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My Adams 02 arrived in record time today, but it's going back! No damage done in transit, but the cab roof is scratched, there's a nick in the back edge of the cab roof, the offside running plate is bent and one of the screws in the bunker which needs to come out to fit a speaker and stay alive is so tight that there's no way I can get it out.

I hope Rails return method is as good as Hattons because I think the return postage should be paid for by them.

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That's very disappointing.  Apparently, there have been a number with bent footplates.  Another problem seems to be the pulling power, or lack of, due I think to the model being made entirely of plastic. There is quite a lot about it on the RM Web and Sam of  Sam's Trains on Youtube reviewed a real dud which he bought.  Good luck with the next one.

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That is disappointing Pete and it highlights one of the problems we face buying "overseas".

It used to be easy, although hardly quick, returning stuff to UK from here in France but since that stupid B word, it's fraught with difficulties - and potential additional costs.

How long did it take to get to you ?  Double that and you should have your replacement ..................... :roll:



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Peter, you can blame the EU for that.  Lots of unnecessary paperwork and pointless delays to punish the UK for Brexit.  The head of M&S complained in a newspaper article recently of every lorry consignment of goods requiring 700 pages of documentation.  If one line is printed in the wrong coloured ink, the whole consignment is refused entry to the EU!  Every ham sandwich has to have documentation signed by three vets!  The joke is that UK food standards are the same if not higher than the EU's.  Things should get quite interesting come October when the UK imposes the same importation conditions on all EU goods entering the UK.  
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I don't want to get into any "Leave - Remain" discussions Terry except to say that, since the day we joined the Common Market some 40 odd years ago, I've always considered getting anything or anybody into "Europe" should be incredibly difficult but once in, movement throughout  should be completely unhindered.  In the main, that is currently the case.

Those who voted leave will be happy, those who voted remain will not but then that's what democracy is all about.



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Terry,
I had a look at the rmweb thread and it's certainly a case of bent/warped running plates. Mine seems unique in it's other problems, although someone on there mentioned varying tightness of screws.

Peter,
Mine was here so quick it surprised me. I think it was 5 or 6 working days. Not bad for Sheffield to Oz.



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That is a real shame. After it’s travelled so far and you must have waited a good while. 
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Hi Chris,

Yes it was a disappointment, but that's life. it was here surprisingly quick. Hope the return and replacement are likewise.



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peterm wrote: My Adams 02 arrived in record time today, but it's going back! No damage done in transit, but the cab roof is scratched, there's a nick in the back edge of the cab roof, the offside running plate is bent and one of the screws in the bunker which needs to come out to fit a speaker and stay alive is so tight that there's no way I can get it out.

I hope Rails return method is as good as Hattons because I think the return postage should be paid for by them.

We'll see.
Peter,

That's disappointing, hopefully Rails will look after you. Besides all the physical issues did you get to run it at all?

I'm now worried as I have one en route. Having read about running issues and bent footplates I requested a check before dispatch so hopefully this may raise my odds of success a shade.It also gives some protection in event the check wasn't done properly.

Regarding the stuck screw, this seems to have been an issue of late with overzealous application of Loctite. One thought which sprung to mind was to chill the screw to cause it to contract. Cut of the head off a decent sized nail to give a flat surface. Drive headless nail into a cork and put in deep freezer. When fully cold apply to screw head, The chilling may be enough to crack the seal. BTW it works in reverse for stuck corks, warm the bottle neck under a hot tap and a previously stuck cork comes out easily - old trick! Then use for building the other tool!

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Thanks Colin,

I found a main PO that's open Saturdays so it's gone. Good point about cooling the screw. I used to keep Holden ball joints in the freezer because they were a tight interference fit in suspension arms.

I did give the wheels a spin on a 9 volt battery and it worked. That's all I can say though.

I've enclosed a note asking for the replacement to be checked including the tightness of those bunker screws.

I spotted a screw underneath the front coupling that looks as though it holds the body on, but I couldn't see any others. Maybe someone knows the procedure.



