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 Posted: Thu Sep 2nd, 2021 11:17 am
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I really like Scalescenes models - fun, although time consuming, to build, strong and great for kit bashing or scratch building.

However, for me, they have one big drawback - print fade.

I just use a domestic HP inkjet printer with genuine HP cartridges - my word, aren't they expensive !!

Once printed, on ordinary 80 gsm paper, I usually give them a quick blast of "maximum hold" hairspray (sometimes I forget :oops:) and away I go.

I have installed some retaining walls on the layout and, prior to ballasting, thought I'd make sure by spraying with clear matt varnish.

I now have two-tone retaining walls !

Is there a secret to fully sealing these models ?  It seems to me that any dampness, from whatever source, creeps up the model and ruins an otherwise satisfactory rendering of the kit.................. :cry:



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When I print the sheets I lay them out on a flat surface & give them a quick spray of Acrylic Matt Varnish from a rattle tin. I leave them until the following day before I use them.My layout room is in the basement & has no outside light so maybe I'm lucky that I have had no print fade.

Liquitex have an Archival acrylic matt spray varnish. It would contain a UV filter to prevent fading. These are the products that professional artists use.

Here is a link to the Liquitex product on their site.
https://www.liquitex.com/row/products/professional/gessoes-mediums-varnishes/matte-varnish-spray/

Golden are another company I understand produce products like this.

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I sprayed both sides of the paper with matt varnish from a can once printed.



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Sol wrote: I sprayed both sides of the paper with matt varnish from a can once printed.

I spray the sheets as soon as they come off the printer

I hadnt thought of spraying both sides. Thats a good idea......thank you Ron

I use Krylon Preservative.....Digital Photo and Paper protector. Its not cheap but is very effective. Its important to check that UV protection is on the can. I bought a cheaper alternative once without checking the label!

I still get two tone effects but they result from printing a second or third batch of paper. I tend to use weathering powder on the finished model and that helps disguise any shade variations,



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I use an OKI colour laser printer, no problems with fading, no need to varnish; although toner cartridges may appear expensive, if you work it out on cost per page the end result is much cheaper. Other advantages I've found, I can print to card up to 220gsm but even better I can print backscenes up to 4' (1200cm) long.



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Yes Mike - I'd like a laser printer too but I've got what I've got and, other than with Scalescenes printing, it does what I want, albeit the replacement ink cartridges are a totally stupid price.  Having said that, they make their money from the cartridges, not the printer which cost slightly more than 2 pairs of cartridges (it only takes 2 cartridges).



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Peter, I have always used the generic cartridges from this supplier for all of my Scalescenes' prints. 
https://www.cartridgepeople.com/

I usually give the printed sheets a coat of Testors Dullcote matt varnish, mainly to waterproof them.  I prefer the paint on variety rather than the spray can.  Of course, I don't allow sunlight to fall on the models.

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That's probably fine if you're in UK Terry but delivery would be costly to France .............. :shock:

I bought some generic cartridges for my HP Envy printer and, although they fitted, it wouldn't accept them so I couldn't print.  Clever move on the part of HP - it seems they are able to block the use of non genuine cartridges......... :It's a no no



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This re triggered a thought I had some time ago, while laminating an old family birth certificate passed on to SWMBO to add in to a family history project. You can get matt Finnish laminating pouches and I wondered if/ how these would work out on scalescenes printed pages  


Not sure whether you would cut the sheet up first and then laminate the pieces or laminate then cut. I know this would leave exposed edges though, that would then need sealed. And no idea how easy to then glue the resulting pieces ? 

You can get pouches in different thicknesses as well, possibly negating the need to stick to card in certain cases ?


Maybe worth an experiment   :hmm



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Everything I've done in Scalescenes I just get printed at our local office supplies, high / reliable / light-fast quality on the paper of your choice and no worries about printer supplies, colour balance etc. I get various sheets run off at the same time so I always have spares on hand. At $0.70 - $1 depending on paper weight for A4 I think its a bargain.

Finishing is with a Matt Acrylic Varnish, ten or so drops slightly diluted then hand brushed on goes a long way. I guess a can will be equivalent but then is more wasteful of various resources.



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As Colin suggests having the models printed at a local print shop might be the way to go.  You would certainly get better prints than is possible on a home printer.  I have considered this approach myself.  Prints are under 10p a page here locally.  Very economical when compared to the cost of ink cartridges.
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