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 Posted: Mon Jun 7th, 2021 08:53 am
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Windermere, with slight simplification. Grid 6" for N, 12" for 00, 21" for 0. Colours for analogue control sections.



Top to bottom:      <denotes an omitted area which existed in prototype>

<Merchant's yard - four separate roads with individual points along the purple/indigo section of the goods/livestock spur>

Livestock
General goods including 60' shed
Platform 1 (prototype NOT covered for first 60')
Platform 2 (675' with 180' under overall canopy)
Locomotive layover/runround (half under canopy)
Platform 3 (675' with 180' under overall canopy)
Platform 4 (completely open)

<Additional loco/carriage layover>

Locomotive facilities including 72' shed, 48' turntable, coaling, water and ash/inspection pit


Edit (20210608/221130Z): Thanks to Barry for finding a primary source (see below) which revealed that my measuring/estimation wasn't really accurate enough.

52' turntable



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This is nice David.  As a DC user, I appreciate the separation of sections for loco standing, trains waiting etc.  If the light green line beside the turntable is used for holding engines (during summer Saturdays perhaps?), would it be useful to sectionalise it as well?

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Barry,

The light green is platform 4.... unfortunately I haven't worked out how to add buildings to AnyRail plans yet. :oops:

There *was* a carriage/locomotive siding alongside that, but I omitted it to make the plan less cluttered. The only turntable template I could find was the Ransome & Rapier 70 foot that Peco do, whereas the prototype was only 48'. If that feature shrank to the correct size, the extra road would squeeze in SW of the platform and require an extra point to be inserted in the loco road (brown). There's just room for 600', which is ten Stanier period II/III all-metal coaches.

On a model, that could be broken into up to eight electrically switched 75' lengths. I doubt that there would ever be eight 7P or 8F engines present simultaneously, but your personal modeller's licence may have different conditions stipulated in the small print. Keeping the most northwesterly (station end) point on the central layover set to the curve into platform 2 (even if the platform road is straight) will, of course, effectively isolate an engine or two into there.

PS The triple bridge at the throat was over a road/track, but a water feature would sit just as nicely given the surrounding terrain.
The overall canopy was a lattice 'Euston' style arched and glazed uninterrupted span, with end boards down to ~18' to ~20' clearance.



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Hi David

Buildings can be added into AnyRail either by using those already bundled with the programme or by using the "add surface" tool - click for a corner and left click to finish.  Colours can be set along with transparency - easy when you get the hang of it.  Similarly, you can add a circle of any diameter using the tool in the Insert menu - also useful for squares and oblongs to use as buildings.  The tools allow you to set the box size if you know the dimensions of a proprietary model.  Have a quick look at my "Going Large" thread where the trackplan is drawn in AnyRail - I use all sorts of shapes and colours [Post on August 5th, Pg 12].

I have a similar arrangement of platform ends/central track on my Trinity Square station and chose to use an isolator section beyond the runround turnout.  This avoids the crossover being in conflict.  If the siding is long enough, add two isolators as you suggest - worth it for the cost of a few feet of wire and a couple of switches.

I think I have a couple of books on the Lake District in the "Early Diesels" series; bound to have some Windemere pictures and stuff.  If I can find them, would you like them?  No use to me now that my modelling interests have crossed the Pennines!  PM me.

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Hi David

I have found "The Kendal & Windermere Railway" by Dick Smith published by The Cambrian Railway Society but undated.

It includes a trackplan/signalbox diagram marked "correct 1957 to 1969.

This shows a "facing" crossover beyond the station throat in your plan but no runround facilities in any of the platforms.  The turntable is quoted at 52ft.  The green turnout (top right on your plan) was part of a crossover pair providing a blind siding to protect the sidings from the running lines.  The turntable road had a trap point for the same purpose.  Although your width may prevent showing the sidings either side of the platform area, you will certainly capture the nature of the station if modelled as proposed.

If you want this book, let me know and I will send it (or even deliver it if your East Lancashire location is not too far from me).

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Maybe I need a bigger map or a more accurate ruler? I didn't have the turntable dimensions in print, so I measured and estimated.

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Hi David
That is a very nice terminus plan, something I am working on designing myself, for Ramsgate.  I do have the prototype plan, but I am not sure if I will use it in its entirety, reduce it a little or make my own version.

Just a question about yours, more from an operational point of view than the actual design.  Trains can reach any platform on arrival (assuming they arrive on the track signified by the red point on the righthand side of the plan).  But trains cannot exit to the other line (signified by the green point) from platforms 3 and 4, as far as I can tell.  So what would be the operations for this?  I ask because I am afraid I don't know so much about the workings of a railway line and I might need to implement something similar in my own terminus.

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Michael,

Well spotted! The answer is that there was a return about 200 yards further to the SE (both points trailing in normal line operation) which isn't shown on the plan. When I looked at it, I only saw the facing crossover as access for the goods shed.

Services with five or fewer carriages would have been short enough to escape from platform 3 via the centre road.

A 1912 OS map is available from the National Library of Scotland: https://maps.nls.uk/view/125824107



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Thank you David.  Yes, I can see how the centre road would work for "shorter" trains.  I do not have the luxury of such space, but it does give me some ideas.
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A massive thank you to Barry for his kind donation to my ever-growing library, which arrived today.

The classification system isn't exactly Dewey and the book will be filed under:

Transport/Railway/Prototype/LMS/LNWR/K&W

with the keywords 'timeline', 'infrastructure' and 'operations'.



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That looks brilliant, are you going to add a very large lake?



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It's more likely to be the other way round. I'll build the layout **outside** 24A's meeting venue and appropriate a 130 yard by 12 yard stretch of the Leeds & Liverpool canal.



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6243 wrote: A massive thank you to Barry for his kind donation to my ever-growing library, which arrived today.

The classification system isn't exactly Dewey and the book will be filed under:

Transport/Railway/Prototype/LMS/LNWR/K&W

with the keywords 'timeline', 'infrastructure' and 'operations'.

The generosity of members is,  I think, something rather unique here and it happens quire naturally.  I must say, I am very much looking forward to seeing this layout develop over the coming days, weeks, months   ??!   ;-)

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