Recent Topics      
YMR logo

You are here:  Your Model Railway Club > More Practical Help > Kit Bashing > Johns 7mm Wagon Workbench To bottom of page
                 

 Moderated by: Spurno Page:  First Page Previous Page  ...  8  9  10  11  12  13  14  15  16  17  Next Page Last Page  
Start New Topic Reply Printer Friendly

Johns 7mm Wagon Workbench - Kit Bashing - More Practical Help - Your Model Railway Club
AuthorPost
 Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2017 05:15 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 241st post
Brossard
Member


Joined: Sat Jul 23rd, 2011
Location: Brossard, Quebec Canada
Posts: 2958
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Hi Rob.  The kit includes ABS moulded parts for the sandbox actuation.  There's also a lever to fix to the door end that actuates the rear sandboxes remotely.  I don't plan on doing the rodding for that though.

Any ideas on making the roof removable?  I would thing crossed 0.5mm NS wire at the front and rear.  I have two concerns:

1)  In an absent moment someone could pick up the van by the roof and it may fall and
2)  The veranda end wouldn't be secured.  The end framing is pretty fragile by itself which is why I left the sprue for now.

John



____________________
John

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2017 06:40 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 242nd post
Rob Pulham
7mm Scale Modeller of the LNER


Joined: Fri Dec 9th, 2016
Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 489
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Hi John,
I have seen small rare earth magnet and tinplate angle used to good effect to hold van roofs on but I can't say that I have done it myself yet - it's on the list to try at some point.



____________________
Regards Rob
Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2017 06:44 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 243rd post
Brossard
Member


Joined: Sat Jul 23rd, 2011
Location: Brossard, Quebec Canada
Posts: 2958
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Well, I certainly never thought of that.  :hmm

In other news, I applied transfers to the cattle wagon today.



After giving the transfers some time to dry, I sprayed on Dullcote.

Slaters provide a sheet of transfers but only for the grouping era.  I had to cobble together what I needed from my Fox collection.

John



____________________
John

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Fri Sep 1st, 2017 12:36 am
PMQuoteReply
link to this 244th post
Sol
A modelling Moderator.


Joined: Mon Nov 28th, 2011
Location: Evanston Gardens, South Aust, Australia
Posts: 4449
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Looks very good John, seems a pity to weather it...



____________________
Ron
NCE DCC ; 00 scale UK outline.
Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Fri Sep 1st, 2017 01:44 am
PMQuoteReply
link to this 245th post
BCDR
Moderator


Joined: Sat Oct 19th, 2013
Location: Reston, Virginia USA
Posts: 3686
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Hi John,

Now that really does look the part.

Nigel



____________________
©Nigel C. Phillips
Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Fri Sep 1st, 2017 02:04 am
PMQuoteReply
link to this 246th post
Brossard
Member


Joined: Sat Jul 23rd, 2011
Location: Brossard, Quebec Canada
Posts: 2958
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Yep, really quite pleased with it.  :doublethumb

John



____________________
John

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Fri Sep 1st, 2017 06:05 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 247th post
Brossard
Member


Joined: Sat Jul 23rd, 2011
Location: Brossard, Quebec Canada
Posts: 2958
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

I got it into my head that a through piped brake must have some means for the guard to dump the vacuum, ie brake the train.

Looking around a thread on the Hornby AA15 model, I found several pictures that seemed to depict the thing I was after.

Here's what I've done:



The pipe is teed into the vacuum pipe under the van.  I don't know exactly what the red thing does, I assume it's a valve, possibly called a "setter".

I also added a vacuum gauge made from a slice of brass tube and plastic rod.  I have Roche's book of locomotive drawings and in it, there are drawings of gauges.  I scaled down a pressure gauge and used that.  Note the fine wire from the gauge to the valve.

I also added the sandbox lever and brake standard.

