Recent Topics      
YMR logo

You are here:  Your Model Railway Club > Getting You Started. > Weathering > Playing Dirty To bottom of page
                 

 Moderated by: Spurno  
AuthorPost
Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Some members will know, from earlier days here or following my work elsewhere, that I do pretty much all of my own weathering. At this stage it's mostly powder work with a little pen and ink and occasional paint.

As a couple of vans arrived in the mail today it seemed a suitable time to open this topic to show what I do. I'm happy to discuss and share techniques and thoughts and keen to master the airbrush which has been lurking almost unused inside the workbench for some time now.

But back to today's arrivals.

Our friends at Invicta Models commissioned Bachmann to produce the 4-wheel CCT (Covered Carriage Truck) in a number of liveries. Two maroon ones arrived today and rather good they look too.

After a couple of proving laps around the layout in a mixed rake (which satisfied me that they will run happily with other brands including bogie stock) one was treated to a fairly heavy weathering and posed alongside the other which has yet to be touched.



This van has had its door frames and vents inked in with a mapping pen and the same pen used to darken the destination blackboards at each end which as supplied are a mid grey. It has then has blends of brown, ochre and black weathering powder applied in varying degrees which has been finished with vertical and a little light horizontal brushing.



The loco was also on the workbench today as it has received replacement Howes wheels in exchange for its original Heljan brass ones of the type which picked up too much dirt too quickly. The new wheels are a big improvement though are yet to be weathered.

Sol
A modelling Moderator.


Joined: Mon Nov 28th, 2011
Location: Evanston Gardens, South Aust, Australia
Posts: 4381
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

And here I was thinking that Penhayle Bay had pristine rolling stock - the employees took pride in keeping all things "spotless"  but I must have been dreaming :mutley

Nice bit of "dirt" Rick

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Thank you Sol

The employees barely take a pride in anything. While I can and do run rolling stock over the entire 1960 - 2000 period I am leaning to a preference for mid 60s (i.e. the maroon to blue changeover years) when morale seemed to be at a low ebb, investment absent and the effect of the Beeching axe meant many feared for their jobs even on the main lines.

I remember those days as times when there was pride and there were clean trains but the opposite was far more prevalent.

What ever we might think of the privatised railways the UK now has they are at least filled with mostly clean trains and staff (where they still exist!) rather more motivated than their forebears were. Perhaps because they no longer have a job for life and are often only as good as their last shift.

Last edited on Fri Oct 31st, 2014 06:05 am by Gwiwer

toto
Former Member
 

Joined: 
Location:  
Posts: 
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Hi Rick,

Nicely done, very convincing job of the CCT .whats next on the workbench.



Toto

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

toto wrote:
Hi Rick,

Nicely done, very convincing job of the CCT .Toto


Thank you

toto wrote:
whats next on the workbench.

Toto


The other CCT :mutley

Three SR EMU units are awaiting their turn as well. I don't have an SR-themed nor third-rail powered layout as yet but two 2-Bil an one 2-Hal units have had the inking done and await full weathering before lining up (for now) on a display track in the office.

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

I'm not sure if my"touch" has suffered from several months away or if the powders are damp but today's efforts are not my finest work. Hornby plastic hasn't always taken powders readily either so I'll put it down to a combination of circumstances!

The second Bachmann CCT was given a lighter weathering and coupled in a short train for comparison purposes.





The blue Hornby 2-Bil unit proved a little tricky as almost anything I did looked to be too much. Eventually I applied a light weathering of mixed browns wiped almost away so that it just took around the "lumps and bumps"





The camera is unforgiving; there's a little surplus powder and some dust visible here but I've tried to capture the streaking sometimes found on the roof of these units.



Then it was the turn of the green 2-Hal unit. This presented different problems inasmuch as the green is too close to the blue scale for reality and application of brown powders enhanced that. In the end the body sides have only had a dark green powder applied and rubbed back with just a little brown along the tumblehome. Again I've tried to capture detail of roof weathering rather than simply apply a plain colour.



A little more dirt for the leading end



And again for what will normally be the trailing end of the unit when it runs - once a tail lamp has been fitted!



All those coaches need buffers and wheels weathered. Those jobs are done with paints and will occur at a later date. Depending how the powders hold I may or may not need to come back and paint the footboards as well.

Gary
Inactive Member


Joined: Mon May 21st, 2012
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 3835
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

The streaking on the roofs is most impressive. You say you do this with powders. Can you explain your technique, please...

Cheers, Gary.

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

I do the roof streaking one of two ways.

On the units shown above it is nothing more than powders.

These are brushed on fairly generously lengthways to cover the entire roof area and using a small soft brush. The excess I carefully blow off to the dedicated workbench area where it accumulates as "mixed dirt" handy for the next job. That can be done with a puffer brush or - if you trust yourself to not include any moisture - a gentle blow from the mouth will do.

I then take a coarse bristle brush and cross-brush the powders from centre to cant rail which gives the streaked effect.

On some jobs I have sprayed the roof panels first with a cheap hair spray which goes on as both adhesive and sealant. While that is wet enough to work I then apply the powders as above but have to be quick. I only get around 30 seconds working time though can apply a second squirt of hairspray if I have to.

That work on the likes of Bachmann roofs which are usually very smooth and reluctant to take unsealed powders. The hairspray causes the powder to momentarily become liquid pigment but it dries flat, fixed and hopefully streaked in seconds.

Wash your brushes immediately after using hair spray!!!

Last edited on Sun Nov 2nd, 2014 05:33 am by Gwiwer

Gary
Inactive Member


Joined: Mon May 21st, 2012
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 3835
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Thanks Rick. I have only used hair spray with scenics, not weathering. Good tip. :thumbs

Cheers, Gary.

