GWR/LMS OO Gauge DCC RR&Co

G'day John,

That shed has come a long way and what a shed it is, fantastic ! Superb craftsmanship with a great bit of kit bashing. :thumbs

Cheers, Gary.

To add to the other member,s comments.
I love your MPD work the roundhouse and other buildings and equipment really look the business.
An ex LNWR shed being added I am also looking forward to.
The GWR and LNWR shared a lot of territory.

regards,

Derek.

Thanks Gary and Derek……glad you like it :thumbs

[user=477]shunter1[/user] wrote:

To add to the other member,s comments.
I love your MPD work the roundhouse and other buildings and equipment really look the business.
An ex LNWR shed being added I am also looking forward to.
The GWR and LNWR shared a lot of territory.

regards,

Derek.

Glad to see you call it an MPD:lol:………..I wonder when the change came to TMD…..and why?

I dont want to raise your hopes too much with the ex LNWR shed……..its a much battered two road Metcalfe shed from the old layout. I am hoping to refurbish it by re tiling the roof and adding some man walk detail along some ancillary buildings plus guttering and doors

Any ideas on paint colours? Based on what I have read I dont think that the LMS would have repainted it…..certainly not in LMS maroon…..so the paint will be 30+ years old maybe touched up here and there. My plan right now is to do the doors in a very faded (and grimy) reddish brown and the guttering in grey/black (I believe the LNWR bought a load of surplus navy paint at end of WWI !) but any other suggestions would be much appreciated.

You are right about the shared territory….Birkenhead-Chester was a joint line…..GWR locos and LMS stock one week and then reversed…….I havent quite got round to doing that yet

The Mollington St MPD at Birkenhead had separate sheds for the GWR and LMS and that was were I got the idea from…..they even had separate coaling stages until BR days…..I used modellers licence to ignore that……but at least I have an ex LNWR water crane……perhaps a little too pristine in its ex naval paint:lol:

Show's you how much i know or not as the case may be,i thought MPD was steam and TMD  was diesel or electric.:oops:

I have an idea about the shed John, why not "remanufacture"?  It'll give you a chance to quasi scratchbuild while perhaps re using some of the parts from the old structure.

I did this with some Metcalfe terraced houses, reproducing the footprint and face of the building.

Something like this:




This is the original Metcalfe kit.  A nice enough looking structure.  However, I've found card buildings tend to get knocked about.  I produced this:




The shell is 0.040" Evergreen sheet, walls are Slaters (pick your finish) embossed plastic.  I made some of the details from plastic strip.  Roof would be Wills sheets.  Windows were Brassmasters or possibly Wills or Ratio - I forget.

You can see another build in the background - this would be based on the Wills Craftsman house kit.

One problem I have when making a building is knowing the dimensions and how it should look.  Using the Metcalfe (or other kits) as a guide, eliminates that problem.

Anyway, just a thought.


I went back and reviewed the thread - very impressive roundhouse - you're obviously no stranger to scratch building.  I'm very fond of Mike's stuff too.  My suggestion might be presumptuous.


John

 

 

[user=565]Brossard[/user] wrote:

I have an idea about the shed John, why not "remanufacture"?  It'll give you a chance to quasi scratchbuild while perhaps re using some of the parts from the old structure.

  My suggestion might be presumptuous.

John

 

Not at all presumptuos John and thank you for making it :thumbs…….I didnt explain the plan very well….thats more or less what I hope to do but using Scalescene tiles to match the adjacent Wheeldrop workshop…….mind you I will be thrilled if they come out as well as your Metcalfe conversion…..they look brilliant…..I am guessing you used teeny pieces of microstrip for the downpipe mounts……looks really good

Kind Regards

[user=1033]spurno[/user] wrote:

Show's you how much i know or not as the case may be,i thought MPD was steam and TMD  was diesel or electric.:oops:

That makes sense Alan…….the steam sheds (MPDs) had diesel facilities added and when steam disappeared so did the MPDs and thus the original steam sheds became TMDs……wow I feel better for that:lol:

Kind Regards

Whew! 

