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Running in a new loco
Hi All. This isn't my first new Loco, but I am never certain as to how long it has to be run on DC, before one fits a Decoder . Half an hour each way? But at the time of writing, I only have a "four foot long plank".I can only assume that is on a full size layout. Please advise. Kevin
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https://www.dccconcepts.com/product/rolling-road-multi-gauge-6-axle/
http://www.rollingrails.co.uk/
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made about them . And at the time it put me off buying one. All the best. Kevin
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Rolling roads are very useful, not just for "running in". Good investment.
I'm personally not sure about this running-in business. Especially with modern nylon/delrin gear sets and precision (CNC machine) cut hard brass worms. I suspect the most significant effect is on the motor - wearing the brush face to the profile of the commutator or bedding in the bearings. I use a fair amount of Ultrascale and NWSL products, none of their gear sets seem to need running-in.
If running-in is recommended, it begs the question - what is it doing? If like an older car it is to remove those bits of metal/plastic that shouldn't be there shouldn't running in be followed by a meticulous clean and relube to get rid of bits from the lubricants?
As NWSL puts it: "You can't wear a gear in, you can only wear it out".
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Assuming you have a DC controller, which is what you would need to power a DC loco on a rolling road, you could just buy a circle of setrack curves for about £10.
Set up the circle of track on the kitchen table or whatever, connect the DC power supply and run-in any DC loco for as long as you like.
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Riddles? One of the things in this hobby that really helps is knowing what you are working with.
With all this improved precision and materials, what are we actually doing when running in that engine? I really don't know why we do it (motor excepted, and that's probably been run in at the factory anyway).
If you do use a circle of track, remember to flip the engine around every now and again to equalize the centrifugal force on the bearings. And to run it backwards and forwards. Very important. So I've read. So it must be true. ;-) ;-)
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All the best. Kevin
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Think the ones I saw were a set of used R607 2nd radius double curves x 8 on eBay.
They would have to be 2nd radius minimum, so you'd need a 4' x 4' space to set them up.
Hattons have them new for £18, but you'd have to add £4 postage to that.
http://www.hattons.co.uk/6944/Hornby_R607_Circle_of_8_2nd_radius_double_curve_track_8_make_a_circle_/StockDetail.aspx
But, since then I was advised of this rolling road on another forum.
http://www.directtrainspares-burnley.co.uk/page25.html
Don't know if they're any good, but are a much more reasonable price than other rolling roads I've seen.
Personally a rolling road is a 'nice to have' rather than a necessity, as I can just remove my DCC locos from Latton Fields and plug in my DC controller to run-in any locos. Easy for me, as I don't have that many locos on the layout at any one time.
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A good quality rolling road is not that expensive. Mine cost around £30 (IBachryus). It only needs 15" of track, which for the space challenged is a godsend.
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Riddles? One of the things in this hobby that really helps is knowing what you are working with.
With all this improved precision and materials, what are we actually doing when running in that engine? I really don't know why we do it (motor excepted, and that's probably been run in at the factory anyway).
If you do use a circle of track, remember to flip the engine around every now and again to equalize the centrifugal force on the bearings. And to run it backwards and forwards. Very important. So I've read. So it must be true. ;-) ;-)
Nigel
Hi Nigel. Have you had a change of heart, On rolling Roads? Kevin
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Not for running in. Most of what I buy is already "run in" or either "ruined", so there is really no point. Making sure that diesel locomotive goes as it should, checking the wiring on a DC to DCC conversion (with a blanking plug) and then testing the decoder when the CVs are being adjusted/changed. They are also very useful for checking wheel quartering/binding/eccentricity with steam locomotives. You can get close-up and personal with the wheels at eye level (I use the magnifying lamp). Even works with powered tenders. Also very useful for painting diesel wheels at slow RPM with a decent sable brush and a steady hand.
They're not just for running in (which I'm still not convinced about with modern model locomotives), as anything that needs running in probably doesn't have the tolerances it should have. There is a reason why an Ultrascale wheelset can cost almost as much as the new locomotive. Case in point, Bachmann Collett Goods from Hattons, (pre-order) £94, Ultrascale wheel set for same - £91.98. I've never run in anything from Ultrascale or Alan Gibson Workshop.
Just checked the latest price here - $71.00. I've had mine at least 10 years. Another very useful piece of gear, especially if space is an issue.
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