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Hello fellow modellers, here are a few words about my new layout in 0/16.5 Narrow gauge called Knottworthy Magna, this is a small 4'6" x 24" double sided roundy roundy layout based upon Ted Pollets famous "Nixnie" layout in 009.
Ted lives in Holland, and his layout has been well documented in the 009 forums and on the exhibition circuit, after my 009 layout "Glen Ogle" was disposed of, I decided to make my modelling life a little easier, if slightly more expensive, by going up a scale and size with my new layout.

I get my enjoyment out of the building of layouts, the operational side is of little interest to me other than watching my efforts come to life in as realistic a way as possible, so I wanted something quick to occupy me.

I had enjoyed reading about Ted Pollet's "Nixnie layout, and I admire his modelling skills , so I decided to take a shortcut, by pass the angst and brain cudgelling of finding a suitable model able idea, and simply copy a proven concept.

Because of the increase in scale and gauge, the layout baseboard had to be increased in size, but the general layout remained the same, an oval of track, with a central, slightly diagonal divider double sided back scene.

One side has a semi industrial scene, the other a rural scene, a tunnel divides the scenes at one end, and a large handmade tree at each side of the back-scene, hides a hole through the back-scene at the other end.

At the tunnel end, the tunnel exits at the industrial side of the layout, onto a timber trestle bridge, over the river Knott and passes the front of the factory, with a single faced passenger halt for the factory worker, at the rear of which a fan of sidings similar to a shunting puzzle, laid out as a goods yard.  On along the front of the factory, past a line-side plate-layer's both y, before turning right under a canopy of trees through the hole in the back-scene to the other side.

Having passed below the trees and through the back-scene, exiting below a second tree at the other side, the line passes the front of a low relief engine shed which hides a spur heading off scene at that end of the layout to an off scene fiddle yard in the form of a complete train turntable.

Passing over the shed entrance point, the line passes over a level crossing adjacent to a signal box and on towards a small rural single platform and passing loop, on to the tunnel mouth and then through to the other side of the layout and the trestle bridge.
This was basically Ted's layout in 009, his modelling is superb, I have a great respect for him, and would like to think he would appreciate this blatant copy, and this is why the layout is called "Knottworthy", a play on words he might appreciate. 

A few pictures to follow:-

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Brian Twigg.

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As promised, some pictures of Knottworthy Magna.
One side view of the layout which for convenience, I will designate as the front.



The reverse side view, which for convenience I will designate as the back










More pictures later if anyone is interested.

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What a lovely little layout it just shows what a layout can be made in such a small area


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Thank you Brian, you're the first to respond to my new layout, I'm glad you like it, if you want to see and appreciate the inspiration for it, try googling "Nixnie", Ted Pollet's layout is a real gem.
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BrianT, while only Brian has responded,, many have viewed it so don't be disheartened.

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Hello Ron, I'm not at all disappointed, it's a long time since I posted regularly on any of the forums I visit, but if you followed my Glen Ogle layout thread, I was used to some silence occasionally, the layout is built so there will be no blow by blow account, perhaps an occasional upgrade.
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Hi Brian,

Nice. Double sided, so no front/back. At 2 feet wide those are some tightish curves for On30/7mm narrow gauge. Any chance of a track plan? DC or DCC ? Locomotives?

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Good morning Nigel.
The electrics are radio control 3.7 volt Lipo battery per loco, with a baseboard 7Ahr battery controlling the servo driven level crossing gates, engine shed doors and station lights etc.

The points are all hand flicked at the moment but I did have plans to move them with servos, but I can't find my roundtuit gizmo at the moment.

The loco's are mainly Smallbrook Studio resin kits mounted on Hornby Smoky Joe chassis with Del Tang radio receivers driven by a hand held controller.

The track plan is an oval, a fiddle yard off scene at one end, a passing looped station at the front, a simple halt at the rear, with a fan of sidings to the rear factory laid out as a shunting puzzle.

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Hi Brian,

I thought there was more to this than just really nice scenery and buildings. I know several others here are interested in radio control (I am, having played around with radio controlled DCC, both silent and sound, for a while), so a few more details on how long they run on a charge and how they are charged would I am sure be appreciated by others. I am familiar with the Del Tang system, it is a nice way into radio control, but others may not be. A fiddle yard and a shunting puzzle as well, this small layout has it all.

Did you keep the original Hornby wheels or use something a bit smaller? Any photos of the locomotives?

4.5' x 2' (9 square feet) and On30 7mm. Bravo.

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Hello again Nigel.
It would perhaps be simpler for me to show the complete layout pictures on here with the descriptive captions rather than keep replying to questions, I didn't think there would be a great deal of interest in Knottworthy Magna, it was only a question about my old "Glen Ogle" layout that fired me up to start visiting the forums again.

I should perhaps point out that I am not a rivet counter, or absolute scale fanatic, near enough is good enough for me, so for instance, I know the Hornby Smoky Joe chassis is crude and has over scale wheels, but with a 3.7v Lipo Battery, it trundles around quite nicely giving me movement, and I'm quite happy to overlook its many inaccuracies, so no, I have not changed the wheels for more scale ones.

I have just had an article published in the 7mm Narrow Gauge societies bi-monthly magazine, with a picture adorning the front cover of the mag, and the story of its build between the covers, and that'll do me. 

I'm quite happy to answer any questions you may have, and pass on any information or tips to fellow modeller's, my Scribing's have always been a warts/mistakes and all effort, anyone who's never made a mistake can't have made much in his life.

I will come back to this later with more pictures, but tonight is my dog sitting night for my Daughter and her Hubby, as the go to rehearsals for this years production of a show called "Big", which, if anyone has seen the film, has a stage piano keyboard which I have been tasked to make for them.   This has 22 notes and is 16 foot long, two of the cast dance on this and each footfall lights up the Opal Acrylic note top with blue LED's, inside the 36"x 8" notes via inbuilt micro switches.

Catch up with you later.

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BrianT.

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Hello BrianT,
Nice little layout. Is the river made from varnish? It has come up very well.

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Hello Marty, yes the river is many coats of clear varnish.
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Mr Moderator, I have just spent a period of time posting pictures and captions to my thread, and pressed the wrong key, can you please recover them, I don't want to have to do it all again.
BrianT.

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I dont think Mr Moderator can magic pictures back if you actually uploaded them they will be in your gallery if you click reply to post then when window opens click Insert existing photo from gallery window will open and hopefully all the ones you uploaded will be there if so just redo your post using that insert button to select your pictures.

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Thank you for your attempt at help Brian, unfortunately, the wordage and pictures have gone.
I really don't feel like starting the post again from scratch, but I suppose I will have to  :roll:.

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Upload all your pictures first into the gallery less chance of whole thing going wrong then.

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Second attempt at my promise to show pictures of the layout with captions, so here goes.
Starting at what I will call the front right of the layout, we have a low relief engine shed, positioned up to an end back-scene, this hides an off scene fiddle yard train turn table with, cassette storage capacity.   The shed doors are motorised with 12v servo motors.   Passing onward, the line crosses a level crossing whose servo operated gates are closed against a waiting local Brewery delivery lorry.  We then pass in front of the Knottworthy Magna signal box with the signal mans pride and joy, his very shiny Messerschmidt three wheeled bubble car.  The large tree overshadowing the right of the signal box is a home made effort, constructed to hide the hole in the back scene, which allows trains from the other side of the layout to pass through.  The road surface Tarmac, is 180 grade wet and dry paper.



