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 Posted: Sun Sep 20th, 2009 04:31 am
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This is turning into a brilliant thread Rick - it already was but it's getting better and better by the post - comparing your first posts with these later ones shows just how an apparently disorderly corner can turn into something quite remarkable is a joy to behold.

The way you've described it all stage by stage,  using your hand to give everything some scale rather than  just "small pieces" is extremely well thought out and informative.  If it was easy to take out posts such as this, leaving just your "manual" it would probably be saleable !!

Thanks Rick. :thumbs:thumbs



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One of the first threads I turn to on this forum.
Great work.



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The rock looks spot-on :thumbs

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Thanks everyone for your support and comments.

We have had a couple of weeks of uncommonly rough and wet weather which has meant working outside has been at best unattractive lately.

There is no new technique in here, just a bit of an update on the continuing installation of the marram grass and hedgerows.

The front gangway door of the sprinter has also had a dry-brush of dirt added since it was last seen.





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The steady growth of marram grass and other vegetation goes on and is quite a time-consuming process.

Here is today's view of the rocky end showing that lots more grass has gone in and so have some patches of plaster on the cliffs to cover a few gaps and joins.



Currently I have three different shades of Woodland Scenics Field Grass in use which I believe is the full range. I intend to complete the grassing before I come along with the small scissors and trim it a little to a more even length.

In the middle of the picture the growth on the cliff face is a mix of Fine Leaf Foliage in four different colours and, beyond that, the Lichen referred to above. There is also a small patch of fine turf which was as much an experiment as anything.

And a view the other way shows that the beach is becoming more popular with the locals. It is almost all sanded now though I still don't like the colour and coarseness of the sand in use. I have located a source of fine whiter sand formed from granite, which is much closer to the Cornish beach colour than this local shell-sand, but it is two hours drive away and will have to wait until at least the end of the month if I am then fit and able to drive to the area concerned.

More grass has also gone into this area though there is room for plenty more; the patches of yellow paint still showing all need to be grassed and random clumps will be put in other suitable spots.



As mentioned in another thread I may not have as much time as I would wish to actively model over coming weeks but I shall still update here as and when there is something to show.

I am also looking at the various options for doing the water, in particular getting the effect often seen on the back of a decent surf wave of white lacing behind the crest.

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Rick, this is coming along nicely. I think those tall grasses fit in quite well. Just for your info Woodland Scenics makes four different field grasses, Natural Straw, Harvest Gold, Light Green, and Medium Green.
Looking at your pictures I'm going to guess you don't have the harvest Gold, but pictures are fickly when color is concerned, so you will have to figure that out.

I'm not far from adding those grasses to my layout either. I am going to place them around the tracks. Very time consuming you say? Oh well, that's all I've got is time. :lol:

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I seem to have three different shades of green. Definitely no straw. Light and medium as you say Wayne but the newest purchase which is also "Medium green" is a rather different shade to the earlier one of the same name.

In this case I'm not at all bothered as the variation looks good to my eyes. I once had a bad mismatch of colours when I was ballasting. Woodland's Medium Buff has been consistent apart from one jar which was much more like a cream colour and still stands out a little.

The time is consumed because I am talking a large area here and only a tiny clump of grass at a time.

I also find it isn't possible to satisfactorily glue one clump right next to another if just using spots of glue. Spotting the next glue has the effect of the glue around the nozzle sticking to the newly-placed grass and pulling it back out.

There are two alternatives and I am using both. Either glue up a larger area then quickly cut and place lots of clumps before the glue goes off, or do one here, one somewhere else and come back later to fill in the gaps.

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I just love this layout Rick, always more things are spotted each and every time i look at it. Great work.

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Must agree with Phill here. It really is coming along very nicely with some quite original touches. A treat for the eyes.



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Coming along nicely! Love the last pic of the sprinter and the greenery looks so real. Any idea about the waves? The only one that sticks in my mind was RJR's silicone methord. Look forward to the next installment. ;-)

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The rocky headland is nearing completion. I have slowly been adding more moulded pieces as described previously and filling in the gaps. Some castings have deliberately been cut or broken into pieces to fit and even the crumbled "scrap" has been used as it can be gathered up and pressed into cracks and gaps where the glue oozes out after fitting larger pieces.

For today's session I used a selection of Woodland Scenics paints, a little plaster to fill a few cracks and gaps, a small house-painting brush and the tray from a fine leaf foliage pack as a mixing palette. The plaster is mixed in an old cup.


Here is the top of the rock face where the lift-off board forms a join. The greenery is on the lift off and is not stuck to the cliff face at all. Here we see the effect with the last of the cast pieces stuck in position. Some of these have grey spots; I made up one cast with some medium grey Peco ballast included in the plaster to see how it worked. It gives a slightly rougher effect which may end up looking better than just moulded plaster alone but once painted the stone pieces will be hard to see.


This plaster is a half-half blend of Hydrocal and the Mold-a-Scene product made up exactly as the pack directs. I then take some on the mixing stick. Any piece of scrap wood will do but I find it helps to have a flat surface rather than just a thin stick.....


.....and place it where required.


This is then worked into the gaps and cracks with fingers. If the plaster sticks to your fingers then wet them and try again. As we are creating rocks there is no need to get this perfectly smooth but the product can be worked down to give a very smooth surface if required.


Here is the final effect being dusted off with the dry paintbrush.


When the plaster is dry prepare the paint. I am using four colours here; Earth Undercoat, Raw Umber, Burnt Umber and Slate Grey in the rough proportion of 2:1:1:1


The colours are roughly mixed with the brush. Over-mixing will give a single colour which is not what I want. This is all the mixing I do.


The paint is then blobbed onto the rock face rather than worked. The more it is worked the more it will tend to mix into one single colour.


The end result, with the paint still wet, showing that it is not all one shade of brown - grey but has taken on a mottled effect. Detail can be added later as required.


Finally I have not been neglecting the beach section either. The grass is taking a long time to place clump by clump but is steadily getting there.
Remember this shot taken just seven weeks ago?

Here is what it looks like today. Mr. Beach Ball in the lower image is standing in the position which is dead-centre of the upper image, exactly where the sandy path is at its narrowest point there.

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Fascinating, thanks Rick.



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 That rock face looks pretty convincing Rick, nice one :thumbs



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Super work Rick, and some very handy tips as well.  :doublethumb

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I must congratulate you not only on the end result Rick, but also on the easy to follow, photo supported "how to" method you use to show your progress. :cheers

Excellent stuff and the final "surf beach" will be quite something. Many thanks - even I could attempt it. :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs



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Excellent work, Rick. A well convincing rock face and a superb "How to" that less experienced members can follow. Thanks for taking the time to post this, I hope it inspires others to give the forum such detailed guidance.

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Brilliant 'How To' Rick so it's straight into the Forum Index with it. Cheers.



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Thanks for detailing this out for us novices Rick. I need all the help I can get!

I liked the rock even before you dabbed in the filler material. I think it would have been great just like that.

That join between the cliff face and the greenery looks pretty good too. I will aspire to do the same with mine!

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Gwent Rail wrote:less experienced members
Wayne Williams wrote:us novices

Gents (including those not quoted) thank you for your valued comments. I still think of myself as the less experienced beginner here as this is still the first layout and apart from a smaller area of rocks at the other end of the beach this is very much a "first" for me as well.

We are in the company of some life-long modellers who exhibit their work so just as Wayne aspires I hope one day to be able to reach those levels.

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