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 Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2014 12:20 pm
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Hi Jimmy,

In regards to a sector plate, I made a very simple version from 3mm MDF board and a nut & bolt (fixed swivel point).

Here is a short video of it in action. Please ignore my boys video/music in the background...




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Gary that is cracking and appears so very simple. I really like the way in which you align the middle line.

That would allow me to have longer sidings possibly four and not three and would save me about 20quid in points.

I am still a little worried with the joins,

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Hi Jimmy,

I wouldn't worry too much regarding the joins. The gap between the sector plate and the 'in road' is approximately 1mm. As long as each storage road on the sector plate is wired accordingly, no problems should arise. Basically the joins between the plate and the 'in road' is identical to joining two baseboards together. The three storage roads (1,2,3) have been glued down, rather than pinned/nailed. You can see in the pic below, there is a slight arc on the sector plate and on the 'in road'.




I have wired each individual road/siding to a 6 position rotary switch, with a stop in between each road. This way, if there is ever a case of a possible runaway, I only need to turn the switch to the right one position. The switch is wired as road 1, stop, road 2, stop, road 3, stop, running clockwise.

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with base board construction slow (not moving) i decided that i would do some weathering to the rolling stock. i have completed one of the flat wagons and i'm quite happy with what i have achieved. 


i also decided that the long siding that runs in front of the fiddle yard, will have a disused carriage at the far end in a state of disrepair, so i have set about producing this disused carriage. 


so what do you think??

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Regarding the coach Jimmy, I think you've done a good job at dereliction.  My comment is that it is a Period III, entering service in 1932, so would be far too new in 1944 to reach that level of decreptitude (unless bomb damaged).  A pre grouping coach would be a better choice, Ratio do some Midland and LNWR kits.

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Good point, I didn't think about that when I was attacking the coach. I may see if I can pick up a old pre grouping coach from eBay or a toy fair.

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Things have been a little slow, the weather has been lovely and I have been busy with my other hobby, yes I am cheating on model railways with radio controlled aircraft.



Anyway I have been doing a little on the layout. I purchased an airfix willys jeep, one of the new mouldings from airfix and wow what an improvement keep it up airfix!!











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I decided that i really must pull my finger out, i am not the best at wood work, however i jumped in and completed the base board.

i have started to paint it with wood varnish as to protect it from damp etc, i still have a lot more painting to do.

i placed the boat in the lowered section for the harbour and placed some track on the board to give you an idea of size etc.


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i have put together a shopping list of points (Peco Streamline), so that is the next purchase, need to make a decision of point motors. any ideas

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This layout looks interesting Jimmy and I like what you have done with the bogie bolsters. One thing though, the one with two tanks on, that would be grossly overweight. One yes, two very doubtful, even in wartime conditions. As to point motors it depends a lot on how you intend operating them. Have you thought about wire in a tube. It's very easy and also very cheap. As for the coach, a smashing job. You can pick up one of the old Triang/Hornby short GWR clerestory coaches on fleabay for a couple of quid. That would make a nice one, you could always paint it in LMS red or even black as ex departmental stock if you didn't want chocolate & cream.



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This layout looks interesting Jimmy and I like what you have done with the bogie bolsters. One thing though, the one with two tanks on, that would be grossly overweight. One yes, two very doubtful, even in wartime conditions. As to point motors it depends a lot on how you intend operating them. Have you thought about wire in a tube. It's very easy and also very cheap. As for the coach, a smashing job. You can pick up one of the old Triang/Hornby short GWR clerestory coaches on fleabay for a couple of quid. That would make a nice one, you could always paint it in LMS red or even black as ex departmental stock if you didn't want chocolate & cream.


Thank you for the kind words, I'm aware that the bolster wagon would be massively over weight I will be very soon changing it.

Also I have discovered that the coach is possibly a little to new to be in that level of disrepair near the end of the war but that may have to remain.

I am considering the old method of wire In a tube but don't really know how to go about doing it.

I'm learning as I go.

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Have a look at my layout
http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=10595&forum_id=21&highlight=Trevennan
there are a few mentions on there for wire in the tube method of point operation.