We move on to a view of Knottworthy's single station platform with its passing loop, rudimentary shelter.   A sprinkling of passengers await the train approaching from the tunnel under the hill, which is formed by a squirt of builders squirty foam over the track protected card board tunnel liner, and into the corner formed by left hand end back scene board and the slightly diagonal end to end back scene, that runs vertically from the left  hand end back scene board to the the right hand end back scene board at the engine shed.  The retaining wall and tunnel portal. is 60th plasticard with  layer of DAS  modelling clay laid on a bed of PVA glue to its face, when dry and hard, the stonework was scribe'd into the clay and coloured with dilute water colour paint before being glued into place at the tunnel mouth.  On the platform can be seen a hand operated yard crane which has recently unloaded some goods for delivery to the adjacent village.





Heading on and through the foam tunnel, we exit at what I will call the back of this double sided layout, and proceed onto a timber trestle bridge which crosses the river Knott.  This is a placid slow moving river with some small riverbed cascades view able through the bridge supports.   This is a popular spot for the local populace to spend a quiet afternoon, where local fishermen can can while away the hours, content in the knowledge that they are not going to be interrupted either by a kamikaze fish requiring attention, or there wives, reminding them that the little bedroom, AKA railway room, could do with a coat of emulsion.  Behind the bench seat can be seen a wagon or two, at rest in the factories fan of goods sidings, laid out in a shunting puzzle formation.   Also in view is the end of the factory managements railway halt, laid out to assist their workers get to work from the surrounding countryside.



Another view of the factory frontage behind the afternoon special, that has used, with the managment's permission, its ability to stop and drop off a few more passengers, taking advantage of the weather, to visit this spot.  Down by the riverside, a loan fisherman has been joined, much to his annoyance, by one of the visiting spectators, who is doing his best to annoy him, by asking inane questions of him.  The fisherman is doing his best to point out that had he wished to have an afternoons session of question time, he would have stayed at home and listened to his wife.





An overhead view of the scene.



Meanwhile the train passes into the tunnel on its way to Knottworthy



Later in the day a second train enters the scene and makes its way to the halt to pick up some of the day visitors, and showing the full extent of this imposing factory building.  the local pickup goods enters the yard behind it, to shunt the yard, and collect some outward destined goods.



The pickup goods engine continues to shunt the yard while the goods receiving clerk stands in the goods covered bay to guide him to where he wants the goods placing.  A couple of prospective employees have arrived at the Administration entrance for there interviews, each sizing each other up as competitors for the office job on offer.  A third candidate who has been interviewed earlier, and has been asked to wait, rests on some earlier delivered crates in the yard, confident that as he is the only other candidates who has been asked to wait, he must be in with a chance of getting the job.


Approaching the end of the back view and coming up to the tight right and bend of the layout, the line passes a Platelayer's Bothy with one of the rail employees making his way in for his morning drink.  The line passes under a second home made tree hiding the hole through the back scene and on towards the start of our tour of the line at the engine shed.

That's about it for tonight folks, I'm tired and had enough, enjoy, or not as the case may be.

Regards,  BrianT.


 


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Good morning friends, well it is here in Yorkshire.
I thought I had posted the last few pictures of the layout last night, but when I opened up this morning I could not find them.
While I was looking in my Photobucket account for them again, I came across this that I thought might interest other DIY engineers amongst us.



They are two kit cars I built, the blue one is a roadgoing GTM Spyder, rear engined, a la MG GT, with a "K" series engine, all fibreglass tub upon which all the mechanical parts are bolted, with a first time pass through the mandatory SVA test, my daughter enjoyed it for a while, was taken to her wedding in it by me, but her husband is over 6ft tall, and his head height put his eyebrows over the top of the windscreen, so it had to go.

The red one is a half size Land Rover series 2, built with paper plans from the Toylander company.  It is built from two sheets of MDF, 12mm thick, has two 12v invalidity scooter motors, and forward / reverse gear lever, handbrake from the doner car to the GTM kitcar, disc brakes from pedal cycles, electric horn, flashing indicators, side and head lights and was much enjoyed by my Grandson of four years of age at the time.  During the build. just after I had fitted the folding windscreen, upon examination by his young Lordship, he pointed out that it had no windscreen wipers, so a trip to the local car scrapyard found two headlamp wipers from a Saab that were duly fitted to his satisfaction.

Kids eh, don't you love em.

Not quite railway modelling, but one of the many branches of DIY I have enjoyed over my 80 years.

Regards,

BrianT.



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Right, to get back to the matter in hand, Knottworthy.





I left you with a view along the back of the layout, this is the left hand corner of the factory with a pickup goods approaching the right hand bend and on through the hole in the back scene.  the main factory is a card model built as designed by a company called "Purple Bob", I required a covered goods in bay from the expanding factory, so the directors commissioned an extension to match the original building as much as possible, so a second factory kit was purchased and adapted to make the goods bay.  The large tree is a home made effort to hide the sharp bend, and the exit hole through the back scene to the front of the layout. A further view block was placed here in the form of a plate-layers Bothy, and a member of that fraternity is about to enter for his morning break.

And that concludes the whistle stop tour of the whole layout

Tarah and regards for now,

BrianT. 

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Lovely projects Brian and as a lifelong old car enthusiast and a rather tall chap, I fully emphasise with lack of headroom in many of the more interesting cars, hence my leaning toward topless motoring.

Well done in respecting the user's preference for correct accessories. Older Saabs are interesting and useful :)

Besides traditional soft-tops, the 2CV also makes a most entertaining conveyance for taller types, although the subject of my profile picture answers rather well too.

Oh and a splendid railway with super photos taking us on an inspiring journey around the layout.

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Thank you Bill, I'm glad you liked my ramblings and found an interest in my little wandering off piste.  Lomax made good use of the 2CV chassis for their kit car too.
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Enjoyed the layout in Narrow Lines Brian and on NGRM, and now I've enjoyed it again.

Just shows what can be done in 7mm in a small space.



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Hello fellow modellers.
I mentioned in my ramblings that the layout benefited from a train turntable fiddle yard, accessed trough the low relief engine shed.
I thought some of you might be interested in its design?

Off scene behind the engine shed, is a shelf bolted to the layout that carries the turntable as shown below.  This view also shows the 12v 7Ah dry battery that powers the layout electrics, and a view of the inset toggle switches that operate the servo operated engine shed doors, the level crossing gates and various lighting effects around the layout, with LED's to show what is powered when.






A close up of the turntable shelf and the turntable.



The shelf removed for illustration purposes, and turned at 90 deg. to its direction of delivery, and one of the cassettes mounted on it.



The underside of the turntable platter showing ball bearing upon which it turns, and the fact that I got the bearing socket too near to the edge and had to drill a second one adjacent.



The cassettes are 100mm trunking lids, with the track glued to the inside of the lid, these fit inside two right angle strips of hardwood, such that the plastic is securely aligned, but can be slid backwards and forwards  easily.  This is to accommodate the fact that the turntable has to turn in a circle, so the square edges have to be removed on the turntable platter, and the cassettes need to be able to slide into position when in place to deliver a train to the layout through the engine shed.  Once the platter is aligned with the exit hole, the cassette can be slid hard up to the adjoining layout track.  The reason for the over-wide trunking I used, is because this turntable was originally designed for my Glen Ogle layout, and the 100mm (4") lid hold 3 pieces of 009 track side by side, so three complete 009 trains could be accommodated per cassette.  I the event, the turn table was never used for its designed purpose as I turned Glen Ogle from an end to end layout into a dog-bone type, with track returning to the opposite end behind the back-scene.





I hope the pictures make every thing clear, its not rocket science, but it works.

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A very well made simplistic design Brian
i assume your electrical contact is pushing the rails on the trunking up to the layout track for contact?

