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It has taken a while, over a year in fact, since moving back to the UK before I have been able to start work on a new project.  The down-sizing exercise has been significant.  From a 34-metre outdoor layout to a single room which has to function as bedroom, office, workroom and now layout space as well.  

Waddlemarsh will represent a fictional small freight transfer yard with a backwater SR electric passenger service located somewhere in the SW of London / Middlesex and drawing some inspiration from the likes of Feltham, Morden milk depot and others.  There will be a nod to Waddon Marsh though there is no intention to represent this location.  The time period will largely be mid-1960s with a little flexibility either way.  

That will permit the operation of SR steam and early BR blue side by side though green will be the dominant colour scheme.  Freights will arrive from and depart to all other areas changing traction in the yard and bringing in classes familiar to the ER and LMR plus, of course, my large fleet of WR types. There will also be appearances from types more closely associated with Scotland as the class 26 locomotives were originally delivered to the ER before migrating (or being banished) north of the border.  Class 17 locos never ran in London but under Rule 1 they will appear at Waddlemarsh on days when other personal favourites are also in operation.  Electric passenger services will be in the hands of 2Bil units with the occasional appearance of 2Hal and 4Cep types.  There will also be guest appearances from the Brighton Belle in 1967 guise alongside the as-new 4TC in early BR blue which also appeared late in 1967.

The layout is under construction after a very tricky exercise in logistics.  The fiddle yard is the upper surface of the library book shelf upon which it has been possible to fit nine sidings.  The two baseboards which were built, powered and tested with another project in mind around 12 years ago in Australia form the main scenic areas.  These were track-laid to fi end-to-end but are now at right-angles to each other around the room with a new board between to accommodate the corner.  This will result in some slight alteration to the originally-laid tracks but not much.  Everything has been squeezed in and fits by a millimetre here, two there and with nothing spare.  The cat won't let me swing him but he assures me there is no room to do so in any case.

Operation will be straight DC on a layout which is intended to only be a rather temporary thing set up in a rented room and which cannot be fixed in any way to walls or floor.  It relies for its integrity upon the tight fit around the L-shape and some basic bracing and support.  Track as laid is code 75 electrofrog which, because much of it is already wired and proven, will be retained.  The fiddle yard, and a hidden storage behind the goods yard for two electric trains, will however be in code 100 because I hold stock of both plain track and points so further expenditure is not necessary.  All that has been required was the very modest purchase of some SL-113 transition track pieces which will be / are fitted where the code 75 viewing area runs off-scene to code 100 storage.  Frog witching is by Peco standard accessory switches mounted beneath the usual clip-in motors.

In order to accommodate a 4-car train in what will be an SR-style halt the passenger station will be on one board and the goods area on the other with a 90-degree curve between them.  I intend to minimise the effect of this through careful use of scenery and by hiding the passenger line through the curve and taking it to the two-road reversing sidings mentioned above behind the main scenics.  

Control will be from a front-mounted controller, the Morley Vortrak reclaimed from Penhayle Bay, and an array of point and signal levers.  Those who saw my previous layout will find that set-up familiar.  A small number of functional Dapol signals will be included.

Now to arrange for some pictures.

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The pencil-sketch track plan I am working to.  It has been possible to fit nine sidings in the main fiddle yard of which four will feed the passenger line and five the freight.  The twin-track hidden storage for electric trains behind the freight area is clearly marked.  As track laying progresses I am making on-the-fly changes to minimise the effect of the right-angle bends around the room although one track, on the tightest curve, will be restricted to short wheelbase shunting locomotives only.




And a trio of views showing the general placement of tracks in the main fiddle yard (occupied by a Maunsell twin-set and three Brighton Belle trailers), the future site of Waddlemarsh Halt occupied by the 4TC unit and with some representative freight movements apparently taking place.










What appears to be an angle-poise lamp is exactly that.  It illuminates my desk and work area and will illuminate the fiddle yard when the scenic break eventually goes in.

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A short video showing the general arrangement of things around the room including how the layout, desk and bed are all interlaced.  There really is very little space indeed and I am asking a lot to get this much layout into so small an area.  



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It's taking shape, Rick. Once you can run that first train, the inspiration should flow even more.

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Hey great to see you've started on a new project Rick.  I only saw the trailing end of Penhayle, so will be great to see your progress on your new layout. You have a real knack for capturing the "real" aspect and bringing it alive.
Penhayle was easily my favourite layout on here is a massive inspiration to Teasel bay (I hope that is ok?). I look forwards to watching Waddlemarsh grow.

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Yes, good to see you back into it Rick.

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And good to finally be using those points you helped wire up all those years ago Sol. And also the ones I bought from Max are finally being put to use. 
If anything I do inspires others then that is indeed very satisfying.  There is certainly no copyright on that so go forth and model! 

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There has been progress.  Not all of it forwards.  I have started wiring the new points and crossover which required the purchase of a new soldering iron.  It worked perfectly for 30 minutes and then died.  I have not been able to return to the shop and exchange it until today but exchange it they did without question.  More wiring can now take place over the Bank Holiday weekend.
 
The track plan has been modified slightly from the original sketch and no doubt will continue to be modified as I fit things in.  The two-road shed area on the goods yard board will now be a single road serving the merchant's store as had been intended when I first designed and built this board for another project years ago.  It will instead gain a kick-back siding to a small servicing shed.
 
The goods line has been pinned into its final position and has the N-class standing on it in the photo below.  The goods headshunt remains in its final position, as built previously, but now singled. This has the Warwell leading the freight parked on it in the picture.
 

 
Another view looking into the office / workstation area with the fiddle yard on the shelf behind the computer and the bed base above.  This will not be the layout operating area however - that will be installed on the edge of the baseboard in front of Waddlemarsh Halt.
 

 
And another video clip which shows that some progress is indeed being made even if it looks like spaghetti everywhere.  It's at that stage of things!  This is also a full 360-degree view around the room and gives perhaps a better idea of how everything is squeezed in both on the layout and in the room in what has been generously described as "Masterful use of space".



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What to do on a wet Bank Holiday weekend?  Fix the two hidden sidings which will form the run-off for the electric passenger trains.  These two sidings will be concealed behind the backscene of the freight facility and will give the impression of a through route without the need to run the same train out and back every time. 

The required length was for a five-car unit or loco-plus-four which as can be seen has been achieved.  The closely spaced tracks and the very tight clearance behind the upright posts are of no consequence as these are hidden sidings.  

Four views which show the overall track plan taking shape on this board and which is surprisingly close to being completed, the twin run-off tracks for electric trains which are occupied here by the three trailer cars of the Brighton Belle (the motor coaches are due for release any day now) and a 4TC unit with a class 33/1 loco tucked away at the far end.  Apart from the length of the board it is these two 5-vehicle trains which require the given length of siding though for the most part 2-car or 4-car trains will be the rule on passenger workings.

The proximity to the window is apparent and trains moving along the outer siding will brush the net curtain but in tests have not snagged it.  The back scene will be a pre-printed photographic panel mounted on MDF and simply slotted into position.  Of the three posts only the two outer ones are fixed while the third will be glued to the MDF and allow the back scene to be lifted in or out as required and located between the outer posts.  As this layout is being built almost entirely from materials already to hand the posts are simply random offcuts from the baseboard legs and their differing heights will not matter in this situation.

The slim pole, visible where the net has been drawn back in order to show it, which alters the angle of dangle for the venetian blind must be accessible limiting the height of the backscene but not severely so.  I will also need access to those hidden sidings should anything go awry.








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Rick I presume this is 00 gauge as you had before?   (Being an N gauger myself I can't help thinking this might have been more suitable for you in this much smaller space).Anyway, whatever scale it is it looks great!
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Yes this is OO.  I considered N gauge but the boards were already built and part-wired from years ago, I have most of the rolling stock required already and I have a stock of track and parts for OO.  So the new layout will be built at fairly minimal cost as opposed to going for the smaller gauge which would have required significant outlay and the scrapping of some work already done by myself and a couple of others.


I'm not an oldie by any means but I do notice a slight deterioration in eyesight and a definite lack of hand-eye co-ordination practice with some of the tasks so sticking to a larger scale helps there too.

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I should probably add also that since this is my first venture into the land of electrofrog points, though still driving DC, that some of the track will not be pinned down until it has been electrically tested and I am happy with the operation.  That should avoid any need to undo work later if I find things are wired / insulated incorrectly.

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That first moment at which the tracks are connected end to end. Only this inner curve for now and nothing is yet firmly fixed until the electrics can be tested. 

This will be the shunting line and theoretically open only to short wheelbase locos. However with a radius of slightly more guesstimetres than I had anticipated it seems even a Merchant Navy can cope. 



Although the bogie swing on the Bulleid diesel is a bit unrealistic this too happily runs through the curve.  It’s green and never wore that livery while based on the Southern but it will appear at times on freights to or from the LMR. As such it has its headsignal discs set for the route via Kew Junctions and Acton (one end) and via the West London Line and Willesden (other end). 


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An afternoon session today saw track laying completed on this board, which is the freight handling area, though not the wiring which is still some way off.  
I have allowed for realistic shunt and shed moves with DC operation by installing insulating joiners and will have switchable current as required.  The kick-back siding which will lead to a shed has three separate electrical sections and the far right siding next to the upright posts has a section at its dead end which can be isolated to retain a loco in place and allow a train to be drawn out by another at the leading end.

The main arrivals road has a loco-release facility and that in turn has a short headshunt to accommodate a tank engine or diesel shunter as required. The other long road, second from the left, is intended to be a departure road with stock placed by the duty shunter then the train collected by its loco; this therefore does not require a dead section at the far end.




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Coming on great Rick,
I think all the thought into dead areas for shunting is brilliant. Going to give you lots of little switches to control!

Might not comment on all your posts but definitely reading them!

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Nice to see some progress Rick.
Following along.

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It’s alive!!! With a temporary power supply rigged up the first train has moved under its own power at Waddlemarsh.

The controller is the Morley Vortrak salvaged from Penhayle Bay and which has spent 15 years outdoors (and suffered a little for that) though three of its four independant outputs still work.

I have also been able to check that everything purchased since Penhayle Bay closed actually works. It does. And I am particularly impressed with the little Heljan class 07 dock shunters of which two are now in my collection.

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A rolling start is a very important event then Rick - well done so far.

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The most important part of any layout is to get something moving.
Doesn't matter what & how long the track is.
Just to get something moving is an achievement & gives confidence going forward :Happy

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amdaley wrote: The most important part of any layout is to get something moving.
Doesn't matter what & how long the track is.
Just to get something moving is an achievement & gives confidence going forward :Happy


Yeah, wot 'e sed!

Good progress, Rick, and I agree that once you get something moving, the inspiration should keep flowing.

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More sections of track have been powered up and used. Some of the track is still not pinned down as I need to fully wire up and complete a full electrical test before going past the point of no return. It would be frustrating, to say the least, if I had everything nicely fixed and then discovered a short or a dead spot.

A little more rolling stock has also arrived. I always promised myself when Hornby first released their Brighton Belle units that if they ever did one in 1960s livery (Pullman but with a small yellow panel) I would have one. They have, and I now own a 5-car unit which has run up an down no more than its own length so far but looks the business and so far as I can tell is correct in all the important details.

No photos yet but hopefully through the weekend when I also intend to have at least the first section of backscene fitted up.

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3way points and crossovers 🤪 your brave I hate wiring them but once done right they are awesome. Great progress mate

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A track-laying session this afternoon has resulted in progress. All five curves are now in place and are as good as it’s going to get in a tight space. 

Getting five lines around a right-angle took a little ingenuity in terms of spacing and what connected to where but the effect is, I think, adequate. 

The two outer tracks will ultimately be concealed behind the backscene.  The 4TC occupies the Up and the 5Bel the Down passenger lines which to the right will serve Waddlemarsh Halt and to the left continue to reach the pair of concealed sidings. Rather than occupy space with a crossover here the line singles briefly making use of double-curve points. 

Metropolitan electric loco no.12  “Sarah Siddons” and the GWR Siphon G vans are on the connection between passenger line and goods yard. This is only connected to the Down passenger line but Up trains will be able to leave and cross over at the London end of the halt. 

Eastern Region diesels of classes 16 and 20 are on the freight line. This will pass in front of the halt on its own alignment meaning freight has the option to use this or the passenger lines. 

Finally the duty shunting engine fusses with wagons on the inner curve which leads to the shunting neck (right) and the goods shed and siding (left).

The controller is placed where I intend it to go but it may be possible to fit it below rather than on the baseboard. 





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Looks to be a nice, compact, operationally interesting layout.

Nice one. :)

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It certainly has to be compact!  It is interwoven with the furniture in what is bedroom, office, library and workroom.  It took most of a year before I had figured out exactly how it was even going to fit in.  Factor in the minor detail of it being a rental property meaning I cannot fix anything to the walls or change the floor covering (which is loop-pile carpet) and it also has to be self-supporting and level enough to allow smooth operation.

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Well chaps it has been a while.  Progress has been one step forward and the other step back.  It might be time to seek a new hobby.
Issues I am currently trying to resolve are:-
Not all the rolling stock is happy with the curve radii;
Not all the rolling stock, none of which has pizza-cutters fitted, is happy traversing perfectly brand new points;
Apparently random areas of the layout will run when power is applied but large areas do not;
Fixing one short introduces another;
The points are of various batches and seem to require wiring differently but I am not sure why or how;
Until I can get the full layout correctly powered I cannot move on to ballasting and scenic work.

Here's the track plan.  It might have been easier had I drawn this using two lines, one for each rail, but I didn't.  To my mind using DC and electrofrog points I need to supply power to the toe-end of each point.  As the points have frog-switching and bonded blades the frog wires are clipped to avoid shorts.

Yet shorts there are a-plenty and no-power areas.  And for the life of me I cannot work out why a point which has the frog wires removed and is bonded and switched as per Peco's wiring diagram is still shorting ....

If I had hair it would have been torn out.  I have just spent yet another afternoon achieving negative progress and am about ready to say a very rude word indeed.


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Hi Rick

I have been following on RMWeb and I hoped your shorting problems had been solved by clipping the connecting wires to the frog.........is this not the case?

It would help if you could add to the track diagram a symbol to show all the insulated rail joiners like this              II

Then add arrows or triangles on each side of the track showing each power feed. Fill in the triangles for positive and leave triangles for common empty.

If it is possible to isolate say Track A it will be easiest to start with a diagram of that and get that running

Slow steady testing and by a process of elimination we will get it sorted.

I imagine Max and Ron will be along shortly

Best wishes

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Hello John,
Sadly the shorting problems, which Ian Morton is also weighing in on for me, are not entirely related to the frog wires.  I found a couple of points with unclipped wires and removed them which resulted in some routes then having power which did not before.  But having restored those points I now find I have shorts in other places!  

As and when I get  a chance I can hopefully present a better track plan.  There are some IRJs already in use and I may need more - or indeed less - and all points have current fed at the toe.

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Sorry to hear your having shorting problems Rick.

No easy answer when you get that condition, if the track is not pinned properly is it not possible to isolate sections of track to tie down which area at least is causing the problem.
Insulated rail joiners can help greatly in electrically dividing up the layout into sections which may help you.

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I have sent you a pm

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Hi Rick,


Looks interesting. One observation I can offer is that a brand new 3-way electrofrog in code 100 needed the frogs and blades "adjusting". Close inspection at x10 showed why. The frogs were not in line with the closure rails, pizza cutters under gauge bounced through fine as the guard rail did it's job and the tread missed the end of the frog, RP-25 wheels to gauge not so. The point blades were also a tad too long and not sitting against the rail. It is worthwhile going over them with a magnifying glass. Peco  live frogs by their design have to be spot on, these were not.The long side if the frogs was too long, that ensured they were not in line.

If stock is derailing on those curves check the BTB and whether the bogies and wheels are limited in their swing. Many are. Some judicious filing is often called for.

I avoid DC, but going over the track with a multimeter and checking that gaps are actually insulated (resistance mode) and that there is  continuity  (idem) where it should be is often illuminating. 
 

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Gents

Thanks for your comments and messages.  All of which will be taken on board and some fresh thinking will be applied next time I have an hour or two for the layout.

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Gents (and all others present).

It has been a very long time since I visited. In that time the layout has largely sat gathering dust and sometimes having the dust removed. The electrical issues which defy my understanding simply refuse to go away no matter what I do.

There are other things now in play. We both had a troublesome winter health-wise and at one time were both laid up together which wasn't fun. Thank goodness for supermarkets who deliver and online ordering of almost anything.

I recovered slowly through Spring and am more or less back on my feet now. The Good Lady has developed some mental health issues which have set her back many times as she tries to progress her career, studies and personal life. She also has some ongoing medical problems which are driving her anxiety and not helping her random panic attacks. It is a combination of all those things which have led to her asking that I not be away from her side except during working hours in case of need. That is a whole new ball-game for which we don't know the rules. She is receiving professional support and has a list of appointments with various people coming up. Things seem to be improving very slowly day by day but can be set back without any warning for no apparent reason.

The layout has been he last thing on my mind and has received very little in the way of attention until now.

This week is the first of two comprising my Summer leave (!!) and with her requirements in mind my planned travels have largely been cancelled. Instead I have addressed the matter of why the layout shorts every time I power up no matter what I do. I simply don't understand how it can short, for example, with a power feed to a dead end and nothing else on the line. But undercoating of the baseboards has commenced and there remains a will to fix up the why and wherefore of the electrics. I should be simple enough. My problem is that I don't know why it isn't working.

On the positive side I have been able to attend the opening of Kernow MRC's new Guildford branch and came away with a decent haul of goodies. I also have five days-worth of weathering demonstrations booked in the next two months and have therefore invested in mew rolling stock (which I really don't need) in order to have sufficient to demonstrate with. Some may later be sold on.

I could put up a picture here but there's really nothing more to see. When there is I'll be busy with the camera as I once was before.

See you about. Keep smiling.

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Hi Rick

Glad to see that you are back modelling.  I too went to Kernow and was mightily impressed - my bank manager less so!!

I'm no expert (despite comments elsewhere) but I too run DC so happy to offer any advice on the shorts when you get back to them.  I notice Peco point motors so my first check might be that the frog switching is correct (are you using the motor-mounted switches?).  Also, I have had issues where I cut the blade-frog rail connections only to find that they were still making a connection!!

Kind regards

Barry

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It seems you're having a rough time of things Rick - I hope things soon improve for you.  Mental health problems are something most of us can't even begin to understand but I can imagine that, being so far from "home", will not be helping Sharon.  At least she's getting some professional help.

Regarding your weathering demonstrations, have you thought of doing "commissions" at them.  Constantly buying stock just to do the demos will quickly drain your coffers and selling on, whilst recouping some of your outlay, might still involve a "loss" on the original purchase..  You could try, on here for example, to offer a service whereby, for the price of the stock, plus a very small additional fee, you'd weather for other people.  I'm thinking maybe, "they" could fund the stock pre-demo, you weather it at a demo and post it on afterwards.  Yes, "they'd" have to wait a few days or so for delivery, but it would be weathered at minimal cost and you'd have a guaranteed no-loss sale plus your supply of stock to use .............................  Just a thought. :hmm

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Hello,
As a fellow metal health sufferer i feel for your wife. The panic attacks of which i have had many over the last 40 years, were then and still now a frightening experience. You would not think that your own body would turn on you in this way and inflict such pain. I wish her well and hope the journey to health will be a short one. No advice about the electrics I'm affraid its all a black art to me. Chin up.
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Many thanks for the support in all its forms.  It is much appreciated.
Barry - I am using frog switching and all is correct.  Everything wired according to the instructions and mostly working as it should.  

Petermac - I do sometimes take ad hoc commissions at events though not considering myself a professional have been a little reluctant to do so.  The feedback I have always had regarding my weathering has been good (or sometimes better) and if I had anywhere I could use as a workbench I could make more progress.  As it is I am limited by having to work outdoors (nothing new there - except the weather!) because I cannot risk spilling weathering powder or paint onto a pale carpet in a rented flat and in such light as is available.  The next event is at Hayle MRC Exhibition (confirmed verbally at this stage so fingers crossed) over the late May long weekend.  With a certain retailer based not five miles up the road from there I should have no difficulty sourcing stock.  Whether I could sell it is another matter.  Not many of Cornwall's finest pop into a local show willing to part with £40 or more for a coach, £20 for a small wagon or close to £200 for a locomotive.

GreenBR - thanks it is always good to know you are not alone.  We have some support and things are turning around but this could be a long road.

Aussietrains - we don't.  That bed is mine.  I might be 62 next week but I'm still pretty fit and athletic so up and down a ladder isn't an issue for me.  We don't share, and haven't done so for some years, purely by choice though it began when I was seriously ill in Australia and needed a lot of quiet rest following some treatment.  I also work shifts so having my own bed means not waking the other half at some very unsocial hours indeed.

And now the good news.  Today I removed everything from the layout and started checking methodically from joint to joint, point to point to see what was amiss.  The mysterious short where I have a power feed at the toe of a point but the other end is a dead-end has had me stumped for ages.  Nothing seemed to fix it and no-one could explain it.  Mid-morning today I fixed it!!!  I am using Peco pre-wired joiners for power supply in most places and have a pair of them placed between two points feeding both toes.  Quite by chance a loco bridged the join while under power and stopped. I checked the joint and one of the joiners was not supplying current.  I don't know why.  It was a sung fit and not damaged but might possibly have a broken wire in the sheathing.  So after many months of frustration and blue air I replaced that small piece and GUESS WHAT - IT WORKS!!!!!

I also traced another short to a back-feed between two points so inserting an IRJ in one ral between those has fixed that problem as well.  I learned too that I only need one IRJ not a pair when creating isolated sections of track in sidings, though I still need them on both rails to ensure crossovers don't short out.  So I have been trying to wire and switch in a more complex manner than is necessary.  

I have some push-to-make switches ready wired which I used to test the isolation in the sidings.  This will work better with on-off switches but I don't have many right now and none are wired.  But I was able to prove that of all the track currently laid everything (subject to a final-fix wiring of the double-slip and adding the required switches) actually does work.  There is more to do at the other end of the layout but lessons learned will be applied there and hopefully make things easier.

So ..... I can move on to final-fix wiring and final pin-down of the track much of which is unpinned to allow for the language, frustration and repeated changes I have been making.  

Progress is being made.  




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Hi Rick,

I'm sorry to hear that life has been difficult with you and your partner and sincerely hope that things may improve and give you more happy times to enjoy.

