Class 25 what Numbers ran in Scotland, is there a listing I can check out .

Bachman or HORNBY what is the best one.

It really depends what is meant by "ran in Scotland" as some were allocated to Scottish depots and spent much of their lives there, others were at English depots but made trips across the border at times.  And as with many British locomotive classes they were sometimes reallocated to different areas according to need.

 You might be able to find what you require here though the site is very heavily used and is often down due to overload.

http://www.brdatabase.info

Class 24 also ran in Scotland with many examples delivered to Inverness though again they moved around.  


The site allows you to view the records of every single locomotive which will take some time if you need to go through over 300 of the class.


Debate continues over Bachmann vs. Hornby but for my money the Bachmann one looks the part and has the better mechanism and running characteristics.  There were numerous rather different designs and the Scottish ones also had tablet catchers (later removed but the catcher recess often remained) giving another variation.

Hi David,

The Scottish Region received Class 25/3 numbers D7611-D7623 in 1965-67. Plus ETHEL 1-3 were first allocated to Scotland. Taken from British Rail Mainline Diesel Locomotives.

Nigel

Thank you guys brilliant ? what is ETHEL ?

ETHEL = Electric Train Heating Ex-Locomotive.

A handful of class 25 conversions were undertaken when Mk3 sleeping cars replaced the Mk1 version as the traction then available was unable to produce enough "hotel power" (or in some cases any at all) to power these coaches.  

The Mk1 sleepers were built steam-heated and vacuum-braked AFAIK though were converted over the years to electric and air.  Class 37/0 as used in the Highlands to replace the withdrawn class 25/26/27 types did not have ETH generators.  A sub-class 37/4 was created which was fitted with this equipment and rendered the ETHELs redundant after a very short time.

 ETHEL units did not have traction gear and did not offer power to haul the train - they required another locomotive attached to them in order to move at all.

The Inverness - London sleepers, once hauled by pairs of class 27s with the occasional 24 or 25 substituting, went over to class 47 haulage; those locos were from sub-class 47/4 which already had ETH generators so no ETHEL was required.  Which is just as well since they loaded to the maximum 16 vehicles most nights anyway and were very generously times up the banks.  I recall timing the southbound train at a fairly steady 17mph up to Culloden one night and we still arrived early at the Aviemore stop.

Okay here is another for you guys Class 20 @ e-Hattons number D 8020 with tablet Green I,m guessing the tablet indicated Scottish.?

Hi David,

Yes, Scottish class 20's were modified for token exchange equipment because of the extensive single line workings in the Highlands (they were not the only class to have these fitted). Rectangular recess under the cab window to which was attached the token exchange arm. The arm was removed when they were based south of the border, but the recess was left alone. This meant the letter/numbers were just below the cab window instead of in the lower half of the body panel. Bachmann's offering looks like it has over-sized letter/numbers. I think Scottish Class 20's would normally have had those 3-section snow plows fitted for most if not all of the year.

What is this - quiz night?

Nigel

I cant access the Site recommended above so I thought I would ask, I do have a copy of BR Diesel Traction in Scotland but its 370 pages of pictures rather than actual Diesel info.

Left the UK when I was 38 and although I went spotting as a kid its all gone by the wayside, the thing that's frustrating is the lack of stock that even the best stores don't seem to have at the moment.

I have used GOOGLE a lot but not much on actual individual locos, although I didn't want to start repainting Models its looking the best thing at the moment. just need the info to do it correctly.

David
A Yorkshireman in the USA.

Hi David,

Lot of catching up then. (I left in 1980).

"class 20 diesel scotland" as a search term brings up lots of information, just click on "Images" to get a really nice one  - https://www.google.com/search?q=class+20+diesel+scotland&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSiqfghtnPAhWBMz4KHSwLAk0Q_AUICCgB&biw=1600&bih=785#imgrc=p0gjXQw3Qt7L_M%3A - snow plows included. It's often not productive to be too complicated in the choice of search terms, being literal is often better. Try "what class 20 diesels were in scotland".

If you're getting into diesels then the books by Colin Marsden are good to have. Most of the information on various websites (especially Wiki) comes straight from the book. The book "West Highland Lines" by Gordon Webster (available as an ebook) also contains a chapter on the Class 20's in Scotland. Great information if you model the West Highland Lines and want to get it right. Google https://books.google.com/books?id=xUMTDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT89&lpg=PT89&dq=what+class+20+diesels+were+in+scotland&source=bl&ots=Eq5uWrHrzy&sig=KXk78jCBQ_mQIdBaGFGNiohS-YA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwij4ImMiNnPAhWJVT4KHfwxCBMQ6AEIRTAG#v=onepage&q=what%20class%2020%20diesels%20were%20in%20scotland&f=false and you can read it for free.

Nigel

Today is a good day, I left in 83 never been back.

Thankyou.