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

More examples of my streaked dirt weathering:

First the "rust" stains (actually brake dust washed down by rain and carriage cleaning plants) many commuters will remember on a green 4-Cep unit. The green here should be compared with Hornby's rendition on the Bil and Hal units - Bachmann has it much closer to where it should be. They also include curtains which Hornby fail to do on their Brighton Belle units to the disappointment of many including myself.



On the roof of a DMU as exhaust staining



Rust from tank overfill on an A1X Terrier



Calcium deposits from tank overfill on an M7



And high-speed streaking of dirt on an HST power car

Gary
Inactive Member


Joined: Mon May 21st, 2012
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 3835
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Excellent results Rick.

This is some of my attempts at weathering locos..






I have a Class 22 that needs attention and I know that you (Rick) have a few of these. Is there anything I need to look at and pick out on the loco whilst weathering ?

Cheers, Gary.



 

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Those are also very convincing jobs Gary.

Class 22 locos were often to be found very unkempt. They proved unreliable and were unloved by many so spent a fair bit of time sitting out of traffic in sheds and sidings.

As such they could typically be found with chipped, faded, streaked and flaking paintwork. Some seemed prone to radiator spills creating white staining from the grille to the lower panels.

Some were also regulars on china clay traffic and became stained with the "white gold" that industry turned out.

Take a look at the pictures available online - many are in colour - and if you have them browse the published books. There's plenty of variety to be found and even some remarkably clean and shiny locos at times!

Good luck with the venture.

SRman
Member


Joined: Sat Jan 10th, 2009
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 2986
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Plymouth Laira shed also gained quite a reputation for its harsh washing plant that tended to remove a lot of paint on both green and blue locomotives.

Some very nice weathering there, Rick. I too was admiring the steaks on the HAL roofs in particular.

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

the steaks on the HAL roofs

I'm afraid they won't be served with chips as I run DC :mutley

Gary
Inactive Member


Joined: Mon May 21st, 2012
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 3835
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

:mutley:mutley

shunter1
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 19th, 2010
Location: Kilkenny, Ireland
Posts: 2364
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Excellent weathering Rick.Tell me with powders do you have to spray a fixitive on after useing them ?.
The 60s was an interesting railway period.I guess stock was getting shabby as steam was being phased out and maintainence hit a low among staff?.
Cheers,
Derek.

SRman
Member


Joined: Sat Jan 10th, 2009
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 2986
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Gwiwer wrote: the steaks on the HAL roofs

I'm afraid they won't be served with chips as I run DC :mutley

Streaks!!

Save the steaks for the next time I visit.  :tongue  :tongue

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

shunter1 wrote:
Excellent weathering Rick.Tell me with powders do you have to spray a fixitive on after useing them ?.


Thank you Derek

You don't have to use a fixative with powders though it often helps. The extent to which powders take and stay put varies. So does the degree of handling which is unavoidable in our hobby.

I try to handle weathered stock very carefully and using soft rags when I can. I still end up with "weathered" finger tips at times however.

Fixatives have their own potential drawbacks. I could use a cheap hairspray over the top of powder but the spray is nowhere near fine enough meaning it creates blobs and spots. I do sometimes use it before powdering to achieve a momentary liquefaction of the pigment and to brush in some effects. It dries in seconds and acts as a seal as well as an adhesive.

Airbrushed fixatives are fine though in my little experience of them they tend to lift the finish to a slight sheen over time. "Shiny dirt" is not what I'm looking for!

Gary
Inactive Member


Joined: Mon May 21st, 2012
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 3835
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Gwiwer wrote: shunter1 wrote:
Excellent weathering Rick.Tell me with powders do you have to spray a fixitive on after useing them ?.


Airbrushed fixatives are fine though in my little experience of them they tend to lift the finish to a slight sheen over time. "Shiny dirt" is not what I'm looking for!

I learnt this method described below at a recent exhibition demo stand and it gives great results.

When I use powders, I either spray (airbrush) the model with some base colours, ie locos with grimey black/weathered black or spray them with a clear matt sealer/lacquer then apply powders. The powders go on one colour at a time, followed by a spray with Isopropyl Alcohol (IPA) from the airbrush. The IPA binds the powders into the top layer of lacquer and dries very quickly (in seconds). This is then followed by another powder colour and the IPA. Repeat this process of powders/lacquer until the desired result is obtained.

Cheers, Gary.

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

I still have the all-green 2-Bil to weather; I'll try the IPA technique on that.

I'm trying to build enough confidence to paint on a yellow first class band and small warning panels before weathering. Wonder how straight a line I can paint?

Gary
Inactive Member


Joined: Mon May 21st, 2012
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 3835
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Hi Rick,

Rather than painting a yellow line, why not paint or print a piece of clear decal sheet yellow, then cut the required strip and place on the model... Might be easier than the paint brush !

Another altenative is to purchase yellow lining decals. Should be available in any decent hobby shop that retails Australian outline models, ie Casula Hobbies have them for the NSWGR coaching stock and locos.

Cheers, Gary.

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

SRman wrote:
Plymouth Laira shed also gained quite a reputation for its harsh washing plant that tended to remove a lot of paint on both green and blue locomotives.


Illustrating that point perfectly is a photo on p.28 of "Warships in Colour" (John Dennison / Irwell Press).

Most photos in that book are of indifferent quality and dubious reproduction but the one in question shows class 42 Warship D826 in the remains of BR blue livery with large areas of red oxide undercoat, patches of rust and bare metal and even the cream relief band from its former green livery plainly visible.

OK it's an 8xx not a 63xx but the point is well made. A good many locos appeared in traffic in disgraceful states for a number of years until the problem was resolved. Classes 22, 35, 42, 45 and 52 were particularly affected. I recall some Hymeks which could not really be described as wearing a livery - they were just a mess.

