Arcing Pantograph
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The 2½ minutes shown illustrates a couple of things very well. First is the seldom-noticed zig-zag effect of the contact wire which is purposely done to even the wear on the pan; if this were not the case it would soon cut a notch or groove in the head which I believe still uses carbon strips as they make the best self-lubricated contact with the overheads.
The second is the continual and variable arcing caused, as noted by the poster, due to the current being drawn through icy contacts. Ice and frost on the overhead will create a barrier to power transmission and cause the power to "jump" a slight gap of even a few molecules of water lining the contact wire. This effect can also be seen on a frosty day in third-rail electrified areas and even on outer sections of the London Underground.
Such arcing can cause very significant wear to the pan (or pick-up shoes on live-rail systems) and creates uneven power supply to the motors. On modern electronically-controlled stock this can be "smoothed" to provide the required "clean" current but on older trains this facility is not present. That can result in power gaps and surges leading to erratic performance and in extreme cases to a blown fuse causing the train to stop.
On DC systems arcing can very occasionally cause currents to short to earth and / or cause severe damage to the train as they create an unstable arc whereas AC current only generates stable arcs. That is one reason why the lower voltage DC systems require far greater structure clearances than do modern high voltage AC systems.
The video looks to have been specially shot to examine the effects in those conditions and for research purposes into how best to overcome them. The former BR research department at Derby also commissioned occasional filming of a similar nature particularly before the higher speeds above 100mph for WCML (upgraded to 110mph pre-rebuild, now 125mph) and ECML (140mph design speed, 125mph maximum service speed) were authorised.
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Rick you sound quite versed in electrical knowledge, I wonder if you have an electrical engineering background?
After watching the above clip I looked at a few of the other suggested clips and as an electrical technician myself I found the clips quite interesting.
I did note though that most of the shots were of USA origin and looking at the way they do things electrically over there I'm not surprised at the results!
Why they insist on overhead supplies to homes in known hurricane areas is beyond me!
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I have always professed myself to be electrically-ignorant whether it be 12v model wiring or high-tension transmission lines.
But with many years knowledge of and enthusiasm for railways and with a significant proportion of those having electric propulsion at one point or another I have at least acquired some sort of useful understanding of how they work and the factors which affect that operation.
Having worked for Melbourne tramways, one of the largest systems in the World, for some years has also provided me with some first-hand operational experience of the quirks and vagaries of traction current supply.
I am always happy to share and pass on what ever I have gained over the years and thank you for your comments as well.
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The third thing to notice is that the pantograph doesnt 'bounce' Something I have tried to ensure with my model OLE. Nothing more unrealistic on a model than seign the pan rise between masts.
That amount of arcing is not good!
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Jim
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We were always taught never to look at an arcing pantograph or third rail shoe as it can be as bright as a welder.
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