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Hello Brian, yer not concentratin, keep up. The layout is radio controlled innit? :oops: :lol: :lol:
A battery and a receiver per Loco, controlled by a transmitter, no mucky track to bother about, any fallen leaves, branches or bodies will be happily climbed over, none of my trains are ever late. :lol: :lol:

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An enjoyable tour of a lovely little layout, thank you for the story BrianT.
That river bank IS a popular spot and justifiably so, the factory staff must be quite envious?

Is the layout “finished” or do you feel the need for a signal or two?

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Shurrup Purrin ideas in mih 'ead Marty. :lol:
No, the layout is not considered finished, it will be at Pudsey Narrow Gauge North in March, and I am still trying to do a little bit at it, but at the moment, typing is about all I am fit for, I am struggling with my health at the moment.

Owld age is not something to look forward to.

Kind regards for your interest,

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Good morning each, well it is here in Yorkshire, I don't know worrits doin in antipodes but thank you all for your interest.I'm building a loco to add to the fleet, I saw a picture of one and thought it would do to shunt the Factory yard, I haven't a clue what its supposed to be, but it looked the sort of thing the directors of the factory would buy in.

It will be an 0-4-0 on a smoky Joe chassis and radio controlled as usual, so a bit of Pasticard and a few bits from the scrap box saw it in the builders yard, ( our dining table ) I've got a very tolerant wife, especially since she's seen me in print and can show the neighbours a picture of Knottworthy Magna on the front cover of Narrow Lines, the 7mm narrow gauge magazine.

So here we go:-
Still in its early stages, looks like a coffin on wheels at the moment, white Plasticard super-glued together 'cos I've run out of MEK Pak solvent, so when I've done typing this, I'm off to Marcways, my local model shop to buy some, and some static grass to tart up the layout a little with my home made scatter'er. 



Most of the required bits on my window sill.



 

I'm considering a sliver of copper tube along the tank top to represent the top of the boiler, any thoughts folks?

Right I'm off shopping now, more when I've done it.

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BrianT

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That sliver of tube for the boiler top sounds like a fine idea to me!

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Agreed, possibly extending to a smoke box slightly proud of the front of the tanks.... if that is at all possible?

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Marty wrote: Agreed, possibly extending to a smoke box slightly proud of the front of the tanks.... if that is at all possible?

Larger diameter tube  :hmm



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Well fancy that, California US of A, Perth in Australia and one from nearer home, that's quite a spread folks, it makes me feel most humble.
I have been busy since getting back from the model shop, I decided that 15mm copper tube was the wrong size for the boiler, and 22mm was too large, so I looked around for a this'l do piece, and settled for an AA battery.

I'm not going to get my tripod out to take pictures tonight, so you will have to wait until tomorrow, and let the words paint a picture.

The battery was sawn in half, length way's,  (if anyone has ever wondered what is inside a modern AA battery, watch this space and all will be revealed when I take a picture.)   This gave me a suitable tube diameter, but a little short on length, so I reduced the length of the side tanks at the boiler position, leaving the tanks extended beyond the boiler, as though the tank capacity had been extended, so that to work the factory yard, would only require an overnight fill up with a hose pipe to get it through the days shunting duties.

The battery was the same diameter as the smoke box door casting from my bits box, so this was super glued to the negative end of the battery casing, the half tube had the chimney and steam dome and safety valve glued in place so that I could line them up nicely, then the half tube was super glued to the tank top with the positive end butting up to the spectacle plate.

The space between the tanks and boiler front was filled with Blue Tac moulded into shape, ( I did not have any modelling clay, (Plastacine to UK readers), which filled the void and could be shaped easily to follow the required contours, and will accept paint easily.

Any other cracks and fissures left during modelling was filled with Milliput two part filler and sanded smooth  when hard.

That'll do for now, pictures tomorrow.

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Wonderful!  What a super layout, and clever loco building!  A very enjoyable read

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Thank you Michael.
As promised some up to date pictures of progress, starting with the AA donor battery that supplied the boiler for the coffin tank engine. 
 
The battery was sawn in half, length way's,  (if anyone has ever wondered what is inside a modern AA battery,here's a look see . This gave me a suitable tube diameter, but a little short on length, so I reduced the length of the side tanks at the boiler position, leaving the tanks extended beyond the boiler, as though the tank capacity had been extended, so that to work the factory yard, would only require an overnight fill up with a hose pipe to get it through the days shunting duties.





The piece of battery outer case with the dome and the safety valve, and the chimney, which were  spares from my scrap box, fitted in position on the case.   The case has been positioned and super glued into position on the tank top, negative end at the smoke box end, positive end to the spectacle plate.  I might leave the crimped top of the AA battery as it is, as it does look a little like the firebox to the boiler joint, opinions please??  The joint to the spectacle plate will be filled in with Milliput modelling clay, as could the AA battery top crimp?





A better view of the cut down side tanks with the smoke box access door, rescued from my scrap box, glued to the AA battery negative end.  The space created by the bowed end of the battery to the flat smoke box door casting will be filled with Milliput.  The space below the smoke box door is being filled with Blue Tac, as a malleable filler that can be pushed into place and formed to the contours of the space, much like Children's Plasticine.  When finished it will accept paint and be indiscernible from a normal material.








And to finish off this session, here's a selection of my motive power fleet lined up on my dining room window sill.
  Left to right is a Small-brook model, petrol engine'd Rail car, bought by the factory management and on semi permanent loan to the "Knottworthy Light Railway Company", whose major share holder is the chairman of the "Knottworthy Shock and Awe Co. Ltd's factory".  This was acquired by the factory from the Smallbrook engine company, who took it in as a payment from one of Colonel Stevens failing enterprises in exchange for a Ganger's trolley.   After a lick of paint, in Gooseberry Green and Custard, the fitting of a new engine silencer, and replacement of several of the woodworm riddled lats on the passenger saloon's seats, it entered service as Number 1 in the KLRC companies fleet. 
  Its sole purpose being to carry factory workers on the subsidised journey from the local surroundings to and from the factory, twice daily.  The contract for this had been let at such a keen price that it proved to be prohibitively expensive to fulfil by the KLRC using one of their steam loco's and a single carriage.   The employee from the KLRC who headed the negotiations has been demoted and now heads the toilet cleaning and engine fire lighting department on permanent night's. 


The second loco is an 0-4-0 tank engine in straight Gooseberry Green designated Number 4 in the KLRC's fleet numbering. This was a purchase from the 7mm societies sales stand at one of the shows.


The third loco from the left, Is a Smallbrook Studios resin kit of one their locos built by myself and Painted Black, with red lining, this entered service as number 2 in the fleet.


The fourth loco is yet another Smallbrook 0-4-0 "Thor" resin kit, painted dark Blue, with a fleet number of 3.


All my models are mounted on Hornby "Smoky Joe" chassis, radio controlled and driven be an on board 3.7V Lipo battery.












Right then, back to modelling before an hour of "Shetland", a cracking good TV series.


Regards to all,


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I like the extended tanks Brian.... and the detail of the battery top near the spectacle plate. Not sure how prototypical the firebox and boiler join is though? It’s a sizeable choke point and may reduce the efficiency of the firebox?
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Hello Marty, you are a bit out of date, things have moved on a little.
The loco is now in unlined works grey :).

I thought all my followers had gone on holiday, its been a bit quiet on this thread. :oops:

A bit of smoothing still required to the boiler top where I've added Milliput filler.  (I can't say I'm impressed with Milliput two part filler.)  I could have got a better finish at first go with some thing like poly filler. :sad:
I am going to have to find another filler material?

The loco has now got cab footplate steps, and two oval tank top fillers, a regulator handle, brake screw down lever and pressure gauge, I can't come up with the two water gauges yet, I can't get a convincing looking sight glass?