Good news with your methodical approach in finding and fixing the fault and getting trains running again. You sound like a much happier modeller, which brings smiles to us all.

Well done and sincere best wishes for happier times ahead.

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:patheadWell done Rick. Electrics - tick. Final plan - tick. Track fixed - tick. 
Onwards and upwards!! :pathead

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Well its all been said really,  I do hope that things improve for you both, mental problems are a cruel blow .
I can only pray for you and wish you good luck Rick.  Please try to not be too long in posting ,anything will do.

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Having satisfied myself that the electrics work on at least half the layout I can move right along.  Today, without any ceremony, the first ballast was laid on Waddlemarsh.  Not a great deal but it has been a few years since I did any serious ballasting and for this layout I am using a finer ballast than previously.  I wanted to check I still had my "hand in".  It seems to be OK.  

I also began the task of weathering the goods shed - not completed yet - and have placed it more or less where it will end up for effect.  


The photos are on the SLR.  I am in the process of changing over computers so am not uploading any more images onto this one.  I should have the changeover completed and pictures available in the next couple of days.

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Nice, Rick. I'm glad you are getting back into things. I hope you and Sharon can overcome the health problems too. Wishing you both well.

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Folks,

Waddlemarsh continues to advance slowly but surely.  I have been unable to access this site for a few weeks but thanks to the intervention of Alan, Martin and a good dose of Reynard's Disease at the keyboard I am finally back in.


There is a slight hiatus in photos being available as I have removed all images from the old computer as part of the changeover to the new one.  I am therefore not uploading any for now but there should be a photo update soon.


About half of the required area is ballasted with some ground cover having been added at the same time.  There is now a protective board between the layout and curtain preventing the latter snagging on rolling stock and also preventing any derailed stock from falling to the window-ledge or floor.  The first part of the backscene - which has been placed before and is seen in earlier photos - is now fixed in position.


Train movements continue on a test basis with me being happier now that most moves work as intended and others will do so once I have the insulated joiner switches wired up.


My attention has been diverted in two other directions recently.  We have been advised by our commercial landlord that they have sold the block we live in.  This has caused some concern as we were unaware of the intentions of the new owner and might have been out on our ears at the end of next March when our tenancy renews.  Today we received an emailed statement suggesting this will not be the case.  While that isn't "in writing" it is often as good as "in writing" gets in this electronic age.


In addition my wife has been increasingly unwell of late and has a stay in hospital booked starting next Monday.  This should be for routine surgery and recovery but one never quite knows what may be found.  On the positive side she has managed her anxiety very well recently without medication (which she has available) and whilst unwell and apprehensive she could be a lot worse.


In addition, as if that wasn't enough, I have been quite busy with the weathering roadshow which now goes out under the name of Penhayle Weathering.  Seven dates have been or are in the diary for the year the next of which is next Saturday 13th July at the Twickenham & District MRC Open Day.  The feedback I have had - and the immediate re-bookings - suggest I am getting something right.  


See you again soon and thanks for the support.
Rick


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Hi Rick
Good to hear from you again.... sorry to hear about the problems but some silver linings in there too.  Look forward to your photographic updates...

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Glad you are making progress, Rick, and also that the roof over your heads sounds as if it will continue.

Please wish Sharon well from Agnes and me for her surgery.


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Pleased you are now again making progress on the layout Rick.
I have noticed a few of your facebook posts about the weathering demo`s i saw you did the Hayle show.

Lets hope the health issues disapear after the surgery and you get that all important continued tenancy agreement.


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Hey Rick. 
Sorry to hear of your issues but glad you are getting some time on Waddlemarsh even if it is progressing slowly. 

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Gents,

Thank you for your kind comments.  I had been booked to do a weathering demonstration for the Hayle MRC August show as well but this is looking less likely now as I shall probably need to be at home looking after my wife.  I have yet to formally advise Hayle of this as it won't be a definite decision for a week or two so those of you who may be, or know, members I am trusting to keep this private for now.


I shall most certainly pass on the best wishes and greetings to Sharon who is about to endure a week of pre-operative dietary restrictions in addition to the normal stresses involved in anticipating surgery.


There is some ballasting to be done over coming days and I intend that for the next session I shall set up the camera to film the process and post the result at some time.  As this would be a video running for perhaps 10 - 15 minute sit will be posted by way of a YouTube or SmugMug link rather than directly on this site.


The tentative plan is that with at least two weeks of being home as much as possible to provide care that during this time I shall do my utmost to also join the wires and fit switches to the control panel which will take the layout several big steps closer to being a working whole.  I also need to pack up and put away the stock currently residing on it which is not intended to run on it (out of era or area, or both) and which is largely my weathering demonstration stock.  I should then be able to see the wood for the trees!

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Give my best to Sharon, Rick & you look after yourself so you can look after Sharon.

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Thank you Sol I will on both counts.  And it's good to hear from you again.

The threatened ballasting video has been made and uploaded.  I'll link to it here and create its own topic for wider enjoyment.


Definitely not the definitive "how to ballast" and not even "How I ballast" but more like "How I ballasted this bit today".  With a little bit of green ground cover thrown in.


https://youtu.be/viaLRIq09Eo

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More moving trains. Including the bits I ballasted and greened yesterday. If it doesn’t start please click on the image to play. You are allowed to ignore the bits lying around and the temporary wire powering an otherwise dead section. 

Two locos which both carried 33xxx numbers for some of their lives help each other into the yard. Which, if either, has failed is open to your imagination. On the far siding an M7 has brought in a rake of empty wagons which are then draw out to the headshunt by the duty shunter in this case a class 03. 

https://gwiwer.smugmug.com/ModelRailway-1/Model-railway-videos/n-S4bmc/i-WTgsVVf

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It's good to see some movement, Rick, and you have a really good variety of stock, nicely weathered to your usual standards.

As to that extra wire, this is the Southern Region, so just paint it dirty brown and leave it where it is.  :cool wink

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I saw at least 2 class 41`s there Rick

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All of the six released “class 41” locos, which  BR WR described as “D6xx”, are owned. Only five were built but in response to demand one has been released in two different liveries. 
The designation Class 41 appears to have been first used after these locos were withdrawn and when the two types of D8xx “Warship” became classes 42 and 43 very late in their lives. 


Class numbers were a precursor to computerised record-keeping which in its turn arrived later still but in time to have some of the D1xxx “Western” and D7xxx “Hymek” locos entered onto the TOPS database. They used their running numbers and never wore numbers in the 52xxx or 35xxx (respectively) series. Popularly known as Westerns or Hymeks, just as the 6xx and 8xx were known as “Warships” they were very seldom referred to by their class numbers. 


The same is true for the other WR hydraulic type, the D95xx, which were assigned class 14. Popularly known as “Teddybears” they were all withdrawn well before TOPS five-digit numbers were in use. One carries a non-authentic 14xxx number and BR blue livery in preservation. 


It is a moot point as to whether the Westerns would have carried 52xxx numbers had they lasted much longer. Officially they were never renumbered because they carried cast number plates and were not expected to last beyond 1972/3.  In the end they had a few more years service to offer due to late arrival of replacement stock.and a need for something with more grunt than a class 25 on the Cornish china clay trains. 

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Looking good!

I think I saw that you are going to be at the T&DMRC open day at Kerswell next Saturday so I will drop in and say hello.

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Yes indeed I am booked to give weathering demonstrations at the Twickenham & District MRC Open Day this coming Saturday.  Look for the stone viaduct display unit and the Penhayle Bay totem. 

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Yep! Good to see trains running on the newly ballasted track!  I'm also pleased to see that I am not the only one who seems to have several "projects" on the go at once on the layout....

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Twickenham went well.

They have asked me back to give more detailed advice and instruction to their club members on a date or dates to be decided in the autumn.


Ballasting of the remaining sections of Waddlemarsh should continue through the coming week but first I have to accompany SWMBO to (and hopefully back from) hospital tomorrow for a surgical procedure.  Once she is home resting I will not be able to make noise which will limit drilling and hammering but should permit soldering and ballasting.

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A very important hole has just been bored. 
Why so important?  Because this marks the start of signalling the layout. With ballasting well in hand I need this signal in place before completing the groundwork in the area. 

It’s another step forward. And something else to wire up when I’m not allowed to make noise. 


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These are Dapol signals which have their own inbuilt 9v motors. If wiring to a 12v supply it is necessary to include some sort of resistance to prevent excess current blowing the motors. They were once thought ok for 12v DC and 16v AC but large numbers of motor burn-outs have caused the manufacturer to recommend 9v DC only. 

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Sorry Rick

What i meant was what are you controlling the signals with i.e and infra red switch or something or some other control board or or you operating them manually with a switch.


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Hi Rick

It was good to see you and your weathering items at Twickenham on Saturday.

I bought some of the Dapols and managed to blow them up.  When I as down in Hampshire I went to The Engine Shed where the chief man made a few choice comments about the Dapol product.  He recommended a particular power transformer that they used on their demonstration layout and I bought one.  The signals have worked perfectly ever since.  I bought cheap at first and paid the price of fried signals.  The new transformer was £20 and can power 5 or 6 units I think.  Well worth the investment, especially as I see the new Dapol Junction signals are on the horizon.

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Good to meet you too Barry. Thank you for dropping by and chatting.  I met quite a number of people some of whom I know from RMweb and Facebook. The day was busy - easily the busiest demonstration day so far - with barely a pause from start to finish and sometimes four or five interested parties all watching me at work. 

The Dapol signals will be  controlled as they were on Penhayle Bay namely with Peco lever switches and powered from the Morley Vortrak auxiliary output. Though I shall have to find a way of stepping down the voltage. On the Bay they were powered at 12v and a couple burned out and were replaced. The junction signals so far announced are GWR pattern so of no use to me here. The only signal requiring a route indication may be fitted with a Traintech “feather” if I can be satisfied that will work.   It will require nothing more than an on-off switch. 


The distance from controller to signal will also be more like 1m compared with as much as 15m previously. Meaning there is less scope for voltage drop and,  l hope, no need to develop a “long pull” technique of holding the switch at its mid-point for a second to allow the current to travel to the signal!  

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You should be able to step down the voltage with simple resistors in the line Rick.


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Work continues. A little more ballasting has been done. The "electric" lines through where the station will be built have been straightened against a steel rule and pinned down. I already have plenty of Code 60 rail and plastic "pots" to represent the juice rail though this will only be dummy. It only needs to be visible for about the length of six coaches and it isn't worth the large amount of very intricate work which would be required to make it live and have properly powered SR trains. Besides which the pick-up shoes on Bachmann, Hornby and Dapol items are all in different positions and would require micro-surgery to be converted to live operation. Hopefully more pictures soon.

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You could always save yourself the worry Rick by modelling LNER/LMS .............................. :mutley

Are the "pots" a bought in item or have you made them ?

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The "pots" are a Peco item, product code IL-120, and are designed to accept their Code 60 rail.  This gives a reasonable representation of SR-style conductor rail when using Code 75 or 100 running rail though is not a perfect profile.  Black-sheathed wire of the type we often use on our layouts will be used to represent the heavy-duty cables associated with third-rail electrification.

As the modelled location is largely a freight transfer location somewhere south-west of London it will feature LMR and ER (NER) motive power but alas for Petermac not the LMS / LNER steam he might wish for.


The only steam will be SR types with the exception of a couple of GWR pannier-tanks and one of those wears London Transport maroon livery.


Tonight's little victory was getting the three-way point to the fiddle yard test-fitted and with that in place a loco was run under power from one end of the layout to the other without stalling or needing a push over dead spots.   


The next hurdle is to persuade the crossover-with-slip (three points plus a single-slip diamond custom-built into one unit for me) to pass current as intended.  If that works I'll have a fully-powered layout at last.




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Slow and steady progress continues to be made. Today the ten road fiddle yard had all its tracks trimmed to length and placed in position. These may be glued to the cork or simply left unfixed - I'm not sure yet which will happen. They don't need to be fixed for any reason. They cannot be track-pinned as they rest on top of a shelf unit which forms part of my office / library set-up.

When fully operational I intend to fit uncoupling ramps at the inner ends of all these roads. This will permit the manual removal removal of a loco with just a lift. As these will be hidden roads and I am using loop couplers I can use the basic spring-loaded ramps without need of magnets or anything fancy.

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A 10 road fiddle yard with nothing glued down Rick - you've got to tell me more !!


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The cork provides enough friction to keep the tracks where they should be.  As there is no ballast or decoration the occasional minute movement is of little consequence.  I might end up using PVA in a few key spots but for now this works.

Two images show the set-up.  One is a simple end-on view taken from where the scenic break will be placed and the other at an angle to illustrate the compact site with computer, desk, library shelf (one of several!) and above it all the bed at the height of just five feet from the floor requiring a well-rehearsed duck to get into the work space!





And they seem to be sideways.  I cannot fix this problem as it is an incompatibility between iPhone and YMRC software.  Both were taken upright and uploaded upright but display sideways.  

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I see what you're doing now Rick.  Will you have some kind of edge guard on the right hand one ?  :shock:

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I shall probably need one.  My favoured option currently is to use strips of foam board lightly glued to the edge of the shelf.  
In other news ballasting continues and I have reached the stage of filling in the awkward bits around points and crossings where the necessary holes in the baseboard also require some card shimmed in around the motors.


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The days have turned darker and damper meaning there is less incentive to pursue "outside" interests and a little more time to get on with the layout.  

Recent quite modest works have seen the yard crane fitted to its final position, with the base units glued and ground work completed.  The uprights and gantry are demountable and will remain demounted while the layout is in-build in order to avoid damage and permit ready access to the tracks behind.  Related work has seen the good shed weathering completed (including the breaking of a couple of windows - done with a 0.7mm bit in the pin-vice) and the painting of the access road which is nothing more than a mix of Woodland Scenics paints though in part these have been applied over fine ballast.  

The wagon is an Oxford Rail "Warwell" carrying a Kernow MRC commissioned compressor and shunted by a Heljan class 07 loco.  All of course carry my own weathering.  In the wider shot without the crane two vans carry my weathering over the factory-applied coating though the chalk details are as manufactured and not my additions.






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Most photos for me too go the wrong way from my phone, I have to put them in the computer first. 

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Photos off the phone seem to post sideways no matter what I do.  I have to persuade them to "forget" their origin (no doubt something in the code) and make them believe they came from a real camera.  Those from the DSLR and bridge cameras never have this problem.  The technique for phone pics is a slightly time-consuming upload via the computer to SmugMug and then downloading back to the computer before using the upload link on this site.  

Meanwhile the layout proceeds very slowly along and I have now to understand the wiring requirements for a piece of specially-built pointwork.  This is a scissors crossover but with one of the four points being a double-slip diamond.  It allows two tracks to feed three sidings with entry and exit available in any direction.  Once that is working and pinned down the layout should be fully wired and working as regards traction current.  The third rail for the passenger line will be a dummy; I have conducted trials aimed at having it live and used for traction feed but our various manufacturer's tolerances and scaling mean that the pick-up shoes are in entirely different positions across the brands.  For a couple of metres of visible running line that was going to be too much effort for too little gain and the "live" rail will not be live.




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If you need any advice with your wiring Rick, just ask me ............................ :???: :???: :???: :cheers :mutley

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I might need advice on untangling spaghetti.  That should be accompanied by a bottle of Laughing Water of course.  

SWMBO is unwell and is due into hospital on Monday.  This gives me a little time at home while she is recovering to both be close to her and deal with matters outstanding on the model without too much interruption.  I have taken next week off work so hopefully will be able to make some progress.

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An update.

SWMBO has been home recovering from her surgery for a few days now and is doing well. She still has at least two more weeks off work.

The layout is not recovering and lurches from short circuit to short circuit. In fixing the latest one I managed to cause more damage which means I now need to replace a yard of plain and ballasted track in addition to re-fettling the offending Y-point.

I am going to have to get a diagram drawn because if I can't figure out what needs to be don I shall either tear out my remaining hair or tear up the track and try flower arranging instead.

Over two years and the only progress made has been to move shorts from one place to another .......

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Flower aranging is over-rated

Let us have a diagram and where the problems appear to be and the combined Brains of YMRC will see you right!!

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A diagram will be sorted.

Would it be easier to just have a plain track diagram without showing where the feeds etc are and allow folk to fill in the blanks, as it were?  



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Gwiwer wrote: A diagram will be sorted.

Would it be easier to just have a plain track diagram without showing where the feeds etc are and allow folk to fill in the blanks, as it were?  




I would find a track diagram showing the existing feeds helpful and in addition the existing location of all IRJs (insulated rail joiners) is essential.

I am sure it will all be resolved Rick

Best wishes

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Thanks John and it's good to hear from you again.  I seem to arrive at the computer on my way to bed every evening and therefore without the time to draw up the required diagram but I hope to get it done very soon.  

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Here is the mess I have got myself into.  The first two are the wiring diagrams supplied with the custom-built crossover track which is shown as "A" in the track plan.  You will notice that the diagram caters for a crossover with a plain diamond but the unit is actually a double slip not a plain diamond.  I therefore have no idea how to wire it correctly.  

The colours used on the wiring diagram are as fitted to the track piece and all those which exist are fitted exactly as shown.  However there are "doubled" or "piggy-backed" auxiliary switches (Peco PL-13 as per diagram) which is something I cannot get to work.  They simply will not piggy-back with each other.  The bar from the point motor is not long enough to go through two and where I have got them doubled up they jam the motor.  


At the bottom is the actual track plan with the position (as of today) where I have power inputs and IRJs.  Clearly there is something not right because while individually most parts of the layout will work under power there remain dead sections through several points and both double-slips, plus there are numerous shorts which I don't understand enough about to rectify.  

All points are Peco code 75 electrofrog and all are fitted with PL-13 accessory switches except for the three-way which has nothing fitted, and neither do the points in the fiddle yard which lead to dead ends because frog switching here is not required.  

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Hi Rick

Could I suggest that we take this in stages taking one section of simple trackwork at a time and leave the 3 way and diamonds until the basic areas are sorted.

Taking this approach lets focus right now solely on the twin sidings and tracks leading up to the fiddle yard A at power feed 1

There are two points back to back from this single power feed.....It would be helpful if you numbered the points but for now lets call them A1 (top)  and A2 (bottom)

[1]   A1 must be isolated on the ends (toes?) .....as shown there will be a short whichever way this point is thrown.

I assume A1 has switched polarity? Check that this now works correctly

I assume A2  is not switched and relies on the turnout blade to power the frog ?

Personally I think I would have isolated the two points and added another power feed


[2] Isolate all four ends of the diamond/double slip (?) leading to the fiddle yard A......we will add a separate power supply for this later


[3] Sidings  SA1 thru SA4 are now powered and should work without issue.....confirm

[4]  Add a power feed to the bottom siding SA 5

[5] Check trains will run from each siding on both routes up to the diamond.


When you are absolutely satisfied this all works we can address the diamond or double slip  

Hope this helps......Nec aspera terrent ......my old army motto   "Difficulties be damned"

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Rick, I know you are a DC man so can I suggest you read this page for starters
https://brian-lambert.co.uk/Electrical_Page_3.html

it has basic frog wiring for normal turnouts, slips & scissors crossovers.

I personally would not use 2 PL13's ganged but a PL15 twin microswitch

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Hi Rick,

Did you want a double slip in the middle with a branch to the upper right, or a crossover (diamond) in the middle and a slip upper right? The examples I have seen are the latter. Crossover wiring is simple, basically continuity and isolation, that would have left the slip, which is straightforward. These assemblies are made from Peco offerings, so no real track building, just cut and shut. Or was this a custom build?

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Nigel the crossover unit at "A" is a custom build using Peco standard pieces trimmed and wired as though it were three turnouts and two plain diamonds (one in the middle and one top right).  I need the double-slip where it is, and it is a part of the module so cannot be easily changed, because I wish to have all five sidings fed from the top track and feeding the one immediately below it.  

Sol I already have that page saved and have read it  couple of times.  I also have Ian Morton's book Aspects of Modelling - Electrics which is a good guide but of course cannot cover every scenario.


John I shall try to follow your thoughts when I have an hour or two to spare at the layout.  

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Hi Rick,

So the slip is at B (which would correspond to the photos of this arrangement on the web and eBay). Missed that on the diagram :oops:. 3 long points, 1 crossover, 1 double slip. I noticed you have live frogs in the diamond. Life is a lot simpler if they are insuls or dead metal.

I would contact Mr. Nicholls to see what is wrong.

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I was thinking of rebuilding the piece using insulfrog points but the chances of something stalling increase somewhat. I shall be running numerous small tank locos and 0-6-0 shunters for example.

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Hi Rick,

An 0-6-0 will usually trundle across insulfrogs or for that matter a dead metal frog as long as the frog is shorter than the wheelbase. The insulfrog design is different to the electrofrog - around 2-3 sleepers for the insulfrog, around 7 for a large radius electrofrog. Can you get insulfrogs in code 75?

If you are rebuilding it's worthwhile shortening the distance between the closure rail and the frog.

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I have used insul Code 75 crossings and they work fine without any hesitation with 6-coupled tank engines.  I don't have any 4-coupld so cannot comment.

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I'm not at the stage of rebuilding just yet.  Despite one loose blade on the double-slip which I'm sure can be dealt with it remains easier to my mind (and with an amount of collective support and assistance) to sort out what I've got that to start over.  

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Sol wrote: Rick, I know you are a DC man so can I suggest you read this page for starters
https://brian-lambert.co.uk/Electrical_Page_3.html

it has basic frog wiring for normal turnouts, slips & scissors crossovers.

I personally would not use 2 PL13's ganged but a PL15 twin microswitch
I now have a couple of PL15s  How should I wire them up in this context please?

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Rick, I have printed out the 2nd photo which shows PL15s and will trace the wiring & reply- who did that for you in the first place?

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Rick, i won't have a chance of looking at that for a couple or three days but the twin microswitchs PL15 are basically two PL 13's - one PL13 equal one of the microswitches.

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Merry Christmas one and all.  

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A slightly belated happy new year to one and all.

I have had the misfortune to be laid (literally) aside by a severe attack of gout since just after Christmas.  Being unable to get shoes onto a badly swollen foot has restricted me to indoors and the act of moving around - or trying to - has been so excruciatingly painful that even the neighbours have asked if all was well having heard the shouts of pain.  


Things are starting to improve.  I have made it back to work though that has been difficult and painful and only a very limited amount of walking around has been possible.  The job does not always require moving around, though does require standing all day, so I have managed to get by.  