John



____________________
John

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Mon Sep 4th, 2017 03:59 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 248th post
Brossard
Member


Joined: Sat Jul 23rd, 2011
Location: Brossard, Quebec Canada
Posts: 2958
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

I was wrestling with handrails over the weekend.  I can't think, off the top of my head, of other jobs that I have done that were as difficult or frustrating.



The real thing had 3/4" dia rails which scales to 0.44 mm.  I used 0.5mm NS because it is harder than brass and stays straight.

I found the template on the instruction sheet to be too short - after wasting a load of wire I made a gauge from plastic card for the length.

The verticals were still problematic since they need to be identical.  I offered up the long handrail to the short one to get these the same length in the end.

Of course, the brackets have to be threaded on before adding a touch of solder to the open ends.  I ended up using 188C solder because it's stronger than 145C.

The corner brackets are intended to fit into slots in the body.  Trial fitting with a gauge that spaces the wire 1.5mm from the body I found these to be too short to comfortably secure everything.  I made new corner brackets from brass that are 2mm longer.  I also had to fettle the slots in the body so that the brackets went in easily.

The guards door handle is spaced 1mm.

I finally got things fitted but it was still a fiddle.  I find that CA is a better glue for jobs like this than solvent.  It seems to set harder.

Handrails were primed and the painted bauxite.  This is still pretty rough.  I need to paint the rails white yet, I'll leave that for later when I no longer have to handle it so much.

I added lamp brackets today.  These are Slaters lost wax.  One went "ping" to Lord knows where so I made one from brass strip.  Plastic brackets are supplied but are intended to be butt joined to the body.  This is inadequate to me and they must be pinned for strength (as Slaters are).  I tried to drill the plastic bracket but they're too narrow.

I've also started the steps.  You can see hangers for the guards door.  Also the end hangers.  These are attached with CA.

I still need to add hangers in the center (where the white tabs are).  The plastic hangers supplied are supposed to fit in holes in the sub floor but were too large.  When I tried modifying one, it broke.  I bent some brass angle to shape.  In order for these to fit snugly I blanked off the holes and will re drill.

John



____________________
John

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Thu Sep 7th, 2017 01:03 am
PMQuoteReply
link to this 249th post
Brossard
Member


Joined: Sat Jul 23rd, 2011
Location: Brossard, Quebec Canada
Posts: 2958
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

After posting the above picture to my RMWeb thread, there was a good discussion about handrail thickness.  The spec. of 3/4" was felt to be the ID of standard gas pipe with the OD likely to be 1" or slightly more.  Certainly when I looked at photos the handrails look quite a bit thicker.

Soooo...I did it again.  I used nominally 0.032" (0.8mm) wire which, oddly enough, measure to be 0.6mm.  This is pretty much exactly what I was after.



The bodywork has taken a beating but paint covers a multitude of sins.

I've completed the build now.  The plastic step hangers were, as I feared, useless, but I wanted to give them a chance.  One of them snapped off when I lightly touched it during handling.  I made the outer hangers from wire, shaped to replicate the plastic hangers.  They're not perfect but I think they look the part and they won't break.

The central hangers are made from brass angle bent to shape.

The guards step hangers are brass strip, drilled and 0.5mm NS wire soldered in.  This looks a bit like bolts.

I also replaced the wimbly 0.5mm (which is actually 0.25mm) guards door handle with 0.020" wire (actually 0.43mm).

You can see I installed the buffers and instanter couplings.  I also added the vacuum pipe.

The roof is only on loosely, I'm wondering what to do with it - glue it on or leave it removable somehow.

John



____________________
John

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Fri Sep 8th, 2017 12:48 am
PMQuoteReply
link to this 250th post
Brossard
Member


Joined: Sat Jul 23rd, 2011
Location: Brossard, Quebec Canada
Posts: 2958
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

I've been painting the brake today which means a lot of waiting for paint to dry and cure.

While that is going on I decided to make a start on my MMP Dia 1/109 Steel Mineral Wagon.

