Electro DCC
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Hi All. Out of the blue, something I thought would never happen? I received an email from Kernow MRC.My new loco is in the post, alas I never stuck with an "Earlier Plan" and have nowhere to do it justice , but I will one day. Problem being is it DCC ready or DCC fitted? I phoned Kernow straight away, and was assured that it was, but, what if when I receive the loco without removing the body from the chassis how can I be certain? And if I run on the wrong current ? Or whatever? Will that burn out the motor? As I don't want to cause any damage after waiting so long, for the "Late Arrival". Please advise, all the best. Kevin
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If it's DCC ready it will have a blanking plug that allows it to run on DC, but not DCC. If it's equipped with a decoder it will run on DCC and should run on DC unless the decoder has been configured to DCC only. Rather than doing the dangerous "nasty humming" test with DCC, take the body off when it arrives and have a look. If it
Get Kernow to send you an email with details of what you ordered and what decoder (if any) has been fitted. The other way is to check what you think ordered against the Kernow online catalog, and the price you are going to pay. DCC equipped normally means £80-100 more than DCC ready.
I got a Bachmann 'doodlebug' (diesel electric passenger/mail car) cheap recently, first test was to run it on DC. Dead on arrival. Off with the body shell (PITA), and low and behold, it had an NCE decoder already installed by the previous owner. Tried it on DCC, purrrfect. Checked the CVs, DCC only had been enabled. I left it as is, as I don't run anything on DC.
I've said this before, anybody running DCC needs a DC power/controller and a foot or so of isolated track as part of the tool kit.
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Looks like Hattons haven't got theirs yet. In their blurb, DCC On board is 24 pounds extra and DCC Sound (Olivias) is 145 pounds extra :shock:. You're probably paying quite a bit for install.
Lots of clues Kevin.
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F0 - front and rear markers (counts as two functions)
F1 - cab lights end #1
F2 - cab lights end #2
F3 - head code blinds
Don't use an 8pin decoder on an 8/21 converter plug because you won't have F2 or F3.
(Edited to say you need a 5-function decoder. )
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All the best. Kevin
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Mine is fitted with a Lenz Silver 21-pin decoder and all the lights work.
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See http://djmodels.co.uk/?page_id=253
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I couldn't anything at Howes or Digitrains, but you should ask.
This does add an interesting dimension to the model. Most decoders are programmed to let you drive in a more realistic way than the usual jackrabbit starts and stops I so frequently see. :roll:
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The Hornby model does not have much room for speakers, whereas the DJM one does.
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Because I have so many sound locomotives and got used to driving them with all the built-in delays and gentle acceleration and braking, I tend to set all of my decoders with high inertia/momentum settings. As a starting point, I usually set CV3 (acceleration) at 25 and CV4 (braking) at 18, but then tweak those settings to suit the individual locomotive/unit and decoder combination.I see a Class 71 Loksound V4 decoder here: http://www.oliviastrains.com/trains/mt/olivias-trains-sound-function-sheets/olivias-class-71-sound-functions/
I couldn't anything at Howes or Digitrains, but you should ask.
This does add an interesting dimension to the model. Most decoders are programmed to let you drive in a more realistic way than the usual jackrabbit starts and stops I so frequently see. :roll:
John
I agree wholeheartedly that the sound and driving characteristics add a whole new dimension to the driving experience.
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What I meant about special driving skills is that with sound locos (and, indeed, all of my own DCC locos), you have to learn to anticipate a bit because of the high inertia/momentum settings. If you want to stop at point A, you have to slow down quite a bit earlier because the model is simulating the characteristics of the real thing. Turning the controller to zero still means the train will continue on for some distance, coming to a gradual halt.
With the NCE, if you misjudge a stop, you can hit the red button to stop almost instantly.
Also, all of the settings can be altered by simply reprogramming CVs 3 and 4, so you can set whatever inertia and momentum you feel comfortable with. Personally, I like the challenge of driving more like the real things where one has to learn the characteristics of what one is driving.
The sound projects are generally set up to behave in a more realistic way with the high momentum and inertia; opening the throttle right up, the diesel engine or traction motor blowers will spool up, then the brakes will release, then the train will move slowly off. Moving the throttle setting down a notch or two will allow steam engines to stop chuffing and go into coasting mode (usually clanking of rods, etc.), diesels to throttle down to idle, and electrics to kill the traction motor blowers. Winding the throttle up a little gets the chuffs, diesel thrash or traction motor fans going again.
Of course, one can also simply turn the sounds off altogether (usually F1 for British sound projects) and just enjoy silent running.
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My first DJM class 71, E5003, arrived today; it was waiting for me when I got home from work. I have been running it on the rolling road on DC, and as soon as I finish this posting, I'll be fitting the ESU LokSound decoder I have had reserved for it. This has the legomanbiffo sound installed already, but I'll have to experiment with speakers again.
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a short end to end I could try it on but that is only eleven foot. There has been a mention of oiling the Loco on a video.
Please le me have your thoughts on it. Kevin
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If you look back to the very first few posts on my Newton Broadway layout thread, you'll see that I like to get something running just to keep my interest sparked, even if it is only a temporary track. There is series of photos of our late Toby watching the first locomotive (a class 33) trundling back and forth along a stretch of track with temporary leads attached with crocodile clips. The length of the run was less than 10 feet, using three lengths of flexible track.
Eventually, of course, I got the Underground tracks running with a complete double-track circuit. I like being able to run trains continuously, but I have to say I have also had fun with small end to end shunting layouts too.
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