I hope to get back to the model during this weekend with some slight electrical changes in the pipeline which should ensure things start to run smoothly.  


In the meantime new boxes arrive in the mail from time to time.  The contents are destined for detailing and weathering before being used in anger though are tested to ensure correct operation out of the box.  


The weathering roadshow has two dates pencilled in for this year so far of which the first is the Hayle MRC May exhibition.  The invitation was extended last year and is always done informally but I do need to confirm it with the organiser.  

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Sorry to hear about the gout Rick.

Both my late father and grandfather suffered, so I suspect I'll get it soon.

At the moment though, I've just got an awful cold.

Time of year I suppose.

Did you get your electrical problems fixed?


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I am not aware of gout running in families though there may be cases where it does.  No-one in my family ever suffered.  There is a history of rheumatoid arthritis on father's side but not of gouty arthritis, to give it its fuller name.

I am hopeful that the electrics will start to behave once I apply some advice given via RMweb.  I intend to make a start on things today but have a backlog of more urgent domestic engineering tasks to carry out first having been confined to bed / sofa for most of the past 10 days.  


Once the electrics are fine the rest should follow fairly quickly as I have many of the required bits just waiting to be used.  The conductor rail for the electrified line will be dummy using code 60 rail and Peco insulators though some standard black-sheathed modelling wire will be used to represent the appropriate cables.  I have previously tried to build a workable system powering electric trains via pick-up shoes but the variations of mass production and of necessity the sharp curves we often use on models made that unviable.  It can be done.  It requires rather more skilled micro-engineering than I have the capacity for. 

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Very Sorry to hear about that Rick and I know just how you feel as I've sufferred with it for over 20 years.   There are various types of gout and I don't get much swelling in my right big toe but the shooting pains - which are just like toothache - always comes about 3.00am and continues every 5 minutes or so until I get up and then gradually eases up as I walk around!   This usually goes on for a week or so and then I'm ok for a while until it comes back again.


A couple of things I would recommend:  do not eat offal of any kind (including Steak and KIDNEY Pie or LIVER etc) and do drink lots of water as this really helps.   Also there are all sorts of helpful tips you can find on the NHS and other websites.


I wish you well mate.


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I don't eat offal anyway unless it's heavily disguised and the steak pie fails to mention its presence!  Nothing seems to be capable of preventing the onset of an attack and the drinking of water - whilst usually advised - can also mean there is a need to visit the toilet more often.  When movement of any kind results in screams of agony an urgent need to get from room to room is the last thing one needs!

I have found cherry juice settles things somewhat and is more palatable than endless water.  It also doesn't want to come out quite as quickly for some reason.  That and the prescription Indomethacin are what makes the difference to me.


The advice to cut out salt and certain foodstuffs (bacon being one over and above offal), plus the elimination of alcohol, makes some slight positive difference.  Raising the affected part and applying a cold pack (ice block or sacrificial "first aid" peas which will never be eaten but are kept purely for emergency use) does work.  I spent a few days with the ice block being changed hourly to keep things cool.  Ironically in bed I want to keep things warm!  


We're getting there.  The swelling is very much reduced now and so is the level of pain.  This has taken two weeks from onset which is typical for me.  I'll be back on my feet at the day job at 7am tomorrow meaning the alarm is set for 5am.  I might have free prescriptions these days but I still need to earn my keep!  

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Glad to hear you are on the mend.... a nasty affliction.  Looking forward to some more railway progress.
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My luck has struck again! I'm not quite over the cough nor the gout which have troubled me since Christmas. On Monday night I became very unwell suffering stomach pains and cramping. The short version is that I have been in bed for much of the week with what the NHS111 medic described as a gastric virus. Despite similar symptoms it is apparently not food poisoning and this thing is going the rounds.

I'm over this year already. Is it too much to ask for a couple of days' worth of half-decent health and to get back on my feet?

Once again the model has to take a back-seat for a while.

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You are in need of some fine Cornish air  Rick!



Indeed I am.  And a dose is scheduled for next weekend with friends from Lostwithiel.  

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Work is in progress.  IRJs have been placed where I am told they need to be.  I am currently (pun intended) re-wiring the power feeds to have them correctly placed and with a common-return. 

A few new items of rolling stock have arrived.  At present these have been tested for correct operation but are not due to be weathered and placed into traffic for a while.  I have to build up a stock of items requiring weathering in advance of a handful of demonstrations and master-classes booked or pencilled in for the year ahead.  


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I've sent you a PM for an off topic issue,

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Another day and another problem.

I was using the meter to check out a dead spot on a point which had been wired according to the plan I am now using and which should have had power. There was nothing between the plastic boss in the blade to the frog.

Suddenly there was a PING and most of the rails parted company with the plastic base. I really don't know why. It wasn't a new point but had not seen much use. The only future for it lay in the bin. A replacement has already been mailed and should be here over the weekend.

Once that is in and the wiring restored everything on the main running area should work. Assuming that is the case then I can move on to the dreaded custom-built crossover and a three-way point which both feed the main storage yard and will be all that remains in the way of full powered operation.

I hope !!!

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And behold everything did not work.

I have more testing to do to understand why there are dead spots.  I have found a couple of points which are fitted with frog switching but which seem to rely on blade contact to pass power.  I don't know why that is and I am not about to tear up any more track to find out.  If I have to lift any more track it will be the whole lot and it won't be replaced.  


Next week I have some leave.  The weather is expected to be dire for at least a couple of days so I might find nothing better to do than crawl around under the boards swearing at wires ......... 

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Sol - indeed it is rather a long way.  I was most appreciative of your visit to Penhayle Bay which was a fair trek for you.  The extra few thousand miles might be the proverbial straw on the camel's back.  


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I'm close to a dunce at these problems Rick but did you wire the stock rails to the switch rails 'the so-called "DCC friendly system);  If so, did you cut the tiny factory installed link across the cut in the rails ?


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A double slip that I made nearly thirty years ago has "switches" between the rails, they're simply made with 9 thou guitar wire about half an inch long, when the point blades move the guitar wire connected to the tie bars touches a pin which is wired to the frogs causing contact.
There's two to each tie bar depending on the point direction, one is alway in contact and the other open, when the points are changed, the open one closes and the closed on opens. :)

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Rick, you have two 3 sections, one between Turnouts D & F and one to the right of H so any thing coming from C to D will allow all section 3 to be live. Likewise you have a lot of section 4 feeds 5 of which will also do the same.

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Electrofrog slip should be isolated and controlled by its own separate section switch unless you set up some complex interconnecting depending on what turnouts are set to use it.



I have marked up your drawing deleting some insulators and feeds, added feed 6, altered RHS 4 to 7 and a 4 to 5

it will mean some additional switching.


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Basically, if you have locos sitting in other tracks, then to stop them moving when you don't want them too, it relies on turnouts to be set against them or isolate each track.

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A bullet has been bitten.

The electrofrog double-slip which has been the cause of most of the electrical problems - either directly or indirectly - has been replaced with an insulfrog version.

I can paint the brown plastic frogs a better colour than they are. So far nothing stalls on them. And - after a minor hiccup which was expected on a trial and error basis - everything works. I fitted metal joiners to all ends but found that one arm needed IRJs to avoid shorting. With those fitted all the problems on the main part of the layout are now resolved.

Now to move on to the custom-built crossover which has its own wiring plan. And which now has Peco PL-15 accessory switches to replace the double-stacked frog switches suggested by the plan.

I can also now move on - once the disturbed ballasting has been made good - with other scenic and detailing work since all the remaining wiring (points and signals) is beneath the boards and will not require surface disturbance.

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And to address Sol's comments I shall be introducing some on-off switches to isolate certain sections of track. That is easy; a break in the power feed and the fitting of the switch is all that is required.

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Stuff moving.  Crudely filmed on the iPhone with one hand while the other managed three controllers.  But it shows that stuff moves as it should over this half of the layout at last.  I still need to fit a few switches to have it exactly as I want but it's come a long way in the last few days.  

Now to work on the other end where another double slip lurks awaiting my attention .....  

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Wow there is a lot going on there with three movements and filming! I’d end up with a crash!
Looks good, I like the two class 33’s. I need to get me one of them!

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That looks great Rick - as Chris said - lots going on there.

Good standard of weathering too - I wonder who did that …………………. :lol: :lol: 

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I'm not too sure Petermac but the person responsible has been invited to a few exhibitions again this year to provide demonstrations.  And new for this year there might be some items I am prepared to sell if there is any interest.  As I am no longer able to run 12-coach main-line trains I have too much rolling stock now stored away and am unlikely to need all of it in the future.  

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Gwiwer wrote:   As I am no longer able to run 12-coach main-line trains I have too much rolling stock now stored away and am unlikely to need all of it in the future.  See, if you hadn't moved back to the UK, you had plenty of room Down Under on Penhayle Bay  :mutley  :pedal

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It's looking good, Rick. All the hard work  and trials and tribulations are coalescing to form a working and effective model.

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Sol wrote: Gwiwer wrote:   As I am no longer able to run 12-coach main-line trains I have too much rolling stock now stored away and am unlikely to need all of it in the future.  See, if you hadn't moved back to the UK, you had plenty of room Down Under on Penhayle Bay  :mutley  :pedal

So true.  But if I hadn't moved back to the UK I would be missing a very important person who - subject to final examination - is about to become a Doctor of Environmental History and has just scored herself a Cambridge University invitation to lecture and lead workshops later this year.  

We still own the house in Australia though have no plans to return for the foreseeable future.  And I still own enough of the buildings and structures that if ever there was to be space I could reasonably easily re-create at least a part of Penhayle Bay.

In the meantime I shall Waddle on.  

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And so we move on. The next issue requiring my attention is an electrofrog three-way point. I have it wired exactly as per Peco's instructions on the packaging, it feeds three dead-end sidings so does not need additional power feeds beyond the blades and it has the rails bonded each side so as to avoid reliance on blade contact.

Both turnouts are dead. The straight route curiously receives very low power. There is no short indicated nor do locos behave as though it is shorting - they simply slow down but continue.

The multimeter shows there is 13v when the controller is at full power, and this is available through both left and right-hand rails and all the way along the sidings provided the other side is connected to a rail on the toe-side of the little plastic lug in the blades. For the middle road the meter shows a current of 3.5v all the way through.

Stumped? I certainly am.

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Rick. I found when using the 3 way Code 75 that depending on track selection, the other tracks are not always isolated but one was reverse polarity so any loco I placed in there before would come to life !

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Yes, as Ron says, the nature of the wiring means two of the frogs are live at once, and this could cause problems if there is a locomotive on the tracks on the dead-end side. I would not rely on the point to supply power to the tracks beyond, but would go the extra mile and put insulating joiners on all but the outer rails, and separate feeds to the tracks in the sidings (with, if desired, isolating switches too for DC operation).

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Gents, thank you.  I suspect the "fix" will end up being to use an insulfrog point in place of the electrofrog one.  That would not be ideal but there are issues with supplying power to the sidings.  

In my very confined space I have built the main yard on top of a bookshelf across my office desk.  I cannot therefore drill into it to run wiring beneath although, as it is an off-scene yard, I could run surface wiring.  

I am also thinking about the number of switches I am now going to need.  Again there is a limit of space for the control area which must accommodate point levers, a few signal levers and a number of isolation switches.  The latter is all part and parcel of the electrofrog "experience" and if I was building this project from scratch as opposed to re-using previously-built and track-laid boards I might well have used insulfrogs from the outset.  

I'll have a think on the way forward.  

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Rick, this is Southern Region we are talking about: surface cabling wandering all over the place would look fine if painted a dirty brown. :D

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The electrical mysteries continue. 

Meanwhile I can make progress on the scenic side of things. Working more or less from the back to the front the first feature will be the creation of Waddlemarsh Halt. 

This will just (only just!!) accommodate a standard SR 4-car train although 2-car would be more common. 2-Bil and 2-EPB types will be the norm with others turning up or running through from time to time. The sidings allow for up to 6-car trains. 

Not finding anything readily available to represent SR “Exmouth Junction” concrete slab platforms I have invested in some 3mm foam-board sections. These have been coated in neat PVA brushed evenly and coated with a fine sand which was first used for the unpaved platform areas in the final version of Treheligan station on my previous layout. 

Also not having any work bench means the task was performed in the kitchen while no-one else was looking. 

One brush is used for spreading the adhesive.  A second brush is used for sweeping up the excess sand. 

Bald spots can be rectified later using spray-on PVA. The sheets can then be cut to size and slab joins scored in them. I am hoping to create the uprights by similar means. 










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An update. I removed the three-way point fora full test of the electrics as there should be no way a low-voltage current should exist. The rails at the toe end promptly unfixed themselves from the plastic sleeper base perhaps having had enough of being fitted, removed, refitted and tested over and over again.

What ever the cause the point is irretrievably b*****ed and will indeed be replaced with an insulfrog version. The difference between asymmetric and symmetric, also the difference between Code 75 and Code 100, are not critical. I can drop in a code converter rail at the toe end of the new point and the sidings it feeds are already code 100 rail.

In the interim and until the new point arrives I have dropped in a spare point which I have to hand and which serves four of the five sidings. There are no electrical issues and it behaves exactly as I expect an electrofrog point feeding dead-end sidings would.

Which makes me wonder if there was a bigger problem with the now-deceased three-way in the first place. I may never know

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While waiting for the new point, and while waiting for the art shop to open tomorrow as I need some flexible board, I can still take pictures. A lightly weathered Merchant Navy and a grimy gronk share siding space under the glare of the workstation lamp. 










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Very smart weathering, there Rick.  They look like they are in service, rather than the "close to the scrapheap" that you can sometimes see.  What method did you use?
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Thank you Michael.  I use powder weathering sometimes supported by mapping pen to give depth to body seams and door frames.  I usually apply the powder then wipe some of it off as I learned this not only gives a more realistic uneven effect but can also produce a sheen resembling varnished paintwork.  I find it quite easy to wipe away powders from plain panels which leaves dirt clinging where it should be - in the nooks, crannies, corners and grilles. I hope to revisit the Merchant Navy with a new (for me) finishing technique applying household polish with a cotton-wool bud to the wheels to resemble the effect of oil and water which one often saw.  

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The offending three-way point is replaced, insulfrog instead of electrofrog with the flexible track accommodating the change in geometry that also required quite readily, allowing reliable movement into and out of the “freight” side of the yard.  

New ID photo backscenes arrived during the week to complete that task. I cut a groove in the cork tiles to act as a guide for the mounting board which has the photo-scene glued to it. I used MDF for the straight areas but the scene has to come around the same curve as the tracks meaning I had to find something which would take and hold the curve without creasing or bowing. The groove was filled with glue, the backscene placed into the groove and held for several minutes until secure.  

There are gaps and a couple of pegged areas but the bulk of that task is now done.  
I shall fit wood uprights behind the card later and also tie-strips to firm up the joins between card strips.  
In what is still a busy and chaotic scene a Crompton leads a short parcels rake from fiddle yard to goods yard. The running isn’t as smooth as it needs to be but this is still a work in progress. 

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The backscene became a jig-saw puzzle.  Such are the joys of using pre-printed I guess.  There are far more seams than I would like and they detract from the overall appearance but can be smoothed to an extent in image editing software.  
 
I am not sure about the trains appearing to run off the scene through the back of a house but I wasn't able to arrange it any other way.  And the other side of the aperture also requires more attention as there is a line where I don't want one between sky and scene.
 
However  .....
 
From top to bottom we see the "naked eye" view and all the joins in the printed backscene, then an edited version to remove them, a side-on view illustrating my point about the train running through the house and an overhead view giving an impression of where I am up to.  The two electric units run around the outer curves which are now hidden to reach the two reversing sidings which have been hidden for some time now via a short length of single track which acts as a crossover.  
 
Keen eyes might also recognise the dirty white fence placed along the base of the backscene.  It has been repurposed from Penhayle Bay and was originally the lineside fence above the loco shed and goods yard.  








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A nice bit of photo editing for the likes of us - very seamless. You have highlighted a problem with  detailed backscenes, where things don't quite fit our track plan.  I chose a sky only version, with the intention of adding my own detail, but even that sky presented some problems.  I rather wish they were produced in 4ft sections which would mirror my fairly traditional boards.  Still, I like the quality of the scenes, so I shall have to live with the limitations.
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Furtling in the Waddlemarsh continues at a slow but steady rate despite all that is (or isn't) happening in the world outside.  

I have taken some good advice and have been steadily kit-bashing two Ratio SR concrete footbridge kits into one double-length span to fit across the "sky exit".  The angle and curve of the tracks makes this a particularly tricky location and a millimetre-perfect fit is required.  

The kits are designed to sit on a platform; mine will be ground-mounted so in order to elevate the bridge sufficiently for trains to pass beneath I have had to create a couple of small risers of land in an already very confined space.  The result is trains pass with no more than 1mm clearance in a couple of spots.  

Far from finished here is the work in progress.  The kit builds to a station footbridge with a 90-degree turn halfway up the steps; mine has been re-worked into a straight ascent on one side to fit the location and a cut-off where it meets the backscene on the other where some missing detail will have to be carefully painted in.  

I propose to coat the bridge with a very fine sand which will resemble the concrete finish of the prototype.  Detailing the area will include making use of Ratio SR concrete fence panels shown in their "as supplied" form to provide secure separation between railway and footpath.  












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Brilliant idea, what a great way to hide the entrance/exit to the backscene.  That will look brilliant once complete!

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Yep, as Chris said Rick, brilliant idea and nicely executed.

You must be enjoying how it's all comming to life now.

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That's done the trick and solved the problem perfectly Rick.  It looks much better now.  :thumbs

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Some more bashing of the kits has produced a result I am happy enough with.  Instead of painting on the "missing" sections where the space is too narrow for the full kit I have judiciously cut down the width and built the kit hoping the effect does not detract too much.  Bits you don't see (but are visible from the overhead view) don't really matter; the slight irregularities and gaps may end up looking less obvious when it is coated in sand and weathered down.  

The long span isn't unique - they existed at locations such as Seaton Junction and Exeter Queen Street (Central) and no doubt many other places.  The unusual angle of the smoke deflectors likewise isn't unheard of in reality.   There is or was probably an "Exmouth Junction" style concrete bridge somewhere which had a flight of steps angled at 45 degrees to the span rather than 90 or 180 but I cannot think of one.  

What matters is that it does the job for me in this location and as plastic kits go it doesn't look so bad.  Space is extremely restricted; I even had to trim the lamp down to half-relief on the right-hand side so that it sits flat against the backscene in order to achieve vertical legs which don't foul passing trains.  

The good folk living in the houses across the railway will now have direct access to Waddlemarsh Halt.






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Good bit of kit bashing there Rick that has worked out really well and covered the awkward tunnel bit.


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Hi Rick,

Nice bit of screening there.

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That looks great, Rick.  :doublethumb :doublethumb :doublethumb

I don't know that I'd like to step through that gap in the stairs on a dark, unlit night! Aaaaahhhhhhhhh! 

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Selective compression is actually a very successful technique. I have seen it done in several ways by other modellers to great effect. From normal viewing angles, the narrower width is effectively invisible.

I have to do something similer to get passenger access to my Underground platforms from the high side at Newton Broadway. I have the Ratio footbridge with the iron trellis style to hack into something rather similar in angles and spans to what you have done.

I also have one of the concrete footbridges but it  was built as per the kit instructions to be at right-angles to the lines. However, like you, I have discovered that it is too low for ground mounting, and needs ramps or steps added to raise its height, so at present is unused, even though I know where it is intended to go.

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A method I have used for a realistic concrete effect was one described by Chris Nevard on one of his layouts.

You need the following spray paints, grey primer, red oxide, white & black.

You basically spray they grey as your base then spray short bursts from a distance the other three colours so that the paint lands on as big drops until you get the effect you like.

I used it on the concrete hut below



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That works really well, Andy.

My own method involves using an old, very stiff paint brush and stippling the brown onto the base grey coats.

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Footbridge update:

"Rickery" alert!!!

After some trial-and-error on the hidden side of the bridge I settled for a mix of Peco weathering materials to achieve the desired "rough" texture common to most well-worn concrete structures.  It wouldn't adhere with PVA nor hairspray, I didn't want to use that much poly-cement which might also have damaged the surface so I tried shaking the material over a layer of wet paint.  It holds.  

The entire bridge was therefore painted with a mix of three Woodland Scenic base colours stiffened with a goodly amount of gesso.  While that was wet I coated the visible parts of the bridge in the mix of "ash" and "cinders".  When dry I shook and then lightly brushed the excess off and saved it for another time.  

After I was happy enough with the result I then added some weathering powders including soot black around the smoke deflectors and some light rust and pale green to represent age and staining.

The camera has probably cut through a bit too much of the coating which to my eyes appears as a fairly even allover layer and is a reasonable approximation of the colour and texture I see on some 1930s panels at Twickenham station.  The eyes also don't see the weathering quite as strongly as the photos show - it appears more muted and realistic.  

The lamps are painted a mix of "unbleached titanium" and "Turner's yellow" picked out with a mapping pen and finally a piece of Woodland Scenics "Fine Leaf Foliage" is tucked in behind one lamp to conceal the remaining gap between bridge and backscene.  








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Looks good Rick - very much like the concrete bridge at Twickenham and others on the Hounslow or Kingston Loops.  The rusting and build up of filth adds to the overall look.


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A little more work today has seen the start of securely separating the footpath from the railway.  More concrete-effect, this time with the solid panels and posts, and some greening at ground level over the riser which has now been almost concealed.  The fence panels require slight weathering and final fixing and the groundwork requires detailing to complete this corner.  

Work is also under way at the other end of the bridge where more footpath will lead onto the halt.  Parts for the platform have been ordered from Dart Castings and will arrive when they get here allowing construction to begin.  

A class 08 shunter fusses with some ballast wagons - Heljan "Dogfish" recently arrived from our friends in Camborne.  I know they have TOPS panels which is a little too late for my 1960s theme but the heavy manufacturer's weathering almost blots them out.  


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Very nice transition thru the back scene Rick. Bravo.

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I agree with Marty, you have done a great job with what appeared to be a very awkward bit of scenery.  Having made the same footbridge, I am very impressed at your kit bashing too
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The "hole in the wall" has been a rather tricky spot to manage scenically.  Thank you for the positive feedback.  It is very much appreciated. 
Further furtling has taken place.  
 
The detailing along the line of the backscene has had its greenery built up to conceal the slight gaps and bits of white paper.  The concrete fence panels have been weathered and stuck in place and the footbridge has also been fixed down.  The points of contact are tiny and I'm not too sure I can trust the gluing at this stage but time will tell.  
 