Immediately after nationalization BR realized that there was a serious requirement for a massive investment in mineral wagons.  These would replace the aging and decrepit ex PO wagons and expand the fleet to cater for increased demand for coal (seems strange to be talking about demand for coal in 2017).

Anyway, about 250,000 steel wagons were built through the 1950s.  Most were welded (Dia 1/108 which I have yet to build) but around 10% were riveted, Dia. 1/109.

I made good progress with assembly today (I pressed out what seemed like a million rivets a while ago):



There are lots of overlays with rivet detail on the interior.  These are very thin sheets of brass sweated to the body, as are the stanchion back plates.

Lots of cleanup to do.

I killed my variable temp. soldering iron bit today.  I bought a cheap iron from my LHS on the recommendation of the owner who is an avid builder of brass kits.  However, as I feared, it lasted about 10 minutes before the bit turned black with oxidization.  Plan C was to break out my Weller stand alone iron with a new bit - much much better.  Moral is to spend a few bucks on a good iron, buying a cheapie will result in disappointment and could be why so many people complain about being unable to solder.

John



____________________
John

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Fri Sep 8th, 2017 12:15 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 251st post
BCDR
Moderator


Joined: Sat Oct 19th, 2013
Location: Reston, Virginia USA
Posts: 3686
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Brossard wrote[highlight= rgb(248, 248, 248);].
The roof is only on loosely, I'm wondering what to do with it - glue it on or leave it removable somehow.

John
Hi John,
Neodymium magnets on each end of the roof, bits of steel on the body shell. All inside of course.

Nigel 




____________________
©Nigel C. Phillips
Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Fri Sep 8th, 2017 12:45 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 252nd post
Brossard
Member


Joined: Sat Jul 23rd, 2011
Location: Brossard, Quebec Canada
Posts: 2958
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Rob suggested the same thing.  As someone else pointed out, the roof forms part of the structure, especially the veranda framing which is very fragile.  I'm inclined to glue it, as I have done with my three brakes,  but will let my customer have a think about what he wants to do.

John




____________________
John

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sat Sep 9th, 2017 10:34 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 253rd post
Brossard
Member


Joined: Sat Jul 23rd, 2011
Location: Brossard, Quebec Canada
Posts: 2958
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

I finished the soldering (I think) so all that remains is to stick on the WM parts and some of the really tiny brass parts.



It took me all day yesterday to do the side doors.  I attached the end door today and stuck on the WM framing with CA.  I also removed the floor and fettled to ensure that the Peco floor is a good fit.

These are obviously weel researched and, as far as I can tell (not having a lot of knowledge of the prototype) accurate.  Thing is, from my point of view, all this work doesn't add a whole lot more value than the moulded plastic Parkside kit that I built earlier.  The only issue is that I don't know of any other kitmaker that does steel mineral wagons, so if you want variety, it's MMP.

John

Edit: well I am quite wrong about steel mineral wagon variety.  Peco do a couple of kits of steel wagons.  Parkside do the 1/108 kit that I built as LMS dia 2134 and also the ex SNCF cupboard door version.  Dapol, ex Lionheart do both 1/108 and 1/109 RTR models.  :hmm



____________________
John

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed Sep 13th, 2017 12:15 am
PMQuoteReply
link to this 254th post
Brossard
Member


Joined: Sat Jul 23rd, 2011
Location: Brossard, Quebec Canada
Posts: 2958
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

A load of work and the Dia 1/109 wagon is essentially done:



The chassis turned into quite a puzzle as I worked how the brakes are arranged.  The Peco chassis assumes independent brake shoes both sides since the 1/108 and others have drop doors in the floor.  This wagon doesn't have bottom doors and the brake shoes are only on one side.  The brake shoe side is of a Morton type and you can see the clutch in the middle.  The brakes supplied were backwards so I had to reverse them.  Happily, I was able to use components from the MMP chassis to detail them.



