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 Posted: Mon Jan 19th, 2009 06:55 am
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I posted this photo in my workbench thread :-

A few members asked about the fencing, so here's my reply. I'll try to take some better photos of the fencing when I next go to the club and also take some acurate measurements.


OK, the fence posts   ...   simple really :-
First make lots of posts.
Take a length of P4 scale rail. (this makes an ideal profile, but I suppose code 75, 85 or 100 could be used) Round off one end slightly with a file. Drill two very small holes at your desired spacings from the end (in the side of the rail) and then snip the bottom off slightly longer than you want the "post" to be. Repeat the required number of times. I had a piece of wood marked off at appropriate distances as a guide for the two holes and the cut-off, but it would be easy to make a simple jig.

Next plant the posts
Use a drill just big enough to take the "posts" to drill along the line you want the posts to take. Work out an appropriate spacing to suit the space you are filling and try not to drill your holes too deep. Set the posts in the holes using Araldite or a simular sort of epoxy glue. Allow to dry and completely set until the fixing is rock solid. Paint the reqired colour, I usually paint them matt black, and allow to dry

String the wires / fence rails
Using the green covered, stiff wire that you can get in most garden centres, variously described as "greenhouse wire" or "plant support wire" proceed to thread through the holes from the beginning of a section to the end, leaving the wire loose in the holes. 

Secure the wire
Use a small dab of solder to secure the end of the wire to the first post. Pull the wire tight (now you can see why the posts need to be solid) and secure the wire at intervals along the "fence" with a tiny dab of solder on the bottom of the hole. Very often you will find that no further touch-up is required, but occasionally you may want to touch up any heat damage that has occured to the paint and/or green wire.

Using the P4 rails and the stiff garden wire does give the look of a more substantial type of fence than the "wire through posts" type and looks more like the type that used to be seen where there were small diameter pipes threaded through the uprights. That's the look we wanted on Belle View and is probably more appropriate for a 50's - 60's station scene. If you want the exact spacings for the holes and the exact length of the posts, I could measure them, but there is some variation on a few different places on the layout and even one place where the fence is higher and three "bars" have been fitted.

PS. (Added one week later) I've measured the fencing on the layout and found that I've used the following measurements :- 

 Three Pipe Fencing
24mm overall height
5mm to plant in ground
6mm to first "pipe"
5mm to second
5mm to third
3mm above third pipe.

Two Pipe Fencing
19mm overall height
5mm to plant
6mm to first pipe
5mm to second pipe
3mm above second pipe. 

These are, of course, only a guide to help you decide how you want yours to look.




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Thanks Jeff. I'll get to linking it now.

OK done that.



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 Posted: Mon Jan 19th, 2009 05:17 pm
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Looks good .Thanks jeff:hmm



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 Posted: Mon Jan 19th, 2009 06:49 pm
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Thanks Jeff, I need some fence just like that.  Cheers for the tip.:thumbs



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Thanks from here also.  I have been trying without too much success to use the Ration fencing which looks similar. 

That version has plastic posts and nylon wire which is a b****r to stick to the posts; MEK doesn't hold and thick Humbrol-type cement makes blobs which are far too big.

I might have a use for some scrap rail now.

The fencing I have in mind is similar but has full-height posts at wider intervals and tie-bars across alternately the top two and bottom two of three wires.  I had thought perhaps fuse wire might do the job.

 

 

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Brilliant, Jeff - and simplicity itself:exclam I'm already eyeing that box of old track I bought on eBay two years ago .... :thumbs



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To update the information, I measured the posts on Belle View Layout last night, the results are as follows :-

Three Pipe Fencing
24mm overall height
5mm to plant in ground
6mm to first "pipe"
5mm to second
5mm to third
3mm above third pipe.

Two Pipe Fencing
19mm overall height
5mm to plant
6mm to first pipe
5mm to second pipe
3mm above second pipe. 

Hope this is of help to anyone wanting to make some of this type of fencing.

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Great idea just the job!
I have seen these fences all over, and not just close to railway installations.
Some use "narrow gauge" rail instances can be seen on the "Cromford canal" Derbishire.

The cables for these fences  in mining areas were made from the pit head cables that lowered the cage down  the mine shaft and were realy heavy duty.:thumbs



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Nice job, Jeff. Thanks for the tip!

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I'm intending to use some fencing like this on my layout and had been wondering about the best way to do it. You've saved me a lot of time and experimentation.

Cheers, Jeff! :doublethumb

Perry



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