Last edited on Thu Nov 6th, 2014 03:04 am by Gwiwer

Brossard
Member


Joined: Sat Jul 23rd, 2011
Location: Brossard, Quebec Canada
Posts: 2958
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Gary wrote: Hi Rick,

Rather than painting a yellow line, why not paint or print a piece of clear decal sheet yellow, then cut the required strip and place on the model... Might be easier than the paint brush !

Another altenative is to purchase yellow lining decals. Should be available in any decent hobby shop that retails Australian outline models, ie Casula Hobbies have them for the NSWGR coaching stock and locos.

Cheers, Gary.



Gary and Rick, that's a method used by some I think (Ian Rathbone?) for boiler bands for example.

I had a notion to try that a few weeks ago using a Staedtler bow pen that I've had for more than 30 years.  However, hard as I tried I couldn't get a clean thin line on the transfer sheet.  Anyone that can use a bowpen to get 0.25mm lines has my undying admiration.  I usually end up cheating and using transfers.  I just applied the double yellow to the top of my Stove R using Modelmaster lining transfers - it worked well.

Ref:  Modelmaster sheet 4458, yellow cantrail stripes for first class.

John

Last edited on Thu Nov 6th, 2014 03:39 am by Brossard

shunter1
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 19th, 2010
Location: Kilkenny, Ireland
Posts: 2364
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Thanks for your answers to my powder question and fixing the stuff Rick and Gary.All good reference for the future.

Cheers,
Derek.

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Oooohhh ..... a new loco!

Actually not that new as it arrived back in July just as I was about to leave for three months away. It also had electrical problems which I traced to a cross-wiring of the pickups on one bogie and rectified.

But now a third green class 22 can join the ranks. This one is fitted with the early style of marker discs rather than a 4-character headcode panel as they gained later.

Dapol has also re-engineered aspects of these models since Dave Jones, who originally developed them, left the company. Newer bodies do not fit on older chassis as the design and lighting arrangements differ.

This loco displays white lights through the white discs when running forwards and red at the bottom centre as a tail marker. Rather clever and very effective.

Weathered to represent the type in service and with marker discs set differently at the two ends. This loco will be one of the "runs both ways" fleet with a coupling at each end allowing it to run in either direction, shunt or run in multiple. The leading end has the requisite two drivers and has been fitted with trimmed pipework to clear the coupling









Finally posed "on shed" with one of the earlier arrivals in the later headcode-fitted configuration and which also does not have a front-end coupler making it a "one-way" loco but with full length plumbing.

Gary
Inactive Member


Joined: Mon May 21st, 2012
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 3835
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Dirty looking 22 Rick, very nice. :thumbs 

I have recently down loaded a few colour pics of 'dirty' 22s' for my own weathering purposes. Your pics give me some encouragement to weather my 22. Maybe this weekend...

Cheers, Gary.

toto
Former Member
 

Joined: 
Location:  
Posts: 
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Hi Rick,

Very nicely done. I too have some class 22's that will require some filth added.

I'm also awaiting the release of the class 29's which is meant to be December. Mmmmm.

Good stuff

Toto

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

A few images the first of which is by my good friend Mick (who older members might remember as Mickelaar during his brief stay here) hence his watermark but used with permission.

First some spots of oil and rust added to a factory-weathered class 52 "Western"



Based on personal observation and the photographic record a couple of my class 42 "Warship" locos have been quite heavily weathered. D806 is featured in John Dennison's "Warships in Colour" (Irwell Press 2011 p.31) rather begrimed and streaked. Here is my interpretation of that with freelance use of grey included on the model of the same loco



Also apparently the victim of a spill or overflow of some sort Hymek D7097 leads a rake of weathered maroon coaches.



Smaller details which add to the realism include smoke staining to the restaurant car where someone may have over-done the toast! This I think looks much better when the train is seen in motion rather than in cruel close up

toto
Former Member
 

Joined: 
Location:  
Posts: 
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Hi Rick,

More fantastic photos. Thanks for sharing. I think unweathered loco's look out of place now. Far to shiny. A bit pressure to sort that out in mine as I have a lot of fresh out of the wrapper stock.:hmm ......... Just no time to do anything about that at the moment as the build dictates otherwise........ Not to mention the small matter of know how.:mutley

More of the same please.

Cheers

Toto

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

45053 is a fairly recent Bachmann loco and represents the largest of the three classes generically knowns as "Peaks". Class 45 was split into 45/0 and 45/1 according to whether or not they had electric train heating fitted and within both sub-classes there was a lot of variety; body panels and headcode variations were among the more obvious differences. The 45/0 ended up on freights and summer relief trains once electric heating became standard.

46045 is a much older Mainline-badged loco issued as one of Bachmann's first UK releases. It represents the final development of the type which began with class 44 (originally numbered D1 - D10 and carrying names of England's ten highest peaks, hence the nickname) and finally numbered 193 broadly similar locomotives across classes 44, 45 and 46. Class 44 was regarded as non-standard and were withdrawn well ahead of all the rest.

Despite being younger class 46 didn't last as long in traffic as some class 45 locos and in their later days could sometimes be seen in quite woebegone condition. Those allocated to the Western Region also suffered from paint erosion in the mechanical wash plants just as their hydraulic contemporaries did and, like some of them, could be seen in faded, patched and almost stripped paint at times.









Last edited on Sun Feb 1st, 2015 11:14 am by Gwiwer

Myansome
Member


Joined: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008
Location: Newlyn, Cornwall, United Kingdom
Posts: 1089
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Nice to see you are weathering well, Rick! Looks good stuff ... Penlee Quarry, Newlyn, by any chance? :pedal

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

I haven't been here for a while have I?

Some of the weathering and detail work done in the past few months has appeared in my Penhayle Bay and Boghouses layout topics.