I must say, I wouldn't want to be the fireman on that footplate, the firebox hole looks awful large. :lol:

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There's no 'like' button on this forum Brian, but you can see how many people are reading the thread by the number of 'views'.

Be assured, there are plenty of people following along, but they may not have any useful comment to add.


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Ed wrote: There's no 'like' button on this forum Brian, but you can see how many people are reading the thread by the number of 'views'.

Be assured, there are plenty of people following along, but they may not have any useful comment to add.


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This is why I enjoy when forums do have "like" buttons, since so often I see something I appreciate but when I attempt speak its praises... my brain fails to words

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Thank you for visiting Zelda ????
Here are the latest pictures of the loco in unlined workshop Grey. :lol:

The Regulator handle and Pressure gauge are only pushed through the spectacle plate temporarily until the final colour is applied.

The radio control gear has still to be fitted and connected to the Hornby "Smoky Joe" chassis.



Still a bit of filling to do evident on the boiler.



Pity the poor fire man with a coal hole that size.



The engine driver insists this is his most photogenic side, Poser that he is.



Things have definitely moved on a bit since this was presented for inspection.



That's all for the moment folks,

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Very excellent progress on that loco

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  well no like button but you can use this one from the drop down menu (click on more) in the emoticons ?   
:doublethumb    quick and easy, and shows your following along without doing a full on post

 As Ed said you can see how many are watching your thread. For myself during busy work periods I browse a lot but dont post much as I'm too cream crackered lol but maybe I'll start using that emoticon more to show i'm watchin yez  

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I'm like Matt, holding down two jobs and just too cream crackered to string a comprehensible sentence together sometimes. Doesn't mean we're not watching.
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Love how a spray of grey brings a model together.

You must be just about finished it by now.

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Good morning Matt and Marty, thank you for your support.
Yesterday, Saturday 9/03/19, I was at Pudsey Civic hall Narrow Gauge North show with Nottworthy Magna,for a one day show.

It seemed to be appreciated, but you never really know do you, people say nice things, but being a born pessimist, there's always the element of doubt. ;-)

I took with me a fellow modeller John Andrews, from the South Yorkshire 009 group which I attend each month, one of the nicest groups in the country, and I owe him a sincere debt of gratitude, thank you John if you read this, his sense of humour and dedication to the task in hand, was without doubt, my crutch for the day, and his help will be forever appreciated. :)

We had a good few onlookers and it was always a pleasure to see young children dashing from the station side to the factory side as a train went into the tunnel at the river end. :lol:

A tiring day but most enjoyable, thank you to the organisers.

I came away with several suggestions on possible alterations/improvements to Knottworthy, usually said with a grin from John, but constructive and helpful. You will have to watch this space to see whether they ever become a reality in real life.

My next outing will be at the Mansfield 009 group's show with my 009 Rabbit layout, an old layout built to amuse my grand son, I hope John will accept my invitation to accompany me again.

Well that's all the news from South Yorkshire today, so I will bid you good by.

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Well I have had no one clamouring at my door with invites to show Knottworthy Magna anywhere else, so it looks as though it will be under a re-visit of the builders, longer, lower, more streamlined what ever. :roll:
Big saw, more wood, and builders foam, you will have to watch this space for the what ever bit??

I'll keep you all posted.

Tarrah for now,

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Right , here we go, are you sitting comfortably, then I will begin:-
You may remember, Knottworthy originally looked like this at the river end:-

 



And now it looks like this:-





I am going to extend the base board by about 12", (300mm) to give a longer space to fit a station loop to accommodate a passing train of longer length on the station side.
  
This will probably mean lifting and replacing the existing platform, with a longer platform and its associated works.

On the factory side, the river and bridge will move to its right again into the corner, and to improve the shuntability of the factory, the two storage sidings will be lengthened to give more goods storage space.

To create a passing loop for the factory halt, the baseboard is to be widened at the river end only, and taper back to its original width at the engine shed end, this will allow a point to be fitted as the track leaves the trestle bridge and a parallel track to be laid to a point along the back edge.  This will possibly mean a hand made point at both ends of this new loop, to fit into the existing layout, unless Peco's offerings can be accommodated.

The halt will probably become more station like with a building for waiting passenger shelter.

I'm going to be busy, but I'll keep you posted.

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Sounds like a nice plan, here's hoping the work goes smoothly.

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Here we go with today's partial rebuild of the baseboard extension, this has turned out to be more difficult than I imagined.  (Nowt new theer then)
I quickly realised that because the original baseboard was so strong, I had got used to being able to get hold of it anywhere to twist it or upend it whatever.  The 12" (300mm) extension, had when it is finished, to be able to be handled in the same way, which requires considerably more structural stiffening, ie weight.  So that has had to be taken into consideration.
As you can see below, 12" has been added to the length, this has been done by gluing and screwing a piece of 3mm MDF to the Station side, it has only been profiled to where the hill and tunnel starts to rise ,  where the land profile has to rise to to form the tunnel, this piece is still flapping about above the old base board side.








The new extension which will be a tunnel and river as the original, has been made wider by an additional 4" (100mm).   This side then tapers off to nothing, past the front of the factory to the plate-layers bothy, and here lies the problem, had I kept the base board the same size as the original, the new MDF would have been glued and screwed to the original side, but now it is to be spaced increasingly away as it heads towards the not yet constructed river, and it is here that a lifting hand will almost certainly be placed to lift the layout at this end for transport.




Here you can see the side tapering away to the opposite end.  The sides have two pieces of 21mm  pine to strengthen them.  Where the tapered end meets the original base board, the joint has been liberally covered in "No Nails" a builders grade mastic glue, and reinforced until the mastic sets with screws.





The new baseboard end has a high profile board ready for the squirt of builders foam that will form the new tunnel and hillside, and will be cut down to a suitable profile later, when I've built and placed the new tunnel entrances at either side.  The gap that you see at the moment, has to have a piece of 6mm MDF to fill it, with a slab of 50mm foam insulation from which the river will be carved.  You will have noted the corner gussets which will be fitted at all the 21mm timber joints to try and add the required stiffness.




And that folks completes tonight's  episode of the alterations.
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Hello Again, smee I'm afraid, I have been a little busy on the Knottworthy layout, you will have seen the start of the base board enlargement, with new framing and side pieces, and today I have been infilling the new extended frame ready to build upon it.
First a little more demolition to clear the decks, the factory has been removed, and the new base board pieces inserted to make way for the the new track on the factory side. 








At the station side, the platform has been removed, along with the shelter, signal box, station lights and bubble car, ready for the new station.





The very small passing loop has been lifted in readiness for a longer more useful loop, the tunnel portal has of course gone, ready for a new squirt of builders foam when I have built a new tunnel liner.





The new cosmetic side has been cut down to the baseboard top, towards where the tunnel entrance will be in readiness for the final shaping when the foam has been laid over the tunnel liner.





The new longer loop has been laid upto where the tunnel entrance will be.





The old curved section of track and the trestle bridge base, which I manage to recover from the first iteration, has been laid in position, and connected to the end of the station passing loop point, this has dictated where the new river Knott estuary will be, and ends at the start of a new passing loop for the factory halt.   The river will be marked out on the blue foam top and cut out again down to the under base, to form the river bed with its many coats of varnish.   This will allow a larger area for a shunting puzzle to be laid.

 



And that about winds up today's efforts.
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Looking forward to seeing how the squirt of builders foam works out! 

