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Spurno Owner/Webmaster. 
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Carrying on from Tom's post i would consider doing the ballast first because if you lay the ballast in the normal way and fix with the pva/water/washing up liquid method it won't mix with the grass once dry whereas the other way round it may.Either way you can mask off one or the other. ____________________ Regards Alan Born beside the mighty GWR. |
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toto Former Member
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Hi Alan, I'm more concerned about where the grass is situated in the middle of the ballast, ie more like weeds coming through. The main area's of grass could as you say be masked of whilst you lay the main ballast area. I've noted on some layouts the main ballast bed has weeds coming up through maybe between the sleepers or in the main general ballast track ed area, not at the side on the grass verge. Don't know if I'm explaining myself too great here . Apologies. Cheers toto |
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emmess Full Member 
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Thanks everyone for your encouragement and ideas regarding the ballast and the grass. I was meaning the general section really - the embankment and the cutting, river valley etc. For this, I will follow suggestions to put the ballast down first. Toto - that is a really good point. You are a couple of steps ahead of me. I hadn't even started thinking about my "weedy yard" so your comments have started me thinking. I will perhaps do some more investigation regarding that topic. So the plan is: finish the diesel shed; ballast from the headshunt down to just the other side of the occupation bridge; grass the embankment and the cutting. I have decided to treat the left and right side of the bridge as two separate sections and I am going to "finish" the left, including all the grassy areas, before moving on to complete the yard itself. This gives me plenty of time to decide on how best to achieve the neglected trackbed look. Thanks again everyone for your encouragement and constructive comments. ____________________ Mike Pig Hill Yard - a small Inglenook shunting layout for my boys, in 00. |
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Gary Inactive Member 
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Hi Mike, I tend to glue down some fine soil first as a base coat on the whole scenic area, followed by ballast then the grass, weeds etc. See here ; http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=12116&forum_id=21&page=2#p213052 I myself, would do all the grass in one go, on both sides of the bridge. This will create some consistency with the ground coverings/turf. Just put down the first layer of grasses first, as extras such as small shrubs, heavy weeds can be put down afterwards. Don't just stick to one colour either. As in the real world, grass comes in many shades of green, straw, gold, brown etc. I use three or four colours of static grass to show the different growth stages of the grass and where it is growing. As you would imagine, where there are low lying areas, hollows dips etc, the grass would be greener and taller as these depressions trap water. Along side roads or the railway line, the grass may yellow off, due to dust, heat, and less water available. Around buildings, sheds and reataining walls, the grass will typically be greener as there is a concentration of water run-off. Are you going to use static grass or just flocks/course turf ?? Generally, a combination of both works the best. Spreading some course turf in patches can represent weeds such as clover. Once this is down, static grass can be applied over the top. This is what I have done ; http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=12116&forum_id=21&page=3#p213090 As can be seeen in the link, I have applied a strip of yellow grass first along the edges of the road and railway line, then painted in more PVA and applied a mix of static grasses, including course turf. Once all the course turfs and static grasses are complete, then you can put in the different features that will define either side of the bridge. As for weeds amongst the rails, place a small amount of course turf in place and use an eye dropper with a 50/50 mix of PVA and water to wet it down. Job done ! I hope this makes some sense !  Cheers, Gary. ____________________ ...as a young lad, it was big trains for little boys, now it is little trains for big boys...! http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=12116&forum_id=21 |
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gormo Full Member 
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Hi Mike, I`ve just caught up with your topic here. You are doing an excellent job with this layout and the bridge area especially looks tremendous. Your young`uns will enjoy every moment playing trains with this special little railway......and aren`t you lucky having the KWVR close by. I spent a day there last year and loved it.!!!!  Cheers Gormo ____________________ "Anyone who claims to have never made a mistake, never made anything!!" https://sites.google.com/site/greatchesterfordmodelrailway/home |
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emmess Full Member
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Gary - what a detailed reply: Thank you! I had read your entire Plank thread but had forgotten your approach of adding soil everywhere first. That's a good idea, and one I will copy. I am going to be using a mix of flocks, coarse turf, clumps etc. I would love to use static grass but can't justify the cost of an applicator. Do you know how well the 'puffer bottles' work? I can probably stretch to the fiver they cost. I am, incidentally, treating the grassed parts of the right side of the bridge as part of Section One on the left, precisely because of what you say: consistency. Well there is nothing for it. I am going to just have to dive in and do this!! Gormo - thanks for your encouragement. I can't wait for the boys to see the finished article. I only hope I can keep it secret from them both! ____________________ Mike Pig Hill Yard - a small Inglenook shunting layout for my boys, in 00. |
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toto Former Member
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Hi Mike, I'm looking forward to seeing the grass go down. Your scenics and landscaping have been A1 to date and I'm sure that will continue. There are a few folk on the scenic side of things at the moment so I'm finding all this really good for the learning process. Good luck going forward. Cheers Toto |
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Gary Inactive Member
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Hi Mike, I have made my own 'static grass applicator' quite cheaply. In your money for about £15.00 ($28.00 Au). I used one of these : http://secure.oatleyelectronics.com//advanced_search_result.php?keywords=negative+ion+generator&osCsid=ff1fpsfacp44pjqa7h1vod8nj6&x=7&y=7 ...and some pvc down pipe and fittings from a plumbing supplier. Here is a link to my thread on making one : http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=10945&forum_id=12&highlight=static+grass+applicator Cheers, Gary. edit # When using soil, collect what you need, run it through a sieve and then slow cook it in the oven for about 20-30mins at gas mark 1 (140*C) to kill off any life. Allow to cool and then put through another extra fine sieve (tea strainer) and into a container. ____________________ ...as a young lad, it was big trains for little boys, now it is little trains for big boys...! http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=12116&forum_id=21 |