The arrival of Bachmann's class 43 Warships has prompted me to revisit this area as the first pair are now detailed, weathered, fitted with Fox etched nameplates and have entered traffic.

First a comparison of the final release of class 42 (left) with the new class 43 (right), both of which carry my own weathering. The new loco is fractionally larger so definitely not a retooling but an all-new product. The difference is small enough that the two can be run side by side (or double-heading) without any real issues.



D865 "Zealous" in her weathered glory



Another comparison with class 43 to the left and class 42 to the right; the size and shape differences are visible but to my eyes don't produce an incompatible clash. In any case the two types should not be worked in multiple and when used on adjacent tracks the difference is even less apparent.



Here's D835 "Pegasus" displaying some of that streaking which the class often featured from the lower edge of the windscreen and the grab-rails. Also showing the detail applied from the pack which includes those minuscule roof lifting rings.



At both ends as well; this is the "inner" end with the coupler fitted rather than the plumbing



And in traffic showing the effect of the Fox nameplate standing out from the bodyside panels.

Ed
Full Member


Joined: Tue Jan 29th, 2013
Location: West Anglia Main Line, United Kingdom
Posts: 3914
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

I've always thought Warships look nice, but in an ugly sort of way.

Certainly look good slightly dirty Rick :thumbs


Ed

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

I looked around the traps for advice on removal of tampo print without harming body paintwork. I asked in the model shop which lives in the basement at work (it's better than it sounds, actually!). Most suggestions involved Modelstrip or T-cut.

So I came home and placed some hot water in a bowl with a little washing up liquid, took out a cotton bud and crossed my fingers .....

Tampo and etch side by side showing the need to remove the former



Rubbity-rub with just moderate pressure and hey presto!



99.95% gone - there's a very faint outline visible if you really look hard.



And the etched plate is in place.



Apologies for the image quality. These were taken using the phone at the workbench for record purposes only.

And after taking the tampo off with soap and water what did I stick the etch down with? PVA. It gives a little more "wriggle time" than superglue, doesn't harm the paintwork if it leaks and can be easily removed from the edges if it does.

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Finally 842 "Royal Oak" paid a visit to the weathering bench and has received a light blathering of road-grime. The intention is to present this loco as being much closer to "ex-works" condition, though not spanking new, so there's rather less dirt than on some of the others.



Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

I believe in the power of KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid.

So when I wanted to weather some milk churns, which are all of 8mm tall and a bit tricky to hold in the tweezers, I took an easy way which others can use for similar projects without losing sleep over how to weather.

Step 1. Take a pack of Bachmann milk churns

Step 2. Snip off the top so as to leave an open bag with the churns still inside

Step 3. Sprinkle in some AIM dark rust weathering powder

Step 4. Shake.

And the result? Rusting milk churns that surely anyone can manage. Though I don't fancy the milk if they've been sitting around for that long!!!

Campaman
Full Member


Joined: Sun Jan 1st, 2012
Location: Market Harborough, United Kingdom
Posts: 692
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Mmmm, should milk churns go rusty?  The early conical shape ones were made from Galvanised Iron, but the ones you have there were made from aluminium....

:hmm

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Under Rule 1 milk churns which have been left out in the open for a long time go rusty ;-)

While that may not be strictly correct in all cases it certainly adds a little something to the platform scene and despite a couple of comments about the non-rusting properties of galvanised metal churns there's a lot of very positive response around the social media.

At least they're not plonked straight out of the packet and looking like silver-painted plastic!

toto
Former Member
 

Joined: 
Location:  
Posts: 
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Nothing wrong with a little break from reality. Now excuse me ......I have got to go ........ I've got a date with Kate Winslett. Don't want to keep her waiting.

Looking good Rick.

Campaman
Full Member


Joined: Sun Jan 1st, 2012
Location: Market Harborough, United Kingdom
Posts: 692
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Maybe its not rust, maybe is the dirt from the milking shed, cows do leave a lot of cow waste around.

:mutley

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

The Adams O2 from DJ Models commissioned by and only available from Kernow MRC has its own topic but I'll take a liberty and include a couple of shots here to show my weathering of those which have arrived to date.

30182 is push-pull fitted





While 30225 is not





The O2 is a very small locomotive, not quite as diminutive as an A1X Terrier or 0298 Beattie well-tank but pretty small. I took a comparison shot with another 0-4-4T type, the M7, as seen below



The other new arrival here is the Hornby S15, a main-line type which as far as the West of England goes was largely confined to the Waterloo - Exeter route and seldom ran beyond. The discs are set for Waterloo - Plymouth (with engine changes at Salisbury and Exeter Central, of course) and the weathering on this shows it to have been more of a challenge.

The Hornby plastic is shiny and powders don't grab at all readily. I ended up wiping the first attempt off. I'm not happy with the second as shown but it's an improvement. This uses Carrs powders which have taken a bit better than my normal AIM brand.



SRman
Member


Joined: Sat Jan 10th, 2009
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 2986
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

When I did mine, I used some yellow line transfers on the non-corridor side, but with the high windows cutting into the yellow on the corridor side, I just hand-painted most of that. I only have a clear photo of the corridor side to hand. I did use a bit of transfer for the last, windowless bit of the stripe outside the toilet area.




P.s. I do love it when you talk dirty - it is very inspirational and gives me ideas too. :cool:


Ed
Full Member


Joined: Tue Jan 29th, 2013
Location: West Anglia Main Line, United Kingdom
Posts: 3914
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

SRman wrote:


P.s. I do love it when you talk dirty - it is very inspirational and gives me ideas too. :cool:




Oh Matron :shock:



:mutley


Ed

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Over on RMweb I've had it suggested that Hornby over-lubricate their models at the factory leading to ooze when the start running and possibly contributing to the shiny and slightly oily appearance of their plastic bodies.