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Not squirted yet Marty, still positioning the tunnel lining and cling film protection for where I don't want it to go, LOL.
Just read your thread about your ongoing project, it looks very good, well done.
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Hello Zelda, its not coming along anywhere near Pomona, probably too hot for an 80 year old carrying a 6ft x 2ft lump of nothingness to manage. :lol:Thank you for your continued support.
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Well, that is quite a serious re-think, and you have done a great job.  In my head, everyone here gets it right first time and I'm the only one who sets out with a plan which gets changed, and then changed again!  So a big  :doublethumb for the re-modelling and the skill you have shown.  I do love the ideas!

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A little more work done to the layout upgrade, the new tunnel lining is in place on the extended base board.  The track return loop through the tunnel has been reinstated along with the trestle bridge deck, which luckily, I was able to lift as one piece and fix down to the spare piece of blue foam, forming the extended base board decking and the new estuary of the river Knott was drawn where the trestle bridge deck would pass across it.




The tunnel entrance at the station platform side is where the lengthened passing loop point  has been moved to giving an extra 12" of loop length.


The tunnel exit at the factory side is shown with the tunnel's roof fitted and sealed ready to accept the foam covering.  The river Knott estuary has been cut out of the blue foam and a plaster covering is in the process of being pasted on top of the raw cuts.  As you can see, the new river is to have larger waterfalls by stepping the foam cuts where it will join the foam hill side.



The bridge decking has had the river banks at each end recessed ready to accept the two stone piers, which have been cut from 2" x 1" softwood, covered in PVA to form a key, and while still wet, a covering of a polyfiller type plaster applied. 
The same technique has been used on the two tunnel portals, they have been set aside until the plaster covering has dried, then I hope to scribe a stone work pattern into the plaster, one is in its finished state with the plaster laid on, the second has only got its covering of PVA applied,



And now we come to the squirty foam which in this unpromising state, I hope will form a hillside.  Time will tell how much further work will have to be undertaken with a saw to finish off the hill , before the scribe'd stone tunnel portals and bridge piers can be fitted.


That's about it for tonight, we will have to see what the morning brings as far as the foam is concerned.

Regards,

BrianT.





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Hi Brian,

Nice build. Coal bunker or towed flat car? 


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Hello Nigel, I presume you are referring to the detritus viewed out of my garage :lol:, I don't suppose you have a local council where you live, but what you see are two of our three waste bins, one for plastic and cans, and the other for any cardboard and paper type materials.  The third bin which is for general household waste stands near our house rear door.  Stood on end adjacent, seen from the garage, is a small trailer, which as I no longer tow a caravan, so don't have a tow hook any more, is redundant, and up for sale if anyone is interested, I suspect the shipping costs rule you out of the prospective customer list??? :roll:
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Morning has broken and a view of the foam shows its expanded somewhat.
A little more work done to the layout upgrade, the new tunnel lining is in place on the extended base board.  The track return loop through the tunnel has been reinstated along with the trestle bridge deck, which luckily, I was able to lift as one piece and fix down to the spare piece of blue foam, forming the extended base board decking and the new estuary of the river Knott was drawn where the trestle bridge deck would pass across it.




The tunnel entrance at the station platform side is where the lengthened passing loop point  has been moved to giving an extra 12" of loop length.


The tunnel exit at the factory side is shown with the tunnel's roof fitted and sealed ready to accept the foam covering.  The river Knott estuary has been cut out of the blue foam and a plaster covering is in the process of being pasted on top of the raw cuts.  As you can see, the new river is to have larger waterfalls by stepping the foam cuts where it will join the foam hill side.



The bridge decking has had the river banks at each end recessed ready to accept the two stone piers, which have been cut from 2" x 1" softwood, covered in PVA to form a key, and while still wet, a covering of a polyfiller type plaster applied. 
The same technique has been used on the two tunnel portals, they have been set aside until the plaster covering has dried, then I hope to scribe a stone work pattern into the plaster, one is in its finished state with the plaster laid on, the second has only got its covering of PVA applied,



And now we come to the squirty foam which in this unpromising state, I hope will form a hillside.  Time will tell how much further work will have to be undertaken with a saw to finish off the hill , before the scribe'd stone tunnel portals and bridge piers can be fitted.


That's about it for tonight, we will have to see what the morning brings as far as the foam is concerned.

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Morning has broken, and the foam has expanded somewhat.


The foam has been carved roughly to shape using our 60 year ago in June wedding present bread knife, perfect for this job, a layer of polyfiller has been smoothed over the many imperfections in the foam.



The rear factory side exit from the tunnel is in place and waiting for the stone outlines to be scribed on its face, and the colour to be applied.  The foam is still active with pockets of it bursting through the harder outer surface as is evident in the flat region where I have placed the tip of the bread saw to point it out.



Slow progress and lots more to do I'm afraid, but that's it for tonight.

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That is one thing with this hobby Brian is how fast we go or not, is upto us... I work on the fact that the good lord can't take me to the final station until I finish my layout....that is why I do modifications every so often...

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Hi Brian,

Caravans sadly no, the condo board would have a fit. Coal - the tank engine. Bunker or towed flat car?

Trash and recycling we pay for using contractors, the city keeps well out of it.

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Here we are again friends with an update on the happenings to my Knotworthy Magna layout.  I was beginning to go snow blind by the overall whiteness of the modelling I was doing, so in view of the known likely outcome of its future persona, I have decided to add a little colour that, in time, would be more compatible with its likely ultimate finished state.You might, in this view, note that the tunnel entrance and exit former's have also received some architectural enhancement, they have both been clad in a material on their face, which allows a simulation of stonework to be scribe'd to represent laid stone work.  The entrance portal or station side portal, has been scribe'd and colour washed and stands awaiting its fitment on the green scenery, the exit portal is still in its unfinished white, and fixed to the tunnel outlet at the industrial side of the layout, where it will be scribe'd  and colour washed to match the one already finished.



The riverbed has had a wash of colour ready for its coating of varnish.  The two bridge anchor piers at the bank sides have been scribe'd, colour washed and fitted into the rebates formed in the riverbanks, and is still awaiting the fill texture to be added at each side and fully scenic ed.


 

The off-cuts of the foam, when sliced off the hardened foam, I save and use to fill in any where where I think they will enhance the scenic view.
The entrance to the tunnel at the station side is a case in point, where its limited space precludes using the squirted foam use straight from the container.  The off-cut has been glued to the back scene near the tunnel entrance, and has s colouring of ground daubed on because I had some paint already mixed at the time.

  

That's about it for tonight folks.

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Adding that green really does make a difference

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Hello from the UK Zelda, the green is a little more restful on the eyes. :cool wink
I can't make my mind up whether to make the bridge middle piers from timber the same as the Mk1 iteration, or whether to put stone piers in place, I would make the stone piers from a thinner piece of wood core for the scribed plaster, or if a trestle type wood, possibly thinner timber section then last time to make it look more delicate, any thoughts anyone  :hmm.

I'll give it 24 hours to allow our American members to respond before I please myself :lol: :lol: :lol:,   Rule one applies.

Tarrah for now,

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Hmm. I think a wood trestle would look fairly neat

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Dunno Brian, but I did like the original bridge.

Quick question, how do you work out the size of the tunnel mouths (portals)?



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Hello Ed, that was quick, so that's two votes for a timber trestle then :hmm?
As for tunnel portal size. I decide on the type/shape I fancy, measure my largest rolling stock and loco's, if its on a curve I allow 1/2" (12mm) more width and height over what the stock will pass through in theory to allow for any overhang swing, draw it out on some old card and cut it out, and stand it straddling the track, and run my stock through, it especially on any curved track, and just eyeball it for any near misses.

There is probably a formula some where, but trial and error usually works for me.

I have always liked the lozenge shape, but this is the first time i've tried it, if it fails for whatever reason, it's only a scrap of MDF, a pencil and compass, a fretsaw, some PVA glue and a smear of polyfiller to scribe into when dry, and you have as many shapes and sizes as you wish. :cheers

I hope that helps, and thank you both for your participation.

