Kit Bashing more practical help
Posted
#239152
(In Topic #13240)
![Avatar](https://yourmodelrailway.net//uploads/cns_avatars/1801.jpg)
Full Member
Gluing White Metal to Plastic
Hi All. I am Bashing my Head against the wall??? I did actually begin a thread, but, got no takers. So I have started here. I do have a “ kit to assemble straight out of the box “ , it is the glue that I am asking about. The kit is straightforward, but I need to glue white metal to plastic and don’t know what glue to purchase.Please advise. Best wishes Kevin
Staying on the thread Kevin.
Posted
![Avatar](https://yourmodelrailway.net//uploads/cns_avatars/606.jpg)
Site staff
![Sol is in the usergroup ‘Super-moderators’ Sol is in the usergroup ‘Super-moderators’](https://yourmodelrailway.net//themes/default/images/cns_rank_images/mod.png)
glue for white meal to plastic gets many answers - for starters
Best glue for metal to plastic? | Adventure Rider
https://www.hunker.com/12589373/what-types-of-glue-will-stick-metal-to-plastic
Ron
NCE DCC ; 00 scale UK outline.
NCE DCC ; 00 scale UK outline.
Posted
Full Member
Otherwise, JB Weld is the best epoxy glue, bar none, but you need to give the plastic a bit of a scratch to get below the surface, or it'll just "pop" off the surface when the glue hardens. Some of the 5 minute epoxies are slightly flexible when set which can help your case.
But Evo-Stik is the only truly sticky adhesive, especially if you use it carefully as you should , i.e….both surfaces, leave for 5 minutes (more than enough with the new formula), then bang them together exactly where you want them.
Word of warning…only today, I went out to buy a small tube of Evo-Stik as my current one is getting low. I went to B&Q's where I got the current one to be told without a single care of customer sympathy that they no longer stock it. I went to Wickes to find the same glum response. I went to Screwfix (owned by B&Q, but you never know yer luck), she went to those absolutely useless cartridges of basically thick PVA/plaster mix. I told her they were cartridges, NOT tubes. I had to resort to the toothpaste simile to get my point across, only to be told I could get it online! She was completely unaware that such an attitude will ensure her unemployment! Frankly I hope it does. Serve her right.
I eventually went to what I thought was purely a locksmiths, but the nearest our woeful town comes to an ironmonger, a name it promisingly bore on its sign. Sure enough, they had a tube, the last in the shop and ridiculously expensive, but I bought it. I came home resigned to never using a shop again except for food, looked up ebay and found a 6 pack for a tenner! I bought it.
So the big boys ain't flogging it any more, well the Hell with them. I don't need them. Nobody does. Just make sure you always have a supply of Evo-Stik. Nothing else comes close to it in usefulness, despite it's less strong new formula. It used to be a snotty colour and consistency. Now it's an amber shade, see through and less…..snotty!
Cheers,
Martin
Manifestly it is better to use simple tools expertly than to possess a bewildering assortment of complicated gadgets and either neglect or use them incompetently. ( L.T.C.Rolt)
Posted
![Avatar](https://yourmodelrailway.net//uploads/cns_avatars/1801.jpg)
Full Member
Staying on the thread Kevin.
Posted
![Avatar](https://yourmodelrailway.net//uploads/cns_avatars/1801.jpg)
Full Member
Staying on the thread Kevin.
Posted
Full Member
Good luck,
Martin
Manifestly it is better to use simple tools expertly than to possess a bewildering assortment of complicated gadgets and either neglect or use them incompetently. ( L.T.C.Rolt)
Posted
Legacy Member
reg
Posted
![Avatar](https://yourmodelrailway.net//uploads/cns_avatars/1801.jpg)
Full Member
Staying on the thread Kevin.
Posted
![Avatar](https://yourmodelrailway.net//uploads/cns_avatars/1632.jpg)
Full Member
Most modern glues will work. Two-part epoxy, contact, cyano, silicone sealant, pva. My preference is epoxy (large areas) or 15" CA (details) gives a bit of wiggle room. The key (literally) is bright metal, no finger grease, keyed metal and plastic (#400 paper). Never expect metal/plastic to take any lateral shear. Most plastics used in modeling are inert and hydrophobic, the bond depends on all those micro ridges made by keying. If you have a large area, or a protrusion, use small pieces of p/b rod drilled in place and secured with epoxy. When building coaches with plastic sides and metal ends or metal side overlays use brass angle inside to give extra surface area.
