GWR/LMS OO Gauge DCC RR&Co

How true

:shock:Oh the trials of a Railway Model Build.

Excellent recovery John :). Your perserverance has been rewarded:thumbs. Those walkways really enhance the building.

Ah the trials of the LNWR and GWR in Wales an interesting history in itself.

Pose a G2 rather than a Midland Jinty design my friend. There was no love lost between Crewe and Derby in L.M.S. days.

Keep up the great build.

Derek.

Like it John, despite the mishap looks very good to me :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs

Don't think anything I eventually get around to doing will look that good.


Ed

Top job John.You certainly have patience.

Derek, Ed and Alan:

Thank you so much for your kind comments……it was more than a little frustrating …..but one of the many attractions of this multi faceted hobby is the ability to switch to something completely different so to cool off I spent a few days with RR&Co and my suburban commutor routines


[user=477]shunter1[/user] wrote:

Pose a G2 rather than a Midland Jinty design my friend. There was no love lost between Crewe and Derby in L.M.S. days.

Keep up the great build.

Derek.

There is the rub Derek……it has to be an ex LNWR shed because the Midland never got to North Wales but Bachmann have produced a stream of very attractive Midland Locos……3F, Compound and 4F (plus the Lanky)

To my shame I never got round to getting the 0-8-0…………the LMS went real quick but I contemplated buying a BR version and changing the transfers………there were some real bargains but I dillies and dallied and now its probably too late



Ed wrote:

I don't think anything I eventually get around to doing will look that good.

Ed

I am sure you will Ed………Scalescene kits and papers are very versatile.


Hopefully the shed will be finished this week but I have just been landed with a load of cooking duties:roll:

Hi John

Firstly after joining this forum last weekend I have found your posts truly incredible and I am amazed with what you have achieved.  it has given a complete beginner some many ideas so thank you for that.

Could you possibly advise if possible what brand and where I might be able to find the Rolling stock wagons (Manchester collieries)that you have on page 26 of this thread.  would be keen to acquire some for my layout.

Thanks Colin

Hi John,

The flashings do finish it off and to add the catwalks just makes it better still. The mishap must have been soul destroying but you've made an excellent recovery and the finished product is well worth the effort.

Excellent model.

Toto

Thanks for the kind words Toto………..nice therapeutic stuff now….fixing a couple of chimneys and painting some LMS crew to populate the area:lol:



[user=1660]Colin_A_Jones[/user] wrote:

Hi John

Could you possibly advise if possible what brand and where I might be able to find the Rolling stock wagons (Manchester collieries)that you have on page 26 of this thread.  would be keen to acquire some for my layout.

Thanks Colin

Hi Colin

I am so glad you enjoyed the thread……more of a saga I think…..I have been working on Granby III for seven years now!

I am guessing this is the shot you are referring to?



I am pretty sure they were part of the Bachmann  "Coal Traders" series that they released at least 10 years ago. I have weathered them and added coal

Although they are no longer available Bachmann, Hornby and Dapol all currently run 7 plank coal wagons………..the trick is to find them with a location or colliery that suits your layout…………..have you decided on Lancashire/Cheshire as the locale or is it just the wagons that appeal?


Regards from Vancouver
 

Hi john

Those are the ones. I haven't decided on an era as such as my knowledge of trains is non existent.  I have the hornby flying Scotsman set and want to base my layout around that with a countryside theme and possibly some rolling stock similar to yours that will potentially be taking coal from a mine etc.  

Still all up in the air. Any ideas?

Going to post a new proposed layout in a moment but I have a lot to sort out prior to starting putting the layout together.  Going to be a long journey :)

Hi John

Just caught up on your activities since December. Wow! you have been busy and what a great job you've made of the engine shed. I bet you must have wanted to kick something when the disaster happened and the dog obviously had the good sense to get out of the way quickly.

We sometimes need to be practically reminded of the old saying "more haste less speed".

As someone has alreday said a bit of clutter around will finish it off nicely :thumbs

[user=1660]Colin_A_Jones[/user] wrote:

Hi john

Those are the ones. I haven't decided on an era as such as my knowledge of trains is non existent.  I have the hornby flying Scotsman set and want to base my layout around that with a countryside theme and possibly some rolling stock similar to yours that will potentially be taking coal from a mine etc.  