I've already wiped the first lot of weathering from the S15. The suggestions I received offered a wipe-down with soapy water as an option to remove all the oily residue. There is most definitely too much lubrication on the S15 as after just a coupe of days there are oily patches showing through the weathering powder.

It's got to be re-done again which is frustrating but with the oily reside hopefully removed it may prove third time lucky for a good finish.

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

A recent arrival is the latest Heljan class 33 "Crompton" in green livery with a small yellow warning panel. D6551 carries the standard-sized panel and is the first general release of the new tooling in this livery. The earlier one was a Model Rail commission.

As supplied the model is ready-fitted with pipework at both ends. Snow ploughs and plug-in couplers are in the bits bag. The headcode as fitted has an incorrect white border around the numerals.

I have fitted a Bachmann driver and replaced the headcode at the leading end with one from an earlier Heljan release without the white borders. The trailing end has had its pipework trimmed to the lower edge of the buffer beam and the supplied loop coupler fitted which exhibits the usual Heljan "droop".











The weathering is all AIM powders gently brushed on then worked as required with cotton-wool buds and a soft rag. The cab door frame and selected other details have been inked in to give additional depth.

This loco was easy to break into. The body unclips and is not wired to the guts. The last one - the first release of the new tooling - was very difficult. Fitting the driver required only the lifting out of the cab module which isn't hard-wired to anything. The headcode panel can also be pressed out from inside to change the display which, as supplied, is self-adhesive to the inside of the glazing and requires peeling off.

All in all this is another very good release from Heljan with only a few minor niggles the biggest of which is the drooping coupler which occurs on just about all their models.

Marty
Enjoying the Journey


Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007
Location: Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Posts: 6207
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Very nice job Rick. Makes me want to get the powders out. Not going to happen today though. Vino Blanco time! :cheers

Marty

ZeldaTheSwordsman
Madman


Joined: Fri Jan 15th, 2016
Location: Pomona, California USA
Posts: 637
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Hornby overdoing it on the mold-release oil, eh? That happens a lot with some American makers on their plastic parts.

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

The S15 is Hornby and they are guilty of this at times. The class 33 diesel is an oil-free Heljan release

Last edited on Thu Feb 18th, 2016 05:08 am by Gwiwer

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

The 33 has now been taken out for a run and has shown off its weathering in natural outdoor light.

As seen above but now on the tracks hauling a weathered b/g coach:



And having received a little more dirt to the roof and a fixative coat of hairspray. This time hauling a newly-arrived BR southern green coach also with a light weathering. This latest Bachmann version is in a much better representation of the shade than earlier ones. The BCK is a complete train in one coach offering six "classes" of travel! First and second, smoker and non-smoker (two second class compartments were "smokers"), plus guard's compartment and parcels area ;-)

col.stephens
Full Member
 

Joined: Tue Feb 7th, 2012
Location: Kent, United Kingdom
Posts: 2570
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Rick said, "the supplied loop coupler fitted which exhibits the usual Heljan "droop".

Is that similar to 'brewer's droop?'  :mutley



Terry

PS Lovely weathering Rick.  :thumbs


Last edited on Sun Feb 21st, 2016 08:35 am by col.stephens

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

col.stephens wrote:
.
Is that similar to 'brewer's droop?'  :mutley


Inasmuch as both can impede effective and reliable coupling - yes :mutley


And thanks!

Last edited on Sun Feb 21st, 2016 08:41 am by Gwiwer

ZeldaTheSwordsman
Madman


Joined: Fri Jan 15th, 2016
Location: Pomona, California USA
Posts: 637
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Regarding the shade of green on the Southern coaches, it's not surprising that the color has often been gotten wrong. Older kinds of color film had a tendency to distort the appearance of certain colors, especially blue and green. And since manufacturers often look primarily to photos for color reference...

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

An "old hand" and a new arrival have been recent recipients of Fox etched nameplates (and other bits) and have had some dirt added.

Firstly Bachmann's 47079 in GWR150 commemorative livery models its newly-fitted brassware and has gained a little road dirt. The plates in this pack were, unusually, not perfectly flat and despite my best attempts have not gone on completely flush. The subtle curve to the cab-side doesn't help with the number plate either.

The supplied crest is in plain brass but photos show the loco carried a coloured one. I sourced the exact item by purchasing another Fox pack, that for "First Great Western 57604" which includes the appropriate Pendents Castle name- and number plates for this loco which I also own. These are however supplied in GWR150 style brass and not in the BR house style which is appropriate for the Heljan model. Therefore the name and number plates are of no use to me but the crests have been used on 47079. I found it a little odd that one pack had plain and the other full colour crests when both are for GWR150-livery locos. Ah well.





The other loco is a recently arrived second-hand purchase of Hornby 50004 in large-logo blue livery. This matches 50035 already in the fleet and means that of my five class 50s four have been second-hand purchases which is most unusual for me.

This loco has had a driver fitted (as opposed to the Bachmann 47 which as usual for that manufacturer has one supplied) along with its nameplates and crests. The weathering has been applied to represent the appalling condition many of these locos could often be seen in and includes white streaking. The yellow paintwork is chipped at a couple of spots and made good at one (not in shot) but as that perhaps adds to rather than detracts from the overall appearance I have left it as found.



Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Bargain prices have persuaded me of the need for one more Motor Luggage Van. S68004 wears all-blue livery and has been introduced to the weathering bench.





On the main line running on battery power!

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

An addition to the class 52 fleet is Dapol D1051 Western Ambassador. This is supplied with D1012 Western Firebrand plates but as I already have D1012 in maroon I have used Fox plates to rechristen this one. I have also created a headcode display from spare Heljan numerals to match the running number in the manner of many of the later-surviving class members.







