Proof that Bachmann have really lost the plot!
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A fool and his money are soon parted!
For some time I have had an order with Hattons of Liverpool for the forthcoming Bachmann model of a 45-ton Ransomes and Rapier crane. Hattons, who are quite savvy in all things model railways, estimated a probable price of around £64.00 This seems a reasonable estimate considering that you can buy a Hornby breakdown crane for around £25. Obviously the Hornby model will not bear close comparison to the new Bachmann product and as such one is prepared to pay the extra forty quid or so.
However, today I received this news from Hattons:
'Bachmann have confirmed that the Recommended Retail price for the 45-ton Ransomes and Rapier steam crane is £249.95, resulting in a new sales price of £212.46. This is due to the the terms of supply to all retailers by Bachmann therefore we will unable to provide this item at our estimated price.'
So basically, Bachmann think they can get away with charging £250 for what is basically two wagons with a crane stuck on top! I understand the arguments about wage increases in China and so on, but I do not personally intend to fund every Chinaman's new mansion, sports car and his son's private education! There is a limit to which one is prepared to pay for any model and, looking at the cost of Bachmann's 2018 items, I think they have now passed that point.
I immediately cancelled my order with Hattons. Sitting in my cupboard of unfinished models is one Airfix breakdown crane kit, which cost me under £10 and is still available from Dapol. I had put it on ice pending the arrival of the new Bachmann model. Time, I think, to remove it from the cupboard and get it finished.
Terry
(Disgruntled ex-Bachmann customer).
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I expect you are a very experienced railway modeller but you may have missed the 60" full surround sound TV that pops out of the back of the rear wagon, also the solid Gold 10 man crew. :cool wink
All I can say is I will not be buying one of these either.
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Robert
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Even with Hatton's discounted prices you will be looking at paying around £140 - £160 for any newly released Bachmann tender loco in 2018. Not long ago I bought a Bachmann BR Standard Class 5MT in green from Hattons for £72. This year a similar loco will be selling for £157!
We are getting into the realms of 'cheque book modelling' which is one of the reasons I gave up O Gauge. Perversely, ready to run O Gauge locos are becoming cheaper (thanks to Dapol), whilst OO is becoming evermore expensive. We might soon reach a situation where it will be cheaper to buy an O Gauge loco than a similar model in OO!
Terry
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"The only stupid question is the one you don't ask"
Regards.
Tony.
Regards.
Tony.
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There is a lively debate over on RMWeb regarding the still £200+ discounted Hattons' revised price. It appears that this a highly detailed model with a large amount of hand assembly, but the real reason for the hike in price is that Bachmann are looking to recoup their outlay in the first (possibly only) production run of the model for some time.
The question for most modellers would appear to be, 'Do I want / need a 45 ton breakdown crane more than two or three locos?' .
Discuss . . .
Bill
Happy with my ABS Models 1.5T travelling crane!
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https://youtu.be/j8NiR7C2NyQ
I know eyeryones perceptions of value /price are somewhat different, but compared to single coaches now around the £60 range, it seems to me that it is not too excessive for what you are going to get. Just speaking disinterestdly, BTW, as I am not buying one myself, having no need for it.
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That may or may not be an encouragement to buy one this time round, while you still can! There are certainly people on RMWeb who are now pre-ordering at the £200+ level. I can't help thinking however, what Bachmann's reaction might be if instead, even more people like Terry, cancelled their existing pre-orders. Might that be encouragement enough for the price to come down?
Just thinking out loud!
Bill
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I've no doubt that they will sell very well but as I said earlier at that price not for me.
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Tony.
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Not something I would consider but over in Europe, Märklin/Trix made an awesome model of a crane, complete with all bells and whistles, sound, working jib and everything.
The price: around £850!
Not for me, thanks!
I wonder if there's a kind of correlation between model cranes and the real thing?
Few depots (or people) can afford one in the first place, they very rarely get used and nobody hardly ever would buy more than one! So their scarcity forces them to remain expensive.
Cheers,
John.
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Allan
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It was obviously going to happen as China gets richer. Consequently it is going to become viable to manufacture much more in the UK. If you really want to compare prices I suggest you check out the Hornby and Triang prices from the 1950s and 1960s, add inflation and you will probably find £250 is not a bad price.
Remember value and price are not always the same thing.
David
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The Bachmann crane will have all kinds of unnecessary features, each pushing up the price. Why do we need a moving jib, gears, pistons, stabilisers? I don't want to play with it like a ten year old child. It will either sit stationary in a siding or it will form part of a moving train. It doesn't require all of these moving features. I would have preferred some realistic looking, but dummy features, and a much cheaper price. We can make all kinds of arguments about scale models, etc., but basically we are grown men and women playing with our toy trains and this is a very expensive toy.
Terry
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It's the same thing with opening cab windows, opening cab doors and opening smoke box doors on some locos which, in my field, it would be just as pointless in making working sash windows and opening/closing doors ( and if I built a loco the wheels probably wouldn't go round either.)
Allan
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I've seen some digitized and detailed Hornby cranes with working motors on You Tube that look the business. Looking at the Bachmann model that wouldn't be that hard to bash from the Hornby kit. Wild Boar Models did a 3D print kit of an R&R in 4mm for £160, sold out, might be worthwhile asking them to repeat it. The D&S Cowans kit looks good as well (if you can find one, expect to pay £160).
For less than £20 a Hornby one is usually available on eebygum in good consition. Which weathered, rusty and with a bit of detail (couple of dummy cylinders on the side, and get rid of the "big 'andle crank") looks fine at the back of the layout or being towed around in the breakdown train. That way you can buy the engine to pull it around. When I did mine I used the parts from a Tichy Train Group 100 ton breakdown crane kit - all the steam bits, winding drums and cylinders you need are there.
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Gormo and here is the link
http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=13302&forum_id=150&page=1
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'Nuff said?
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I'm supposed to be a pro but know nothing about this crane business and almost naff all about everything else !
Allan.
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