The grass behind the houses has now been fenced off from the railway.  Keen eyes will observe that I have used GWR spear fencing rather than an SR style.  It might not be the final version but it will certainly do for now.  Very keen eyes may spot that the weathered white fencing used has been recycled from Penhayle Bay where it sat alongside the main line above the loco shed and yard; from the top image to the lower ones by the magic of modelling.  









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Dart Castings SR platform supports and fence posts.  Peco conductor rail insulators going onto code 60 rail.  And a closer view of the castings - sorry it lost definition - showing the reason I have been boring holes recently.  4x0.5mm and 1x1.0mm per post to drill out, 100 off.  So 500 tiny holes plus those required to locate the "pots" into the sleepers .....  

3mm foam board covered in fine sand to create the concrete-slab platform of the halt.  

I am awaiting a delivery of piano wire for the fence wires and will attempt to get the castings looking like concrete after that is threaded through.  





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Well it looks as if you've had a boring week Rick !!

I saw your post on FB and thought you were drilling plastic sprue - didn't realise you'd invested heavily in metalwork.  :roll:

What's it like to drill - i.e. does it clog the drill fairly quickly ?

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Petermac wrote: Well it looks as if you've had a boring week Rick !!

I saw your post on FB and thought you were drilling plastic sprue - didn't realise you'd invested heavily in metalwork.  :roll:

What's it like to drill - i.e. does it clog the drill fairly quickly ?

It has been a remarkably boring couple of weeks!  Doing a few now and again - including just before bed most nights - results in the job getting done without my patience being exhausted.  

I will admit to being on my second 0.5mm bit now and am honestly surprised I haven't destroyed more.  They are the finest thing I have yet worked with, size wise.  

The casting is quite soft so easy to drill with the tiny amount of swarf just tapped off at the end of each bore.  The more difficult part is maintaining even but light pressure and having the pin-vice perfectly vertical with respect to the job.  Each bore can be done in one operation without a need to clean the drill part-way through.  

This is the half-way point.  50 down, 50 to do.  An extra pack is on its way from Dart Castings to boost the numbers as I am a few short and there have been a couple of breakages.  More posts have been terminally damaged than drills so far - by a factor of three to one.  

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Good luck. I’m sure it’ll look fantastic once completed. 

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Thank you!  I am hoping so.  
The castings are designed to butt-fit rather than having one overlap the other as I am doing.  Ideally they would be soldered but I don't have the facilities to low-melt solder so many parts.  As much the absence of a suitable workspace as the out-of-stock low-melt solder.  

So I am super-gluing the two parts together with the overlap as shown.  It isn't quite right but the joins won't show and any irregularities in leg length can be trimmed.  The legs will need trimming anyway because as supplied and once fitted with the foamboard sheets they result in a slightly-too-high platform surface.  So no more work is involved there than was anticipated.  

There are two related and significant pieces of work to do before the platform can be completed.  I really must fix the short-circuit through the crossover at the yard end - which is hopefully the last of the electrical problems to attend to - and when that is done I need to trim some woodwork in order to have the tracks running straight through the platform area.  Currently there is a curve at one end caused by the fit of point motors at the crossover.  It is those motors which require wood to be cut back before the track is firmly pinned in place and the halt is built.  

It feels like a snail with a zimmer frame would make faster progress.  But progress is being made.  

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Ah, now I see.  I didn't realise the platform supports and fence posts were joined to form a single unit - I'd imagined the fence posts were just that ...........................

I wonder, why are you using wire for the fence Rick - wouldn't it have been pailings of some kind ?

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I am using wire because that is what the prototype used. 

Seen here at a location typical of the one being modelled the lower four* strands are twisted wire for which I shall use 0.4mm piano wire. The top rail is steel tube. I have 0.9mm piano wire coming but would prefer to use brass rod. 

Due to the current circumstances I cannot source fine gauge brass rod but may use it instead of wire at a later date.  

This image also shows the prototype of the concrete posts and supports I am currently working on. 

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* On closer inspection I only see three strands of wire on this station.  I would be happy using just three on mine because it represents 25% less threading of piano wire through tiny holes.  And 25% fewer holes to bore out on the other half of the job!  

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Rick looking at your prootype photo you can get a similar laser cut kit like your platform/station i have this for my 0 gauge layout they do  a 00 version.



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You live and learn - I didn't know they used that kind of fencing on stations Rick - but then, I tend not to study "modern" !!  Also, I note Brian has similar fencing on his halt - I hadn't noticed that either - have you posted that photo before Brian ?

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It depends on your definition of “modern” I suppose. Those concrete halts with wire fences were a feature of the Southern Railway from the 1920s onwards. Many were built as lines were electrified or were rebuilds of earlier wooden halts at that time so date from the 1930s.  

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Petermac wrote: You live and learn - I didn't know they used that kind of fencing on stations Rick - but then, I tend not to study "modern" !!  Also, I note Brian has similar fencing on his halt - I hadn't noticed that either - have you posted that photo before Brian ?
Not here Peter but you would have seen it on MRC

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Gwiwer wrote: It depends on your definition of “modern” I suppose. Those concrete halts with wire fences were a feature of the Southern Railway from the 1920s onwards. Many were built as lines were electrified or were rebuilds of earlier wooden halts at that time so date from the 1930s.



Ah yes, "Southern" -  I'd forgotten - that explains it all ....................... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Briperran wrote: Petermac wrote: You live and learn - I didn't know they used that kind of fencing on stations Rick - but then, I tend not to study "modern" !!  Also, I note Brian has similar fencing on his halt - I hadn't noticed that either - have you posted that photo before Brian ?
Not here Peter but you would have seen it on MRC

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Either I hadn't noticed it there Brian or it hadn't registered .............. :thud

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Petermac wrote: Gwiwer wrote: It depends on your definition of “modern” I suppose. Those concrete halts with wire fences were a feature of the Southern Railway from the 1920s onwards. Many were built as lines were electrified or were rebuilds of earlier wooden halts at that time so date from the 1930s.



Ah yes, "Southern" -  I'd forgotten - that explains it all ....................... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Through the eye of a needle .....
 
0.4mm piano wire is threaded through 0.5mm holes in the fence posts and will ultimately be weathered down.  50 posts per platform (maybe give or take a few) and four strands of wire per post.  That's a lot of threading.  Lots and lots ......... 
 
The top-most hole is 1.0mm and will have - hopefully - brass rod through it both for stiffness and because the top run on the prototype is steel tube not wire. 







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It's good for training the eyes Rick. :thumbs

What's the translucent choc block shaped thing in front of the locomotive in the photo ?

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Exactly what it looks like Peter. A choc-block waiting for the final point motor wiring. I am waiting for Peco to re-start production of their lever switches but there’s no rush.  That particular block is a plug-and-socket version for locations where there is a need to connect / disconnect the wiring.  I got it for the lift-out viaduct section of Penhayle Bay years ago but in the end there was no wiring run across that unit so the block remained unused.  It is now pressed into service as an alternative to buying new when any form of storage space is at a premium.  

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Good move Rick.

The problem with storage space is finding what's in there !!  My storage space is full - people tell me I'm a hoarder - but I still often buy new because I can't find the old !!!

Those plug-in choc blocks are great, provided you don't plug and un-plug too often.  I've found they can become loose in time.

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As layouts develop so sweet spots for photography arise. I may have discovered one here. 
The photographer gets a cheery wave from the driver. 

In other news I have managed to source fine brass rod for the fence top-rail and this is awaited. More Dart Castings have arrived to allow completion of the halt including large “running-in” name boards, plus gradient posts for placing as one of the last things of all 


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That's a nice, calm shot Rick - no rushing around, just sitting simmering .............. :thumbs

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Today’s mail included the brass rod I had been waiting for.  This allowed me to start stringing up the fence for the halt platform. 

The top rail is 0.7mm brass which helps with stiffness and represents the steel tube used on the prototype. The wires are No.6 piano wire (0.4mm) and the posts are the drilled-out Dart Castings. 

One video and two stills show work in progress. The stills illustrate the partially-wired posts then the same with an unfinished platform panel placed on them as it will appear when complete. 

https://gwiwer.smugmug.com/ModelRailway-1/Waddlemarsh/n-w7M85z/i-wdjXkDq

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I finally understand the shape of them! They really do look the part, they are worth the effort. 

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Good grief Rick - that looks extremely fiddly.  How many have you got to do ?

It's certainly going to look good when it's done.  :thumbs

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About 100 Peter. 50 or so for each platform.

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"Bon chance" as we say here ...............................

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Merci beaucoup! I have a supply of Red Laughing Water to help me cope with the occasional stabbing of wire into finger as it goes through the hole.

And to ease the frustration of the occasional stubborn one where the wire just doesn't want to go through and insists on a re-bore of the hole. The holes are all fine - it's just the wire being fussy!!!

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TeaselBay wrote: I finally understand the shape of them! They really do look the part, they are worth the effort. Thank you.  The wires and brass rod are significantly over-scale but the finest I could locate.  I wouldn't want to work with anything less as there may not have been enough resilience and strength in the materials to cope with the inevitable stresses of construction.  Another school of thought was to just have the posts and not the wires on the grounds that they are in reality quite fine anyway and cannot be represented at anything close to scale.  That to my mind would look worse than over-scale fence wires.  

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An update.

Both platform fences have been fully strung.  It wasn't as easy as I hoped and one required a partial second attempt.  But they are done.  

I threaded the brass rod through the top first as that gives some rigidity.  It does bend quite easily as I discovered and the first run had to be replaced when it took on more bends than could be readily straightened out.  I then threaded the piano wire through the lower three holes.  The first series of posts had four holes drilled for this wire as there are that number of blind dimples on the castings.  Examination of prototype photographs from along the Sussex coast shows that only three strands of wire were used plus a steel tube along the top.  So three strands of piano wire and one brass rod it is.

Again the first set was a bit of a learning experience and I tried to thread one wire through the top holes then turn it back on itself to feed through the middle.  To no avail as it wouldn't pull through and a couple of the castings broke as I applied a little too much pull.  Luckily there are some spares.  So each wire was cut to just over the required length and fed through individually.  

The legs are not yet spaced correctly; the photos show the castings as wired up but they will be spaced at 27mm intervals matching the "concrete" platform slabs.  

Before I can position the legs I had to cover the bare boards with a little ground material.  Much easier to do that first than to try brushing it in afterwards!  So both sides now have ground cover along the platform areas.  The backscene took up a little PVA and shows crinkles in the pictures but should dry flat overnight.  Also present are a couple of lengths of conductor rail with "pots" slid on but again not yet correctly spaced.  These should be fitted to every fourth sleeper but as Peco has too many sleepers for correct scale I shall fit them to every fifth.  That should look OK, if not spot-on for accuracy, and avoid an "overpotted" look.  

I still have to prove the electrical issues across the crossover are resolved - probably a job for this weekend - and have also had to remove the signal from its position at the Up end of the platform site as it needs to be farther along to squeeze in a four-coach length platform.  Space was always going to be very tight but this can just be achieved.  Only just.  As with most things on Waddlemarsh it will be with a couple of millimetres to spare!





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Moving slowly along .....
 
The recalcitrant crossover still isn’t working as it should.  Hands-on assistance would be helpful but means, currently, that anyone willing to help would need to collect the unit from me, examine and hopefully rectify it elsewhere then return it. We are not in a position to offer hospitality indoors.  

The next phase of station-building requires accurate positioning and levelling of the assembled legs. 
 
For this purpose a block of scrap was formed into a fitting jig. Two grooves were cut for the rails, the block was then cut to height to ensure correct platform spacing from and above the running rails and drill marks were measured out for the next step. Which is boring more holes. Approximately 200x1.5mm. Quicker with the power drill but less destructive and more accurate with the pin vice. 







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Speed, for this job Rick, is far less important than accuracy.  Time consuming and mind numbingly boring but it will look great when you've done it.  :thumbs

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A boring day.  Literally.  

A start has been made on the 200-odd holes required for the platform legs.  It's slow progress but it is slowly advancing.  There are a couple of spare legs in use as testers to prove the spacing is correct.  On the Up side where the footbridge feeds the halt from the housing estate there is very little space and the pin-vice is almost up against the back-scene.  That makes it hard to turn never mind the thought of using a power drill!  I couldn't get a drill in there if I tried.  

Each platform end will have three legs of reducing height to support the ramps; that at the base of the footbridge will also be a reduced width in order to accommodate the footpath access behind it.  
Compromises happened in real life.  East Worthing, which was built in this concrete halt style, has a short steep wooden ramp, just a plank really, beneath Ham Road bridge where there is insufficient space for a standard one.  

The platform width will now be 30mm not the 27mm which my calculations suggest is true scale.  This allows for the greater amount of lateral "slop" found on models compared with real trains and which must be allowed for when building structures such as station platforms. 

I'm sorry if the images display sideways for you.  I cannot rectify this.  They have been processed, rotated, saved and everything I can do but this site insists on them being displayed in landscape format.  I have also had to re-format the text multiple times to remove stray "space" and [] formatting characters which insist on displaying until removed manually.  That is one of the reasons I seldom post here these days; the forum software seems incompatible with Mac products.  

Edit: screenshot of the correct orientation






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Hi Rick, I'm afraid that Apple photos can be a right pain to rotate. Its been a known issue for quite some time. Apple devices can read which way up a photo was taken on an apple device even if the phone or tablet was turned sideways. As soon as you take the photo out of Apple software that information is lost. Even rotating it within Apple software and then exporting it, the information gets lost again. I've done a few for Kevin of this Parish, and others and the ONLY way I could get it to work was to use an online Editor, upload the photo, rotate, then download it to your device so the old orientation info is wiped and the new photo displays correctly when uploaded to the forum. ( Be aware the original copy on your device will STILL have the old info)
I've taken the Liberty of re doing your two photos and saving them into my Gallery.
Option 1, I can  re do the links in your posts, displaying the Images from my Gallery
Option 2 you can re do the links in your posts displaying the Images in my Gallery 
Option 3 you can download the re done images from my gallery, re upload them to yours, and if all ok with orientation, re post them in your posts. Then I can delete from my gallery so they remain under your control.

The only copies I now have are the two in my gallery 

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Thanks Matt.

In the end I took option 4 - screenshot the images and upload in the correct orientation.  

Now back to making little holes!  

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Good option lol, must VERY theraputik making all them there holes   :thud.   :thumbs

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Barchester wrote: Good option lol, must VERY theraputik making all them there holes   :thud.   :thumbs
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Barchester wrote: Good option lol, must VERY theraputik making all them there holes   :thud.   :thumbs


Do you know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall yet Rick?

Crack on that man,

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Longchap wrote: Barchester wrote: Good option lol, must VERY theraputik making all them there holes   :thud.   :thumbs


Do you know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall yet Rick?

Crack on that man,

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No.  But I believe there were four thousand in Blackburn :cool wink

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Have you fallen over Rick ?  Last time I looked, you were drilling horizontally - now it's vertically ................ :mutley

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Gwiwer wrote: Longchap wrote: Barchester wrote: Good option lol, must VERY theraputik making all them there holes   :thud.   :thumbs


Do you know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall yet Rick?

Crack on that man,

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No.  But I believe there were four thousand in Blackburn :cool wink



Blackburn Hall ??  :shock:   Never 'erd of it Guv .......................

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I read the news today, oh boyFour thousand holes in Blackburn, LancashireAnd though the holes were rather smallThey had to count them allNow they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall  *  

Sideways, upright, upside down???  I think I've lost count and I'm only a quarter of the way along.  50 done, 150 to do.  I believe there's not a lot else happening tomorrow! 
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* A Day In The Life - The Beatles.  For those who may not get the reference.  

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Are you not back at work yet Rick ?

I admire your tenacity - I'd have cut the legs off to suit the terrain and glued it all down ............................ :oops:

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That method would not give enough rigidity.

It’s not time to work. I am on summer leave from the day job and it’s warm enough to rest my weary hands outside with a glass of Talisker

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Sorry to hear your hands are weary Rick - I'll pop over and help you take the weight of that Talisker ............................ :cheers

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I played guitar with Jeff Beck at a party, once.  It would have been even more memorable if I had realised it was JB at the time..... I don't usually mix in those types of circles! 
Got to say I admire the patience and skill required to make this platform.  It will be superb when it is done.

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Headmaster wrote: I played guitar with Jeff Beck at a party, once..................................................

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Wow - not many can claim something like that Michael. Was he any good ?  :roll: :lol:

Along the same lines, Liz's nephew is Zac Ware - guitarist with the Proclaimers............ :cheers

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Not bad Peter.... I taught him a trick or two   :mutley :mutley
He wouldn't have drilled hundreds of holes for a model railway platform though...

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One platform has all its holes bored.  The other is 1/3 done.  One set of posts is now in the process of being painted "concrete" rather than bare metal which I am doing with a mix of white gesso and Woodland Scenics "Earth Undercoat" plus a little very fine sand.  

Once the platform supports are planted I have the intricate task of painting the fence-wires "dirty" which will probably be done with a wash of well-used enamel thinners and a coat of gloss black on the top (brass) rail as per prototype.  


Allowance has to be made for some structures on the platforms.  A basic shelter either side and a footbridge to link them - and give access to the signalbox.  That will be positioned in the empty space between "passenger" and "goods" lines but facing the passenger station.  The platforms will be wider near the mid-point to accommodate the waiting shelters.  Seating will be basic wooden benches in the open.  


I have a workable medium-term "fix" for the problem scissors crossover.  I can remove that entire piece until its electrical problems are resolved by someone competent and replace it with a short length of single-track.  The two passenger lines will merge at a Y-point and immediately diverge across a three-way point to the yard fan.


That arrangement means the station will  in effect become a passing loop on a single line and I can only move one train at a time.  But I can have one arrive and stop, the other arrive and stop then each move off in turn.  Or one arrive and stop and another run through on the other line.  And all controlled from one output which simplifies the electrics more than somewhat.  When the scissors unit has been fixed it will simply drop in and the electrical modifications will revert to what I intended at the outset namely the option to move two trains independently on the passenger lines.  


All this hard work has made me thirsty.  It's time for this  



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That's an interesting bottle Rick - limited edition ?  Aged ?

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It is a limited edition Peter. There seems to be a Game of Thrones tie-up with several distilleries.
 

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Moving right along ..... 
..... it's slowly taking shape.  


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There isn't a lot of space for the SLR on the layout so most pictures until now have come off the iPhone.  But tonight I did get the "proper" camera out and captured a few better quality shots of recent work.  

Headcode 35 isn't specific to anything on this layout; it was applied because I knew it from school days when it identified Brighton - Littlehampton trains.  I have plenty of spare headcode numerals and will probably come up with a suitable SW London area number for use on this line.  

These include a couple of the Up side station building placed on the ground in the position it will occupy on the platform when completed.  This is a Bachmann "Scenecraft" resin item which is yet to be detailed other than having gained its "Waddlemarsh Halt" target name signs.  Those are supplied by Trackside Signs.













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Resting the fingers between drilling holes. Before the platform shelter can be installed it requires weathering. 

1.  As bought plus “target” name signs. 




2.  With mapping pen used to ink in the lines for added depth



3. The ink is rubbed in with a cotton wool bud, cloth or even fingers. 



4.  Weathering powders applied and brushed lightly in. Soot black, blended browns, rust and even a pale green for lichen and moss




Not forgetting the roof ..... 



Also the windows, frames and interior. 



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Wow Rick - that's an improvement.  You've made a very good job of that. :thumbs

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Yes indeed!  It has a lovely "used" appearance now and lovely details.
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Great idea! Looks good. I like the station signs as well. Where are they from?

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TeaselBay wrote: I like the station signs as well. Where are they from?Here:-
https://tracksidesigns.co.uk

I have used these before and always been very happy with the products.  

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On the warmest day of the warmest week of the warmest month of the warmest year so far .....

..... I can record that all of the platform holes have finally been bored out!!!

Both sets of supports are in the process of test fitting which is taking a little longer than I hoped. It has been a tedious and often hot process but apart from a much smaller number of holes to fit the conductor-rail insulators the "boring" part of this build is now complete.

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Ongoing work on the platforms has progressed less quickly than I would have liked.  It has proven to be not very easy locating all the legs into the holes because of the stiffness created by the fence wires.  But in they are slowly going.  Each is checked for height against both the wood-block template and a train and the legs are fixed in the holes with superglue.  

Allowance has to be made for wider platforms where the waiting shelters will be and also for a footbridge linking the two sides.  That bridge will be the good old Hornby R076 kit as it is a close approximation to the metal footbridges used at some prototype locations.  Fishersgate Halt came to mind though there are numerous others.  

Some here will be aware that I received a very large parcel from our good friends in Camborne during the week.  My order for Bachmann's new class 117 and 121 DMU units is here.  I am now the happy owner of three 3-car and three single "bubble" car sets.  One of each in blue/grey, original DMU green and the GW150 chocolate / cream livery which these carried at the time.  Also included was a TPO mailvan with (dummy) collector net, traductor arms and bodyside lights as used when mail was collected and deposited at lineside locations without stopping.  

These all look slightly out of place with a part-built SR concrete halt but they were ordered for an earlier layout; I maintained the order anyway.  The railcars are superb models.  Not cheap but very detailed and with switchable lighting for head / tail / cab / saloon and destination blind lights.  The couplers have been commented upon by several modellers; they are multi-pin rather than hook / loop or the older power-bar style which allows DCC users to control everything with a single decoder.  That is rather over the top for DC users however and will have added to the cost.  They also allow for sound fitting and the 3-car sets have both end cars powered with unobtrusive low-profile units.  In operation they are smooth, fairly quiet and reliable and will work well coupled together.  The centre trailer can be removed to form a power-twin if required.  The green one correctly has no inter-car gangways as these were not fitted until slightly later in their lives.  









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I have the green whiskered 121 bubble car Rick Lovely detailed model but i will point out it is not an easy one to get the body off anyone who is not careful could easily do a lot of damage it takes 5 bits of plasticard each side 10 in total to safely remove the body.

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Brian that sort of information is well worth knowing. I am one of those who likes to see a driver in the front seat and some passengers aboard though only a couple of my older DMUs have ever been populated.

The new layout is an end-to-end which creates other issues. Does one place a driver in each cab so that it looks realistic in both directions? Does one place tail lamps on rolling stock which should have them? What happens when it all comes back the other way? The sort of conundrum many a modeller has faced and most have not fully overcome. As with many things in this hobby I suspect compromise will be the order of the day.