An earlier arrival not recorded here is the first green "Western" in my collection, Dapol D1002 Western Explorer



Both of these locos have the supplied brake rodding, cab steps and some other details applied but not the roof-mounted lifting lugs which are so small that they have defied all my attempts to fit them.

Also new to the fleet is class 34 push-pull fitted D6511 which belongs to the small group of locos quickly reclassified as 33/1 and intended for use on the Bournemouth - Weymouth route with 4TC stock. The 4TC units are on order and expected late this year or early next.



Marty
Enjoying the Journey


Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007
Location: Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Posts: 6207
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Very nice as always Rick. 
You must be running out of storage space for your fleet?
Marty

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Thanks Marty.

And yes. ;-)

Ed
Full Member


Joined: Tue Jan 29th, 2013
Location: West Anglia Main Line, United Kingdom
Posts: 3914
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Just wanted to say I really like your Diesels Rick :thumbs

(even if they are Western Region :mutley)



Ed

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Thank you Ed.

Even if some of them are actually Southern Region ;-)

There's some weathered Southern steam as well if you go looking :mrgreen:

Ed
Full Member


Joined: Tue Jan 29th, 2013
Location: West Anglia Main Line, United Kingdom
Posts: 3914
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

I've almost given up trying to stick to a specific company/region and time period, finding it too restrictive.

Just seen a nice Warship on a Liverpool shop website :roll:


Ed

amdaley
Full Member


Joined: Tue Feb 7th, 2012
Location: South West Ireland, Ireland
Posts: 339
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Gwiwer wrote: An "old hand" and a new arrival have been recent recipients of Fox etched nameplates (and other bits) and have had some dirt added.

Firstly Bachmann's 47079 in GWR150 commemorative livery models its newly-fitted brassware and has gained a little road dirt. The plates in this pack were, unusually, not perfectly flat and despite my best attempts have not gone on completely flush. The subtle curve to the cab-side doesn't help with the number plate either.

The supplied crest is in plain brass but photos show the loco carried a coloured one. I sourced the exact item by purchasing another Fox pack, that for "First Great Western 57604" which includes the appropriate Pendents Castle name- and number plates for this loco which I also own. These are however supplied in GWR150 style brass and not in the BR house style which is appropriate for the Heljan model. Therefore the name and number plates are of no use to me but the crests have been used on 47079. I found it a little odd that one pack had plain and the other full colour crests when both are for GWR150-livery locos. Ah well.





The other loco is a recently arrived second-hand purchase of Hornby 50004 in large-logo blue livery. This matches 50035 already in the fleet and means that of my five class 50s four have been second-hand purchases which is most unusual for me.

This loco has had a driver fitted (as opposed to the Bachmann 47 which as usual for that manufacturer has one supplied) along with its nameplates and crests. The weathering has been applied to represent the appalling condition many of these locos could often be seen in and includes white streaking. The yellow paintwork is chipped at a couple of spots and made good at one (not in shot) but as that perhaps adds to rather than detracts from the overall appearance I have left it as found.




That's lovely work Rick.
I've been tracking this thread & you've produced some lovely weathering :thumbs
Everything looks so natural, track,scenery & of course the rolling stock.

Tony.

amdaley
Full Member


Joined: Tue Feb 7th, 2012
Location: South West Ireland, Ireland
Posts: 339
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Ed wrote: I've almost given up trying to stick to a specific company/region and time period, finding it too restrictive.

Just seen a nice Warship on a Liverpool shop website :roll:


Ed


Go on Ed.
You know you want to.
Resistance is futile
:It's a no no

Tony.

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Just remember, Mr. Ohm, that resistance is futile ;-)

And in other news while tidying up some shelves in the workroom which will clear space for a Southern Electric scene and found a 2Hal unit which hasn't been weathered yet. Watch this space .....

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

That's lovely work Rick.
I've been tracking this thread & you've produced some lovely weathering :thumbs
Everything looks so natural, track,scenery & of course the rolling stock.

Tony.


Thank you Tony. I try to get things looking realistic without overdoing the weathering. The photos benefit from mostly being taken outdoors in natural (or natural and "daylight" artificial combined) light which does help with the look compared with being under artificial lighting.

Last edited on Tue Jul 19th, 2016 02:19 am by Gwiwer

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Some recent arrivals from Hornby have included the Adams 0415 "Radial" tank and Maunsell-rebuilt ex-LSWR coaches. These are matched with a green SR-design 4-wheel van in a representation of the Lyme Regis train which while it might not be 100% historically accurate and is on Darras not Cannington Viaduct does seem to me to portray the era I just missed in late 1950s in west Dorset / east Devon. I am using the supplied loop couplers apart from between the LSWR coaches which would always run as a pair and are linked using the Hornby close-coupler supplied in the box as an alternative.







Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Not previously shown here is Hornby SR 2Hal unit 2603 which arrived some time ago. These units carry the same rather pale and matt-finish green that Hornby uses on the 2Bil units and is not how I remember them. In their BR days they carried a rich green usually well varnished but short of a full respray I cannot change the overall appearance.

Built for the Gillingham and Maidstone electrification schemes in Kent they migrated to Sussex halfway through their lives after the 2Hap units were delivered as part of the Kent Coast electrification scheme.

Here they ran as a common pool of units with the 2Bil type often being coupled in the same train and could be found on Sussex coastal workings out of Brighton as well as London main line stopping services. They also appeared on Victoria - Bognor Regis "Mid-Sussex" line trains via Gatwick Airport and Littlehampton.













My unit is fitted with headcode 35 (Brighton - Littlehampton) at one end and 98 (Victoria - Crawley - Littlehampton - Bognor Regis) at the other. 98 was one of those headcodes only used in one direction; as the trains double-ran both ways on the Littlehampton branch 42 was used by up trains to avoid confusion. Normally the trailing or intermediate ends would display a blank white plate as do all my other 2Bil and 2Hal units so this is a modelling compromise and / or a case of a forgetful driver leaving the headcode up!

