Foam track underlay - use/avoid?
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Given the myriad ways of ballasting available to the railway modeller, have the years produces a more worthwhile and longer-lasting version?
Doug
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I have used it for many years outside in the sheds and indoors i have never had distortion problems with it at all,
Somebody did say they did but that was probably because they painted the upper side when the paint shrunk it distorted it. I purely either staple or nail it to the baseboard.
It has the best noise suppression i have encountered far better than cork or even the special under track bachmann sell.
here is a link where its the cheapest https://www.screwfix.com/p/wood-fibre-underlay-boards-7m-15-pack/7824r
you can get the same at B&Q buts it dearer
Piccy
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I have spent a frustrating hour trying to get the Peco site to give me Code 75 Electrofrog turn outs etc so as to down load the templates, despite 'filters' I just get the bull-head £32 l/r turn outs. I can get a list of all templates, but unless you know yourSL-E89s from your XYG- Whatevers, it's a case of click it, download the PDF, find it's the narrow gauge 32mm left-whanger, delete it, try another. Only 60-odd to choose from….it's enough to make me consider other brands of track….
What was wrong with the big list with piccies??? AAaaargh!
Doug
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Hope that helps a little!
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The alternative is to use a foam called Plastazote which is freely available in large sheets. LD33 density at 3mm thickness is a good choice, and I've used the 5mm density on my layout with no problems. You can Google Plastazote for suppliers, but here's a typical one - https://www.efoam.co.uk/zotefoam-plastazote.php
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I've probably got a paper set of templates lying around if you need them, but the geometry is the same as the Code 100 range if you can get those.
Thanks, Ben, knowing the geometry is the same helps agreat deal as I can download the Code 100.
Chris, Robert, thanks for your input, the 'Plastazote' looks very interesting. I do want to avoid cork, I found in the past that cutting long curves to be problematic, with a great deal of waste.
Best wishes for the New Year,
Doug
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I did look at using this a few years back but i depends on your layout size if its a large layout and you need a considerable amount it can be quite expensive but with a smaller layout well worth considering.
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I took a sharp knife in one hand, and held it at an angle while resting on a wagon pushed with my other hand. In this way it was very easy to create a nice ballast shoulder that exactly followed the contour of the track.
That sounds ideal!
[Brian, regarding costs, SWMBO has spent the last 15 years developing my spending muscle, and now I can splash out as much as 17/6d without blinking…]
Doug
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If you cut several contour shapes in smaller and smaller sizes from any offcuts, soak them in watered down pva, then stick them down layer on layer over some sort of former ( nail ? Screw? Bit of wood ? ) you can form a hill or embankment etc, once dry use a flat blade to contour the edges and finish of with some plaster or grout mixed using watered down pva again.
Makes a fairly lightweight hill using up scrap pieces, so cheap as chips and surprisingly robust
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IKEA cork placemats. About1/8" thick. Already flat. Cuts well, glues on with white glue, silicone caulking or contact adhesives. Rolled cork has a tendency to crack when laid out flat. I tried closed cell foam, tends to detach with time unless the surfaces are roughened.
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Just thought this might be of some use.
Happy new year.
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I just use card. Cheap, cuts easily, sticks down with no problems. Looks just like any other trackbed when ballasted.
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Here are a couple of photos of Code 75 points with Peco underlay and a ballast topping. The close up is a rather crude sorting of electrical continuity problems with one - coat of paint and it vanishes :cool: - and the other shows some in situ. The plain track is C&L on Tracklay underlay - a hard foam with a coated side that ballast adheres to - a length of track can be done in less than a minute.
These have been in place for seven years now and there has been no change in them.
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Best wishes for a Happy and Prosperous New Year to all,
Doug
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Cheers
Andy
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Hi Doug,Thanks again to everybody w ho has replied, Ben, is it really 7 years since we saw you doing this lovely work? Tempus fugit indeed. I have decided on 3mm Plastazote and Copydex as I don't have a huge layout to build, 2 sheets will probably do nicely.
Best wishes for a Happy and Prosperous New Year to all,
Doug
I think you might be better off with a synthetic rubber contact adhesive (that is usually the recommended one). Applied to both surfaces and allowed to dry type. Solvent based for preference. Evo-stick or similar. Copydex is water based latex stabilized with ammonia.
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Thanks, Nigel,Hi Doug
I think you might be better off with a synthetic rubber contact adhesive (that is usually the recommended one). Applied to both surfaces and allowed to dry type. Solvent based for preference. Evo-stick or similar. Copydex is water based latex stabilized with ammonia.
Nigel
Doug
'You may share the labours of the great, but you will not share the spoil…' Aesop's Fables
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin
In the land of the slap-dash and implausible, mediocrity is king
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin
In the land of the slap-dash and implausible, mediocrity is king
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