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There is nothing in the printed notes regarding removal of the body.  As the loco has a can motor I think the manufacturer thought access to the inside wasn't necessary.  Lubrication of the gears is via the underneath of the loco.  The DCC decoder is simply fitted by pulling off the smokebox door which is held in place by magnets.  The printed matter states that in order to remove the cab roof for the fitting of a crew or sound speaker, the coal load should be removed using a flat screwdriver.  By this I think they mean that the coal load simply lifts out. This will reveal two screws either side of the bunker top.  Remove these and the cab roof can be removed.
Sam of Sam's trains on Youtube, in his review of this model, said that he had difficulty in removing the body.  In fact he didn't succeed as complete removal was obstructed by the various fittings on the outside of the model, which tends to confirm that the designers thought access to the inside was unnecessary.

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The Youchoos Sound installation guide Example 1 shows the whole thing taken apart. I've no time to look thru but it should be at least a starting point with a follow up call to them if not all is clear perhaps?


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Thanks Gentlemen,

I thought it strange that there was no mention of getting the body off. I remember my Dapol/Kernow Beattie well tank where I had to cut the brake rigging to get at the innards. It had a pickup that wasn't anywhere near the wheel on the pony truck. No way could I fix it with the body on and it needed all the help it could get. But I digress because this one seems to be the same.

If access to the inside is thought unnecessary they must be supremely confident of their motors.  :)

I'll have another look at the YouChoos video.



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Dave Jones Models has many sins to answer for; this is but one of the lesser amongst them!


PS not a video but step by step photos by Youchoos



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Yes, I said video, but meant photo's. :oops:



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peterm wrote: Thanks Colin,

I found a main PO that's open Saturdays so it's gone. Good point about cooling the screw. I used to keep Holden ball joints in the freezer because they were a tight interference fit in suspension arms.

I did give the wheels a spin on a 9 volt battery and it worked. That's all I can say though.

I've enclosed a note asking for the replacement to be checked including the tightness of those bunker screws.

I spotted a screw underneath the front coupling that looks as though it holds the body on, but I couldn't see any others. Maybe someone knows the procedure.

From the instructions which I found on the Kernow site

KMRC O2 Instructions

"BODY REMOVAL
The coal load is removable. Removing this (using a very thin flat screwdriver if required) reveals two screws. Undo these two screws and the cab roof will lift off, allowing access to the cab to insert loco crews or fitting of a speaker for DCC Sound. If you need to remove the rest of the body for any reason, gently lift the body from the coal bunker end to about 45 degrees and the smokebox end will release - BE CAREFUL NOT TO DAMAGE THE INTRICATE PIPEWORK IN THIS AREA - GREAT CARE IS NEEDED."

Interesting that the new instruction set under the EFE release don't include the corresponding info on this topic!

Mine arrived safely today and after an hour's running-in it appears to be a good smooth runner and it lacks any of the various physical failings you and others have reported. It has yet to pull any stock but hopefully my modest branchline cofiguration will not trouble it unduly.



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Thanks Coln, that's a great help. Glad to hear  your's is a goodun.



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peterm wrote: Thanks Coln, that's a great help. Glad to hear yours is a goodun.
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Absolutely unbelievable!!!! After waiting a long time for the replacement to arrive, it came today. I still can't get both of those bunker screws out! I specifically asked... twice for them to be checked and now I find that the one on the opposite side is stuck fast. Oooh how I wish I lived in England. I'm normally a pretty patient sort of a bloke but this has boiled my blood. I'll phone RoS tonight and let them know my feelings on their staff communication skills.

I'm about to cut a nail and put it through a cork and into the freezer. Maybe I should get in there too. :twisted:

An edit to say neither the cold nail or a light spray of PCB cleaner (cold stuff) worked. But wait there's more. I've just noticed that it only has one con rod!

Enclosed with this replacement is a slip of paper which says "Tested, CM."



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