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 Posted: Sat Feb 15th, 2020 06:43 pm
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Hi All.  This subject may have been touched on previously? But, in my headlong dash to get back into model Railways after 40 odd years, I wrote to Hattons, and purchased some green carriages and a school’s class Loco. Whosoever packed my carriages got into a right old pickle and I ended up with more brake carriages than required?      Anyway is there anyone on the YMRC forum that could identify these carriages for me. Best wishes Kevin 



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Post the code numbers off the box Kevin then someone can identify them.


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Try the packing slip from Hattons. Should tell you what you bought.

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If they're green Kevin, they'll do for Southern Region - no class down there ! …………………... :mutley :mutley :mutley



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Petermac wrote: If they're green Kevin, they'll do for Southern Region - no class down there ! …………………... :mutley :mutley :mutley

Oi!!! 

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Hi Brian, Nigel, Petermac and Jeff.   Thank you all for your replies. Hopefully , I shall be feeling fitter after my.   “TAVI procedure on Friday 21 February, but,at the time of writing I am not feeling up to rummaging around to answer your posts, suffice to Hattons were not the only supplier of the Hornby coaches. Best wishes Kevin 



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That should help with your breathlessness Kevin and you should be home after a few days, so you look forward to getting upstairs to the planks again soon.

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Hi Bill.  Thank you for your reply. I do hope that you are correct, I thought that five weeks was enough? But two months over November and December in 2019 was much to much for me. Best wishes Kevin



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Hi Kevin,
You did say Hattons. You could just go on line and look at SR coaches. Should give you an idea.

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Hi Bill Thank you for your reply. By the I have had my TAVI procedure, the surgery went well, before I went into the theatre the surgeon explained my choices and why I have to go through with . I was awake all the time as he said that I would be. Best wishes Kevin 



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Hi Kevin and welcome back! Glad to hear that all went well and that you can now concentrate on regaining your strength.

Hopefully not long now until you can get to your railway.

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Hi Kevin - glad surgery went well.  Hopefully you will soon be back to full strength and cracking on with your layout.  Just remember to do what the doctors tell you - short term pain for long term gain!!
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Hi Michael.  Thank you for your reply. I am well experienced at following orders , when I am told to rest.Best wishes Kevin 



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Hi Petermac.   I forgot to ask you, before shoving off to France, which part of London were you dwelling in?    Best wishes Kevin



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Petermac wrote: If they're green Kevin, they'll do for Southern Region - no class down there ! …………………... :mutley :mutley :mutley

After this, Kevin, I am surprised you are still talking to  Monsieur Le Mac!!



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Back on topic, Kevin, you still haven't told us what coaches were in your order(s).

Bear in mind the Southern Railway (and its predecessors) and BR Southern Region kept coaches in semi-permanent sets until the 1960s, with each set of more than two coaches having two brake coaches, one at each end. Single coach trains were also usually a brake coach (most usually a Brake Composite). The Atlantic Coast Express was infamous for having more brake coaches than "ordinary" sitting coaches, because there were so many portions to split off along the way.

For model railways with limited space, the typical 3-car sets are ideal, so for those you usually require two brake coaches and one composite. 2-car sets were more variable, but could be a Brake Composite and a Brake Second (Third in earlier times), or a Corridor or Saloon Second plus a Brake Composite, or a Composite (or Second class only for branches where first class was not an option) and a Brake Second.

This is by no means exhaustive, but typical formations suitable for a model railway would be, using standard nomencaltures:

5-car: BSK+SK+CK+SK+BSK
4-car: BSK+SK+CK+BSK
3-car: BSK+CK+BSK
2-car: BSK+BCK or SO+BCK or CK+BSK or SO+BSK (2nd class only)
Single car: BCK or BSK


For pre-1957, substitute 'T' for 'S' (i.e. Third for Second class).

For later Bulleid coaches, there were Semi-Open Brake Seconds, but they simply go where I have typed BSK.

The usual problem for Southern modellers was that Hornby (and Bachmann) tended to NOT do enough brake coaches!

Anyway, here's a photo of a train currenty running on Newton Broadway, made up of two 3-car sets, so four brake coaches (BSK) and two composite coaches (CK), one Maunsell set, one Bulleid 'multi-door' set, all Hornby. Merchant Navy 35005 'Canadian Pacific' is temporarily pretending to be a 1950s version in blue, awaiting the arrival of Hornby's 35024 'East Asiatic Company' in original form in blue.




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Hi Jeff. Thank you for your reply. Since my return to model Railways after a break of 40 odd years doing other stuff, when my plans went adrift I packed all my green Hornby coaching stock away, and haven’t given much thought to them, but, if I had the space the “ World would have been my Lobster “ unquote. If I can straighten up my space and plans I will go through my stock. But from memory, I have more brake coaches, some corridor and maybe some compartment too. Best wishes Kevin 



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Hi Jeff.  Re Hornby Green carriages, I just had a quick look. And I am uncertain about diagrams, anyway I have some first class, and some third class brakes, also composites. The six compartment third class, looks like someone forgot a door? Also there are corridors on most of them. Wether that is correct or not I don’t know, funny thing that they haven’t been weathered.  Best wishes Kevin



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That helps with formations, Kevin, but still tells us very little about what sort of coaches they are: whether they are Maunsells of the newer Hornby super-detail type or the pseudo-Maunsell coaches of the previous 'generic' types, or possible BR mark 1 stock. Photos or catalogue numbers may help us to identify them.

Otherwise, talking generically, so to speak, I gave you typical set formations earlier and you could make up those sorts of sets from what you have. 



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Hi Jeff.   I know about the stock that I drove when I was working on the District Line okay, but, as far as Maunsell trains and  pseudo Maunsell trains . I am at a loss, but, if I can get some decent photos I will, and add them to my gallery.   Best wishes Kevin 



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