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 Posted: Fri Aug 21st, 2020 03:06 pm
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What happened to P.O. wagons in 1948?

First I will tell you what I believe, then ask you to set  me straight! I have tried to get definitive answers by browsing, consulting the dozens of books available to me at Staverton, but sadly this is all I know,

.... all the liveried private owner wagons were given 'PO' numbers on black rectangular painted panels on the left hand side panels.

...they continued in service without being re-sign-written, damaged planks being replaced as necessary with no repainting.

...many ended up being uneconomical to repair, or painted BR freight grey if worth the effort.


Now, I have a number of G.W. and P.O. wagons from Bear's End and an airbrush. I can currently get most of the paint where I want it and only a little on the floor, my shirt front or my fingers so, can anyone guide me in bringing my stock up to 1950 design? Are there transfers available to replicate the black panels? How did the numbering work?

I think I can attack some of the painted P.O. wagons with glass fibre pens and 'T-Cut' to fade and age them, but any further guideance would be gratefully received.

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You might find something here Doug:

https://modelmaster.uk/3-waterslide-rub-down-transfers

Scan down the page here and they are on the right:

https://fox-transfers.co.uk/transfers?model_product=1181&scale=2235&transfer_model_type=2178&transfer_period=2156&transfer_transfer_type=2190

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Thank you for this, Terry, Model Master do the ones I'm looking for, and if I can't find something to spend my RLW tokens on in the other, then something is amiss...

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High Douglas,

PO wagons got numbered in the 3xxxx series, grouping stock had a letter in front of the number. White diagonal stripes on the sides nearest the tipper door end c present. No repairs, often bare wood plank replacements as required. Tare and load lettering to BR standards. I think fitted stock was treated differently to unfitted.

Watched a YouTube video on the S&DJL last night that covered the early 1960's just prior to clisure. Lots of the renumbered wagons.On

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Doug,
'The Acquired Wagons of British Railways, Vol. 1' by David Larkin covers the subject of Private Owner wagons.  It appears that blocks of numbers were allocated to each fleet of previously privately owned vehicles, so the number depends on who previously owned the wagon.  All numbers were preceded by the letter 'P'. Numbering started at P1 and went up to P207600.  Can you give the owner's details and I'll see if they are in the book?

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Terry, Nigel,

A great help, I'll look out my wagons and let you know. With wagons, I was bought several by family as presents, probably on the basis that they looked 'colourful'!

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Chubber wrote:.............................................................. With wagons, I was bought several by family as presents, probably on the basis that they looked 'colourful'!

Doug

Ah yes, those lovely bright yellow or red Hornby offerings  (probably liveried as "Coal for Santa"......)  :shock:



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My own humble offereings can be found on my "Yarslow" layout thread - posts dated June 10th 2018 and shortly thereafter might be of interest??

I have to say, distressing PO wagons is great fun as you really cannot get it too wrong.

I think I also might have referenced the transfers for adding black panels and Pxxx numbers - the same as Terry mentioned from memory.

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Thanks, Barry.

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Yup! That's the badger...



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Yuk, that's a dirty 'orible mess Doug. Love it and great badgering!

The inside of course would look even more beat up.

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That looks really good Doug - I see you found the transfers for the numbering..............



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No, no! Stop!! It's a picture of one of Barry's luffley work, I should have made that clear, but failed to.Apologies all round,

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No offense taken!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

On a serious note, the hardest part is matching the tare weight panel on the new transfers to the original wagon weight.  I think I got close for most of mine but with a few, took the view that very few would notice!!

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