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 Posted: Thu Jun 4th, 2015 01:40 am
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Marty
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Both look terrific. Great little shunter.
On several occasions I've had to resist the urge to detail the inside of buildings despite really wanting to.... I'm talking N scale here!

.... and to me it sounds like you are enjoying yourself and are pleased with the work....
In the end that is all that matters.
Keep it coming.
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 Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2015 04:45 pm
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so i have been working on this harbor (why did i choose this as a theme)

so its proving to be harder than i first thought.

i started off by raising the level of the water so that the boat would appear to be siting in the water not on top of the water.

i then put down a layer of plaster of paris. once this was set i painted the base in a range of colours to try to simulate depth.

after hours of research on the internet i decided on deluxe materials solid water and i have to say this is an amazing product if you dont make the same mistake as me.

i firstly sealed the base so that i could pour the solid water mix in.



once i thought this was ready i poured the mis in and went out.

now here is the issue when i returned home some two hours later i found that the mix had found any small gap between wood etc and leaked out everywhere making a right old mess. (luckily in the garage.)

however it leave a very layer which has set like glass and looks quite good.





i'm happy with the colours but just dont know if this has worked,

please please let me know your views.

i am contemplating using another deluxe material product called making waves to add to the surface to make it choppy.

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 Posted: Mon Jul 6th, 2015 04:54 pm
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I have spent days looking at this and finally came to the decision that I am not happy with the finish it is a little to smooth and to much like a still pond/lake.

I have tonight added another layer which is more rippled and slightly less shiney in the hope that it will look more like a calm harbour. I will post a picture once it dries ( that's if I have not got completely fed up and thrown it out of a window.)

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Patience young one, Its almost there. I can see what you mean about it being too smooth, but you don't want to much ripple, just enough to make it look like a breeze rippling the surface...do a little and you can always add a bit more.  :thumbs



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 Posted: Sun Jul 19th, 2015 04:29 pm
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so i previously posted about my water effects in my harbour and the fact that i had used a great product by deluxe material called solid water and the fact that i had a couple of issues with it (all self inflicted by lack of Patience.)



well after posting pictures on various forums and facebook i spent a couple of days just looking at what i had achieved. and the biggest critic is always yourself. i quickly decided that although i thought it looked good i myself was not quite happy with it. i was not quite happy with the colour or the finish. and if i had left it although it would look good i would never really be happy......



so i rubbed a bit of the top layer down and repainted the surface to a more convincing colour. slightly less camo looking. i mixed vallejo acrlics i love these paints. i used just three colours "grass green" "earth brown" and "royal blue" watered down and mixed until i thought it looked right.



then for the water effect, i decided not to bother with expensive products but to try good old fashioned ideas. i practiced on a test piece first. i found that if you apply lots of thin layers of PVA and let it dry between layers than it leaves a nice rippled finish that has a real sense of depth to it. however if a layer is applied to think then it will go cloudy and white and look rubbish so some care if required. 


this is at about layer 4 or 5







this has about 10 - 12 layers on it i'm not sure i lost count. 












this is the finished effect, now i'm actually quite happy with it so quickly going to bolt it back to the layout before i mess it up.



what do you think??

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Hi

The water looks great. Very convincing and not over the top with movement. You are on a winner there I think.

Terrific

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Yup looks better tto me as well :thumbs

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Definitely more realistic, sometimes we just over think things, great project.

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having tied up in lots of harbours, I think I can say that looks the real deal :doublethumb
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Hi Jim

That water looks great.  I've got some ahead of me.

Did you just use the Solid Water - or did you build it up with PVC?

I'm sorry if I've missed it.

Edit - just found it.  Thin layers of PVC  :oops:

How thick is thin?  :lol:



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Thin enough, applied with small brush.

Basically thin enough that you can see it start to dry almost straight away but thick enough you can texture it slightly.

My orignal plan was to use solid water and after about ten hours you can texture it with a old tooth brush, but because I didn't seal the base it all leaked out.

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Thanks, Jim.

I've got quite a big area to do - about 3.5 metres x 400 mm by about 20 mm deep.

I was going to use Magic Water, but it could turn out to be very expensive.

I might do what you've done and build it up with PVA first.



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MaxSouthOz wrote:
Thanks, Jim.

I've got quite a big area to do - about 3.5 metres x 400 mm by about 20 mm deep.

I was going to use Magic Water, but it could turn out to be very expensive.

I might do what you've done and build it up with PVA first.


Yes magic water would be very very expensive but like I previously said if sealed right is a great product.

However I do like the pva way of doing water.

I raised the level of my water by using depron foam and sitting the boat into it so that the water would not be to deep.

As the deeper it is the longer it will take and the more heavy it will be.

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Magnificent ! That has come up a treat. Funny how the simplest, tried and tested methods are always the best. ;-)

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Great looking water, I am just at that stage now with my small harbour here

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=13635&forum_id=21&jump_to=244899#p244899

Is the rippeling effect purely from the PVA or is some of it from your base material?

I have done a canal before using PVA but that only needed a few coats and no ripples.



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The rippling effect is just the pva each layer I have put down is done rough and gradually builds a rippled effect.

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I recall reading an article in model railway journal by Gordon Gravett on modelling his canal on his layout Pamplon, ( I think thats what it is called ) and he painted the base layer then varnished it then on top of the varnish he blobbed drops of pva once they had dried he put several layers of gloss varnish to build up the depth of water, the finished effect looked like a slowly running river or canal with gentle ripples, very effective.

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Cheers to you both, once I have a boat I will get the PVA layers going.



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If you do the pva just remember thin layers and let each dry otherwise to thick and it stays white. I practised on a old bit of wood first

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Same with varnish. Be patient.

How do I know this?

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