Kind regards,

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There is probably a formula some where, but trial and error usually works for me.



Trial and error then, thanks Brian.



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Hi Brian,

Great progress and it looks really good too :thumbs

Make that three votes for timber trestle construction, so much more interesting than ubiquitous stone!

Have fun,

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Thank you Bill for responding, it's looking like being another trestle then :roll:.
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Here we  are again friends, a little update to the ongoing Knottworthy Magna layout alterations:-
II have been busy with the trestle bridge, making new support trestles, a little landing for the fisherman to be known as Knotts Landing.:) ,and some access steps.
They are still not completed, but I thought it was a long time since I posted anything, so here they are in the rough:-

I wanted the trestle to look a little more rickety and flimsy, so I searched our local suppliers of anything remotely suitable, and found a pack of square 1/8" bamboo sticks, I think possibly used for Kebabs??  Any way they looked adequate, so a purchase was made and they have been cut into various lengths, laid over a drawing on a piece of foam board, glued and held in place with dressmakers straight pins, to form one of four trestles I require to support the old bridge decking I had managed to salvage to cross the new river Knott.





I also thought that the loan fisherman would look better if he was placed where he could be better seen, and made a little more comfortable during his stay, so to this end, I am supplying him with a small boat landing he can sit on, with more water to aim at as he casts his line across the ever widening river down stream of the bridge, The landing stage has some steps to access it rather than sliding down the bank on his bum.  Here they are propped on my dining room window sill until the glue dries.













Here the new structures are fitted, temporarily into position, to show their new locations.















As you will see, the river bed has it's first sealing coat of varnish applied, the trestles wedged under the bridge decking, the landing stage in place, and the steps laid into the cut out base foam.  The brown rocks are some polyfiller coloured with brown acrylic paint that had bean roughly daubed into the gash in the blue Styrofoam riverbank, and then attacked with a chisel to accept the new step structure.]













All the new raw wood has to have a suitable finishing colour and or texture adding to complete the scene.  The bottom of the piers will be resting on stone semi pillar/Islands in the water.

















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The layout continues to develop, the longer siding space extension caused some rough surfaces and the track to be laid across it  looked uneven, so the track was levelled and tested with a spirit level lengthways along the rack, and crossways rail to rail to make sure that it would be level, and then a mix of polyfiller was laid around the track to maintain the level correct.



The bridge was finally set in place , the lower cross pieces have become little islands with a coating of pollyfiller around them, painted, and then glued to the riverbed varnish and the decking above.


The high level view gives some scale to the scene, and I couldn't resist placing two of my seated model figure within the scene on the landing stage, although I could not find my angler, hopefully he will be found as the river receives its many more coats of varnish.

I need to buy some more ballast grit to coat all the additional track that has been laid, and start placing some models around the industrial side, but I have not yet decided exactly what they will be?
That'll do for tonight.
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Those trestle island don't look right do they?

Something will have to be done before the next coats of varnish are applied, but now they are glued down, that's not going to be easy unless I just make them bigger, hey ho, the joys of unplanned modelling.:cry:

Something will come up.

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Bigger islands, or stone piers maybe........


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Bigger river foundations or perhaps simply some rocks surrounding the foundations which were often placed to break up the power of the current to reduce wear on the support structure.

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A fetching station

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Hello Zelda, the station buildings in double vision are only temporary at the moment, and were part of my attempt to transfer a posting from N G Modelling Online and something went wrong, I will attempt to transfer the full post so it makes sense.
I think I've managed it this morning, below is what I was trying to transfer.

Another look at Knottworthy Magna's change of scenery.
The river Knott source in the hills of the back scene board, has had another very thick coat of varnish, and at the first cascade, a volcanic eruption has formed a convenient island,Who'd have thought it?  The island still has to receive further attention, and a splodge of varnish where my varnish laden brush caught the hillside has to be disguised with more paint.  

Down stream at the trestle bridge, the islands that support the bridge trestles have been altered with the aid of a little plaster and some cork rocks to beef them up.  The river has received a new coat of varnish, and as I type, I hope is settling shiny and level.  Again the islands have to have more work on them when the glue and varnish have dried.

A few of Knottworthies original model structures have just been placed on the site in an approximate position of where they may well be fixed in future.  The overlarge signal box, is now in a more likely area as there are far more points to be operated at the factory sidings than was the case at the original station position, so the signal man will have less time to fill with polishing his little three wheeler. :lol:
I have yet to build the new station for the front side and a smaller signal cabin, more in keeping with its location :roll:

The signal box and waiting room shelter have yet to have a platform laid for them to be bedded onto, and as can be seen, the track ballasting has begun.


The white splodges on the baseboard sides are not a scenic element, just smears of the filler material to cover the countersunk screw heads of the build additions, they will be smoothed flat before I paint the baseboard in black.

And so the reformation continues.
Regards,
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Great work Brian and very interesting as usual, you should be pleased.

Best,

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As promised but a little later than I anticipated, the latest developments on Knottworthy Magna with a wholesale tree planting exercise:-

The extended goods yard to give more shuntability.

The Trestle bridge greeneryfied







I think thats about it for now.#
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Looking good Brian :thumbs



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Thank you Ed.I am about to start making a Purple Bobs card kit of a half relief station to replace the laser cut waiting room on the front side of the layout, I have already made a small signal box to stand where the medium sized laser cut box stood near the level crossing.

I have also ordered an L-Cut interior fit-out kit for the Medium signal box to be retro-fitted, and Jakub Stachula of the L-Cut laser cut model company has agreed to make a smaller kit for me to be fitted into the small L-Cut signal box which is not a usual supply item, so I'm going to be busy for a while.



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Here are a few pictures of the Purple Bob Station card kit under construction:-








The kit is very comprehensive, not an easy kit to assemble, and you need lots of scalpel blades at hand, the results are usually worth the effort and can be recommended.

The pictures are way over exposed as I took them close up with the flash switched on I'm afraid, and its such a chore resizing them to post on the forums, so as I will no doubt be posting more images as the build progresses, hope fully, they will be better next time. :roll:

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it's been a long haul and there's still a little more to do, but I thought this little teaser would at least show that I've not been twiddling my thumbs.

The model has been wired with 12v LED's in each of the rooms, and a few more little tweaks are to be made, before it is placed on the vacant lot on the front side of the layout.
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Brian (and others ) if your using windows then download and install this little program to resize your images. Once installed its a simple case of right click on an image, choose re size image from the  normal drop down menu, choose size or do a custom size and then click, , its done. You can re size the original or make a re sized copy, single image or select and re size multiples
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Good steady progress Brian. Lovely station.

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I have just received the late edition of the Knottworthy Times, and noticed the exciting news in the stop press section of the news paper:~

Knottworthy Times 




 Stop Press




For Sale by Auction, a prime
development opportunity for redevelopment as either an industry or a Railway
Station.

Adjacent to the K.J.R. ( Knottworthy Joint Railway ), which
has access to, and running powers over the former LNER and LMS networks
nationwide, with frequent through services available on any exhibition or play-days.

This valuable piece of land is available, situated in a
perfect location adjacent to the pretty village of Knottworthy Magna.

Planning permission has been granted for the use as an industrial development with a ready made workforce from the nearby Village , or as a much needed station, serving the transport starved local community.
Not far away down the line is the famous Salmon River, the Knott,
assuring plenty of revenue earning footfall during the season.

Sealed bids should be submitted to the Factors Office at the
Drum’Mcudden  estate of the Laird of Drum’Mcudden,
Much Binding in the Marsh, Mythical, MY1 ARS, by 01/04/2020
.