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Just seen them on Facebook too. They are going to look fantastic against the finished halt. 

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It's not proving as easy as I hoped to seat the platform supports but then which tasks in this hobby ever are?  
 
They are going in.  A fair number have parted at the glued join which isn't a problem but a mild frustration.   Only one has broken beyond repair after being encouraged into its hole with a little too much persuasion :roll:
 
A near-overhead shot shows that both sides are well under way, both have a gap for the footbridge access and a small building.  The piano wire has to have the curve it was supplied with eased out over several days before gluing down which is helped by the placing of the steel rule on top of positioned (but not fixed) supports.  
 
Once I am happy with the general position of the legs I apply superglue to the holes and seat each in turn; they require a few seconds to grab but a minute or so of working time is available allowing a little correction and levelling to take place as required.  
 
Keen eyes might recognise the footbridge as that recovered from Penhayle Bay.  This will not be used on the new layout; it is only a guide here.  To re-use it would probably be a kit-bash too far for plastic which has sat outdoors for over ten years and isn't in great condition.  A new kit has arrived.  The colour scheme will be mid-dark green with black supporting legs and detail.  




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Another day another step forward. Tiny green name signs from Trackside Signs. Tiny etched brass “target” mounting plates were harder to locate than the common “totem” shape but were found at Shire Scenes via Dart Castings. 

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Progress of a sort. 

All the platform posts are in but some require a bit of levelling and many still require painting.  Groundwork has to be done before the platform surface goes down.

But the first length of conductor rail has been fitted and gauge-tested.  The Bachmann stock is a perfect fit with the shoes just skimming the top of the rail.  The Dapol class73 has retracted shoes as supplied so won't be a problem and the DJModels 71 rides just clear of the rail.  The Hornby 2-Bil units however run with their pick-up shoes outside the juice rail (a known issue and one which is tricky to rectify) and marginally lower than its top.  As all lengths of conductor rail end with a run-off or start with a run-on ramp there should not be a problem where a pick-up shoe crosses the line of rail at a junction.  Hopefully!!! 

Apologies for the fuzzy images but it proved very difficult to get the camera near enough for a close-up view and the phone has issues with rendering images sideways in forums.  




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I don't know about your third rail Rick but that weathering is absolutely  superb - did you do it  ?
It really is impressive.   :pathead

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I'll take some of the credit for that weathering.  

The unit was purchased from Lord & Butler who weather items under the brand "Dirty Boy".  The unit came with grey weathering including the accurately-represented roof details but I added the distinctive "brake-dust brown" which was more characteristic of Southern Region units at the time.  

I have another very similar unit bought pristine which I shall weather myself and present in due course.  The two form a 4-car train and will run nicely together on this layout.  

I can do similar effects on the roof with powders (the unit shown has air-brushed acrylic on the roof) and here are a couple of pictures to prove it.  





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It was the low level weathering that caught my eye Rick - along the tumblehome and chassis levels.
If that's down to you, then well done Sir.

Weren't Lord and Butler at our Kernow show all those years ago - friends of Jeff Chicks if I remember rightly ?



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The low-level weathering on the tumblehome is indeed my work Peter and thank you for the kind words. Yes indeed Lord & Butler were at Carn Brea all those years ago and from where I obtained some weathered stock which inspired me to do more and better work myself.

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It is all coming together well, Rick. Nice weathering on the EMUs.

The differences in pick up shoes is another reason I keep the top of third rail below the running rail level. All of my Lima/Hornby class 73s had to have their heavy moulded sand pipes cut off flush with the bottom of the bogies because they fouled the third rail.

Junctions pose problems if you aren't careful. I leave larger gaps than would be usual on the  in the interests of reliable running. There are a number of different treatments of third rail at junctions on the real thing, but I have chosen to do only the type where a gap is left where the lines converge. Other styles include having a continuous rail with a small ramp leading up from the side in the direction of the convergence/divergence. The latter is too hard to deal with in model form without consistent pick up shoe settings.

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very nice weathering indeed! I like it!!

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It hardly shows but a determined painting session this afternoon has resulted in all the "concrete" platform supports being painted in the areas which will remain visible.  As before this has been done with a mix of white gesso and Woodland Scenics Earth Undercoat which is a greenish shade.  The two mixed together give a colour approximating to fresh concrete and the gesso helps the paint to bond with the metal supports.  

More decisions have been made and acted upon as regards the final appearance of the halt.  The R076 footbridge kit which was to link the platforms has been abandoned.  It is basically a train-set kit and somewhat over-scale.  It required lowering which isn't too much trouble but the span also required shortening which was fussy and required a good deal of filing and rubbing down to get a good centre join and match up the cross-braced "ironwork".  The trouble then being that the smaller the actual model became the more it showed up as being over-scale.  The step treads were visibly too wide and it appeared squat and rather silly.  

I have a Bachmann Scenecraft concrete footbridge which is almost a perfect span and near ideal height.  It only required a little resin cutting to trim the bottom couple of steps off which protrude beyond the sidewalls.  That too has been painted with the gesso / paint mix and has had a mix of fine Peco scenic products added.  These are a grey and a pale buff "ash" which are allowed to grab onto the wet paint.  When dry most of that is brushed off to leave a textured effect resembling concrete.  That will be weathered down in due course.  Many of the SR halts had a lattice-iron footbridge which the R076 closely resembles but working in a small space the scale of that kit was simply wrong.  

The Down side platform building has also been sourced.  This is a Bachmann / Kernow MRC "Boscarne ground frame" signal cabin.  The brick base has been rubbed smooth and painted green to match the wooden base of its opposite number, the Shillingstone shelter on the Up platform.  The small gap at the front of the building, which is for point rodding and signal wires, has been filled with an offcut of resin from the footbridge which almost precisely fills the space; once the paint went on no filling was necessary.  I found Jo Sonja's Forest Green Background was a perfect match for the SR green of the model which I had disturbed whilst rubbing down the brickwork base

I'll try to arrange the pictures so that they display correctly but yet again they only show sideways as soon as I try to post them.  

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looks very nice Rick - the concrete has come out particularly well. :thumbs

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Petermac wrote: looks very nice Rick - the concrete has come out particularly well. :thumbs
Thank you Peter.  Concrete is so often represented with just paint.  Limitations of scale make textured finishes harder to achieve without looking over-scale but I think the ash mix I am using just about passes muster.  

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The grey matter has been exercised in terms of creating platform surfaces which resemble the concrete slabs turned out by Exmouth Junction works.  Foam-board covered in fine grit is too thick and too coarse texturally.  I have opted for card.  In order to achieve the distinctive joints between the slabs I have scored the card and hope that will be sufficient to show through when painted.  
 
Placing the card onto the "concrete" supports has shown up a problem; the joins should line up with the supports.  They don't.  I am not about to uproot all those posts and reset them and shall have to live with this.  My error, my problem.  The posts should have been set 18mm apart but checking the jig I used to measure up they are more like 22mm apart.  Facepalm.  Blue air moment.  
 
Also shown is the first test-painting of the conductor rail which needs to end up looking dull black in the web and shiny on top.  








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Both the card surface and third rail look excellent Rick.  By not "lining up with the supports", do you mean at the back or front edge ?  They look perfect at the back edge.  If it's not glued down and/or painted yet, you could mark the joins on the card before fixing it all down................ :roll:

Do you employ wheel-tappers ?  There's a chasm in this rail so I forsee a few cracked wheels.  :shock: :lol:



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Petermac wrote: Both the card surface and third rail look excellent Rick.  By not "lining up with the supports", do you mean at the back or front edge ?  They look perfect at the back edge.  If it's not glued down and/or painted yet, you could mark the joins on the card before fixing it all down................ :roll:

Do you employ wheel-tappers ?  There's a chasm in this rail so I forsee a few cracked wheels.  :shock: :lol:



In the overhead view from my post it can be seen that the "front-to-back" scores on the card do not always coincide with the position of the metal posts as they should do.
The "chasm" in the rail has been investigated and is within my tolerance for expansion joints.  It has never affected running up to now though is a bit wider than might be ideal.  

It will take very little effort to mark fresh strips of card with the "front-to-back" scoring lining up at least more closely with the posts.  The concrete slabs used are a square and a half of that square across the width of the platform so I also have to take care to not upset that symmetry too much in attempting to correct my own mistakes.  

In terms of surface painting I think a general "concrete" colour with a little very fine powder in might do the trick followed by a little very light weathering with the powders.  There is plenty of card to try a few things on first.  The minor local difficulty at present is getting the right sort of paint.  Woodland Scenics do a "Concrete" base colour but to order it requires paying more in courier fees than the paint costs whilst to physically visit shops is not as easy as it might be due to the general world situation.  

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Oh dear.  There has been something of a pause in the story.  It was summer after all and it was permitted to go outside and enjoy the weather after a period of restricted movement.  
 
This past week has seen a little activity on Waddlemarsh including fitting of most of the remaining conductor rail, the yard lights and placing (but not fixing) the yard buffer stops.  More ground cover has gone is from time to time as well.  Also now back in place is the yard crane,  
 
The con-rail is Peco code 60 on their own plastic insulator pots intentionally spaced every five sleepers when prototype is every four because the sleeper spacing on Peco track is wrong.  This will be dummy so the slight irregularities will not matter.  In correct style the conductor rail changes sides in this case once clear of the station and features run-on / run-off ramps created by simply bending the end of the rails with pliers.  
 
The yard lights are not yet wired in nor weathered but are fixed in place.  The buffers are a mix of Peco rail and sleeper types and will be painted before fixing.  I had thought about having illuminated lamps on them but the ready-to-use versions are rather expensive for my needs and would probably need the power of an LED much reduced to resemble a dimly-glowing oil lamp.  












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And a little more progress as a pair of 2EPB units cross at Waddlemarsh Halt apparently powered from the third rails. 

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That looks lovely Rick.

Well done,

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Looking absolutely great Rick, and well worth the time and painstaking detailing - it now looks completely convincing.  Super weathering of everything, it has that well worn look across the whole scene..... mavellous!
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Gwiwer wrote: And a little more progress as a pair of 2EPB units cross at Waddlemarsh Halt apparently powered from the third rails. 


Looks great. The third rail looks tricky to get right but you’ve got it spot on. Reminds me of where I grew up next to the old ‘Miseryrail’ 

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A miserable day outside has caused some work to be done inside.  
 
Card strips to form Waddlemarsh Halt's platforms have been painted to resemble concrete slabs.  The required joints will be scribed in later and weathering applied in due course.  
 
I also received a delivery of Ancorton security fencing recently which is destined to become chain-link boundary fencing for much of the goods yard.  The angled tops and accompanying barbed wire might not be used but the rest definitely will.  I need to weather the wire mesh but had to paint the posts first.  
 
In other news I have sourced some (approximately to scale) corrugated metal sheets which are destined to become the Down-side waiting hut.  These are from a war-games supplier eBay username aha21  The first couple of packs arrived looking perfect so I now await the required balance for construction.  These sheets can be seen in the first image below.
 
I have a deadline of 17th November for presentation of a working work-in-progress layout on video for Hayle MRC's virtual winter exhibition.  That deadline will be met with time to spare.  
 
For reference the paint mix I use to give the concrete effect is white gesso as a binder and stiff base, Woodland Scenics Earth Undercoat and Jo Sonja's "Smoked Pearl" and "Unbleached Titanium".  The textured effect is created by adding to the mixed paint a little very fine powder - in this case Peco grey ash from their track weathering kit.  
 



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The third rail looks tricky to get right but you’ve got it spot on

Several sources suggest it is tricky.  I didn't find it too bad at all.  Peco Code 60 rail is a reasonable match for SR conductor rail and their plastic insulator "pots", while a little fiddly to cut off the sprues and handle due to their size, are also a good enough representation of the type in common use until around 20 years ago.  

According to some who have done it before a 0.8mm hole is required in the sleeper end to accept the locating spike on the pot.  I found 0.9mm worked far better and gave easy location but a snug fit which only required a pin-head spot of superglue to ensure nothing popped out.  The pots are not glued to the rail itself.  

As the conductor rail is dummy precise positioning is not required although it must allow free passage of the train collector shoes above it and indeed across it at junctions.  The pots sit nicely down in their pin-vice bored holes and the rail as seen in my images is prototypically higher than the running rail.  Those holes were bored around 1mm inboard of the sleeper end and as close to the centre of its width as I could get without creating a fine-tolerance jig.  

For Bachmann stock the shoes clear it by a gnat's whisker and are almost precisely aligned to it.  Hornby units are less refined and the shoes are both slightly higher and sit somewhat outside the line of conductor rail.  The Dapol class 73 and DJM class 71 both clear the rail by enough but have shoes close enough that they appear at a viewing angle to make contact with the rail.  

A number of other items have been run across the third-rail section.  Dapol class 52 locos have (if you choose to fit them) fine brake rods sitting low on the bogie frames but they are nowhere near the conductor rail.  Nothing else I have tested so far is even remotely close to making unwanted contact so I am happy that I have struck a comfortable medium.  

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Having added a little third rail to my Southern layout, you are being very modest.  It is time consuming and fiddly and requires both patience and a steady hand.  You have done a fine job of a tricky task..... fancy popping over and finishing mine off?!   :mutley
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From past postings, I think Rick has both patience and a steady hand in abundance Michael !!  Do you remember those platform frames he meticulously placed ?  I also think Penhayle beach scene was done grain by gain ............ :mutley

When I read your posts Rick, it makes me delighted I'm not modelling the Southern ..................... :cheers

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I also think Penhayle beach scene was done grain by grain ............

Not quite, Peter, but it took time to get the result I wanted.  And it took visits to numerous beaches before I was happy with the sand itself.  I finally located extremely fine rock-sand on Edithvale beach; the much nearer Frankston beach, which looks perfectly sandy, is comprised of coarser shell-sand.  

The platforms are going down as we speak.  Three of four card sections are glued into place and the fourth will be done later tonight.  Once firmly glued they will be scored to resemble the required concrete slab appearance and the textured paint applied to the surfaces will also be weathered down.  

Speaking of steady hands and patience one of the jobs I then have to do is to paint the white line along the platform edges.  

And then there's the chain-link fence ..... Ancorton Models security fence.  I am playing around with weathering this to bring down the shiny metal to a more "used" appearance.  The first test painting is shown.  As is a single supoprt post for reference.  




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Testing colours and opacity. It looks like weathered rail to me. 
Woodland Scenics Black and Slate Grey acrylics plus Dark Rust weathering powder for the running rails. Black paint and powder for the conductor rail which weathers differently. A hint of rust at the run-on ramps which should blend into an even black when it’s all dry. 

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It looks great Rick but what a chore having to treat the two rails differently.  How do you clean off the running rails and do you let the paint dry before doing so ?

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Petermac wrote: It looks great Rick but what a chore having to treat the two rails differently.  How do you clean off the running rails and do you let the paint dry before doing so ?Peter yes I do let the paint dry first. I then run the rubber lightly along the rails. It helps that the Peco track rubber is an ideal width for the job. 
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A couple of new views from Waddlemarsh Halt.  The Motor Luggage Van is not a type which would normally be associated with the area represented but it may have been routed that way on route to Eastleigh Works from time to time.  My fixed overhead lighting cannot illuminate the front end when stopped in the Down platform but a portable set-up may be possible in the future to address that issue.  


The bare Dart Castings "running-in" board which will in future carry a modelled version of the usual enamel name sign is placed where I intend it to go on the Up platform; its twin will in due course appear at the approach to the Down platform.  


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The platform surfaces have been weathered down. Scored lines mark the edges of the concrete slabs. Darker weathering has been added along and around those joints. A closer view of the effect of texturing the surface during initial painting. 



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The first panel of the Ancorton security fence is ready. 

As supplied this has angled tops to the posts and pre-drilled holes for (supplied) barbed wire. I have cut the tops off because photo references suggest far from all fences in the 1950s and 60s had the barbed wire toppers.  My memory is of fences without it or with a single strand directly above the chain link. 

Posts have been painted the same concrete base colour as the station platforms and the chain link has received a wash of dark rust and grimy black weathering powders mixed with water. 

Assembly is a little fiddly as the posts must be super-glued to the mesh before placing the panel where needed. 

First image shows the painted and assembled panel and then placed where required. Further weathering of the posts is required as is blending in at ground level with a little growth climbing the mesh






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I'm sorry Rick but to me, most chain link fencing on offer looks way over scale and I'm afraid your hasn't altered my opinion.

The posts look good and you've done a great job of weathering it but sorry, I just think it detracts from the excellent work you've done elsewhere up to now.

I have seen fine toile netting used before and that looked reasonable but I suspect it would probably need treating with starch or something similar first ................

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Peter - a dilemma I had myself as the mesh is badly over-scale and cuts out some of the view through to the backscene but has to retain its integrity somehow.  I need a fence of some sort along the back between the grassed area on the backscene and the goods yard.  Any other suggestions?  In the 1950s / 60s I am sure such things would have been chain-link of some sort and at least 6 feet high.  Nothing is fixed down as yet.  I now have two panels placed and will consider my own feelings as well as others on the subject before proceeding too much further.  

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All I can suggest for any kind of "link" fencing Rick is that fine nylon netting - maybe the type used in wedding veils.  Given the current lockdown, you might get a good deal on an unused dress ..................... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I wonder if it would stiffen with a coating of superglue rather than starch. Maybe hairspray or Kleer might toughen it up enough to retain it's form ................

It really is a problem, I know but to me, overscale fencing just spoils things ........................... :???:

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I may have a compromise to avoid wasting the investment in the Ancorton fences.  I can use some across the end of the goods yard which is not in the main line of sight but requires fencing off from the backscene houses.  I can also use a couple more lengths in other less visually-intrusive spots.  I have in mind perhaps at the opposite end where I have yet to create the visual break between running lines and fiddle yard but which is intended to be crossed by a girder bridge.  That can have chain-link beneath it to secure the railway from errant youth!!!  
Another thought is that I can cut the panels to half-height and use them as 3' not 6' fence which will reveal more of the backscene.  

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I understand your predicament Rick.  I suppose it all hinges on how much you'd invested in the Ancorton product. But I do think you'd be happier substituting it when it's in full view.

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Maybe have the 6’ fences here and have 3’ fences along the main viewing area?  

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That works for me Rick. :thumbs


Far less obvious than the original site and in fact, it looks the part there too.  If it suits you, I'd definitely go with that. :cheers

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I haven't done any real work these past few days but instead have tried to get the layout into running order in order to film a video for Hayle MRC's Virtual Christmas Exhibition.  

Some persistent electrical problems showed up but largely related to dirty point blades and the as-yet not connected frog switches.  I am therefore reliant for now on blade contact for power supply.  There remains one dead spot and I have a couple of "transitions" to remember where a train passes from one circuit to another.  

The track is far from billiard-table standard.  That causes some bumps in the running and a couple of items persistently derail in the same spots.  There isn't a lot I can do about that short of ripping it all up and starting again.  As you may recall the boards are some 12-13 years old and were stored outside in Australia before being brought back to England when I came home.  About half of the track is the original laid at that same time so distortions are not unexpected.  

Nevertheless I managed enough material for the requested 10-minute video which has been filmed and edited with only the narrative to dub on tomorrow before it is complete.  

A few still images, which will be incorporated in the video, may be of interest.  

Two trains pass in the halt.  A 2-Hal unit pauses on the Up side with a 2-Bil unit showing headcode 35  on the Down.  These types were used interchangeably by BR Southern Region from around 1960 when newer stock was built for the Kent Coast routes formerly worked by the 2-Hal type.  Still a lot of detailing work to do here including fitting lights, platform benches and the scratch-build of a corrugated waiting shelter on the Down side.  Plus levelling of the footbridge and other buildings. 



The goods shed was weathered and fixed some time ago but is in a corner making photography difficult.  With the lights and the SLR in use today I got a better result than previously.  The pantechnicon is in the colours of Lucking & Sons of Washington, near Worthing, well-known theatrical removers of the time.  



Finally this is where the control panel will live.  It isn't fixed down yet and all but the track power has yet to be wired in.  More switches are on order and will permit powered operation of points and the small number of semaphore signals on the layout.  Some economy will result from crossover points being wired and fired in pairs which was done when the boards were first built years ago; the under-board wiring remains good and just needs connecting to the panel.  The train is a Bachmann class 20 with Heljan "Dogfish" ballast wagons.


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A piece of the action.

The fuel oil tanks arrive from Fawley behind an SR "Crompton" BRCW Type 3 and will be taken on by an LMR loco to Cricklewood diesel depot.  Later in their lives these locos became, and are widely known now as, Class 33.  

On the Up passenger line a 2-Bil set calls at Waddlemarsh Halt.  The driver appears to have forgotten to remove the headcode from the rear - a not uncommon sight in the 1960s when these were metal stencil plates and not the end-of-train marker as were the later red roller blinds.  

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Very nice Rick. Great to see some movement on Waddlemash. I think one of the drivers needs to go and do some training as as you said they did not remove the the the headcode but also there was a signal incursion! You have a great knack of making everything look so real!

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The signals are not yet wired up so it was passed at danger under authority ;-)

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Nice video Rick - the layout looks bigger than I'd imagined.  :thumbs

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Petermac wrote: Nice video Rick - the layout looks bigger than I'd imagined.  :thumbs
Thank you.  The board featured here is 230 x 65 cms.  Around the corner the other board supporting the goods yard is 210 x 65 and that includes the two hidden sidings for the passenger lines behind the backscene.  The 10-road fiddle yard is 175 x 50 cms.  Not huge.  Quite a challenge to get everything in and achieve a through end-to-end passenger line with concealed storage at both ends.  

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Some very nice weathering on show in that video, Rick.
Both on rolling stock and lineside.

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The next little project is the construction of the corrugated waiting shelter for the down platform. The style is taken from the Sussex coastal halts. The construction is scale corrugated sheets located through a wargames supplier and braced with scrap foamboard which was to have been used as the platform surfaces. 







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That corrugated sheeting looks very interesting Rick.  Most "model" sheeting I've seen in the past looks like a scale 18 inches thick - yours looks really thin.  
Who was the supplier please ?  The wargamers seem to be about 50 years ahead of us - I've no idea why.  Is it because they throw more money at it or because it's popular with the wealthy youngsters ? 

