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gdaysydney Member 
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Hi Pete use the "quote" as normal and then select and copy all of the quote and paste as many times as you require. Once that is done simply delete the text in the quote that is not required. ____________________ Dave Notmutley British OO outline, DCC - NCE PowerPro, Sound chips, Computer Control- RR&Co software |
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Petermac Admin 
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As easy as that  And there was me thinking I was missing out on some amazing new thingie to do with word processing.I remember when electricity first came in, I couldn't understand why they didn't have to fill the bulbs with paraffin every night and trim the wicks in the morning .........  ____________________ 'Petermac |
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Wayne Williams Member 
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Dave, Just a suggestion here. If you are concerned about the tracks aligning up when you raise and lower the upper level, you might want to put in a couple of 45 degree braces in it, to try and keep it from moving left or right. I know every time I build anything rectangular it doesn't take much effort to push it out of square. Wayne ____________________ My Layout "The South Shore Line": http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=509&forum_id=21 |
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Petermac Admin
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That's a good idea Wayne - easy to do too. When I build anything rectangular, I build it out of square so the bumps correct it .....................  ____________________ 'Petermac |
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John Dew Full Member 
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gdaysydney wrote: So if I agree to stop suggesting you get sound for your Pannier will you promise not to tempt me with a loco exchange - for the next 4-5 months  Does that mean you dont want to see my automated Goods Yard shunting sequence then? ____________________ John Granby III Lenz DCC,RR&Co Gold V9 B4 Windows 10 |
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Wayne Williams wrote: Dave, Thanks Wayne, that's a good idea.  I will have to make them relatively small across the corners as I need clear space underneath the upper board for point motors - I am already facing issues with the location of the points as no matter how I design the upper track layout there always seems to be one point where the point motor is immediately over a supporting timber frame  ____________________ Dave Notmutley British OO outline, DCC - NCE PowerPro, Sound chips, Computer Control- RR&Co software |
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Oh I have such little will power !!  OK all bets off - I wanna see your automated sequence ! ____________________ Dave Notmutley British OO outline, DCC - NCE PowerPro, Sound chips, Computer Control- RR&Co software |
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Wayne Williams Member
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Dave, Size isn't too important, but bigger is always better, just put them in as manny corners as you can. Keep in mind, they don't have to be within the framework, they can be on the bottom of it too, works just as well. maybe that will help with your point motors. I don't use them so your on your own there. Wayne ____________________ My Layout "The South Shore Line": http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=509&forum_id=21 |
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Wayne Williams wrote: Dave, Wayne Thanks for the advice - I will certainly take heed before I commence the wiring and track laying etc on the upper level. I have now started the track laying and wiring in earnest and have also commenced programming RR&Co This is the first schematic of the layout : as the layout is under construction now is the time for any suggestions  ____________________ Dave Notmutley British OO outline, DCC - NCE PowerPro, Sound chips, Computer Control- RR&Co software |
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gdaysydney wrote
. . . model US outline?  Seriously. It looks like you'll get a fun layout from that, Dave. ____________________ Max Port Elderley |
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Well not seriously but you do seem to be having fun finding good locos at reasonable prices and fixing them up
Lets hope so Max - I have tried very hard not to fall into the trap of having too much track and yet allowing me to take full advantage of RR&Co potential - especially having watched Petes, John's and your efforts in mastering auto shunting etc ____________________ Dave Notmutley British OO outline, DCC - NCE PowerPro, Sound chips, Computer Control- RR&Co software |
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I'll be watching that, Dave. Tim's Axe is soon to fall on my RR&Co shelf layout. I think I've come to grips with TC and next I'm going for a more complicated one. ____________________ Max Port Elderley |
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John Dew Full Member
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Hi Dave Some comments.........based to some degree on "I wish I had done that".............hindsight is a wonderful thing [1] Is it possible to run a two branch head shunt siding back off at least one of the two bays.......the top one perhaps? You will find that invaluable for loco exchanges because the relief loco sits in the short spur.....moves forward couples with the recently arrived train pulls it back into the second longer spur allowing the incoming loco to be released ...........this is quite prototypical for steam but more to the point easy to achieve with TC and it means while this shunting is taking place other trains can do roundy roundy on the main lines. You will find you cant have too many relief spurs...........to accomodate all the panniers  (I am assuming you havent finished the blocks on the main line and terminus?) [2] I do like the way you have set up all the crossovers at the terminus.......simple but effective....each road is muti directional ..................is it possible to do something similar for the fiddle yard exits? ...........without them you may have some operational limitations. [3] I like the 4 spurs you have at each corner of the fiddle yard........"I wish I had done that"............if you could move them up to be opposite line 3 they will be able to serve lines 1 2 and 3..............as currently set up they can only serve line 1 [4] What are the switches for at end of each fiddle yard line? Hope that is of some use..................I am sure there are all manner of practical considerations that make all or some of them impossible.......................they just reflect my thoughts based on operating TC on Granby Kind Regards ____________________ John Granby III Lenz DCC,RR&Co Gold V9 B4 Windows 10 |
