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 Posted: Wed Jan 18th, 2012 07:34 am
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Having had a lull in my modelling over recent months, I thought it time that I posted a few pics of the current state of the layout and got back into progressing it.

I have made a few acquisitions over the festive period, so these photos feature a couple of them.

Firstly a shot of Deltic pulling the Talisman out of the southern tunnel up the bank on its approach towards Man-garth junction:-




Signalling is all functioning, but I do need to get around to finishing the scenery detail along this bank!

At the far end of the bank, Deltic enters the northern tunnel with the signal turning to red as it is passed by the front of the train:-



Meanwhile, A4, Sir Ronald Matthews with a stopping service is cleared at the southern gantry to enter platform 2 in Man-garth junction:-




Finally at the end of the climb, Deltic passes under the same gantry, this time on the fast line, before also entering Man-garth junction at platform 3:-




Looking back at the approaching train from the junction platforms:-




and then a shot of the train entering what will, one day, be Man-garth junction station:-




Deltic is hauling the Talisman going North and is non-stop at Man-garth, so passes straight through on its onward journey:-




Later, at the northern end of the station, A4, Sir Ronald Matthews, departs and passes B1, Sir Harold Mitchell with an all Thompson set arriving from the North. Meanwhile, 42073 approaches the junction along the branch from Man-garth Tor:-




Finally we have a shot of Deltic passing through the countryside at three bridges:-



Hopefully I will find some more time to work on the layout soon and get on with both the junction station and a host of detailing required around the layout.

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Great to re-visit Mangarth Geoff.

Perhaps a re-cap on that fantastic signal gantry build would show some of the newer members, and those who haven't seen it in the flesh what an incredible masterpiece of electrical and engineering it is (I have and it's probably the most amazing piece of scale engineering I've seen). :thumbs

Then there's that superb crossover ........................etc. etc.:cheers



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It's nice to Man-garth again, Geoff.  I really like that last shot looking through the tree.  :thumbs



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Happy New Year Geoff!

I assumed you were on an extended golf sabbatical :lol:

Some great shots there......I didnt know you did scenery:lol: The three bridges shot was superb as was the throat with all the pointwork and super ballasting:thumbs

I have mixed feelings about the signal gantry.........I truly admire it and love reading about its detailed operation......but not when I was just about to post an update on Granby's clumsy cosmetic signalling:mrgreen::mrgreen:

Joking apart.......great to here from you.



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Great to see your railway again Geoff.

Its looking good and welcome back.

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Thanks for the kind comments.

I have been adding a little detail to the southern end of the bank shown in the first photo of my first post:-




As a reminder, a few pics to show how this area has developed over the past couple of years:-




Three levels of tracks needing some sort of scenic work to hide the middle layer and smooth the transition between the lower and upper.




Part of the solution was a mix of polystyrene and "grass" paper to make a near vertical embankment.




Made in two removable parts to ensure access.




Then the tunnel end covered with polystyrene and then plaster cloth.




 

And finally here is a repeat of the very first photo with the current level of detail in place:-



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It's getting there Geoff, no doubt about it.



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A summary of the signal gantry construction for anyone interested:-

I used MSE parts which needed to be soldered and assembled in various ways. Firstly we have the spectacle plates:-




These are soldered to an axle and an operating crank:-




then the arm is added:-




Next the balance weight is assembled:-







Several sets of arms and balance weights were required:-




The posts were assembled and a working led "oil" lamp added:-




and the balance weight connected to the arm:-




Here is a view of a completed doll:-




and a two arm doll:-




The dolls fitted to the gantry:-




Small pulleys were made up to route the operating threads from the balance levers to six memory wire "motors" mounted under the gantry leg:-







To add interest, I took some advice and installed colour light signals for the fast lines. The idea being that they had recently been fitted as replacements for original semaphores, which are still in place, less their arms:-




All the signalling is controlled automatically from a combination of the setting of the points ahead and sensors under the tracks determining the presence of other trains:-




In addition, the semaphore memory wire motors are driven through a relay board which ensures that the signals are only operated immediately before a train approaches and are returned to the on state immediately after the train passes:-




This is the junction plan being controlled by the gantry signals:-



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Hi Geoff

I liked the before and after shots of the cutting. There is something very satisfying about seeing one's progress in such a graphic fashion.

The signalling summary is superb and does separate the men from the boys......babes in my case. I think I will wait a day or so before I post my update on Granby's signals:mrgreen::mrgreen:

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A link to the above information on gantry construction has been added to the Forum Index.



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Some people like making hard work for themselves regarding the building of signals but very enjoyable to watch the process .:thumbs



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Geoff,

I wish I had your skill and patience -
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The signal gantry is a superb piece of work which looks stunning on the layout. Before I read your thread i just assumed it was non functional and was amazed to learn that it all works, plus it is automatic. I also like your idea of combining semaphore signals with lights on the one gantry.

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Did a little more work on the gantry detail this afternoon and took a few photos as it got dark. Here are a couple of mood setters:-






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That is one incredible piece of modelling. Awesome.

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We spent Saturday afternoon at Geoff's place and these really are a work of art. His block control is coming on a treat and it was great to see all the progress that has been made.