The lucky purchaser will be expected to deposit a Bankers cheque,
or proof of a PayPal account with the Factor within 24hours of purchase being agreed, and is
promised a plot of land sized 6ft x 2ft and a tasteful headstone, within the
walled Drum’Mcudden Estate’s private burial ground whenever needed.

Viewing can be arranged if required by the narrow gauge fraternity by appointment, bringing your own tea and biccies is a requirement, and a hard hat is essential before entering my garage.






Very interesting???
Regards,

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Well titter ye not, oh, you didn't, well my attempt at humour failed yet again:roll:.  I've had no promises of biccies or tea from the Narrow Gauge community, could be that not many of you have a hard hat in your wardrobes, so I'll wave that requirement, but I warn you, the state of my garage presents a clear and present danger to anyone entering.

I needed to let the blister on my scalpel wielding finger subside before I started to attack the card on the station model again:cry:

So I started fitting the LED lighting as a "light" relief, doh, failed again Twiggy:lol:.

I'll try harder 'onest guv.

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Disaster is not a word to use lightly when modelling, but the new Knottworthy Magna Station building, which I have laboured over for many hours, I have managed to ruin in a matter of minutes, with one of Humbrol's products, namely their Acrylic matt spray varnish.:cry:

Today was to have been a Da Daah moment as I came to the end of the build at last, and was going to stand it in its position on the layout, photograph it and hopefully, await the plaudits, well perhaps a slow handclap at least.:roll:

But idiot that I am, I decided to give it a coat of protective varnish, and used a can of Humbrol Matt acrylic varnish that I had purchased, a light waft over the model in a warm centrally heated room appeared to go on nicely, I went to have my tea, and came back to check that the varnish had dried, and found the model covered in a white covering as would be produced if I had dusted it with Talcum powder.:brickwall

I'm not in the mood to take pictures for your delectation, but it is not a pretty site.

Annoyance, frustration and foul language directed at the Humbrol company were the order of the day.

I'll leave it for now until I'm more amenable to cooler thoughts.

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Goodness Brian, it's such a great shame when these events happen. I feel for you and commiserate with you over this sad disappointment. How is it looking today and is it salvageable?

Hope the day seems brighter and a phoenix plan emerges.

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Good morning Bill, I see you are online at the moment, bacon and egg for breakfast was it??



The station is recoverable if you disregard the frosted window I suppose, and the outside waiting area roof will have to have a lot of covering as the varnish can spluttered at this point depositing a large amount of the varnish on the roof, which seems to have taken the print out of the cardboard, so this is going to have to have a lot of ivy or something similar.



I have just been adding station platform lighting and I'm waiting for the glue to dry, but when I next post, I will show the extent of the damage and what I have done to try and mitigate the problem.



I have been looking at old station platform greenery photo's to see what if anything was accepted by the powers that were and have seen pictures of several stations with lots of climbing plants, so perhaps a clematis Montana or a climbing rose may well spring into life to help hide the damage, I'll have to see how well I model a climbing plant other than Ivy, which I seem to have used too many times before?



Kind regards and thank you for your interest,



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Hello Brian and yep, a fine sunny morning breakfast coffee and some cereal to set me up for some serious gardening. I only ever have cooked breakfast when visiting the UK!

Phew, thank goodness the station survived. The frosted window is easilly fixed and I like the idea of climbing roses and clematis, as our courtyard is awash with them, much to the delight of the bees, although the clematis has finished it's first display this year.

Great to see such positiveness for your splendid railway and well done with the lighting .

Best,

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The Knottworthy Station building has had a problem when I tried giving it a protective coat of Humbrol Mat spray varnish,  when it dried, it had deposited a white coating over the model, very much like a dusting of Talcum powder.
The worst affected area was the outside waiting area where the can spluttered, and deposited not a mist but liquid blobs, which when dry, not only had the white powder, but when I tried a gentle wipe with a damp cloth, seemed to remove the powder, but revealed that the varnish had taken most of the colour with it, and left it looking like this.


The rest of the model looked washed out, all the windows were frosted, and generally it looked a mess/

While I was deciding what to do with the model which I had put a lot of time and effort into, I decided to continue with the lighting and fitted the platform wall lights, the internal lighting was all but obscured by the frosting of the window glass.

I photographed the model against a background of bushes in my garden.


The vacant lot awaiting its new station and signal box.

The station more than fills the land allocated to it.  The two lighting cables will be passed through holes in the base board and connected to the two switched supplies below, one for model lighting and one for platform lighting.  the plugs are to allow the model to be disconnected and lifted if required for any reason.

It doesn't look good does it,  it's certainly not enhanced the layout one iota, and to cap it all, it is obviously overlong for its location without some major surgery.  In my enthusiasm to give the villagers a more fitting station, I had forgotten that whilst I had added length to the baseboard, I had also increased the length of the passing loop,  which had in turn needed a larger radius biting into the platform depth.  The new hill covering the return tunnel had taken the rock face further along the station footprint, all this meant that the passing loop now took up more width, reducing the available platform width, and the extended rock face, although not yet completed, has reduced the platform's available length.
So, I can remove the last section of rock face allowing the model to move further down towards the tunnel, I had already bought a new back scene paper to fit in with the different tunnel layout, the rock face is glued to the back scene board, but can be scraped off and sanded smooth ready for the new paper back scene to be glued in place, that just leaves the passing loop  to be modified by taking out some of the larger radius, do-able, but on top of the poor finish to the station itself, it might be simpler to buy another laser cut model of a smaller station low relief model and leave things as they are????
I'll have to have a think,
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I’ve had exactly the same problem with a low relief factory front I scratch built for my O-16.5 layout last year, Brian.

I used some cheap multi purpose spray matt varnish on it and it looks like in places, it’s bleached the Scalescenes brick paper I covered it with.

It was odd, as I’d used the spray varnish the previous year on some other Scalescenes building and it was fine, so I put it down to the fact it was cheap varnish and it had been stored over the winter in the cold garage.

It obviously wasn’t anywhere near the cost and time it’s taken you to do your station, but I was bl@@dy annoyed and know how you must feel.

In my case I was going to try and fix the problem by cladding the warehouse in embossed plastikard brickwork, but I’ve not got around to it as I’ve started experimenting in 009.



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I've had a think, and while I was thinking, which puts a great strain on my brain cells, so I try to do it as little as possible now,see what I mean, even this Emoji finds it funny.
Anyway, to get back to the painful thought processes, I noticed that when I painted on some? right at this moment, I can't for the life of me remember what I painted on the model, but stick with me, it will come to me eventually.  Don't you love these senior moments, what you don't have them, that's probably 'cos your'e not old enough yet, but when you are, your'e going to love them.

I'd hoped that if  rambled on a bit, the old memory would come to my rescue, but it hasn't.

So, I had painted on the model a well known liquid that I hoped might dissolve the Humbrol matt spray varnish, it's just come to me, Methylated Spirit., any way, it didn't, but, it did momentarily restore the washed out print colours until it evaporated.  So I thought, what if I could hold the un-evaporated state in some way, so I got a tiny bit of gloss varnish that I used to paint the river bed, and put it into a small container, and added to it some Methylated Spirit.

Now this is a white spirit thinned pigment, being thinned with an alcohol based thinner, perhaps not a brilliant idea buuuut.

I painted some of this concoction onto the outside waiting room end wall, where it would not normally be seen,and waited to see what would happen, the washed out brickwork came back to life as had happened with neat Methylated Spirit, and the varnish locked it in place, a definite Eureka moment.