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gdaysydney Member
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John Thanks as always for your feedback John Dew wrote:
Good suggestion, I should be able to fit at least one in off the top bay and maybe on the bottom bay if I have the room. and yes you are correct in that I haven't finished setting up the bocks anywhere on the layout as yet ! ( reference to Panniers noted ) John Dew wrote:
I'll give it another look - there are space limitations on the fiddle yard level and whilst the schematic shows straight lengths entering the fiddle yard in reality there are curves at both ends John Dew wrote:
yes I see what you mean - my problem is again lack of space - I could do it on the up line fiddle yard although it would make the fiddle yard wider and hence further under the top level which I am trying to avoid ( even though the top is hinged). John Dew wrote:
I will be using RR&Co for automated and manual running - In Not North Road I found it easier to use switches rather than the points themselves to manually control the points. Easier in that the button is a better target for the mouse pointer and also from a visual perspective. - I have a uniform approach which means that if all the switches are showing say ''on" then I immediately know which way the switches are set - this combined with the signals means less accidents when I'm in control  Thanks again ____________________ Dave Notmutley British OO outline, DCC - NCE PowerPro, Sound chips, Computer Control- RR&Co software |
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John Dew Full Member
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Glad it was of some use Dave I kind of guessed there may be some space limitations in the fiddle yard......I am assuming most trains are going to be of the roundy roundy nature? If fiddle yard visibilty/access is difficult you will, of course, still be able to run your loco runaround or loco exchanges from terminus to branch....................I didnt spot that yesterday Thats a neat idea with switches for the points......makes a lot of sense ____________________ John Granby III Lenz DCC,RR&Co Gold V9 B4 Windows 10 |
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Its been more than a month since I posted an update on how Notmutley is progressing. I had just finished laying the track that completes one of the two main lines on the upper level when the Blue Pullam was delivered - I thought this would be a good excuse for a photo...  I have now completed enough track to allow a loco to run the complete length of the layout from the fiddle yard to the upper deck and then continuing around back to the upper deck ( which will the main station area). For those of you into the block detection I resolved the problem with team digital BlocD8's and RR&Co which now gives me an extra 24 block detectors (with all 3 BLOC D8's working) in addition to my NCE block detectors. The wiring is getting more complex as I progress as I have decided to place detectors on all the points - this is a snapshot underneath the area that holds the fiddle yard and the top main station...  as you can see there is still a lot of wiring to do  ____________________ Dave Notmutley British OO outline, DCC - NCE PowerPro, Sound chips, Computer Control- RR&Co software |
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DCC - just two wires. ____________________ Max Port Elderley |
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Petermac Admin
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Yes, if necessary Max - red ones and black ones .................. I hope you know where all those wires go Dave ...... The Blue Pullman looks good - does it run as well as it looks ? ____________________ 'Petermac |
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For those of you into the block detection I resolved the problem with team digital BlocD8's and RR&Co which now gives me an extra 24 block detectors (with all 3 BLOC D8's working) in addition to my NCE block detectors. Hi Dave It must be a huge plus building a new layout having already worked with RR&Co. I have spent the last week under the storage yard baseboard adjusting the length of blocks that I laid out before the software.......all too often my pre conceived ideas failed to work in practice .......incidentally your wiring is much much neater than mineBrilliant idea to use detectors for the points.......is this for occupancy or to track actual blade movement? Its probably a bit late to mention this now and I am not sure to what extent you have used Flagmen as second indicators in blocks........for loco exchanges or even a loco coupling with a rake of coaches that draw current...............I use them a lot and they have actually released contact indicators in some sidings I have............the only requirement is to have a reliable reference point close to the entrance . PS Knew it wouldnt be long before you posted a shot of the Pullmans.........they do look splendid Kind Regards from a wet Vancouver PPS Welcome back Peter......the forum has been quiet without you! ____________________ John Granby III Lenz DCC,RR&Co Gold V9 B4 Windows 10 |
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Thanks for the "Hello again" John - from what I still have to read, I'm not sure the forum has been all that quiet !! Maybe less in the way of "silly" posts and more "useful" ones whilst I've been away on what turned out to be a very difficult trip for me, but I won't go into that here. ____________________ 'Petermac |
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