SRman
Member


Joined: Sat Jan 10th, 2009
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 2986
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

I was admiring your 2 HAL and the ex-LSWR coaches when you posed them on my layout yesterday. I meant to get a few photos but missed my opportunity.

I think the weathering you have applied is spot on.

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Thank you Jeff.

I remember the 2Hal units very well though not the LSWR stock. I'm not that old! Mostly the electrics were quite presentable though with footboards, roofs and underframes all covered in various kinds of grime.

Back in the day most trains would have been stripped to the panels every few years then repainted in several layers of undercoat, primer, top coat and varnish with each successive layer being rubbed back before the next went on.

Thus was built a deep richness to the colour which shone through the varnish. Most of the time anyway.

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Another 2Hal unit has arrived.  BR blue 2677 has much darker roof panels than previous releases and the somewhat faded blue livery.  I remember a few units looking like this but most of those which lasted long enough to receive blue were quite well varnished and the blue shone through.  Headcode 1 identifies (among other possibilities) a Brighton - West Worthing local.





On the image below the effect of inking in the doorway mouldings is well shown.  Also just apparent is that the flat underside of the toilet vent mouldings is inked black rather than being left blue; in reality these were just open vent slots.






Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Also on the weathering bench was a class 43 N.B.L. "Warship" in for nameplate re-fixing.  The offending plate had come adrift in storage so was easily located and re-glued but that caused disturbance to the previous weathering.  With the powders rubbed back somewhat to remove signs of disturbance a new layer of grime featuring "Exmover" (cleaning fluid) streaks was added.  This is on one side and one end only; when the loco is presented the other way around the previously-shown lighter weathering is seen.






Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

It’s been far too long since I posted here.  The latest arrival has been a pair of Kernow MRC / Revolution Trains Cargowaggon twins. Each is a permanently-coupled pair of 4-wheelers.  There’s just a hint of the still-clean one for comparison.  These wagons got absolutely filthy in traffic so the other one may end up much dirtier than this. 

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

To further reawaken this topic here are a few more pictures of recent weathering jobs.  Starting with the waiting room for Waddlemarsh Halt which is a Bachmann resin product



Next one of the Heljan class 07 Southampton Dock shunters



Goods shed, wagon, van and even compressor weathering featured on the current Waddlemarsh layout



Finally a very light weathering applied to the Hornby "Brighton Belle" which was normally kept pretty clean and tidy but still gained a little track grime and roof dirt.


Marty
Enjoying the Journey


Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007
Location: Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Posts: 6207
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Nice work Rick, I especially like the waiting room building. 

Barchester
Administrator


Joined: Wed Oct 18th, 2017
Location: Linlithgow, United Kingdom
Posts: 1065
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Subtle grunge, Looks Great Rick  :thumbs. I now need to re read this thread  :hmm
Cheers

Matt

georgejacksongenius
Kettle Watcher


Joined: Thu Feb 28th, 2008
Location: Hyde,Cheshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 2487
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Great weathering Rick,made me go back and re-read the whole thread!Superb stuff mate!
Cheers,John.B.:thumbs

Petermac
Admin


Joined: Sat Oct 13th, 2007
Location: Nr Bergerac, France
Posts: 18729
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

I'll be following John in ready the whole thread again Rick.  Would you believe I lay awake last night trying to remember how you did your train door frames ..... :roll:.

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Petermac wrote: I'll be following John in ready the whole thread again Rick.  Would you believe I lay awake last night trying to remember how you did your train door frames ..... :roll:.
You could have asked!  I'm only a text message away  :lol:

Ink and cotton-wool bud is the usual answer.  If that doesn't work I'll try other things until something does.  

Last edited on Thu Mar 25th, 2021 03:00 pm by Gwiwer

Petermac
Admin


Joined: Sat Oct 13th, 2007
Location: Nr Bergerac, France
Posts: 18729
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

It was last night Rick so I wasn't attached to any means of messaging.......


I'll try with the Indian ink - thanks for the info. :thumbs

peterm
Full Member
 

Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2012
Location: Bongaree, Australia
Posts: 736
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Lovely job on the Belle. To me it looks just right.

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Another long pause between posts. With the exhibition circuit still closed I haven’t been doing much weathering. I have a small amount of unweathered stock which is waiting for the 2022 invitations now. I don’t have space to keep a large amount just in case. 

But I have done a few bits and pieces just to keep my hand in. Today’s victims were a quartet of tank wagons and a pair of GUV vans. The tanks have a little factory weathering but remained mostly shiny black plastic until my efforts. The van ends are shown coupled though perched on the window ledge rather than placed on the track. 













Marty
Enjoying the Journey


Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007
Location: Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Posts: 6207
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Oi...Guv.... give us a wash mate! 
Hard worked and dusty indeed. The tanks are especially good Rick.

Petermac
Admin


Joined: Sat Oct 13th, 2007
Location: Nr Bergerac, France
Posts: 18729
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

That's a great bit of weathering Rick - just the right amount to make them look "used" without looking grotty.#

A "how to" on these latest subjects, particularly the vans, wouldn't give away too many trade secrets ......................... :roll: :roll:

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

I'll just pop this link in here which also appeared in the Waddlemarsh thread recently. There really are no trade secrets to my weathering. It's largely self-taught and judging from the comments (and in normal times the exhibition invitations) I receive I seem to have found a successful formula and style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xM8A1Gr2_o&feature=youtu.be

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

N-class 31874 might have had some problems. Is that washout or scorching on the smokebox door? 