Still all up in the air. Any ideas?

Going to post a new proposed layout in a moment but I have a lot to sort out prior to starting putting the layout together.  Going to be a long journey :)

Hi Colin

I have been following your thread…..you have received a lot of very sound advice…..I will try and add my two pennies worth shortly



pnwood wrote:

Hi John

Just caught up on your activities since December. Wow! you have been  busy and what a great job you've made of the engine shed. I bet you must  have wanted to kick something when the disaster happened and the dog  obviously had the good sense to get out of the way quickly.

We sometimes need to be practically reminded of the old saying "more haste less speed".

As someone has alreday said a bit of clutter around will finish it off nicely :thumbs

Thanks Nick…….its taken far too long……..good job I dont have exhibition dead lines like you!


Its funny you guys keep encouraging me to add clutter and my wife says the exact opposite:lol:



Best Wishes

:)Ah clutter John.

A woman treats her shoe,makeup and clothing collections as femine essentials.:shock:

A man settlling into an armchair with his railway mag is deemed as clutter :).

Still you have got to love them :):).

Regarding the MPD in 1947 it would still be fairly tidy. LMS habits had not died.

Now if it was 1967 with steam being scrapped and loco,s looking like rust bucket,s.

Well that would be a different story:sad:.

regards,

Derek.

Derek…..You make a good point about the level of clutter/dirt…….I think its one of those areas where you have to "suggest" the effect rather than replicate it exactly……….although having just received a weathered Dukedog I am very aware that my locos are far too clean…….another job to add to the list.

Finally the LMS shed is done…………. detailed, cluttered and populated from the people painting factory!





Here are the side buildings with chimneys for the office and boiler house.





Guttering, drain pipes,stand pipe and a fire point

plus I have just noticed a door off its hinges…………..additional unplanned weathering?




One of my attempts at a time stamp…….remains of the air raid siren on the roof

The "conduit" from the alarm to the bell hides the join from the side building to the Metcalfe Shed





Ladder to the catwalk, another fire point and a couple of labourers.

I am afraid Code 100 is rather obvious in shots like this.


Not sure of the correct description of the area in front of the shed….yard, apron, forecourt?

Anyway heres a birds eye view:





Davy Jones was last seen on top of a wine cork!


The yard lamp is actually Dart Castings GWR but I think its sufficiently different from the Mikes Models GWR lamps I have used elsewhere.




I know this is an LMS thread but a couple of Panniers got squeezed in just to keep Dave (G'daysydney) happy.


I used an old Hornby Celestory coach as a Mess Hut and Latrine




As a supplies store there is an old Parkside CCT van:





Not sure about the veracity of the Loco Lamp store on the end ……I have seen something similar on a couple of other layouts and I rather liked the idea.


On the other end there is a fire iron rack……and this I have seen full size at Didcot:




So thats it……..done!

Next job is the far side of the shed between the TT and the coaling road.




I have never been really happy with this area. I need to find a more plausible location for the Sandhouse and then I need to build a GWR Yard Office and Mess




So I intend to "concrete" this area and relocate the Water Crane……Taking a leaf from Derek and Ron's book I am then going to take an axe to part of the embankment and replace it with a Scalescene wall

So thats the plan……..and then the construction part of the shed project will be completed………on the other hand, as far as RR&Co is concerned there is still a load of work to be done to get it fully automated.:roll:

Hi John,

The engine shed looks great back in its setting. Nice job hiding the joins between the the two models. As for the 'clutter', excellent. Pity you are going to get the axe out on the coaling stage ramp, I really like this area. I suppose you would call it 'progress'…

Although I can only imagine how big the axe would have to be, if you were to model the green diesel era…

Cheers, Gary.

I always enjoy your updates John and the pictures are so full of little details I can study them for ages.

Pity about the accident but glad you managed to repair the damage and those catwalks are superb.

Great work as usual.:cheers

:)Lovely Job John.

The LMS shed with all those additions really turned out well.

Your new workmen were well worth the hours painting and altering to suit the scene.

Retaining walls on the wagon parking area of the ramp would give you more space. Thats a nice GWR coal hole by the way.