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Deffo go with the sector plate, in that space with a SP as opposed to a turnout fiddle you'd gain almost another foot not to mention a possible concealed kick back in/behind you factory.

Any questions, go ahead, there is plenty of egg-spurt-ease here!

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dooferdog wrote:
Deffo go with the sector plate, in that space with a SP as opposed to a turnout fiddle you'd gain almost another foot not to mention a possible concealed kick back in/behind you factory.

Any questions, go ahead, there is plenty of egg-spurt-ease here!

Poop poop,

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I am really considering a sector plate however, I am concerned how I would do it on a flat top board as would be higher than the rest of the track, and really concerned with the joints and possible detailing.

But would really like the extra siding length in the fiddle yard as can it extend it to four lines.

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jimmy styles wrote: dooferdog wrote:
Deffo go with the sector plate, in that space with a SP as opposed to a turnout fiddle you'd gain almost another foot not to mention a possible concealed kick back in/behind you factory.

Any questions, go ahead, there is plenty of egg-spurt-ease here!

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I am really considering a sector plate however, I am concerned how I would do it on a flat top board as would be higher than the rest of the track, and really concerned with the joints and possible detailing.

But would really like the extra siding length in the fiddle yard as can it extend it to four lines.

Work out sizes etc, then cut out a piece from your main board that will comfortably enclose the swinging bit. Stick a piece of ply across the whole underside and cut out your swinging piece from the piece of original board. Put a bolt through for a pivot, ensure the mating surfaces are smooth (add a little talc). That way it is bound to be the same thickness as the rest of the board.
Indexing can be by eye for such a small plate, but I have a 4ft plate with indexing using a ball catch and a perspex strip if that appeals. I will find some pics for you. You can have parallel tracks, too, to ease the clearance/loading gauge problems.
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Thanks Doug if you can find some pics that will help.

i have decided that i will go down the route of a sector plate however its how i go about it.

i am currently thinking about different ways in which this can be achieved and luckily there is a large article in the the new Hornby design manual.

after a long and boring night shift searching the internet i found the below picture.

 i think that this is the sort of thing i think i may attempt but on a slightly more simple idea.

what do you guys think??



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Hi Jimmy,

The method you have posted may not fit in the hidden storage area behind the backscene. You would need to allow enough space for the movement of the sliding sector plate back and forth, within the confines of space you have.

This below could fit into your space...



The sector plate is cut out of your existing baseboard with a suitable arc on either end. Do this by locating the centre of the sector plate, tap in a nail and use a pencil tied to string to trace an arc onto the baseboard. Draw the parallel lines lengthway and cut out. The pivot is fixed to a cross brace/frame underneath. Narrow the sector plate width down so that it can swivel left to right. The sector plate can ove across other frames that support the baseboard, keeping everything at the correct height. After the first track is laid on the sector plate, you will need to adjust the next two or three tracks with a slight bend at the end where they meet the in road, for correct alignment. Hope this helps.

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Gary that is really helpful,

I'm going to have a little fiddle on Friday when I finish work.

I'm thinking of measuring the length that I need so possibly shorten the fiddle yard.

Also I'm considering moving the entrance road to the fiddle yard to allow my sector plate ease of movement

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ok so i could not resist having a fiddle, this is what i'm thinking........ if i move the entrance road to the position it is on the photo below. i think it then gives me room for my sector plate. i can also shorten the sector plate which gives me a bigger scenic section. (win win)

so the decisions now are as follows......... do i do a sector plate that slides back and forth or a sector plate that pivots.

if i do one that pivots does it pivot at one end or in the middle.

next decision is once i have decided which way my sector plate is going to work, do i cut the top of the board and fit it into the board of mount it on a piece of 3mm mdf on top of the current board??

help please

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If you cut it from the board, it can slide on a ply base/bearers nailed to the underside and it will always be the right thickness.

If you stick it on top you will need to slope your track from
it to yor main board or run all your track raised 3mm.

Centre/end pivot? Just try with some cardboard box material until you find what is best for your layout...go to a supermarket, scrounge some boxes, do a mock up, half size if you like using nails for pivots, sticky tape etc until it feels right,

Good luck,

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