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Thanks for the positive comments, everyone. It's really appreciated.

Gormo - you're right - you notice every little fault in your own work, don't you? I think it's part of what keeps us going though - that desire to improve. We all work to our skill level and strive for the next step. And I think this forum is the perfect place for that as it seems that everyone understands that. I am really enjoying working on Pig Hill Yard. Big Sister is enjoying helping, and I am really pleased and proud of how it's going. And when all's said and done, as long as I see two beaming smiles on Christmas morning from the two boys, then it will be 'job done'. I very much doubt they'll say, 'but daddy, there's a patch on the roof of the diesel shed, and there's light projecting onto the clouds!' :lol:

Terry - go on! Build one!

And a quick update on the shed roof issue. I dropped a line to John Wiffen who replied straight away. He said that he'd assumed that no-one would build a single-length version on account of the length of most diesels (he'd obviously not thought about Pig Hill Yard before). The roof components are the right size for when multiples of the lengths are used. He said he's going to update the sheets and instructions and he even sent me the two roof-related sheets with adjusted components on it. Terrific service, and an incredible job. You really can't fault his approachable style, can you!? :thumbs

Ballasting was started today. Looks good so far. However... Despite utmost care, there's loads of stray bits on the sleepers and rail sides. Ho hum. And with the glue dry, scraping them off is bringing the paint with it, thus exposing bare sleeper and shiny rail sides. Double ho hum. Out with the paintbrushes again, I think.



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Hi Mike,

 

I was born and brought up in a very old little Welsh village called Fochriw, which mean's pig hill, or a hill where there are pigs :lol:

 

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John Wiffen's service is second to none.When i was building my canal i wanted a large area of water to create a basin and he sent me one at no charge.You can't get better than that.



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Hi Mike,
Just found this thread for the first time and, having read it from start to finish, I am very impressed, not only with the progress you have made in little more than 6 weeks, but also with the standard of your workmanship and attention to detail. Your boys should be well pleased with their new layout.
I too am a big fan of Scalescenes kits and have always found John Wiffen to be very helpful if you need something that's a bit non-standard.
Keep up the good work and I'll be keeping an eye open for further progress reports.



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Phil.c wrote: I was born and brought up in a very old little Welsh village called Fochriw, which mean's pig hill, or a hill where there are pigs :lol:

Brilliant! So this layout's name perhaps is not as silly as I was thinking it may be!

Chinahand wrote: Hi Mike,
Just found this thread for the first time ... Keep up the good work and I'll be keeping an eye open for further progress reports.

Thank you for your encouragement Trevor - it gives me confidence that I am doing alright! :)



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SCENERY UPDATE (228 days until Christmas)

I have had a week off work, so have had slightly more time than usual to work on Pig Hill, amongst other things. Looking through progress pictures, I seem to have done loads that I've not posted, so here is a very quick update...

BALLAST

As per Gary's suggestion, I covered everything in dark brown flock first. I used a mix of two shades, but still slapped it on uniformly using neat PVA glue.

Next, the first part of the ballasting. I laid ballast from the end of the headshunt to just past the two points under the bridge. I used a mix of Woodland Scenics' fine ballasts in light grey, buff, and cinders to get the shade that I wanted. I will be introducing more and more cinders into the mix so that it will be almost all black by the time we get into the yard. I sprayed this with water then dribbled on dilute PVA with a drop of washing up liquid, as is common. I perhaps wasn't as gentle as I could have been though as it still seemed to go everywhere, but I am quite pleased with the result. Stray bits can be scraped off once dry, but this process brings the paint with it, which means that there's a job to do to patch up the painting. Ho hum.

A couple of shots of the drying ballast:





RIVER BED

Big Sister and I went for a walk along the canal and collected some tiny stones from the towpath. We glued these using neat PVA along both sides of the river bed. Starting with the large ones and then placing the small ones, we went right along both sides. We didn't put any stones in the middle as we wanted to hopefully make it look deeper there. We then sprinkled on a layer of sand taken from a beach near Formby, which I fixed using the same technique as for the ballast. This just adds a bit of texture to the river bed.



GREENERY

I was nervous about starting the greenery as I was not at all confident in my ability to mix and stick the various bits and pieced down. I started with an undercoat of flocks stuck down with neat PVA. I used various shades of fine and course turf from Woodland Scenics, and a bag or two of other colours from Javis.

I was careful to put the rougher textures on the steeper bits and keep just the finer ones for the field sections.

I was really pleased with how it came out...




At this point, I was happy and thought it looked great. I had bought a static grass puffer bottle though and thought I may as well try it out.

It came with some hideously bright green static grass, so I tried applying it to a test area. This worked well, so I dove straight in. Using my chosen shades of Woodland Scenics and Javis fibres though, it all clumped together like a cat's hairball in the puffer bottle and wouldn't come out. So I reverted to sprinkling it on by hand, massaging it into the glue with my fingers and then using a vacuum cleaner to tease the fibres upwards. I was careful to use different shades in places to suggest changes in ground colour.

I have to say that the result is excellent to my eyes. It's not sticking up as much as it would with an applicator perhaps, but with the rough undercoat, it looks like real wild grass and I am really happy with the result...




Here's a view down from the track over the bridge.



MORE RIVER

Once the stones and sand had dried, I painted the river bed in shades of dark brown, keeping the darker parts at the centre...




And then, last night, I applied the first layer of neat PVA. I dabed this on quite thickly using a stippling motion with a soft brush. I made sure it wasn't too thick so as to dry milky, but thick enough for it to slowly and gloopily find a level. I have tested various glues for their ability to dry perfectly clear and I have settled on "Craft PVA" from Hobbycraft.