Thanks Geoff for a fun afternoon..:cool:

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Sorry to have been slow to respond Geoff - I've been "otherwise engaged" but thanks for the recap on the gantry - like Gordon, I've seen it and it's an amazing piece of kit. :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs  Looking at the parts against that scale, I know there's no way I could work with anything so small, no matter how willing the mind was !!!!

I also love the way that cutting has developed and the way you've done it.  The polystyrene formers must make it extremely lightweight and, looking at the neatly cut edges, I presume you've got a hot wire cutter ..............:roll::roll:

Is the retaining wall plasticard and also,  when you use that grassmat, how do you manage the compound curves without the stuff "kinking".  Whenever I've tried it, I've always managed to create some kind of a crease so gave up with it years ago........:cry::cry:     It could be that they've improved the backing since the 1950's (;-)) but you seem to have managed it perfectly.



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Petermac wrote: ...... I presume you've got a hot wire cutter ..............:roll::roll:

Yes - I bought the Woodland Scenics one soon after I started modelling around 7 years ago now. I have a couple of different wire holders which fit the cutter. I would not be without it.


Is the retaining wall plasticard ...... 

No, it is sections of plaster walling from Ten Commandments. It is all precast. If you look closely you can perhaps see the join between some of the supporting columns and the recessed wall. The camera has picked that up, but it is not easy to see from a normal viewing angle. A few climbing "weeds" will cover it up.
......when you use that grassmat, how do you manage the compound curves without the stuff "kinking".  Whenever I've tried it, I've always managed to create some kind of a crease so gave up with it years ago........:cry::cry:     It could be that they've improved the backing since the 1950's (;-)) but you seem to have managed it perfectly.


I don't do anything special. Here is the other end for example:-




Here is a shot of the nearly finished end from a higher angle:-



I have tried to put a hedge row down one of the curves to help to camouflage the steepness of the bank a bit. The short row of hedging at the top is an expensive International Models product. Despite the price, I think I will probably get hold of some more to finish this top edge as it has to be self supporting when the "hillside" is removed for access to the hidden lines underneath.

 

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It has been a while since I updated this thread, but I have been working slowly on the junction station. Mostly just at the design stage. I want an overbridge style station and have some information on Ditton Junction as a possible prototype to base it on. I have decided to work with card and have gathered several Scalescenes resources to help with this. The road bridge has to cross 6 tracks in 4 arches, and the station building will have to sit over one of the arches. Here is a photo reference:-

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/d/ditton_junction/index10.shtml

Hopefully I will progress this in the coming weeks and months and will post updates on here.

In the meantime, I have decided to make some changes at the terminus. This is the first part of the layout I constructed back in 2005 and has survived the major change I made in 2009. The area for this change is the engine shed. It caters only for steam and I only have a small space for it. The current layout of the shed is cumbersome and now will not accomodate my growing collection of steam engines. Here is an overhead view:-




Entry from the terminus which is to the right of this photo is from the slip top right just below the "pug". To reach the turntable and the shed, locos have to travel to the extreme left, then shuttle to the right after a twin point change, to sit just beyond the shed, and then returning to the turntable bottom left, before turning and repeating the cycle in reverse, or entering the shed.

There is only room for one loco in each shed road, so that is limited, and the coaling area in the top right corner is very small with too much space being given over to the ramp for coal wagons to arrive. In fact I have never driven anything on this ramp anyway!

When I said that this area had not changed since 2005, that was not quite true. The turntable used to be a Peco one on the site of the shed, and the shed used to be a Metcalfe one on the site of the table.

I now plan to move everything except the entry road position and the turntable, something like this:-




I really like the look of the Townstreet Coaling Tower, and although the area I have is much smaller than would have been on the prototype, there were many in use on the East Coast line including Grantham. The revised layout will mean that locos could enter and go directly to the table, turn and immediately leave again, stopping for ashing and coaling if necessary on their way.

The shed roads are long enough for three locos each - one in the shed itself and two outside. That gives me space for 9 locos parked up. The top road off the table can give access to the sand dryer and perhaps allow for an oil tank.

If I re-use the 3way point in the current layout, I can easily provide a short run for the coal wagons as well as a possible addition of a couple of engineer's sidings running onto extensions of the board alongside the main line - bottom right.

I am restricted to this small area in the corner of the room as I need to leave access for a built in wardrobe in the left hand wall, just seen here:-


 

So it remains to be seen what I will progress first. Will it be the junction station over the other side of the room, or will it be rebuilding the terminus shed area??

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Go for the Engine Shed first Geoff..............then I can learn from your experience!

I have exactly the same problem trying to shoe horn an authentic looking operation into too small a space. I suspect most modellers bring this on themselves by treating the TT and shed as a useful corner filler (I am afraid I am guilty) and I dont think that always happened on the prototype.......although I guess the CLC Brunswick shed at Liverpool definitely fell into that category.

Like you I am beginning to think my coaling stage must go off scene.....which is a shame because it is the only survivor from Granby II .......but like you I never ran a wagon up the ramp.

I do think your revised layout is a great improvement and I look forward to seeing it take place

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