The opposite side showing the lever.  These were taken from the MMP kit since the Peco levers were of the wrong type.  Note the cross shaft.

This will probably hit the paint shop tomorrow, same process as the previous two.

John



____________________
John

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed Sep 13th, 2017 12:27 am
PMQuoteReply
link to this 255th post
MaxSouthOz
Admin


Joined: Sat Aug 23rd, 2008
Location: Adelaide , Australia
Posts: 12331
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

It's a very interesting wagon, with all the moulded parts, John.



____________________
Max
Port Elderley
Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed Sep 13th, 2017 01:55 am
PMQuoteReply
link to this 256th post
Brossard
Member


Joined: Sat Jul 23rd, 2011
Location: Brossard, Quebec Canada
Posts: 2958
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

My thought exactly Max.  The melding of brass and WM makes a very interesting vehicle.  I guess I'll start the final one tomorrow as I wait for paint to dry.

John



____________________
John

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed Sep 13th, 2017 04:10 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 257th post
Brossard
Member


Joined: Sat Jul 23rd, 2011
Location: Brossard, Quebec Canada
Posts: 2958
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

This morning I fitted the windows using canopy cement.



I've attached the roof temporarily with black tack.  It isn't enough to get the roof at the veranda framing seated.





John



____________________
John

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Thu Sep 14th, 2017 03:27 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 258th post
Rob Pulham
7mm Scale Modeller of the LNER


Joined: Fri Dec 9th, 2016
Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 489
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Looking good John,
I know that they take time to put together but I do like the MMP wagon. I am sure that it will be very robust in service too.



____________________
Regards Rob
Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Thu Sep 14th, 2017 03:37 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 259th post
Brossard
Member


Joined: Sat Jul 23rd, 2011
Location: Brossard, Quebec Canada
Posts: 2958
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Yes Rob, they are time consuming but look good with it.  Thank goodness for Peco, doing the MMP chassis is a bit daunting.

I note that Peco/Lionheart have these in RTR form.  There's no obvious interior rivet detail on their 1/109 though.  However, MMP sell interiors.

Anyway, I think I have enough minerals, 3 ex PO and 4 steel (all different).

John



____________________
John

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Mon Oct 23rd, 2017 06:11 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 260th post
Brossard
Member


Joined: Sat Jul 23rd, 2011
Location: Brossard, Quebec Canada
Posts: 2958
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

I thought I'd weather a wagon:





LNER 12T goods van.

John



____________________
John

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

This is topic ID = 14578     Current time is 06:15 am Page:  First Page Previous Page  ...  8  9  10  11  12  13  14  15  16  17  Next Page Last Page    
You are here:  Your Model Railway Club > More Practical Help > Kit Bashing > Johns 7mm Wagon Workbench
You can type a quick reply to this topic here. Click in the box below to begin.

Or to reply to an individual post, or to include images, attachments and formatted text,
click the Quote or Reply buttons on each post above.

To start a new topic in this forum, click the Start New Topic button below.
To start a new topic in a different forum, click the Forum Jump drop-down list below.
Start New Topic

Back to top of page

           
15 Most Recent Topic

Problems with this web site? Please contact the Webmaster.

All material submitted to this web site is the responsibility of the respective contributor. By submitting material to this web site you acknowledge that you accept full responsibility for the material submitted.
Unless stated otherwise, all the material displayed on this web site, including all text, photographs, drawings and other images, is copyright and the property of the respective contributor. Registered members are welcome to use it for their own personal non-commercial modelmaking purposes. It must not be reproduced or re-published elsewhere in any form, or used commercially, without first obtaining the owner's express permission.
The owner of this web site may edit, modify or remove any content at any time without giving notice or reason.    © 2008

                 

Recent Topics Back to top of page

Powered by UltraBB 1.15 Copyright © 2007-2011 by Jim Hale and Data 1 Systems. Page design copyright © 2008-2013 Martin Wynne. Photo gallery copyright © 2009 David Williams.