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This is really thin Peter.  It cuts with a scalpel blade or scissors but has enough rigidity to be used for construction.  As it comes in panels it needs bracing if at all possible to keep a structure rigid though that might not be necessary if using it as a fence for example.  It also bends readily - in my case I have used the edge of a steel rule as a former - so giving me an overlap around the corners.  Individual panels are superglued together.  
This comes from eBay seller aha21.  Currently out of stock but of course these things can come and go.  



The finished piece should resemble this one at Aldrington near Brighton.  This image, which also shows the construction of the halt which I have attempted to replicate in model form, is a screenshot taken for my personal reference and copyright of the original is acknowledged but unknown.  Posted here under fair dealing for research purposes only.  


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Four walls joined. Roof panels placed but not trimmed nor fixed. Boards will go where the window should be.

 

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A new arrival in today’s mail. The latest iteration of the Kernow MRC D6xx “Warship” class is this factory-weathered green syp version of D601. Two other new (pristine) versions are also available. 
Despite already having six models for a class of only five prototypes I choose to support Kernow MRC with these items which would rate among my global favourite diesel classes of all time. 

“Ark Royal” awaits the road into Waddlemarsh yard with a parcels working. 




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That really looks the part. 

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I don't like them Rick but, as a model, she looks brilliant - excellent photography too - really sharp. :thumbs

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Petermac wrote: I don't like them Rick but, as a model, she looks brilliant - excellent photography too - really sharp. :thumbs
The D6xx have won a few awards now including Model of the Decade which is a worthy accolade for Chris and his team at Kernow MRC who endured a wait of years and setback after setback in bringing these to market whilst never settling for second-best.  
The photography is among the first images taken on my new iPhone 11 which has replaced the older SE model.  That required a new battery (not expensive in itself) and was too old to run the NHS Test & Trace app so an upgrade (which was quite expensive) was a sensible option. 

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Work on the “tin” waiting hut is nearly complete. It has gained door and window frames, several coats of paint, a “target” name sign and some rust. 

The platform side will normally face away from the viewer. The image looking across the tracks is taken from the far side towards the viewer / operator using the phone’s “selfie” camera. 

The base is not its permanent one; brick supports will go under each corner in due course. 






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I can see conventional cameras going the same way film cameras did - into the history books Rick.  First it was digital - that, after a half hearted battle, killed off film cameras and now mobile phone cameras are rapidly replacing what we think of as cameras.  I was eventually dragged kicking and screaming, from my rolls of Kodak Ektachrome and Ilford FP4 into the digital age but have yet to invest in a sufficiently "up market" mobile to justify kicking my cameras into touch but I fear it will only be a matter of time ...............................

They are so good - amazingly good in fact and they're all basically point and shoot to boot.  I recall not long ago, needing a photo for my online passport renewal.  I have a friend who has some high-end Nikon camera gear so asked him if he'd snap one.  Arriving at his house, I was surprised to see him sporting his mobile.  This is for a passport, says I - none of your Happy Snaps for this.  Ah no, he replied - this mobile takes better pictures than the Nikon and it's far easier to use.

Speaking of camera history, whilst looking for something else the other day, I unearthed my original Sony Betamax portable video outfit carefully packaged alongside my next generation Olympus VHS camera and recorder.  I was delighted that both outfits still work although the Olympus batteries are dead so that outfit only works via a mains adapter.  Amazingly, once charged up, the Sony battery worked !!  The Betamax must be pushing 40 years old and the Olympus around 35 years old.

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Waddlemarsh is attending its first exhibition this weekend.  

This is a "virtual" event held by the Hayle MRC / Duchy Railroaders whose regular shows I should have been attending through the year to demonstrate weathering.  

I was kindly invited to submit a video of Waddlemarsh as an in-build project to the Christmas "virtual" exhibition which I duly did and which will apparently qualify it for an attendance plaque.  

It's not my first layout at an exhibition but it will be my first attendance plaque.  

Either scroll through the playlist until you find Waddlemarsh or enjoy the lot.  There's over three hours there to keep us all entertained.  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-06N-u3SBXzxS_DisbRaaCMCO4thh0dM&fbclid=IwAR3Jowl9326RLxRpGHYU5OyjEpUoOb9km16Ag_VUSarVvFxi7LpdhN82Fjk

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Baby steps. 

A small piece of ground cover has been added. The wooden supports for buildings and footbridge landings have been covered with printed card better resembling floor boards than the Bachmann “walkways”.  That then gained some weathering powder brushed across to dull the print and give a more “used” look. 

The wooden areas and small buildings have then been glued into their final positions. 



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The tin hut now rests on its brick supports. It has also gained boards where the windows should be and a pair of as yet unused notice boards. Still bits and pieces of detailing required here. 




The “target” name signs, custom printed by Trackside Signs, have been applied to their brass-etch brackets (and are mostly straight!) from Shire Scenes. 



Finally the station footbridge has been set upon its brick-and-concrete supports with the steps correctly meeting the platforms. Again some detailing to complete but it’s another step forward. 


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Waddlemarsh has received its first (and my first) attendance plaque without it having moved an inch from my room 

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It's all looking super Rick.  It has really come together as a very realistic scene and well worth the hours of patience. I think it is a giid idea to get all of the structures and main scenic stuff done first, and then finish off with those small details, or it can feel like one is making no progress.  I think you will enjoy adding the finer points in place more, as well.  That's what I'm doing at Faversham, I can add some bits and pieces as and when I feel like it, or as I have a particular idea, but the layout as a whole feels like it has made a big step forward.
I like the texture of your footbridge, and the corrugated metal building has turned out very well.  A much deserved first exhibition plaque too!

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More small steps. A number of fence panels has been fitted around the footbridge to keep passengers from falling off!  I am also slowly building up the half-height version of the chain-link fence for the goods yard. Unlike the full-height section these lengths will have barbed wire toppers. 





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As the halt develops it requires lights.  I had purchased a couple of packs some time ago thinking they might be of use but neither is.  One is a GWR swan-neck style and the other would be far too large and are street-style metal posts not concrete.

So a quick internet search brought up a link on the NRM forum which will be of use.  I now have a couple of packs of Ratio SR concrete-style platform lamps with 1930s-style shades which are exactly what is required.  These are just the plastic kit so non-working but have been made operational by the poster on NRM.

I therefore have some of the small pre-soldered LEDs on order to complete that task and present the halt with working lights in due course.  It looks fiddly but I already drilled a large number of very tiny holes for this station and can probably manage a few more!  

It's an interesting bit of modelling and if the poster is also on here perhaps they could stand up and be thanked.  

https://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=55782

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It does look extremely fiddly Rick - and obviously requires excellent eyesight and steady hands, neither of which I possess any longer.

The end result is excellent although there must be a fair old bunch of knitting under the baseboards if each LED has a resistor ......................... :roll:

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Petermac wrote: The end result is excellent although there must be a fair old bunch of knitting under the baseboards if each LED has a resistor ......................... :roll:

I understand how he has done that - I think - but I am hoping that wiring in series will keep things to a warm glow illuminating the platforms without anything in the "knitting" also emitting a warm glow! 

I need some resistors to drop the 12V output from the controller down to 9V for the signals so the same may also be adequate for the lighting circuit.  There are also a handful of yard lights which also need to show a dim glow rather than a brilliant white light. 

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I really am most impressed at the authenticity of everything Rick.  Love the Southern though I do, it is not the most aesthetic of lines, but you are modelling it superbly.  Just noticed the hand rail on the footbridge, too.  First class modelling and detailing.  A really super job.
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It is really coming on nicely! Some great details. I think I’m going to order some of the Shire signs for Teasel they look very effective. 

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Waddlemarsh wishes all its friends and followers the best possible Christmas and New Year season under the circumstances 2020 has delivered to us.
If I thought the year had done with me I had another rude think coming.  I have been in bed unwell since Monday last week with a severe case of gastro-enteritis.  No sooner had that shown the tiniest signs of easing, which was yesterday, than the annual gout attack arrived.  

We had already planned a quiet Christmas with just the two of us (plus cat) since the only option to visit has been my sister and her adult family.  We would have exceeded numbers, required a hired car, had to sit outside and all of that so we settled for just us.  In the end it was Sharon watching tv with me rugged up in bed - though I did manage a few hours slumped on the sofa for Christmas - and doing what ever she could to keep me comfortable.  

The festive meals will wait - nearly everything was in the freezer anyway - and I am just starting to recover with all day on the sofa today and somewhat more eaten than for the past week altogether.  

I won't be returning to work for a while.  I am due back on Tuesday but having been so unwell am not prepared to return part-fit and invite Covid in through a wide-open door.  

On the good news front Sharon finally received her PhD formally on Monday from the Australian National University meaning I am officially married to a doctor.  But of environmental history not of medicine! 

The picture is of the Hill of Strawberries and was painted recently by a neighbour.  


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congratulations Dr Sharon. :doublethumb

and I hope the cat is OK after your troubles Rick  :mutley

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Best wishes for a complete recovery Rick, presumably dehydration from the gastro didn't help on the gout front.

If it can cheer you up a tad, an old friend of mine, just having had something "done" to his prostate was advised by his Doctor "IT IS essential to drink at least 2L a day." "Ah!" replied Wim, "that's at least 3 bottles", thinking only of his potent home brew. I don't think I ever saw him drink a drop of water in his life!

Pls excuse the tongue in cheek comments in following post, I couldn't resist. Lovely modelling.

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Finally the station footbridge has been set upon its brick-and-concrete supports with the steps correctly meeting the platforms. Again some detailing to complete but it’s another step forward. 



Ah!  A "classic" example of mid 20th Century Brutalist Concrete Railway Architecture. 

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Well the s***show which 2020 has become rolls on to its bitter end and I shall not be returning to work to see it out. Medical opinion now formally insists that the earliest I can consider returning is the 4th January and that depends upon presenting myself with a full recovery and a negative test.

At least I have plenty of time to rest and refresh. The problem is now that I have slept and dozed so much of the past ten days that at 3am today I am wide awake!

I am waiting for a few more bits to arrive in order to complete the lighting on the platforms but so far - he says with everything possible crossed - it is proceeding well. If you saw the clip I linked to then that is the look I am going for but maybe with the level turned down somewhat to a dim incandescent-style glimmer. If necessary I can paint over the LEDs to help that along. It's a technique I have used before.

The gout has almost certainly been brought on by dehydration arising from gastro. I was wary of taking the usual medication for a day or so because it is known to upset stomachs if taken on an empty one. I waited until matters were more normal but it hasn't given any relief this time. What has brought near-instant relief is cherry juice. We don't know why it works but Sharon read it somewhere so we had a bottle in reserve just in case. The relief from pain was remarkably quick - within minutes. What it doesn't do that the NSAIDS would is to reduce the swelling and the discomfort which arises from walking on a foot almost twice the size it should be. At least I'm not screaming in pain.

And Sol can rest assured that no cats have been harmed.

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Sorry to hear of your troubles Rick. You might try cranberry juice instead of cherry juice.
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Super D wrote: Sorry to hear of your troubles Rick. You might try cranberry juice instead of cherry juice.
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Thanks Derek. It has been tried in the past but cherry seems to work much better for me.  

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Sorry about the gout.

I started getting gout a couple of years ago and can attest to how painful it is.

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At this rate I might actually parade fit and healthy in the morning!  Gout has eased to the point where it is at worst a slight inconvenience.  The other Christmas delight settled down at New Year.  

In the past few days I have received a pack of resistors and more tiny lights.  I shall have to start some electrickery soon.  It's not a part of the hobby I look forward to even if the results can sometimes be rather good.  



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Glad to hear you've moved up to "walking wounded" Rick - unfortunately, that means you'll have to leave the warmth of home to go and mix with the dreadful "public" !! :lol: :lol:

I also think it's very bad timing to have some lights delivered just when you're fit enough to think about going back to work .........................

Looking forward to seeing them installed. :thumbs

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Progress of a sort. 
The crossover unit which was giving me endless electrical problems in its electrofrog form has been rebuilt with insulfrog points and crossings. A couple of touches with the soldering iron to power the double-slip and we’re in business. 

The temporary set-up of merging the tracks is gone and the intended configuration has returned.  And it works as intended.  One minor task remains namely to switch the power to the one siding leading straight off the slip. This powers up no matter which way the slip is set but a simple insulated joiner and a push-to-make switch will fix that. I could use an on-off switch but don’t have one handy. I do have a lot of push-to-makes in stock

The wiring will be hidden from view because with this piece of the jigsaw fitted I can now build the last piece of backscene which will obscure the view of the sidings from the camera - but not totally block the operator’s view. 


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Wow that is some price of kit and looks ‘fun’ to power correctly.  A very good use to maximise space though.  

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That's quite a complex looking piece of pointwork Rick - I'm not surprised you had tl scratch your head to wire it up.  Looks good though.  :thumbs

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TeaselBay wrote: Wow that is some price of kit and looks ‘fun’ to power correctly.  A very good use to maximise space though.  The standard version is four points and a crossing.  My custom-built one replaces one point with a double-slip to give maximum flexibility in minimal space.  It comes at the cost of slight wiring complications however even in insulfrog form.  As one wires the outer curved rails of the double-slip so the power will pass along the sidings no matter which way the blades are set and only be cut by a point farther into the yard being set against the road.  

So a couple of insulated joiners are required and a couple of simple switches.  I thought just one but two will be needed because both exits from the double-slip towards sidings require an insulated joiner fitted to prevent powering up when not required.  

Just imagine this in electrofrog.  I had it built, I tried every which way and suggestion (and with a lot of help from some very knowledgable modellers) but it wouldn't play ball.  There were always shorts somewhere and always at least one dead section.  


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A test run of the new Bournemouth line express stock as 4TC trailer unit 416 passes Waddlemarsh Halt propelled by push-pull fitted D6511




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TeaselBay wrote: Two fantastic shots there. Thank you Chris.  I hope there will be many more to come.  Any layout will have its natural "sweet spots" for photos - the trick is to fond them if they are not already obvious.  Framing the view through the footbridge seems pretty obvious to me and to my mind it also shows the texture and subtle variation in colours I have achieved in what is a scene representing concrete slabs and panels for all its major structures.  

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Some of your layout pictures look like actual prototype photos Rick.The way you've represented concrete in particular is really convincing.Excellent modelling my friend and your layout just oozes Southern Railway detail.
Cheers,John.B.:thumbs

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Those are indeed 2 brilliant shots Rick - JohnB is right - it just oozes "Southern" and for me, that's not good news !  :mutley
The scene is extremely realistic - so realistic in fact, that it wouldn't look out of place further north .......... :cheers

Well done Sir. 

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Once again thanks for the very supportive feedback. I really need a decent outdoor day to press on with some wiring. I can't solder indoors because it sets the smoke alarm off and I can't solder outdoors in pouring rain and just 3C.

Some things have to be done. I really must get on with wiring otherwise I'll be snookered when it comes to fitting it all together if I complete all the scenic work first.

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I have to agree with everyone, Rick, lovely photographs.  We could see the atmosphere and sense of place you were creating as you took us through the build, so it's no surprise just how authentic it all looks at the "end" (if there is ever an "end").  And great to see typical Southern modelled so well - ignore that PeterMac!  :lol:
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Headmaster wrote: ............................................. And great to see typical Southern modelled so well - ignore that PeterMac!  :lol:
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Regarding soldering Rick - is it wires to rails or other junctions ?  I haven't yet found a means of connecting wires to rails without solder but all the other joints have excellent alternatives to solder.  I have tried to avoid using solder under the baseboards - I'm too old to scramble about under there and my skin seems to be too delicate to catch the hot drips without it hurting ..................  I'm guessing you don't have access to a garage or shed of some kind - given that Strawberry Hill is in the temperate zone of the UK, you might have some wait for a fine, warm day .................. :roll: :lol:

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Petermac wrote: Headmaster wrote: ............................................. And great to see typical Southern modelled so well - ignore that PeterMac!  :lol:
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Regarding soldering Rick - is it wires to rails or other junctions ?  I haven't yet found a means of connecting wires to rails without solder but all the other joints have excellent alternatives to solder.  I have tried to avoid using solder under the baseboards - I'm too old to scramble about under there and my skin seems to be too delicate to catch the hot drips without it hurting ..................  I'm guessing you don't have access to a garage or shed of some kind - given that Strawberry Hill is in the temperate zone of the UK, you might have some wait for a fine, warm day .................. :roll: :lol:

Ah soldering.  

Addressing Petermac's question I use the Peco "power joiners" where I can as they come with pre-soldered wires (one red, one black) and are available in Code 75 and Code 100 versions.  They sit nicely between the toe-end of points and the plain track beyond but cannot be used on the outer curved rails when wiring a slip-diamond.  

The smouldering iron was out today.  It's not too warm outside - just 7C - but it has to be an outdoor job.  In the afternoon sun it was just warm enough for fingers to work and the job to be tinned.  

One block of switches has been prepared and now only needs me to scramble beneath the boards (which in turn requires extraction of the numerous crates and boxes stored in that space) to be connected to points and tested.  

The panel has started to look like it may become a panel!  There are a few parts still awaited following last year's Peco shutdown but mostly it's all here and the only delay is me.  

Six cradles of switches will be required in all.  Four to operate points, one to operate lights and one to manage the various insulated sections.  The controller will sit to the left of the switches.

When feeding the wires from the switch cradle through the hole in the panel and towards their eventual destiny beneath the layout each pair of red / black wires was taken in turn and labelled.  If left unlabelled how am I to tell which is which when the cradle is fixed in place and I am trying to wire one switch to one point motor?  

Regrettably the usual incompatibility between iPhone and Forum has resulted in the images not being displayed correctly.  My usual "fix" of rotating then saving them has not fixed it this time either.  





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Phil.c wrote: I had to lay on my side to view those :)
That’s good. I was on my side taking it! 

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Phil.c wrote: I had to lay on my side to view those :)

Huh - you think you've got problems - Rick can only operate the layout from a prone position ................... :mutley :mutley

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Petermac wrote: Phil.c wrote: I had to lay on my side to view those :)

Huh - you think you've got problems - Rick can only operate the layout from a prone position ................... :mutley :mutley
Fortunately not the prone position required by those very unwell in hospital. 

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Petermac wrote: Phil.c wrote: I had to lay on my side to view those :)

Huh - you think you've got problems - Rick can only operate the layout from a prone position ................... :mutley :mutley

And if you think that's a problem imagine how hard it is for the trains to balance on the rails at that angle!!! 

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Gwiwer wrote: Petermac wrote: Phil.c wrote: I had to lay on my side to view those :)

Huh - you think you've got problems - Rick can only operate the layout from a prone position ................... :mutley :mutley

And if you think that's a problem imagine how hard it is for the trains to balance on the rails at that angle!!! 

Magnadhesion?  ;-)

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Well if rurning is what you want, I can also help.  I have rurned many a thing....

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I'm not sure but I don't think rurning is too popular in France.  I wonder, do they televise it in UK ?  I'd quite like to see it ......... :cheers

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I regularly rurn guys, but never in public ! Aparently its frowned upon :mutley

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I'm sure it would go down well in France Matt - particularly post-brexit.......... :mutley

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Barchester wrote: I regularly rurn guys, but never in public ! Aparently its frowned upon :mutley
Isn't that rurnist?  I mean - who in their right mind would frown upon a rurner?  

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The panel is slowly being wired up. 




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Should use DCC Rick, it's only two wires :mutley



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Ed wrote: Should use DCC Rick, it's only two wires :mutley



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I'm not sure about the third orange wire from the left Rick? Not to confuse things, I don't mean the black one which would be an obvious choice. :mutley

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Phil.c wrote: I'm not sure about the third orange wire from the left Rick? Not to confuse things, I don't mean the black one which would be an obvious choice. :mutley
Don't worry about a thing Phil.  They are all paired up and labelled.  "Red" or "Black" :roll:;-)

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I'm glad to hear that, and that's a brilliant idea, simplifies things a lot !

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Black and white levers are for the points. I wanted all one colour but Peco's ongoing supply issues determined otherwise. I have twelve each white and black and will paint the white ones black in due course. White to a signaller means "Spare lever". In most places a black lever is a point / switch.

I don't go in for facing point locks at this scale so my blue levers, which would otherwise activate FPLs, and which are on-off rather than passing-contact switches, will be for the various isolated sections of track and red levers will be, correctly, for stop signals. I have one yellow lever but no distant signal on the layout so it may remain in the "bits box" unused for now.

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I have yet to make my control panel so I shall be following this keenly...

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I have yet to prove to myself that I can build a control panel!  Penhayle Bay never had the one which was intended.  It always got by with its various controllers and an array of 50 or so Hornby lever switches perched in an inverted spare baseboard (so with the perimeter bracing facing up not down and preventing anything falling off!) 

Space here forces me to site the panel on a corner of the actual layout rather than beneath or in front of it.  The white board is an offcut of marine ply with triangles of chipboard as its sides which will give it a slight "towards me" angle rather than everything sitting flat on the main board.   I have to make a few large holes in the main board for wiring but that will pass through in looms; the small white panel however requires numerous smaller holes as shown above to accept the wiring from each bank of switches and from the main power controller.  That will sit in half-depth recesses bored into the ply keeping the controller just above its surface allowing air to circulate beneath it.  


I have a week of annual leave booked in early March with which I can do nothing outside owing to the continued presence of this ruddivirus.  As full wiring requires a lot of items to be moved out from under the layout - and then returned when the job is done - I hope to take a few days of that week to completely disrupt everything in the room and wire up beneath the boards.  Some is already done.  Most points were pre-wired when the boards were first built a surprising ten years ago now.   All that is needed in most cases is to connect A and B and test that it all works.  The lighting will require rather more work and might not be completed just yet.  

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Job lot of platform lamps being wired up. 


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They look interesting Rick - a little too "modern" for me but where did they come from - maybe they do an older model ..........

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Petermac wrote: They look interesting Rick - a little too "modern" for me but where did they come from - maybe they do an older model ..........Ratio item 454 "SR Lamps" which require painting despite the appearance of some shop illustrations.Pin vice with a 0.5mm bit to bore a pilot hole through the shade followed by a 0.8mm to allow two wires to be threaded through.  The shades were also slightly bored out with a 5mm bit to accept the LEDs in a recess in prototypical fashion.  And a job lot of pre-soldered LEDs from China.  You will also need resistors to dim the lighting from "dazzle" to "glow"  


I am taking my inspiration from this post which I found through a simple internet search.  Note that he says a 0.05mm drill bit.  That is much too fine even if such a thing exists.  0.5mm is correct.    https://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=55782

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Petermac wrote: They look interesting Rick - a little too "modern" for me but where did they come from - maybe they do an older model ..........
I don't know about being "too modern", Peter. The Southern was producing pre-cast concrete fittings and fixtures from the 1930s onwards.

