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 Posted: Thu Jul 10th, 2008 02:21 pm
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A question for N gauge users

Being new to this gauge obviously i am comming across things which are really newbie questions but i am not sure so i will ask.

Are Graham Farish and peco the same coupling types if they are will the uncoupler in the link below work with the code 55 track and graham farish and peco wagons

http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/product/16875/SL330_Peco_Streamline_Decoupler

cheers Brian.W

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 Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 01:41 am
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Brian,

The couplings are both compatible with the only difference being Graham Farish are sprung and Peco are not.

The uncoupler should work on both types and there is also the electro-magnetic type, although you will need to fit the small fret to the coupling to make this work and I believe remove the springs from the Graham Farish type.

http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/product/22117/PL25_Peco_Lectrics_ElectroMagnetic_Uncoupler

http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/product/22118/NR103_Peco_N_Gauge_Coupling_Lift_Arms

Personally I have always found coupling and uncoupling the biggest problem in N gauge which is why I went for a long continuous run layout, so I would be interested to see what others with N gauge do coupling wise.

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HP, I'm currently just using the existing couplings that come with the models and decoupling with shunters pole made from wire and weilded by a 1:1 scale shunter :) .

I too have read that it is better to remove the springs out of the farish couplers if you plan to use the magnetic decoupling devices and that you need to add a metal strip to the coupling.
Peco do a pack of strips designed to be added and workable with their magnets.

There are several other types of uncouplers available mainly through small home/business producers but I've never tried any of them.
MBM couplings are available from the N gauge society.
All that I have read of require assembly and "tweaking" similiar to the 00 ones you are trying at the moment HP.

The obvious alternative being those offered by microtrains. A similar product to the kadee range.

I plan, in the distant future, to try the Peco coupler lift arms and electromagnets as one member of the N gauge society wrote an article claiming that he had acheived reasonable success with them when shunting.



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Thanks for the replies

As this is a test project for me i intend to just use the manual uncouplers rather than the electric ones so as you all say they are compatable hopefully i should not get any problems with them.

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Brian,
       I have been slowly changing my stock over to the MBM couplings which I've found very reliable and fairly easy to fit.They uncouple over a simple magnet which pulls down the droppers on the coupling and then you pull away.
       HOWEVER....I've just been to Shipley MRC's exhibition and seen what I now believe to be a better system.DG couplings.They are really unobtrusive looking,and on the Bodmin layout,they worked like a dream.They operate using electro magnets on a 12v DC supply.They sell jigs to help assemble them and they come in packs of 16.(£2.50 a packet).Wizard models supply them if you're interested.I think on a layout where your prime aim is shunting,you will need the best and most reliable you can get,which ever make you decide on.
       I will be getting some from the Manchester show in a fortnight to try them,but you can get them off the website.

Cheers,John.B.

P.S. If you decide on MBMs,don't order any,just e-mail me and I'll send you some freebies to try.


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Photos as well as a description please John... oh... and a video :twisted::twisted::twisted:

Seriously though, I'm keen to hear what you think of the DG's.

The Newcastle Emlyn layout is designed to be an operators layout so reliable coupling is a thing that I hope to acheive.

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Bodmin layout?

Sorry John, but you cannot just casually drop something like that in and expect to get away with it!  Where are the pictures!!!

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Nice pickup Chris... :cool:

Come on John... not holding out are you :lol::lol::lol::lol:



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We all eagerly await the Bodmin pictures:lol::lol::lol:

 

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Well......I've landed myself in the sh** now,haven't I???
   Unfortunately no pics.I forgot to charge up my camcorder,and the wife had her mobile phone/camera at a Scouts/Church social event.So I was camera-less!!!
  I went to Shipley specifically to see Bodmin,as I heard it was N gauge,and having been there,I was curious to see it.
  It was the 1st layout on the left as you entered the ground floor,and was STUNNING.I piped up to the operators,"I've come all the way from Hyde to see this layout",to be greeted by peals of laughter.The layout is from Stockport,just down the road from Hyde,and I travelled into Darkest Yorkshire to see it!!!:roll::roll::roll:
  (what a plonker!)
The Shipley MRS boys put on a great show,and I was gutted I didn't get any piccies.The new OO gauge layout,Leicester South GC that replaced Tebay was on show and looked great,although still under construction,some great trains running on it.
   So I humbly apologise,lads.I am making getting a new camera a priority,and next show I visit,I PROMISE loads and loads of piccies!:oops::cry::cry:

Cheers,John.B.
(By the way,apparently Bodmin won the Presidents Cup,and was featured in Septembers' BRM magazine.)

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georgejacksongenius wrote: The layout is from Stockport,just down the road from Hyde,and I travelled into Darkest Yorkshire to see it!!!:roll::roll::roll:
Cheers,John.B.

 

Well........................................ :question :roll:

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John, must admit I have never heard of these MBM couplings, I had a look on the Wizard site but couldn't find them, perhaps you could supply a link (even to an image).  I am gradually swapping over to American knuckle couplers which are more prototypical (though I'm not a prototype modeller, they just look better) and there are a wide variety of  decoupler systems available for them.  I still use the hand of God at the moment tho :oops:

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John,

You don't get off that easily - you will just have to draw the pictures instead :twisted:

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Ken wrote: georgejacksongenius wrote: The layout is from Stockport,just down the road from Hyde,and I travelled into Darkest Yorkshire to see it!!!:roll::roll::roll:
Cheers,John.B.

 

Well........................................ :question :roll:

Ken.


John, on reading back my brief comment I now realise it sounds a bit enigmatic and you - and everyone else! - might have got the wrong impression from it; in essence I was jokingly saying "well, if it's so close how about visiting them and getting the pictures you missed out on; I'm sure we would all love to see them".

I'm really sorry if I inadvertently upset you in any way as it certainly wasn't intended.:oops:

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Ken,
     No worries,mate.I'm a big boy and VERY hard to upset!!:lol::lol::lol:

Chris T,
     Don't think I couldn't draw 'em pal(I spent 3 years on a degree course on Illustration!!!):lol::lol::lol:
     HOWEVER......I do have diagrams and as soon as I scan 'em in,I'll post them..a bit later this afternoon.

Lawrence,
     Watch this space,mate!

Cheers,John.B.

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While you're waiting for diagrams,here's a piccy of them (upside down!) on one of the aerowagons i built.I hadn't fitted the droppers on them that operate them (via the magnet)yet!


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Here's the instruction sheet;(side1)


(side2)

A brass fret of 20 couplings;



And a close-up of the components for one coupling;


The top plate with the 2 rectangular holes is fitted to the base of your vehicle/loco.The 2 prominent flaps with holes in are bent back 90 degrees and hold the 2 lugs of the bottom hooked plate.
The hook is twisted through 90 degrees and a dropper is soldered or glued to the base where the hole is.The joining piece is scrap.
   They're a lot easier to assemble than they are to explain,trust me!!!:lol::lol::lol:
These couplings are great for shunting trucks,but fitting them to bogie stock is a problem due to their length and the space needed for the flap that acts as a counterweight  which brings the coupling back up to level after passing over the magnet.
   So in short....for someone who only wants to shunt a few trucks on a small layout,like HP...I would recommend these.Easy to fit,and operate well over a simple magnet,and unobtrusive in looks.
   I myself still intend to try those DG couplings,even though it means a little bit more wiring!

Cheers,John.B.

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Damn, that's an ugly coupling John, like a miniature Hornby OO. Reckon I'll stick with knuckles thanks ;-)

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I know what you're saying,Lawrence.They're very like an upside-down Hornby job.But they are a lot better than the Farish/Peco ones,both in looks AND performance.
  Its down to personal preference really,everyone has their favourite.Its whatever works best for you.Those DG couplings were the best N gauge ones that I'VE seen.The American stock tends to use the knuckle type,and thats fair enough,AND more prototypical too!

Cheers,John.B.:hmm

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