Not sure what to say about the sand house location.Loco Firemen had the job of looking after the sand boxes on the loco,s.

In those days carrying some buckets of dried sand a bit of a distance would not be deemed a Health & Safety issue.

They may have to cover the buckets or even a wheel barrow in wet weather.

My thinking is that while a sand wagon would supply the drying shed. Loco,s would not be queing up at the shed to get the sand.?

MPD yard John. Stations would have a forecourt. I think apron would be more an airport term?

Thank God your railway is Steam era before the advent of mechanical boxes on wheels:pedal

Cheers,

Derek.

[user=878]Gary[/user] wrote:

Hi John,

  Pity you are going to get the axe out on the coaling stage ramp, I really like this area. I suppose you would call it 'progress'…

You can relax Gary…..Its not quite as drastic as that  :shock:…….. its just the triangle between the yard  and the coaling station that will be " concreted" and part of the embankment replaced with a retaining wall

Thank you for the nice comments about the LMS shed……………..I know you have followed this from the start in November:roll: so I am glad you like it

Chinahand wrote:

I always enjoy your updates John and the pictures are so full of little details I can study them for ages.

Pity about the accident but glad you managed to repair the damage and those catwalks are superb.

Great work as usual.:cheers

When I think about the exquisite work you do on Much Havering……that is praise indeed….Thank you Trevor:thumbs

[user=477]shunter1[/user] wrote:

:)Lovely Job John.

The LMS shed with all those additions really turned out well.

Thanks Derek…….as my resident LNWR expert you have been a splendid source of advice and encouragement……much appreciated

Your new workmen were well worth the hours painting and altering to suit the scene.

Retaining walls on the wagon parking area of the ramp would give you more space.

You are absolutely right…….a lot of the entry procedures are automated with built in delays for Ash Disposal and Coal………the Turntable routines still require a lot of testing and tweaking and the blocks immediately in front have a series of constraints to prevent points being fouled etc so the headshunt is the logical place to place a loco just to test the TT set up but it is far too narrow for my fat fingers!


 Thats a nice GWR coal hole by the way.

Its based on the one at Didcot….I built it almost 10 years ago for Granby II…….of course Scalsenes now make a great kit:roll:



Not sure what to say about the sand house location.Loco Firemen had the job of looking after the sand boxes on the loco,s.

In those days carrying some buckets of dried sand a bit of a distance would not be deemed a Health & Safety issue.

They may have to cover the buckets or even a wheel barrow in wet weather.

My thinking is that while a sand wagon would supply the drying shed. Loco,s would not be queing up at the shed to get the sand.?

Yes thats my understanding of the process….I even have a wheelbarrow and some sand shovels (?) ready…….my dilemma was how the sand wagon got to the drying shed……at one stage I had it over in the LMS area served by the carriage sidings but that didnt look right……….now the legend is the wagon arrives on the entry road at night when there is no loco activity:roll:


MPD yard John. Stations would have a forecourt. I think apron would be more an airport term?

Yard it shall be :lol:

Thank God your railway is Steam era before the advent of mechanical boxes on wheels:pedal

Cheers,

Derek.

:)Its possible John, Regarding the sand issue, That the sand was dumped into a store shed.

Then as needed workers would wheelbarrow the sand to the drying shed.

Muscle power was big in those days. Long handle shovels for the ash pit workers, Emptying the pits of ash into wagons.

Anyway that may answer your sand wagon problem, A visit by a couple of wagons every fortnight should keep the stores in stock.:).

Cheers,

Derek.

Just bringing myself up to date with Granby John and what wonderful stuff it is. :thumbs:thumbs

The detail around the sheds is brilliant and you're so clever using tricks like the conduit to the bell to hide the join.  Whoever would even have thought about the bell, let alone the conduit ?  The "little people" are busy as bees either polishing locos, pushing barrows - or even leaning on the wall having a crafty fag …………….  There's so much to see and each time, I see a little something I missed first time around.

The catwalk is excellent.  Again, not many modellers would wonder how they were going to clean the skylights although we all know they were there on the 12 inch to the foot version.  Fiddly in the extreme I'd imagine.

I'm looking forward to the next development although, as others have commented, it will be a shame to see some of that bank disappear - I do like it. :cheers