Meanwhile the first in a rake of six Delabole presflo wagons has been weathered. 



georgejacksongenius
Kettle Watcher


Joined: Thu Feb 28th, 2008
Location: Hyde,Cheshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 2487
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Wow Rick,
This is the thread that just keeps giving! No shortage of great images and potential photos of the month here.This is the kind of modelling that leaves me gasping, the attention to detail makes it difficult to believe that it is in fact a model and not actual prototype photos of a real place.That sense of place is so strong, even without any locos or stock, the buildings and station furniture make it 100% Southern.The acid test for any layout! Remarkable!

:pathead

Cheers,John.B.:thumbs

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Thank you!  Very kind words. 

Here’s a tale of two N class locos. 31869 is short of coal, displays weathering inside the tender and has its headsignsl disc set for position 2 indicating Nine Elms - Windsor or Feltham Yard - Willesden via Gunnersbury. 







Meanwhile 31874 is fully coaled, displays seepage from the boiler, has had a problem at the smokebox door and carries the disc in position 6 for all stations to Feltham. 




Petermac
Admin


Joined: Sat Oct 13th, 2007
Location: Nr Bergerac, France
Posts: 18729
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

They look great Rick.  Are the discs interchangeable or are they doomed to spend their working lives on those routes ?  :lol:

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

The discs are stuck with a pin-point of Contacta so they are not interchangeable.  If they were ..... well there's a thought for some enterprising manufacturer but how to attach them within the limitations of scale?  

peterm
Full Member
 

Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2012
Location: Bongaree, Australia
Posts: 736
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

I'm not sure of the name, but isn't there a temporary type of adhesive on the market that would make it possible to get them on and off?

Great pic's though.

Barry Miltenburg
Full Member


Joined: Wed Jan 18th, 2017
Location: Liverpool, United Kingdom
Posts: 883
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Pete/Rick

My lamps are secured to the lamp irons by drilling a hole in the base and then filling that hole with Blue-Tac before sitting them on the iron.  Not my idea - borrowed from someone cleverer than me!

Not sure if the discs have the ability to have a hole drilled into whatever is behind the face?

Barry

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Barry Miltenburg wrote: Pete/Rick

My lamps are secured to the lamp irons by drilling a hole in the base and then filling that hole with Blue-Tac before sitting them on the iron.  Not my idea - borrowed from someone cleverer than me!

Not sure if the discs have the ability to have a hole drilled into whatever is behind the face?

Barry
Most discs are flat on the reverse though normally have at least a representation of the carrying handle on the front.  Bachmann moulds an inverted U-shape onto some (but not all) which allows them to be seated more readily on the bracket but I doubt that moulding would be large enough to take even a 0.5mm hole.  

The flat ones could be fixed with Blue-Tac but I suspect they might fall off with a risk of becoming lost.  There is also a risk of damaging the very fragile brackets on the loco itself.  

Last edited on Tue May 18th, 2021 03:53 pm by Gwiwer

peterm
Full Member
 

Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2012
Location: Bongaree, Australia
Posts: 736
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Ah well, just a thought. They still look great though.

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

peterm wrote: Ah well, just a thought. They still look great though.
If one looks at photos of steam-hauled trains there is usually a disc or discs on the front by day and lamps by night.  They are very seldom clean and often quite weather-beaten and well-used.  Discs on my locos are weathered with a stroke or two from a dirty brush rather than picking up more powder for such a small job.  That typically leaves a line of dirt around the moulded carrying handle and random patches or spots.  It seems to work.  

peterm
Full Member
 

Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2012
Location: Bongaree, Australia
Posts: 736
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

It certainly does.

SRman
Member


Joined: Sat Jan 10th, 2009
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 2986
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Gwiwer wrote: The discs are stuck with a pin-point of Contacta so they are not interchangeable.  If they were ..... well there's a thought for some enterprising manufacturer but how to attach them within the limitations of scale?  

I have experimented successfully with using some thin slices of U-shaped channel glued behind the discs to hook over the lamp irons. A very small amount of Blu-tack or black-tack (or even plasticene or tacky wax) stops the discs falling off if the locomotive is inverted (whetehr for maintenance or due to crashes!).

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

SRman wrote: Gwiwer wrote: The discs are stuck with a pin-point of Contacta so they are not interchangeable.  If they were ..... well there's a thought for some enterprising manufacturer but how to attach them within the limitations of scale?  

I have experimented successfully with using some thin slices of U-shaped channel glued behind the discs to hook over the lamp irons. A very small amount of Blu-tack or black-tack (or even plasticene or tacky wax) stops the discs falling off if the locomotive is inverted (whetehr for maintenance or due to crashes!).
And if that isn’t an excuse to invest in more motive power I don’t know what is. 
:mutley

Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

The Q1 has only ever been lightly weathered and retained a bit of a plastic appearance. Until today. After a few minutes work she looks a lot more careworn. 















peterm
Full Member
 

Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2012
Location: Bongaree, Australia
Posts: 736
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

That does look good Rick. I should pluck up courage to do mine... or send it to Twickenham. :)

Petermac
Admin


Joined: Sat Oct 13th, 2007
Location: Nr Bergerac, France
Posts: 18729
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

That looks excellent Rick.  :thumbs


Paint ?  washes ?  powders ?


Gwiwer
The Mermaid Inspector


Joined: Sat Oct 25th, 2014
Location: Upon A Hill Of Strawberries, United Kingdom
Posts: 1192
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Petermac wrote: That looks excellent Rick.  :thumbs


Paint ?  washes ?  powders ?



Thank you gents. 

All powders. And Hornby’s plastic brim-full coal replaced by a card insert halfway down the tender void and some Woodland Scenics “mine run” coal 


                 

Recent Topics Back to top of page

Powered by UltraBB 1.15 Copyright © 2007-2011 by Jim Hale and Data 1 Systems. Page design copyright © 2008-2013 Martin Wynne. Photo gallery copyright © 2009 David Williams.