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col.stephens Full Member
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Mike, I have found that the puffer bottles are o.k provided you give them a good shake to charge the fibres. Terry |
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Gary Inactive Member
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Just adding to Terry's reply, you can apply the static grass then use a vacumm cleaner to stand the grass up. I would recommend putting a piece of stocking over the nozzle first. Make sure you ask SWMBO first before cutting them up !  Cheers, Gary. ____________________ ...as a young lad, it was big trains for little boys, now it is little trains for big boys...! http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=12116&forum_id=21 |
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col.stephens Full Member
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And make sure she takes them off first!  Terry |
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toto Former Member
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And if she doesn't, we'll understand about the lack of photographs being posted. There again, it could make a good how to. ....... No let's not go there. Back to grass applicators please. Cheers Toto |
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gormo Full Member
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Ahh Hemm.. Yes ,yes...those grass applicators.....jolly good chaps!! Cheers Gormo ____________________ "Anyone who claims to have never made a mistake, never made anything!!" https://sites.google.com/site/greatchesterfordmodelrailway/home |
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emmess Full Member
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DIESEL SHED FINISHED AND PLACED (232 days until Christmas) Ahem... Moving on from all thinks stockings, thanks for the grass/vacuum/stockings assistance! The diesel shed is finally complete and placed on the layout, squeezed in beside the retaining wall. It was a great Scalescenes kit to make. Something went a little wrong during construction though. I think it's designed really to be made up in more than one multiple of its length. Since my space is small, I'm going for a one-module length. When it came to fit the roof and guttering - the roof was 12mm too short!  Not to worry though - a bit of printing, chopping and sticking soon sorted it out. Here it is in situ on Pig Hill Yard:  I am really impressed with how sturdy the model is, and how well the inspection pit looks. It has provision for under-layout LEDs to be added to the inspection pit, behind a layer of greaseproof paper to diffuse the light. It works well:  I have used 4 LEDs wired in series and a 330r resistor to keep the light quite dim. Looking at the above though I wonder if I should lose the resistor, or wire in two sets of two. The interior detail of this kit is stunning. The bits and bobs inside - tool boxes, battery chargers, access panels etc. all look good, especially when glimpsed through the grimy windows. I wired in a couple of LEDs in the roof space too, to give it an overall lit appearance. It would be only right to take some photos once the sun went down:  And looking back to the shed in the dead of night...  I don't think I can put off that ballast and grass any longer! ____________________ Mike Pig Hill Yard - a small Inglenook shunting layout for my boys, in 00. |
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It's a cracker, Mike. Deserves one of these . . . I avoid putting LEDs in series. Occasionally one will fail - usually from my rough handling. If one fails, you won't be able to tell which one. Just a thought. ____________________ Max Port Elderley |
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emmess Full Member
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Hmm... Good point, Max. And here was I thinking that I had been clever! I will bear that in mind for future builds. The problem is that I have embedded the wiring and the LEDs in the roof that is subsequently glued on, so any kind of maintenance is impossible anyway. My thinking was that it looks good without any wiring on show, and should it fail, it still looks good. :s. I have the problem of light being projected onto the sky. Will a strategically-placed tree be enough to sort this out, I wonder... ____________________ Mike Pig Hill Yard - a small Inglenook shunting layout for my boys, in 00. |
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toto Former Member
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Hi Mike, You've done a great job of the shed. It looks really good and as you say, the detail is superb. The maintenance pit makes it. Cheers Toto |
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Gary Inactive Member
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Hi Mike, Excellent shed build.  The detail is very good. I think the pit lights are very good and not too bright. Place a loco over the top and I'm sure you get a good amount of light. I would assume that the roof lights actually dull down the pit lights to some extent. As for the lit backscene, either strategically placed bushes/trees or sheet the back of the windows with some white paper. Afterall, nobody will really see through from the backscene side of the layout. Another option is to build some scale window louvres for that side of the shed.Cheers, Gary. ____________________ ...as a young lad, it was big trains for little boys, now it is little trains for big boys...! http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=12116&forum_id=21 |
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gormo Full Member
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G`day Mike, Beautiful job on the shed. When you and I and the rest of us ,build this sort of thing, or any other modelling project for that matter.......we are so close to it physically and mentally....that we see every single little fault. However, when you invite friends and family to examine your handiwork.....they don`t see the minor errors and touch ups.....they don`t know about the artistic licence you employed and the adjustments you made to make it work. What they see is the overall picture......a delightful model ,skillfully built by you ,and they only wish they had your patience and skill and determination. Job well done !!.....  Cheers Gormo ____________________ "Anyone who claims to have never made a mistake, never made anything!!" https://sites.google.com/site/greatchesterfordmodelrailway/home |
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col.stephens Full Member
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Brilliant job Mike. Now you've got me thinking that I would like to build one of those, even though I don't need one at the moment! That's the wonderful thing about 'Your Model Railway Club', inspiration on every page! Terry |
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