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 Posted: Thu Mar 19th, 2009 05:47 am
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Progress so far:-  Following the purchase of a new USB hub card for my computer, I can now download the MOV files from my JVC (in case anyone's forgotten) camcorder on to my Desktop.

I can import them into my Prism Video Converter.  I can play them in the Prism Video Converter.  I can convert them in my PVC to .avi .mpg .3gp .mp4 .mov .flv and into .wmv & .asf.

These last two will actually capture into Moviemaker, but they are badly pixellated and the sound has suffered phase shift.  I bought Ulead editing software, but it is so perverse that I can't figure out how to capture the .wmv & .asf, to see if it handles them any better than Moviemaker.

This is like Sol's conversion to DCC, except that I'm still under A$1000 wasted on the exercise so far, where he has wasted more than ten times that much.  If anyone would like to see the videos I have made, please come to my home and watch them on the PVC.  I'm close to taking a HMR and SMSHNG the JVC to BTS!

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 Posted: Thu Mar 19th, 2009 08:06 am
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That's right - use me an a scape goat as a comparison for your overboard expenses & desires!
Not that I have spent ten times that amount but it does seem like it ( probably 4.5 times the amount but who is counting) - where is that clockwork loco gone now?

Now look Max, keep at it- you will get it sorted one day.

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Max have you tried this one?

http://www.cocoonsoftware.com/

Quick Media Converter. Totally free, no trial period, converts MOV files.

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 Make sure you get the latest version 3.6.5 if you decide to download.

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Max if you are using the video converter to get the video on to your pc the best format would be avi. I have never used the video converter myself so im just guessing that someware in the software will be a render function. This ties all the video and audio signals together. When you have your rendered AVI file done you should then be able to edit it. With the ulead software, open the video editor click edit then file. On the drop down select inport media to library/insert video. The clip will then appear in the boxes at the top right. Drag and drop onto the timeline then edit. ;-)

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Hi Dave.  I'm not using the converter to get the files on to my computer.  I can drag and drop them from the camera hard drive on to my Desktop.  Then I use the converter to convert them from .mov to .wmv or .asf which are the only formats Moviemaker will accept - but the file has been damaged in the process, reducing the quality of picture and sound.  I can't capture anything with Ulead except images from my Skype camera, at this stage.  I'll try your instructions for Ulead tonight.  Thank you.

Hi Mike.  I'll keep your link and I'll have a go at it tonight.  Cheers Max



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And the challis from the palace has the brew that is true.



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I could represent Australia in the dumbness competitions, sparky . . .  challis from the palace?



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sparky wrote: And the challis from the palace has the brew that is true.

From the Danny Kaye Movie - The Court Jester

http://familiesinzion.com/movies/court_jester.htm

which of course is a comedy so perhaps Sparky reads comedy in your  thread Max:exclam

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Still don't see the connection, Sol, but I digress . . .

Just had a quick go at your instructions, Brian.  Thanks.  The Ulead can't import the .avi file from the converter (from the My Videos folder).  The Prism people have been helpful with my earlier probs, so I'll email them and run it past them.

In the meantime, I'll give Mike's converter a go.  Cheers



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well i have to turn it into comedy ,me and instruction manuals just dont get on.i have bought the latest zippy dee doodah dvd recorder ,one day i might succeed in recording something.Its written in english captain but not as we know it.



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Just as a matter of interest, Dave, is your camcorder one with a hard drive?  If so, does it make .avi files straight off?  Maybe I should trade mine in for one like yours.  It's a pity, though, as it makes great images.



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MikeC wrote: Max have you tried this one?

http://www.cocoonsoftware.com/

Quick Media Converter. Totally free, no trial period, converts MOV files.

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 Make sure you get the latest version 3.6.5 if you decide to download.

Hi Mike.  The AVS couldn't even see the camcorder files.  Cheers  Max



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Max my camcorder is an old samsung video8 !! The best results I got was with my dads JVC. Its just a standard DV tape model but it interfaces well with the PC via the firewire. I have a version of pinnical studio 9 that came with my usb capture device. When using the JVC camera with the pinical software I can control the functions of the camera from the PC. Once I have all the footage I just load it into ulead for editing. I was thinking of getting a new camcorder but after all the problems you are having I might look out for a secondhand JVC DV camera! ;-)

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Thanks Dave.  I thought it must be a different format from hard drive.  I can't believe that with all the thousands of camcorders sold around the world, that everyone is having the same problem.  I have tried many user group/ help sites without any success.  The little memory card type camera converts straight on to Ulead and MovieMaker, it's just that the picture quality isn't good.:cry:



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Dave has been helping me with this via PMs. I have changed the Encoder options on the video settings block. DV Encode PAL (Diect Show) and DV Encode NTSC (Direct Show)will convert the files now up to about 90% quality. The birds video was direct to Youtube off the camera, so the picture quality is excellent, but I want to be able to edit, so I'll have to accept 90%. It's the best result I have been able to get so far. Thanks to Dave and others for your interest and support. Cheers Max



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For those who have been following this thread, my most recent effort is also posted in the "Fitting Loksound Decoders" thread.  As the JVC format (.mov) isn't compatible with the editing software, it needs to be converted.  I have found that the Prism works OK, but there is an unavoidable loss of about 5% picture and sound quality in the process.  None of others I have tried have been able to avoid it, either.

If you look at it, you may want to EQ your sound player bottom ends up a bit - and make sure you click on the HQ (high quality) picture button.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6nA5kgvgpg

Thanks to everyone who has helped - particularly Dave who has had to cope with the many PMs.

I will be interested to hear your comments - good and bad - as to whether it's worth the extra effort to use a hard drive camcorder or not.



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Max, the vidoe of the consists looks good enough to me but then I really don't know what pain you've had to go through to get it to that stage.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that, when you buy a "personmal" video camera, the very least you should expect is that it should work with what people use to publish videos - the like of photobucket etc. etc. - without having to learn the ins and outs of who's camera works with what programme.

Your experiences have really put me off buying JVC although I had always thought them to be both popular and high quality.

If you were dealing with high-end broadcast type stuff, I could imagine there could be problems but with domestic equipment, it's just not acceptable !!!!  Afterall, most of us simply want to take and share videos, not become lab technicians !!!



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Excellent video Max. Whatever you did, it works! well worth the effort.
Love those Geeps.

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A great video Max and an excellent advert for fitting sound.

I am adding to this post because I have had another look at the video and now have a complaint to make. As I watch the train moving through different sections of the layout I can't help feeling that we are being deprived of some excellent still shots of the various sections. Time and inclination allowing any chance of rectifying this Max?



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WELL DONE !!!  :thumbs

 

Quality spot on just need to get you sorted with the ulead program now. Unlike my camera yours stayed in focus during the difficult tracking shots and in places I couldn't tell if it was real or a model! I agree with Robert more stills please. As you have used moviemaker you can just grab the pics from the video. Just a couple of pointers stick with basic crossfades between clips and keep the text across the bottom of the screen so as not to blank out the picture. This is how the pro's would do it and makes a big diffrence to the finished film. Once you are fimilar with ulead you will be able to edit and then create your own DVDs complete with titles, chapters, etc. If you need any more help im only a PM away! ;-)

 

 

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