Nigel
©Nigel C. Phillips
Posted
Full Member
Because your rigid and always a little greasy White metal is rigid and your plastic is not, a slightly flexible glue that creates it's own key to plastic (polystyrene anyway) is preferable provided the joint is a good fit of reasonable area.
Martin
Last edit: by Mr.Tin
Manifestly it is better to use simple tools expertly than to possess a bewildering assortment of complicated gadgets and either neglect or use them incompetently. ( L.T.C.Rolt)
Posted
![Avatar](https://yourmodelrailway.net//uploads/cns_avatars/1801.jpg)
Full Member
Best wishes Kevin
Staying on the thread Kevin.
Posted
![Avatar](https://yourmodelrailway.net//uploads/cns_avatars/1801.jpg)
Full Member
Staying on the thread Kevin.
Posted
Full Member
Martin
Manifestly it is better to use simple tools expertly than to possess a bewildering assortment of complicated gadgets and either neglect or use them incompetently. ( L.T.C.Rolt)
Posted
![Avatar](https://yourmodelrailway.net//uploads/cns_avatars/1801.jpg)
Full Member
Staying on the thread Kevin.
Posted
![Avatar](https://yourmodelrailway.net//uploads/cns_avatars/6.jpg)
Full Member
Thanks for all the useful information Martin - maybe Alan should make this a "sticky" …………………… :pedal
'Petermac
Posted
Full Member
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ALPHA-THIXOFIX-DUNLOP-CONTACT-ADHESIVE-40ML-TUBE/173653284471?hash=item286e8ad677:m:mjpzZbezFqthxnePSCtjdQw:rk:3:pf:1&frcectupt=true
A bit pricey, compared to Evo-Stik, but then you may have a reason to prefer the thixotropic nature of Thixofix and , like me and Evo-Stik, need to squeeze little amounts from a tube. I was surprised to find Thixofix available in tubes. It never used to be and getting little bits from a quite large tin was never easy.
Martin
Manifestly it is better to use simple tools expertly than to possess a bewildering assortment of complicated gadgets and either neglect or use them incompetently. ( L.T.C.Rolt)
Posted
![Avatar](https://yourmodelrailway.net//uploads/cns_avatars/1801.jpg)
Full Member
Staying on the thread Kevin.
Posted
![Avatar](https://yourmodelrailway.net//uploads/cns_avatars/6.jpg)
Full Member
Maybe the "improved" stuff is thinner than the old product.
'Petermac
Posted
Full Member
Kevin, you must speak and act as you find of course, but since much these days can only be obtained online I have grown used to mail order, as much for lack of shops as poor stocking and service in what few shops remain. Being told by a shop girl that I could get Eve-Stik online (!!) I came home and doid just that. I will no more need to buy any from an expensive ironmongers. Sorry Ironmonger, but you need to do better on your buying abilities. My Mum and Dad had a radio and TV shop in a Devon Village (Jam and Jerusalem, BBC, anybody?) and Dad was a real Cockney when it came to negotiating prices from wholesalers, etc. These savings he passed on to his customers. Consequently we had thousands by the time he died and Mum sold the business. People actually came out to us from Exeter and Okehampton to get better and cheaper. These days shopkeepers won't try hard enough. I will no more use shops for anything but food and timber. Fortunately we have two local timber purveyors who are both friendly, helpful and cheaper than the twisted muck sold by B&Q and their like.
If the high street becomes a wasteland, so be it. Redevelop it as homes for all the poor devils who have nowhere to live.
Martin
Manifestly it is better to use simple tools expertly than to possess a bewildering assortment of complicated gadgets and either neglect or use them incompetently. ( L.T.C.Rolt)
Posted
![Avatar](https://yourmodelrailway.net//uploads/cns_avatars/1801.jpg)
Full Member
Staying on the thread Kevin.
1 guest and 0 members have just viewed this.