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Let’s do the time-warp again ..... 
 
Newly-arrived Kernow MRC / Revolution Trains Cargowaggon is tested on the tramway-radius corners of Waddlemarsh using an 07 as traction.  
These are superb wagons. Well out of my themed era but one was purchased anyway.  I am pleased to report it rolls freely through even my tightest curves. 





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What radius is that curve Rick ?

The bridge and backscene look great in that shot. :thumbs

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Petermac wrote: What radius is that curve Rick ?

The bridge and backscene look great in that shot. :thumbs

It's a flexi-track curve so not to a fixed radius.  End-to-end it is 400mm or about 16 1/2 inches.  At the mid-point it is somewhat tighter than that and probably close to the 370mm (15 inch) or so of First Radius fixed-geometry track 


Appreciate the comment on the scene; getting that right wasn't easy.  I am stuck with joins in the sky for now; I hope they can be eased out with pastels at a later stage but for now they can be dealt with in photo-editing software when it matters.  

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Oh. There are wires everywhere!  

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Waddlemarsh Halt in the sun. This scene is making good progress. The first platform light is placed but not yet tested and working 

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When needs must. 

I cannot solder indoors. The puff of smoke may trigger the alarm. Any spill may harm the carpet. 

But there is always modelling space. In this case on the potting bench outside the back door.


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Those lights are going to look superb Rick.I had to smile at the photo with wires everywhere...I suspect a few on here will be getting a feeling of deja vu with that one!It seems to have been a real feature of the Southern that if it could be made in concrete, then it was...they were real pioneers in that way!  Waddlemarsh continues to deliver!

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Another day another little piece of the jigsaw conplete. 
The “off-scene” view through the footbridge requires scenic decoration for some distance.  The curve of the track, necessary to accommodate the sharp bend, takes it almost to the edge of the baseboard. 

The photographic backscene is therefore curved to match the track and has required a small piece of card to be glued as an outrigger to the baseboard to avoid a gap. 

This has now been fitted and the area ballasted / greened so that the view through the bridge appears to be a continuation of the main scene. 


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THAT is playing mind games with my eyes Rick.  Very clever !
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Progress on the panel. 
Switch banks now glued and screwed down; controller placed. 

I am not happy with the position of the controller. It blocks too much of the view.  My thinking is to cut the angled panel such that it only holds the switches and mount the controller flat on the baseboard. 



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And they say it's all done with mirrors !!  That card does the job brilliantly Rick - from the front, it looks miles away - from above, the illusion is evident - well done Sir !

Love the control panel - Morley I hear, are very good and can almost compete with DCC ..................almost ! :lol: :lol:

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So .....
Someone miswired four of the six switch banks. :oops:  I was following the wiring diagram for signals not points :brickwall

Today the top pair were rewired correctly which was tricky but far from impossible. The levers click inti the cradles but are not fixed so they come back out with a little persuasion. 

Tomorrow will see the middle pair rewired. The lower pair are fine - bottom left is for signals anyway and bottom right is on-off switches for isolating sections and those should all be correctly wired. 

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Rick, now if you had gone DCC, that is only two wires they tell me !!

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So it is, Sol, but which two? 
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I've got a headache .......... :shock:.

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Petermac wrote: I've got a headache .......... :shock:.
May I prescribe some Red Laughing Water?  :cheers


It seems to help with my muddling headaches.  Including rewiring those switches which isn't half as bad when merlot-assisted :thumbs

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Petermac wrote: Merlot ?  Is that some kind of energy drink Rick ?  :lol:
If energy is measured in merlots then yes. It says 750ml on the label :mutley

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More multi-coloured spaghetti has been installed meaning that I can - should the mood take me - connect the ends and test the points nad signals over Easter.

Which will be ironic given that the real railway some 47 metres (50 yards for those playing at home) away from our back door will be closed for nine days over Easter while the Gentlemen of Network Rail tinker with signals and the level crossing.

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You should pop on your high viz and hat, Rick then nip over with your 'official looking clipboard' and tell em before they can do the big stuff they just have to show you they know what they are doing by wiring up and testing ' this here Diorama'   :thumbs

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Barchester wrote: You should pop on your high viz and hat, Rick then nip over with your 'official looking clipboard' and tell em before they can do the big stuff they just have to show you they know what they are doing by wiring up and testing ' this here Diorama'   :thumbs
:mutley :mutley :mutley

There was a Zoom session last night for local residents.  It my opinion they trotted out the office-boy rather than the project-manager and failed to answer any of our questions to our satisfaction.  Assurances were given much as they have been before but the reality has always been different.  We shall see ......  

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It may look a mess for now but the control panel is wired, a track plan drawn up and the brick abutments and retaining walls for the road bridge are under construction. 














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Your making good progress Rick ! Fair rattling along  :thumbs. Reminds me spaghetti for tea tomorrow night  :shock:
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Without mentioning the bundle of wires :roll:,  that's nice looking brick paper on those bridge abutments Rick - what is it please ?

Oh, yes, nearly forgot - you said they were going to be messing with the signals on the real thing outside your house over Easter - well I think they've been practicing on your layout and haven't got it quite right yet :


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The brick paper is a Scalescenes download. You’ll find it in the Scratchbuilder’s Yard section.

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Thanks Rick - maybe it's the lighting but I didn't recognise it as being one of John Wiffen's - must go and have another look ...................

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Slowly slowly buildee bridgee. 

The “feet” or “pads” have been taken from a Dapol (Airfix) girder bridge kit I bought second hand ages ago. The kit builds into something looking over-scale but too narrow for my purposes.  Each is cut in half for this build. 

The rest is foamboard, card, Scalescenes brick print and Peco girders. 



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And a reference shot found on the internet that I am using as a guide.  This particular one is quite near here at Morden South and therefore not a million miles from where Waddlemarsh would fit into the map either.  

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More work on the girder bridge. The brickwork is almost complete.  The girders are placed as a guide. The signalbox has been placed where it belongs and with the view checked for the signalman in all directions.  The signal right by the box is required because this track is an exit from the goods yard so bi-directional through the platform

The roadway will not be straight but include a slight angle over the centre pier.  Once the structure is complete and has a deck the ground levels will be adjusted for the entire structure to become fixed down. 

I cannot promise that a bus wll not appear on the bridge at times!  









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The bridge is coming along very nicely. Going to look brilliant when it’s finished. 

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TeaselBay wrote: The bridge is coming along very nicely. Going to look brilliant when it’s finished. Thank you Chris 
Add a curved sky panel behind it and a small return to enclose the section of board which is beneath the bed and Bob’s yer uncle. 


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Easter weekend being traditionally a time when chunks of the railway shut down for major engineering works I have followed their lead and spent much of today crawling around with wires, choc-blocks and tools whilst muttering in frustrated tones.

The result is that the first three switches on the panel are fully wired and working and I now have proven isolation where required in the larger fiddle yard.

The next few switches to be wired will be points in the same area though I am still a couple of motors short of the total required. I did have enough but then found a way to power a couple of points which I had expected would have to remain manually-operated. Motors are ordered and are somewhere in the Great Peco Log-Jam.

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Young Sir, I think you have more than earned a glass, or two of the Amber nectar, Relax, imbibe, and then when sober ! Carry on with knitting these wires  :thumbs

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Well the best laid plans of mice and men .......

As fast as I did one thing another problem popped up. Wiring up the panel has produced some unexpected quirks. The wrong points firing (easy - swap the wires at the choc-block), an expensive oops when the wire pair labelled "Points 7" proved to be "Track power 1" and blew up the CDU, a persistent buzzing from point motors which turned out to be constant operation and possibly due to a short somewhere. Replacement of a pair of electrofrog points with insulfrogs in order to remove another short and separate track circuits completely (not too taxing - a bit of rewiring and a swap-out of track pieces) and then more buzzing from more motors.

Swapping of wires between motors and levers apparently traced the fault back to the levers (everything else works fine) so a small number of spares is on order to see what happens. It is possible that some were damaged or an internal short has arisen during the soldering of wires to tags; it shouldn't happen but a there's a lot that occurs in the world that shouldn't happen.

The state of play as of Easter Monday night is this:

Four electrical circuits for track power have been partially re-wired to avoid overlaps and to account for the replacement of the tricksy electrofrog crossovers by insulfrog units which allow for simpler wiring and easier isolation.

Circuits 1 and 4 work as they should. Circuit 2 requires a slight re-wire. Circuit 3 requires more work including some switched isolation. We're getting there.

Half the point motors are wired and working. None of the lights or signals are yet wired up. The platform lamps are not yet in place as they require further detailing before installation.

I am awaiting some lever switches and point motors mostly as spares but a few are required to complete the wiring. The package is due on Wednesday.

Onwards and upwards.

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The trials and tribulations Rick, your certainly coming up against it !
Think you've earned  a Wee glass of something   :cheers

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Barchester wrote: The trials and tribulations Rick, your certainly coming up against it !
Think you've earned  a Wee glass of something   :cheers

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There will be a glass of something - and probably not a wee one - when everything works as intended.  That will leave me more time to complete the scenic side of things which is what I derive more satisfaction from.  Electrickery is not my "thing" even if it does include my name!  

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Shakespeare wrote a play about wiring up his own layout Rick - it was called "A Comedy of Errors" ...........

All these things are sent to try us but you'll get there in the end.  In the meantime, it's a good excuse to go and buy another bottle .......... :cheers

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Petermac wrote: Shakespeare wrote a play about wiring up his own layout Rick - it was called "A Comedy of Errors" ...........

All these things are sent to try us but you'll get there in the end.  In the meantime, it's a good excuse to go and buy another bottle .......... :cheers

Wasn't that "The Comedy of Terrors", Peter??

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SRman wrote: Petermac wrote: Shakespeare wrote a play about wiring up his own layout Rick - it was called "A Comedy of Errors" ...........

All these things are sent to try us but you'll get there in the end.  In the meantime, it's a good excuse to go and buy another bottle .......... :cheers

Wasn't that "The Comedy of Terrors", Peter??

:hmm :cool wink


A Comedy of Terriers Waddling down the Marsh ??   Hat, coat, gorn



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Terrier is short for Terrifier isn't it? It certainly is where four legged "friends" are concerned though they are no friends of mine.

Meantime another small step forward has corrected a short across one of the double-slips and I reminded myself why I wired two tracks to one circuit - it saves a lot of switching and isolation!

My reward has been a Brandy and Lovage for the nightcap.

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The Peco log-jam seems to have un-jammed at least so far as I am concerned. Switches have arrived. As have various other bits. Defective switches on the panel are being replaced as and when they are identified - so far only one but I suspect there may be more.

Re-jigging of the track wiring is also taking place which will enable simplified operation at the minor cost of having to "hand over " trains from one controller to another for certain moves.

At the end of this there will be four quite distinct electrical zones rather than the five I once had planned. This makes redundant the GM Combi hand-held controller which therefore goes back into stock as a spare.

A couple of extra plastic joiners need to go in and a couple of spurs need to be soldered across existing ones (if I can't replace them with metal ones easily) which are no longer required in order to pass current continuously.

Thinking long and hard about things I don't need the Up and Down passenger lines to be separately wired because there's a short section of single line where they merge then diverge at the entry to hidden sidings. I cannot therefore run two trains in opposing directions at the same time. A quick flick of two levers will allow an Up train to stand, isolated, in the station, while the Down train arrives. Flick back and the Up can depart, flick again and the Down then departs.

Then there's the ongoing girder-bridge end-scene to work on. Plenty going on.

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More juggling of wires takes place most days. I am rewiring the track supply and moving a couple of insulated joints.  Here the double-slip in the yard now has power feeds to the outer rails instead of at each toe-end. Exit roads are either insulated or frog-switched. The two black wires and IRJ at the join to the left are new and feed back to a switch controlling power to this road which otherwise remains live.  



The panel looks a bit more complete. I measured (twice) and marked the holes for the push-to-make buttons and wasn’t best pleased to find them incorrectly spaced when fitted. These control the isolated sections along the loco road. 



Finally a view across a busy goods yard which is (at last) powered and working without a short though at the modest inconvenience of having to “hand over” between controllers for a couple of moves 


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Nice Rick, are you a bit happier with the electrikery fettling now that you are getting into it? It took me a while but I found the effort well worth it. 

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Hi Marty always good to hear from you.  

The elecktrickery is slowly morphing back to an insulfrog format which I am more comfortable with.  The remaining electrofrog points feed switched sections or dead ends where they should self-isolate when the frog switches go live.  If not I'll suck a few more thumbs .....  

Crawling underneath the boards today to wire up more bits.  Also stripping out redundant wiring which was put in for another project years ago and is no longer all required.  Some will still be used.  It's not as easy under the boards as it was ten years ago when I last did any amount of that sort of thing!!!  

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Crawling underneath the boards today to wire up more bits.  ........ It's not as easy under the boards as it was ten years ago when I last did any amount of that sort of thing!!!    
tell me about it !  getting down is easy , getting up..no way !

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My mother told me, as she moved into her eighties, “the trick to getting up is to remember how sheep do it, first roll over onto your tummy and get all 4 legs under you!” :lol::lol:
I seem to recall that I sorted my electro frogs by insulating every rail join on the point, toe end and diverging ends, and wiring each piece of adjacent track with its own dropper. 

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Marty wrote: My mother told me, as she moved into her eighties, “the trick to getting up is to remember how sheep do it, first roll over onto your tummy and get all 4 legs under you!” :lol::lol:
I seem to recall that I sorted my electro frogs by insulating every rail join on the point, toe end and diverging ends, and wiring each piece of adjacent track with its own dropper. 

I have never found it necessary to use that many insulated joiners, but even so, it is wise to add as many as you are conmfortable with. Years ago, on my old layout, I had cab control on the branch line, with the shortest section being the Peco double slip, which had insulating fishplates on every rail joint and its own power feeds. I never had any electrical problems with this, as a result of being cautious like you have been.

As for getting up, I have to roll over as your mother suggested, heave myself onto all-fours, then creak into a bent-over position, before gradually straightening up, accompanied by a few groaning noises.

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Some natural sunlight this morning gave an interesting effect. The water tower is newly fitted. 

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Fully-powered testing over the weekend has revealed one more short this time on the loco-release crossover in the goods yard. It doesn't clear with isolation but instead the track goes dead. I can't be sure of what lies beneath the electrofrog points in terms of clipped or spurred wires without taking them up. If I take them up the easiest "fix" is to simply replace them with a pair of insulfrogs which I already have to hand. Accordingly the crossover will operate with insulfrog points since power is already supplied at both toe-ends and all will be well. He says - with fingers very firmly crossed!!!

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Something different today. Take one Wills “Wayside Station Building” kit. Turn it into the yard mess complete with grotty potty. 
First built was the outside “pissoir”. 











Colours used were Jo Sonja acrylics with Forest Green, Olive Green and Moss Green roughly mixed into each other for the screens, Raw Sienna with Olive Green for the s**thouse door, Warm White for porcelain and Raw Umber for floor and roof. The entire job was detailed with green, black, grey snd ochre weathering powders. 

Then the main building. 









Colours for this were Smoked Pearl interior walls distressed with Fawn, Fawn also for the floor, Forest and Olive Greens mixed for windows, doors and trim and lastly Railmatch Stock Cream and Concrete mixed 2:1 for the external walls. The floor has received brushings of various mixed weathering powders. 

At the end of the afternoon the job was incomplete but this is how it currently stands. 

There remains the chimney, rainwater goods and a couple of detail bits to add. The exterior can then be weathered and the paintwork tidied up as required. 

The two parts will be joined together and take their place in the goods yard allowing the resin “Shillingstone” building which is currently there to move around next to the signalbox. 

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For want of a pin ...... 
I'm out of rail joiners.  No idea why.  I mean yes they have all been used which is why I have none left but ..... I need to join four ends of track and there's none left.  :thud

Such small packets.  Small value.  Hardly worth adding £4 postage from Camborne to a £6 order.  Thank goodness for the Rainforest Delivery Company and someone somewhere who is happy to sell a couple of packs and not charge me for the postage!  :Happy


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Hi Rick, just searched Ebay for SL-10 and came up with £4.80 & free postage, you might be able to improve on that.
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fourtytwo wrote: Hi Rick, just searched Ebay for SL-10 and came up with £4.80 & free postage, you might be able to improve on that.
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Cheers Roger.  £3.89 postage free here so a tiny saving which would be of no consequence to me in the scheme of things.  Two packs of Code 100 and two of Code 75 ordered with the latter being marginally more expensive and yet to arrive as they are coming from a different place.  Both ordered through Amazon however.  

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That looks good Rick - presumably all your own weathering ?
A short "what I did" would go down well for we novices ...... :roll:

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What a delightful shot and great weathering Rick.

Defo a +1,

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Petermac wrote: That looks good Rick - presumably all your own weathering ?
A short "what I did" would go down well for we novices ...... :roll:

In that particular case the van is commercially weathered (by Lord & Butler "Dirty Boy") by airbrush though I have run a dirty powder-brush over it as well.  The work on the loco is all mine.  

I shall have to see about the "What I Did" though you can hardly call yourself a novice.  There's a video on my You Tube channel.  Let's see if I can find the link.  This was done originally for the Hayle MRC virtual exhibition when Covid caused them to cancel the "real" one last May.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xM8A1Gr2_o&feature=youtu.be

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Oooh look. A new 2EPB unit on a delivery run. 



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Push-pull testing at Waddlemarsh today.
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Very nice videos. Starting to blur the lines between model and real!

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Agree... terrific modelling Rick... just ask Nigel in his brown suit to stand up straight when you are filming will you, there are places for slouching, Rick's railway is not one of them.  :lol:

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Wow - that looks so good Rick. As Chris said - starting to look just too realistic to be a model.  :thumbs

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Gents - thank you kindly for your generous comments which are very much appreciated.

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6-car trains are marginally longer than I can comfortably run on the passenger line. Only one siding at one end will accommodate them; the other hidden turnback holds five but six tuck in clear of the points (though foul of the other line) so can be run out and straight back. 
Here a Bachmann 2-EPB unit leads one of their 4-Cep units and proves that two motored units plus a mix of power-bar and loop couplers can cope with the sharp curve just off-scene around the corner of the room. 

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Waddlemarsh will not feature a shed although it does have a “shed road”. Water cranes are already fitted but the need to disguise a surface point motor presented the opportunity to create an “informal” coal heap on the departure roads. 

E4 32494 looks to be in need of a bunker top-up. 


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Clever. Could have been a pile of ballast or stack of sleepers but I like the coal. 

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I like that adea of the informal coal heap, Rick. I could use that and ballast heaps for some of my above board point motors, but will have to be careful not to overdo it.

Waddlemarsh has really come on in leaps and bounds.

:cheers

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Main line stock through Waddlemarsh as a 4-Cep unit runs in beneath the footbridge. 

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Excellent layout and a great weathering video Rick. When you have finished applying the weathering powders do you spray with a fixative of any kind, matt varnish perhaps?  If not, what prevents the powders from being removed with handling?
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Thanks Terry. I don’t routinely seal the powders but do handle stock with rags (old t-shirts cut into large squares) to prevent the dreaded finger prints. Those are the enemy. Powder does sometimes come off over time just as airbrushed paint can turn a bit glossy and look odd. 

I do sometimes use the hairspray as seen in the video which works well but only in cases where powders really don’t grab. Some roofs require that. It can also be used to brush in streaks which then stay where put. 

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Thanks Rick.  You have spurred me on to weather something.
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col.stephens wrote: Thanks Rick.  You have spurred me on to weather something.
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Today being a bad-weather Bank Holiday it felt appropriate to engage in engineering works. 

It may not look much but all ten sidings have been pinned down where previously they were loosely placed. So that’s about 20 yards of track. All roads have had uncouplers fitted to aid the removal of locos and a low retaining wall of black card has been installed to prevent anything falling onto the office desk below. 



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It’s been a very long time since the “West Country” got to stretch her legs.  








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Good work on the yard - these things may not be glamorous, but they need doing, and it all looks exceedingly neat.  Lovely West Country class out and about too.
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And here we are almost ready to roll. A couple of point motors still to connect and still one short of a full set owing to the Great Peco Shortage. Its day will come. 

1 - 5 roads are for the electric passenger lines though will also offer and receive van trains at times. 6 - 10 roads are for the goods yard with 10 road used here for loco storage. This is not intended to be a permanent arrangement and was done for convenience on this occasion. 

It might seem odd having 1 road the farthest from rather than nearest to my workbench and desk but when operating the layout and taking the end-on view the roads are 1 - 10 left to right. 


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That is looking very impressive now, Rick. Keep up the good work.

:cheers :cheers

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Plenty of stock movements available there. Glad the wiring is getting where you want it to be.

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Finally a view across a busy goods yard which is (at last) powered and working without a short though at the modest inconvenience of having to “hand over” between controllers for a couple of moves 





Hi,

I'm interested in your (SR) Covered Ventilated Vans as seen in the yard, I can't find many RTR or kits, just PC 594 which has a different roof (I think). What was your source or were they non-region specific?

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Finally a view across a busy goods yard which is (at last) powered and working without a short though at the modest inconvenience of having to “hand over” between controllers for a couple of moves 





Hi,

I'm interested in your (SR) Covered Ventilated Vans as seen in the yard, I can't find many RTR or kits, just PC 594 which has a different roof (I think). What was your source or were they non-region specific?

Regards,

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Hi Colin

The first van in the rake seen here, which is the one I think you are referring to, is Bachmann item 38-082D and currently available.  Also available is 38-076D which is similar but metal-panelled rather than timber-planked.  

Does that help? 

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Marty wrote: Plenty of stock movements available there. Glad the wiring is getting where you want it to be.Ah yes.  The wiring!!!  Always a bane of my modelling life.  It has required a lot of swapping electrofrogs for insulfrogs to get it there but as this has largely been a lockdown layout in terms of getting things up and running I have had no option but to do it myself.  

I do acknowledge the generous offers of help from a couple of RMweb friends in other parts of the world but it would have taken a skilled pair of hands and knowing eyes actually on the layout to have had everything wired with electrofrogs.  

In the end it hasn't made a great deal of difference to the operations; if I do find a short wheelbase loco pecks or stalls over a point I can always wire up a brake van to act as a runner and power-jumper.  Insulfrogs mean that I can run with four and not five electrical circuits and therefore one not two controllers but with the minor inconvenience of having both the passenger lines as a single circuit.  So no trains passing in the station - at least for now because there will be a way of splitting them again in the future.  