This seem to have solved one of the problems, the washed out colouring of the printed card, it did nothing for the opaque windows, and it did not solve the fact that some idiot had not thought through the size of the plot that had been auctioned off in an earlier post,  (come on, keep up, I don't do all this typing for your amusement you know.) :roll:
So see what you think?

The station in its Humbrol mat spray varnish state.


The station in its new rejuvenated state using gloss and Methylated Spirit mix.



It certainly looks better although it would have been better still had I not used the gloss river varnish.
A close up view of the outside waiting area, with the roof looking much better, although I have started to make the clematis climber using a new to me technique which was destined to cover the washed out slate.



I thought you might be interested in the rear view of the model, the front platform wall lights are all glued to a length of 1mm wire, pushed and glued into the small hole where the tiny feed wires exit the lamp base, this stiff wire and the feed wires can the be pushed through a hole at the front and out the back along with the feed wires, I then pushed a round felt pad on the rigid fixing wire, smothered it with superglue , and cut off the excess, to help hold the wall light in place rather than just rely on a thin layer of glue where the base of the wall light touches the card wall.

 The lamps are LED's and require a resister in series with them to reduce the 12v feed sufficiently to not burn out the LED.  All six pairs of feed wires were then routed along the back to a central feed point with six resistors in parallel starring outwards to feed each lamp in turn.  To to insulate them, the resistors are glued to the back wall and smothered in PVA, each resistor is soldered to one of the lamp feed wires, all the commons were grouped together and soldered to the black negative.



This view also shows where I may end up slicing off outside waiting room to reduce the station's overall length to fit the available real estate if I go down that route, I have still not decided yet whether to do that,or build a smaller station, any thoughts anyone?

Kind regards,

BrianT.

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Well now you've got some colour back in your cheeks Mr Station Building and all thanks to some seriously good thinking from one of those old geezers who care much about you. However, you may still get the chop in order to remain planted and after what you've been through, I hope you stay, weathered quite expertly now if you don't mind me saying.

Say well done to Brian for me.

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Yes a vast improvement Brian to the colourisation . Now to save building a new station, yes hack off neatly the waiting room. BUT measure twice before the axe falls.

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To all the very kind members who have responded to my station cockup, with commiserations and helpful remedy suggestions, I offer my sincere thanks.

The windows do not respond to a Methylated  Spirit wash or any solvent I have to hand, and it is practically impossible to replace them, so we will have to assume that the glazing is a lost cause.

I was quite pleased that the Varnish and Methylated Spirit treatment has improved the overall looks of the model, but the more I look at the finished model in its place on my layout, even if I remove the outside waiting room, which is a relatively easy thing to do, I realise that the concept was wrong in the first place.

Fitted with its back to the backscene, it left far too much platform between the building and the platform edge to look likely, so reluctantly, I have decided to scrap it.

I am investigating a LCUT laser cut model which with the cooperation of the supplier will fit in the curve of the platform and fit in with the LCUT supplied signal box that is already made for the location of the old signal box, which has moved to the other side of the layout, along with the small waiting room.

The new building requires a small corner triangular piece removing at its left hand side, where it meets the back scene, and will lay across the large area of platform, with its right hand back corner finishing near to the signal box, this will create a small courtyard, accessible from the level crossing road for the locals to access it, and look more likely to be the creation of the time the railway was laid down.

I made a paper template of the footprint of the proposed new model as shown below.



This shows the position and the part of the model that requires removing where it impinges onto the back scene , I have sent this picture to Jakub at LCUT and asked if it was possible and I await his email reply.

So that's the state of play for the moment at Knottworthy Magna.
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BrianT

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Is anyone interested in taking the station off my hands?



It will have to be collected, any offer, just email me.



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I have just been browsing the various forums, as you do when you've nowt better to do, :lol: and I was looking at the exhibition calendar on the 009 website and got a real shock:oops:.



Some where in the back of my mind I thought that the East Midlands Groups exhibition was jangling warning bells.  I normally visit this exhibition because it is reasonably near where I live, and Roger Budd the co-organiser, visits our 009 Yorkshire group meetings near Doncaster occasionally, usually looking for willing modellers prepared to travel to Mansfield with there layout, my last visit was to exhibit Knottworthy, although of course this is an 0/16.5, 7mm narrow gauge layout.



Any way, I must have promised Roger that I would bring my 009 Rabbit layout to the show, now as you all know, I have been engrossed in the Knottworthy alterations since its visit to the Pudsey show with a friend from the 009 group who came along to help me on the day, he jokingly pointed out several disparities in the running of the Knottworthy layout, ie. it had very little operator interest really, hence my acceptance of his critiscm prompting the ongoing alterations now underway to the layout.



I once promised Roger that I would take a layout to the Mansfield show some time ago with Glen Ogle, and had to cry off because of one of my many visits to hospital for something or other, and I subsequently gave the layout away in the, so no one ever did see it in the flesh so to speak.  When I read that Brian Twigg was going to show his UNAMED 009 layout in the pre show blurb on the 009 events page, I was in a real panic.



The layout has languished in my garage for the last four or five years as I worked on Glen Ogle and then Knottworthy, and as such, has suffered from building damage, which I knew about, but I thought I had only to connect the electrics back up so it ran, then sort out the building's and scenery to be able to take it to Mansfield Portland College.

The Rabbit layout was built to please my at the time, very young Grandson, and over a period of time, had many electrical additions to the simple concept of a train bobbing in and out of tunnels as it perambulated around, with many little electrical gimmicks to keep him amused, as you do, if you can, so powering it back up, especially as I have not operated it for a considerable period of time, I suppose was never going to be as simple as I thought.

So I ambled into my garage to do the electrical work in powering it up, and oh boy, did I get a shock:shock:.

Unlike my present work, the rabbit layout is all analogue controlled, with electric points, a working wind mill. working lock gates on the canal, automatic train stop and start from a hidden siding, as one came off scene it released a stored one to replace it, there is also a double auto train stop start from off scene into the station, which when activated, changed the points from the two hidden sidings onto the main circuit and then off the main circuit and into the station bay platform, and automatic colour light signals everywhere.:roll:

The control panel is a pull out slide drawer on the front of the layout with lots of LED's, outlining the track diagram, point switches, section switches and gismo control switches, all connected with multicore cables to allow the drawer to slide in and out of its hidey hole.

The electric for all this was fed to the base board via an eight way Din plug and socket, from a home made power source with triple transformers, rectifiers and CDU capacitors, for the various voltages, and AC or DC as required at various voltages.

This power source has been altered, probably for Glen Ogle in its early build days, when that too was going to be analogue, and is no longer exactly as required for the rabbit layout, and I am puzzled why I used an eight way DIN plug, as potentially, only six wires would have been required from the triple power source enclosed.

So I have to check the wiring to find out what does what, and as usual, most of the  the wiring is under the base board except for the relays, timing module and some other bits which are accessible as they are mounted on the layouts back scene board, the base board is only 4' x 2' (1220 x 600mm) so is not particularly heavy, I had a quick peak underneath to see what's what, shuddered and lowered it to its trestle stand:cry:.

There is a lot of work involved in wire tracing and power supply modifications required before the first train is able to run on the layout, and that is without all the scenery repairs to do.:hmm  WHOOPEE, I've got four weeks to the show, any help would be appreciated.

Onward and upwards as they say.

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BrianT.

  








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Clear sheeting for Windows that has been given a coat of matt or semi varnish can usually be brought back to almost transparent with a coat of gloss.

I rather liked the grey weathering, must be a cement works close by.

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As you can appreciate now, Knottworthy Magna is on the back burner while I try to sort out the newly named "Burrowby Underhill" for the 009 show at Mansfield in July.

If you want to follow my agonies with Burrowby, I will start a new thread so named.

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