It's still drying, so I hope it works!!



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Brilliant scenery Mike. :thumbs Are you sure you haven't done this before?

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It's starting to come together Mike and it looks great, it's all in the eye like painting a picture, you will look at it again in a few days and think, I could add a bush there and it will add a bit more.

 

I hope you inserted a piece of cloth over the vacuum cleaner pipe to catch the flock when you used it to lift the grass ;-)

 

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Ha ha, Phil, after all that talk about stockings last week, I certainly did have a 'catcher' installed on the hoover! Yes... Bushes. They're next, then trees. Need to read up on how best to do bushes, as that's the next scary step!

Terry, I did stick down some dark green course turf on my N Gauge layout last year, but it looked terrible!



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http://www.realisticmodelling.com/catalog.asp?subrange=Accessories  (KJ0920) Excellent for brambles, spray with glue and sprinkle scatter on.

 

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Hi Mike,

The ballasting looks great, excellent job. :thumbs As for the scenery, well... It is looking great !

Mixing shades/colours and textures is the key to realism, and it looks as if you are accomplishing this with ease. I like what you have done with the creek bed, it looks really good, once again, excellent. With applying the PVA glue for water, do this in a few layers, letting each layer dry fully, before applying the next. Whilst the first layer of glue is still tacky, you can always plant a few reeds in the shallow banks. This can be done by using Woodland Scenics Field Grass (FG 174)

see here ; http://woodlandscenics.woodlandscenics.com/show/Item/FG174/page/1 

Pinch a few strands and cut in half lengths, push into PVA upright and allow PVA to set, then trim them down to height.

Question, how did you find the scenics coming together with the dark brown flock as the first/base layer under the green ??

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Hi Mike

Really impressed with the scenery, ballasting and the river bed looking equally as good. Keep up the good work and keep the photo's coming please!



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Thanks both. Gary - the brown underlay flock really helped. You don't really see it, but it does stick out here and there under barer patches on the steep bits and it lends an overall nicely blended look to the whole thing - definitely something I will do again in future!



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A BUSH TEST, AND A REQUEST FOR HELP (227 days till Christmas)

Spurred on by yesterday's comments, I did a quick test to see if I could make a convincing patch of undergrowth and bush. Using many techniques gleaned elsewhere on the forum, and in particular a guide on Nick's Much Murkle thread. I used a mixture of Woodland Scenics' underbush, foiliage, coarse and fine scatters. And a bit of field grass for fun...




I think it's come out brilliantly, but any suggestions on improvements will be welcome. It's had a liberal spraying of firm hold hairspray too.

HELP!

I have been progressing through a build of Scalescenes' "High Street Backs" façade 5. It is nearly finished. This is a low relief building that I think is perfect for the left corner of the layout. I was going to put a couple of terraced houses here, but thought that they would be a bit too squashed. This building, with its open garage doors, fits much better:




However... I don't know what to put around it. There's plenty of space for a yard of some sort. But I can't decide what. It would need to be easy to model with my limited skills. I am thinking timber yard perhaps, with shelves of wood. I want something dirty and grimy. Will I need a fence? Or wall? Along the river AND the embankment sides, or just the river? Hmm.

Suggestions on what to do here are very welcome indeed!

Here's another angle of the space:





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Mike, why not put a wall or fence around the area to make it and enclosed yard, possibly with gates at the front.  Put in some cars and make it into a car-repair garage.  Add some tyres,etc.

Wall and gates here:

http://www.modelrailwayscenery.com/2014/02/6-old-industrial-brick-wall-gates-oo-4mm-176/

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Mike,

On using PVA for your river, have a read of this....

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=3870&forum_id=59

I did some experimenting and it's was just that but it may help you to not spoil what is going to be a wonderful present and much loved layout.

Basically, from my experience with PVA, less is more (again), a couple of light coats is all you should need, but you have to design your river banks accordingly.

As for the space, a small timber yard would be fine I reckon. Fenced at the base of the railway embankment , on top of the river bank and along the front edge with a gate for access?

The vegetation looks spot on. :thumbs

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Terry - I LOVE those gates! They may be just what I want here, thank you. I did ponder car repair shop, but I think it is just too much of a squeeze. But I like the idea of piles of tyres, so I will think some more.



Marty - your river experiments were very handy. I read the whole thread several times, and did some experiments of my own before settling on this method, which I hope works! I have kept the coats quite thin, but found it a bit of a challenge to get it into the nooks and crannies. My own experiments showed that this glue dries nice and clear after 2 days if kept at less than half mm deep. I tried varnish and 3 other PVA brands, none of which I was happy with. I'm aiming to do 4 coats, but will stop earlier if I think I need to. Second coat just gone on. Fingers crossed - the river is the risky bit, and like you say, it could really spoil this bit of the layout if it goes pear-shaped.



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Coming alone just fine. You are getting into the swing of scenery making now and the fruits of your labour is starting to show. Keep up the good work. :thumbs

As for the blank area, as has been mentioned already, why not turn it into a yard, foundry, cabinet maker, tooling shop etc... Something like this...



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Mike, it's just occurred to me that whatever you do, you are going to have to put a fence between the railway and the vacant plot, as it was a requirement by law in the UK, and still is as far as I know, that with a few exceptions all railways must fence off their running lines.

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emmess wrote:

Marty - your river experiments were very handy. I read the whole thread several times,

Awesome, it's good to know that it is of some use to somebody.... It's promoted me to finish it off.

Keep it coming... You're doing great.
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