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SRman wrote: That is looking very impressive now, Rick. Keep up the good work.

:cheers :cheers
Generous words Jeff for which I thank you.  Coming from a modeller with as much skill and experience as yourself in the same areas that is praise indeed.  :cheers

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That's one heck of a yard Rick. :shock:  I don't know why, but I imagined you were restricted to a plank 2 inches wide and 4 inches long .........................   What is the overall measurement of the layout ?

Those Pacific kettles were quite something.  As a nipper I was always a big fan of the West Countrys,  Battle of Britains, Clans and Merchant Navys. :thumbs  Looking at them, it seems silly to call them "Light" Pacifics .............

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Petermac wrote: That's one heck of a yard Rick. :shock:  I don't know why, but I imagined you were restricted to a plank 2 inches wide and 4 inches long .........................   What is the overall measurement of the layout ?

Those Pacific kettles were quite something.  As a nipper I was always a big fan of the West Countrys,  Battle of Britains, Clans and Merchant Navys. :thumbs  Looking at them, it seems silly to call them "Light" Pacifics .............
The room is 14 feet by 10 feet.  Or about 4.5 x 3 metres for those playing in French.  The board used for the main fiddle yard is a mere 18 inches wide (yet accommodates 10 tracks as you can see) and while the sidings are of differing lengths according to the approach tracks and pointwork the longest holds 7 Mk1 carriages or vans - or a loco plus six.  

The layout runs down one long and across one short wall of the room in an L-shape giving a maximum end-to-end run of just under 24 feet / 7.5 metres.  Not enough to run full-length express trains but plenty to offer typical outer-suburban 4-car passenger trains and short freights.  And plenty to have fun with in the fairly near future when the operational side is fully wired up.  

I think "Light" Pacific was the term used to get around WW2 restrictions on new-build locomotives.  The WC/BB classes had to be described as "mixed-traffic" locos to be approved when they were really express passenger types.  The MN was even more a top-link express passenger design.  That said all served their time on freights and secondary work with the as-built WC/BB types famed for trundling a pair of carriages through north Cornwall at a very sedate pace towards Padstow.  The rebuilt ones, the MN and the S15 class were all too heavy for those routes and were largely restricted to working east of Exeter.  

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Hi Colin

The first van in the rake seen here, which is the one I think you are referring to, is Bachmann item 38-082D and currently available.  Also available is 38-076D which is similar but metal-panelled rather than timber-planked.  

Does that help? 

Thanks Rick,

I'd not spotted that one as it is from a later period. The ones I'm after were made in the 1930s to fit my setting, like this one on the Bluebell

SR Even planked 12T Ventilated Van - Bluebell Rwy

this was an earlier design of the van you quote, and good news after further research, Parkside (Ratio) have a kit PC564 for it.
Your 38-076D will probably be the later uneven plank version (1941-44), also available in kit form PC 591.

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Thank you for those compliments, Rick. I'm sure I don't deserve such high praise.

On the subject of the SR vans: as you and Colin have said, Bachmann produce a number of variations on the theme, not always all available at the same time, and there are the older Ratio kits (now in the Parkside range), but there are also several RTR variants in the Dapol range, albeit with less detailed underframes than the Bachmann models, but they are also cheaper.

ColinW, the obvious searches would include SR or Southern Railway, but you can also find a few of these models with LMS branding, because they purchased some to the Southern designs.

Variations include even planking (earliest type), uneven 2+2 planking (later - perhaps during the war), and later still, plywood sides.

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SRman wrote: ...

ColinW, the obvious searches would include SR or Southern Railway, but you can also find a few of these models with LMS branding, because they purchased some to the Southern designs.Variations include even planking (earliest type), uneven 2+2 planking (later - perhaps during the war), and later still, plywood sides
Thx Jeff,

The LMS angle is helpful, it explains something I'd seen but didn't understand. I'm looking for some variation to what is presently too biased to GWR in my holdings! SR and LMS are the most likely externals to have turned up in my 'parish"

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Q1 33032 arrives in Waddlemarsh yard with a train of short wheelbase vans 

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Lovely vans Rick.  When are you planning go finish the loco ...... :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Petermac wrote: When are you planning go finish the loco ...... :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You can go off some people, y'know :mutley

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The privy has landed. Glued not to its own kit-build mess room but to the resin “Shillingstone” one which is a better fit in this spot. 





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Love it - a finish to aspire too. I made my own version of the Scale Model Scenery one that is a similar stucture but the lads at the model club liked it so much I gave it away. I can always cut and make a new one.

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Sunday special traffic. A class 52 “Western” arrives with condemned coaching stock. 

The chocolate / cream coach is a Hornby Railroad item bought for demonstrating weathering. It is not intended to be a runner and its plastic wheels object to code 75 point frogs. 


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N-class 31874 looks to have had some problems judging by the smokebox door. Washout or scorching due to water shortage?  




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It may not look much but it takes ages.  Today I have been working on the girder bridge supports. The basic structure was done a while ago. Today has seen parapets and a little architectural detail added.  I need to print off some more Scalescenes sheets to complete this before the roadway is cut and fitted. After that the pieces will become a whole structure and in due course the backscene will be taken around behind to complete the view.  This is a freelance scratchbuild based on the bridge at Morden South and using foamboard, card and Scalescenes prints. 






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Looking good Rick.    :thumbs

I hope that buffer is well bolted down .........not much scope for a speeding loco ....

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Petermac wrote: Looking good Rick.    :thumbs

I hope that buffer is well bolted down .........not much scope for a speeding loco ....

It's the yard headshunt so speed should be kept well down!  Any over-runs would end up embedding themselves in a lot of very solid brickwork:brickwall   and would result in the driver receiving a "Please Explain".  

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Oh look! A piece of artwork in that solid brick wall. It looks like someone has carved a good likeness of a class 33 "face" in the wall.

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Waiting.  Waiting. 

BRCW Type 3 “Crompton” D6551 ticks over on the shed road while electro-diesel E6007 waits to leave with a van train 


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I liked those locos Rick - the Cromptons I mean, not the electro-diesels.

Very nicely weathered - by you ?

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Petermac wrote: I liked those locos Rick - the Cromptons I mean, not the electro-diesels.

I have always had a bit of a soft spot for them.  They have quite a ferocious snarl about them when under power.  The sound of a pair tackling the 1:80 of Honiton Bank on a summer Saturday train to the West Country could have had much of East Devon wondering what that sharp bark was all about.  The same pair starting the return working up the notorious 1:37 from Exeter St. Davids to Central which has the added inconveniences of a standing start and a sharp curve would have roused any of the former GWR chiefs from their eternal slumbers!  

Very nicely weathered - by you ?
Thank you - yes.  


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It hasn't gone quiet.  It's gone a bit cutty-sticky!  

I have been building the girder bridge sidewalls from Wills Vari-girder kits.  This involves sticking a lot of small pieces together to form one whole.  The completed spans will also be double-sided in order to accommodate a road scene which therefore doubles the amount of kits and preparation required.

The kits include parts to accurately represent the top flange and splice plates as well.  I found them easy to prepare and - with the aid of a stout metal ruler - easy to align and glue.  

These will sit inside the main girder span and prevent train-spotters being able to cop numbers passing below.  The prototype image shows the general arrangement.  










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The bridge girder sections are now complete and painted. Painting was with Woodland Scenics Slate Grey roughly mixed with Jo Sonjas Smoked Pearl and Titanium White.  Railmatch Rust was then dry-brushed onto and in places worked into the not-quite-dry “grey” colour. 















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The plates look fantastic Rick.   All brush painted or did you spray the trusses ?

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All brush painted. I used a 1cm flat sable for the grey and a stiff bristle 1.5cm flat for the rust. Thank you. 

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I love the rivet detail and your finishing off really brings out the detail, well done. Rivets were something I tried, without success, to make from scratch on my model ships (1/76 scale) Had I known about these kits I could have cannibalised them to use as window and scuttle frames.

I will certainly keep this in mind if I build another ship - perhaps a wharf scene on my layout and waterline model. Food for thought.

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More attention to the metalwork. Detailed with rust, black and dark green weathering powders which adds a patchy effect to the main girders and brings up the rivets and joints on the inner ones. And posed for a hint of the finished product. 





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It's an unusual structure. You have captured the right look very well there, Rick.

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Excellent work - very realistic.

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Superb bridge Rick.looking back at your prototype influence pic, you've absolutely nailed it!!!
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Slowly progressing.  The first two side girders are now glued to the deck. So far not finally positioned nor fixed to the supports. 

The deck is 3mm foamboard topped with black card. One or other was not sufficiently robust but the two-layer construction is both light and sturdy. 


A new view of the approach to Waddlemarsh Halt opens up for trains entering from the fiddle yard. 




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That's brilliant Rick - an amazing view under the bridge.   :thumbs

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Fate sometimes smiles

I had expected to have to spend hours checking every wire, every connection and every circuit following the last switch-on which showed a short through the CDU. 

I put that off and, frankly, couldn't be faffed with it any more.  

Today I was tinkering with a few bits including wiring in the last few point motors; those are the ones where I had to wait for supplies of the motors due to the pandemic shortages.  

I pinned a motor to its point and was wiring back to the switch when I discovered a fully-wired motor hanging beneath the layout.  I have no idea why.  I don't recall leaving it there and the fact that it was fully wired suggests it should have already been attached to a point.  It showed tell-tale signs of burnout; there was a dimple on the top of the plastic housing suggesting excessive heat and the sliding tie-rod wouldn't budge.  

As I took the wires for the new motor back to the panel I discovered which point the rogue motor should have been fitted to; quite by chance it was the one I was working on.  So I wired in the new motor and removed the rogue and its wires.  

Power on.  And HEY :lol:  No more short.  Not even a buzz!  Problem solved without ever having checked a connection! :thumbs


No click and no movement from the point either but that's more than likely down to a wire having been poked too far into a choc-block somewhere and fixed by the sheath not the bare end.  That should be an easy fix.  


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That was indeed most fortunate.  But then, don't we make our own luck?  Glad it is all (almost) working perfectly.

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A session beneath the boards today completed the wiring of points and isolation switching. There is now a very satisfying "click" every time a point lever is thrown on the panel. A few needed the polarity reversed to achieve the desired position of having the lever in the "up" position with the point lying "normal". Using the Peco switches this was easily achieved by unclipping the switch lever from the frame, rotating it through 90 degrees and replacing it! Even easier than swapping two wires somewhere in the circuit!

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Another day another order .....

Step-down module required to ensure the Dapol signals receive their preferred 9V from the 12V output. Not expensive and a lot cheaper than burning out a motor and replacing a signal.

While I was at it I ordered a few spares as point motors are occasionally wont to fry when you don't have another. They never do that if you have a spare in stock! The loco-release crossover in the yard has some sort of point-motor problem which I suspect relates to the age and quality of its original wiring. The quick answer is to replace both motors with new and - on this occasion - with Peco wiring looms rather than attempt to solder connection upside-down beneath the boards.

Everything else works as it should. But I want to re-jig the track power circuitry which at present limits the operation on the passenger line to one train because it's all on one circuit. I can reconfigure that to have Up and Down tracks on separate circuits which will be easier now that some electrofrog points have been replaced with insulfrogs.

A couple of train moved up and down tonight with all points set from the panel. That's a first.

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Looking great - very impressive weathering too.  I keep saying it, but I must dip my toe in the water sooner or later....
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From the Department of It Never Rains But It Pours .....

All the points were wired up and working perfectly until I connected the final pair of motors which are wired to fire as master-and-slave controlling a crossover. All are wired exactly as Peco say; common power is green with control on the red and black wires. Connect the final wire (green from the crossover) and I get a short at the CDU output.

I have tried disconnecting and reconnecting all the wires in the same and in different configurations. The motors were swapped with new ones from the spares box. Doesn't matter what I do I get a short.

Disconnect the offending points and everything worked fine. Therefore it's not the CDU. Reconnect everything except the offending crossover and there's now a short once again. But this was all working a moment ago.

So I am now engaged in the tedious and time-consuming task of tracking down where the problem lies. Disconnect in turn each and every green wire at each and every connection and choc-block. Already I have eliminated around half the wiring which returns no short when reconnected.

Slowly slowly apprehend simian .........

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The advantage, of course, is that you have a complete understanding of what wire goes where and why and through the application of logic can be confident in your troubleshooting abilities.
I’m not saying that the troubleshooting is quick or easy all the time, if find that sometimes it is and sometimes it isn’t.

It is confidence in the ability to troubleshoot that I find rewarding.

Crack on, you are doing famously!

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The worst part is, one has a short & one spends many hours looking for it & you give up & come the next day & it has vanished ....

Don't ask me how I know...

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Sol wrote: The worst part is, one has a short & one spends many hours looking for it & you give up & come the next day & it has vanished ....

Don't ask me how I know...
Funny you should say that, Sol, because the next day I switched on with the offending crossover still disconnected and got a short.  :twisted:  

So now it's check EVERY wire and connection starting with the greens because it appears to be the common feed causing the problem.  As I have things wired the single lead comes off the CDU and fans out, through a series of chock-blocks working on the one-in-two-out principle, to feed a wire to each motor.  

Already half the wiring has been found to be in good order.  The other half still requires checking as I track down the problem.  

And if it's not in the greens then it's in the reds or blacks.  

Watch this space.  



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Marty wrote: The advantage, of course, is that you have a complete understanding of what wire goes where and why and through the application of logic can be confident in your troubleshooting abilities.
I’m not saying that the troubleshooting is quick or easy all the time, if find that sometimes it is and sometimes it isn’t.

It is confidence in the ability to troubleshoot that I find rewarding.

Crack on, you are doing famously!
Thank you Marty.  
It's the time that is the bug-bear.  And, currently, the heat.  Our rather warm (by local standards) summer with days around 30C makes crawling about under the layout a bit sticky and unpleasant.  

I wonder if it's tempting fate to start wiring up the signals now ..... :hmm

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Persistence seems to have paid off.

I traced one short to touching wires beneath a switch. Problem sorted. Another was traced to a faulty switch but which showed initially as the same short because both switches fed to the same green wire. Replaced switch. Problem sorted.

The reluctant crossover motors also had their switch replaced (previously it had been the original switch re-wired) and that is also now problem sorted.

My stock of spare lever switches is exhausted. My points all work. At present there is no short on the layout.

Now to discover if the signals work. But that has to wait for a voltage regulator to arrive in the mail in order to be suer they receive only 9V off the 12V output. Dapol has conceded that their signal motors can burn out using 12V even though they were initially designed for that much.

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A complete and utter pita. BUT you are getting their Rick  :thumbs

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Barchester wrote: A complete and utter pita. BUT you are getting their Rick  :thumbs

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A complete and utter pitta wouldn't go amiss.  Preferably stuffed with lamb doner meat and surrounded by chips and salad :mutley

Models are often a right royal pain in the posterior though are they not?  Who hasn't felt that at some time?  At least things are moving forwards.  And backwards.  And can now take the required route as directed from the panel without any need for the Hand of God in the yards!  

A few more uncoupling ramps to install and I can then perform arrive-uncouple-runround-shunt and recouple moves all on DC without intervention.  

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A couple of accessories arrived in today’s mail
 
A BR pattern lever cloth as used by signalmen (ok, signallers for those in the 21st Century), and an Acme Thunderer whistle - on a buttonhole chain - inscribed BR(S).  

Both are of course 12”:1’ scale but both will find employment. The rag will be my lever rag (what else?) and the whistle will adorn my work uniform though cannot be used in anger until the pandemic has eased a bit more. 
 
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Petermac wrote: I didn't know whistles were regional Rick.  Does that mean the LNER ones were much larger and blew faster .......... :mutleyIt means the ScR ones whistle with a distinctive accent. :mutley

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After an extended wait and three missed delivery dates my voltage step-down unit has finally arrived. Mysteriously on the very day when I could have claimed a refund had it not turned up. 

Now I can wire up the signals and lighting which should run better on 9V than 12V. 

Only £5 but an important little piece of the jigsaw. 


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Tell me more Rick .......

That looks like an interesting gadget.

What is it, how does it work, where from and what voltage ranges are available ?

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Petermac - a voltage regulator
https://components101.com/articles/what-is-voltage-regulator-and-how-does-it-work

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The first signal is wired and working 
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After another session connecting tiny wires beneath baseboards all the signals currently instelled are now working. Maybe not as smoothly as I’d like just yet but that comes with a little learning on the panel. And as noisy as ever for the Dapol signals.  But they work despite all the clutter!!!  It will look better soon I promise 

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Little bits of fiddling don’t seem to achieve much at the time but they add up. Recent fiddling has seen the girder bridge assembled into one piece and the roadway laid and painted. The footpath is yet to go down and a small gap remains to be filled in the side girders caused by the slight angle between the two spans. The latter is cut and painted but awaits the paint drying before fitting. 
This isn’t in its final position of course but there is nowhere else I can place a long rigid object to work on it. 





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And a start made on the lengthy and intricate task of weathering the rails. 


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And the footpath goes in. Metcalfe self-adhesive pavers which I find require a dab of glue to adhere reliably 




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Nice track weathering Rick - what did you use ?


Regarding the Metcalfe pavoirs, I find them a bit too "hefty" for my tastes.  They may well be the right size - I've never measured them so don't really know - but the joints look like crevises.  I think they're just too thick and much prefer the Scalescenes version.......................just my opinion. :cheers

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Petermac wrote: Nice track weathering Rick - what did you use ?


Regarding the Metcalfe pavoirs, I find them a bit too "hefty" for my tastes.  They may well be the right size - I've never measured them so don't really know - but the joints look like crevises.  I think they're just too thick and much prefer the Scalescenes version.......................just my opinion. :cheers
The track weathering is Woodland Scenics black mixed with Railmatch rust. For the check rails I painted them with just rust first before the top coat. That was a different mix to the running rails using a greater proportion of rust to black 

Those paving slabs are a bit chunky but they stand about a scale six inches above the road surface which looks right. The gaps are quite noticeable but this can be eased when weathering powder is applied as that sits in the cracks. One benefit of using individual pavers is they take on the slight curve along the length of the bridge. 

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Gwiwer wrote: And a start made on the lengthy and intricate task of weathering the rails. 



Hi Rick,

Is this a test to see if we're staying alert? I spy an insulfrog here when AFAIR even in your fiddle yard you use electrofrogs.

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Colin W wrote: Gwiwer wrote: And a start made on the lengthy and intricate task of weathering the rails. 



Hi Rick,

Is this a test to see if we're staying alert? I spy an insulfrog here when AFAIR even in your fiddle yard you use electrofrogs.

Regards

Colin


Not a test, Colin, but a means of eliminating persistent shorts. A few points were exchanged with insulfrogs after I could find no reason for shorting. 

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Oh yes, I remember now

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Colin W wrote: Oh yes, I remember now

Peco has made changes to the design of their points and crossings over the years which is entirely reasonable as part of an ongoing product development process.  

The problem I had with strange and untraceable shorts may have come about because the points are of different ages and designs.  Some are of the older style where it is necessary to clip two wires beneath the blades and to employ frog switching.  Some are of a newer style where the electrical switching is achieved via a tiny plastic boss between the fixed and moving parts of the blades.  Some were laid and fixed down almost ten years ago when the original track and boards were intended for a project which never proceeded.  But as they fed dead-end sidings frog switching should not have been necessary or so I thought; the wires were probably not clipped beneath the blades.  Or alternatively some combination of clipping / not clipping and frog-swtiching / not switching was responsible.  All sorted now.    


Feeding dead-end sidings is one thing but when two of those points form a loco-release crossover and are fed from the toe-ends (one of which is by definition at the dead-end of the siding) then problems arise.  Insulating the joint between the two removed a short but introduced a dead section.  


No matter; the layout now works almost as I intended it to.  The "almost" refers to the limitation of only being able to move one train on the main lines at one time.  There is a short section of single track as the two passenger lines merge then part again into the two holding sidings hidden beneath the main goods yard scene.  There is also a double-slip at the entry to the main fiddle yard.  I could arrange even more switching and isolation but frankly I've had enough of that sort of thing.  Electrickery isn't my strong suit and I tried to keep it simple on this layout whilst opting for electrofrog points to assist smooth slow-speed running.  In the end almost everything runs smoothly through the insulfrogs.  

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Nice - Hornby or Bachmann ?

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Bachmann. And thank you. 

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My work here is done.  Probably.  

The girder bridge has been completed with the addition of white lines along the road (Scale Model Scenery item RX-006 OO) and tiny gratings (a Jim Smith-wright etch) plus a light dusting of weathering powder over everything.  


The next steps are to fix this in place and bring the backscene around behind it thus visually separating the display area from the fiddle yard.  













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Rick the detail in that bridge is outstanding. 

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TeaselBay wrote: Rick the detail in that bridge is outstanding. 
So good that I managed to include the same picture twice :roll: :thud


And thank you :cheers

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[highlight= rgb(248, 248, 248);]So good that I managed to include the same picture twice :roll:[highlight= rgb(248, 248, 248);] :thud[highlight= rgb(248, 248, 248);] [highlight= rgb(248, 248, 248);]

[highlight= rgb(248, 248, 248);]I noticed, but at least it’s not upside down!

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TeaselBay wrote: at least it’s not upside down!

Ah.  Yes.  Pictures and Macs.  


Most pictures these days are taken on my iPhone 11 largely because the current layout is in a modest London-area flat-sized room which doubles as bedroom, trebles as office and quadruples as library.  There's very little space or scope for the DSLR.


Very recently I noticed that an automatic update to my system stored newly-uploaded images to the desktop Mac as HEIC files instead of JPEG (or JPG).  I had never heard of these and there was no warning nor indication of a change.  


Pictures uploaded to this site directly from the phone are JPEG files but are often displayed sideways for reasons of software incompatibility.  So I first took the images off the phone loading them to "Big Mac" at which point I discovered they were HEIC files which no forum I am a member of accepts.  


So another half-hour was spent sorting out a file converter which will now require all phone images to be run through it before storage taking more time until the cyberverse catches up and HEIC images become the norm.  If they ever do.  Remember TIFF files?  High quality images but almost nowhere accepted them.  TIFF effectively died a death.  Maybe HEIC will go the same way.  


Short story - the images you see above were taken as JPEGs, were converted by default to HEICs upon transfer to "Big Mac" and have been re-converted to JPEG for display here.  Fussy or what?  

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