I've been experimenting with downspouts and gutters - I think you are right.  The difficult thing is sticking on the downspouts after the wall has been painted and without making a mess of the paint.  I have developed what I think is a simple way to do it:

http://bmrcm.org/downspouts-for-buildings and http://bmrcm.org/make-simple-gutters

John

:)Hello John,

Here is a link to paint schemes for the LMS which includes the old pre grouping company buildings.

Some nice pictures and paint recommendations.

Hope this helps.

Derek.

http://www.stationcolours.info/index.php?p=1_2_LMS

A very useful website Derek. :doublethumb

John

Hi John

It's good to have you back around and see some more news on Granby. We always miss it when you go on your annual travels.

I'm always in awe of the sheer scale (no pun intended) of the buildings you produce with Scalescenes. The MPD area is superb with all the correct facilities and balances the station area perfectly.

Keep it coming

:thumbs 

John……thanks for the link to your Blog about downspouts etc…..filed away for use shortly

Derek….thank you for the paint link…..I have seen it before but lost the address…..very useful…. Reddish Brown sounds ok then?

Nick……thanks for the kind words and the welcome back! Its a little chastening to realise that I started the MPD project last year when I returned from my 2012 "travels" and it is still not finished    Good job I dont have any exhibition dead lines…….in truth as the layout grows I have more opportunities to work on the computor operation……the last couple of weeks have been spent making sure the Turntable goes where it is supposed to……not as easy as it may sound…..in consequence construction kind of falters

Regards from a very foggy Vancouver…….we are currently enjoying an inversion where on the water it is 10o and literally zero visibilty……we live about 800' up……clear blue skies and 20o :lol:

[user=434]John Dew[/user] wrote:

……………………………………Its a little chastening to realise that I started the MPD project last year when I returned from my 2012 "travels" and it is still not finished  ………………………………………….

………………………we are currently enjoying an inversion where on the water it is 10o and literally zero visibilty……we live about 800' up……clear blue skies and 20o :lol:

You should worry John - I have no idea when I actually drove the first spike for Maxmill but it's early history was lost when YMR Mk 2 disappeared into the ether sometime in 2007, never to be seen again. 

Having seen the results of my 7 years "hard labour" yourself, you'll realise there's absolutely no need for you to feel the least bit chastened.  In fact, you need to slow down a little !!!!

I'll bet that low level fog looks good from 800ft.  We often get early morning mists in the hollows with the trees popping up through it.  The effect is truly stunning.  We're currently damp and mid 20's C

Hi John,

That may have been me that started the TMD thing off. I'm sure I seen a reference to a Traction Maintenance Depot. Mmmmmm Hope I got that right. as the term is littered through my whole thread.

Never mind for the purposes of Rosebuddy, it's now a TMD. If the term isn't widely used or in fact doesn't exist, I'll need to make a point of trying to get it written in to the official railway " term " dictionary in order to save face for my thread.

Could be my claim to fame.

Toto

I have always wondered about the ratio between the number of locos assigned to a shed and the sheds actual capacity…….My GWR shed can accommodate, at any one time, a maximum of 20 locos (proto-typically that is pretty small) . Assuming that half the listed locos would be out earning their keep, I am thinking that +-  30 locos would be assigned to the shed.

This is sheer guesswork……..has anyone any ideas?

What has become apparent to me during this project is the astonishing number of people (actually men other than WWII) who would have been on the payroll of a 30 loco shed operating round the clock. I am guessing (again) that 30 locos would need 70-90 engine crew……now add cleaners, ash pit crew, coaling crew, maintenance engineers and admin staff  (I would guess a typewriter would be the height of technology) and I think a small shed like this would employ upwards of 250 people

One can only imagine the impact on the local town as these sheds were progressively closed down

So I felt it was important that my static shed scenes attempted to reflect this level of activity and employment . Hopefully I have been able to suggest that in the following shots




No doors on the Sheds yet……Novembers project

I rather wish I had doors on the Metcalfe shed on the left when his shot was taken!………You will see more of  the gymnastics of the LMS 4F as this post continues………. (Dont ask…… I only noticed it on preview and its already been on a couple of other fora without comment)




Below David Jones, Passed Cleaner,polishes  the tender of  "Kinlet Hall"  ready for the next top link Granby-Paddington trip.


On a more mundane level the maintenance crew are jacking up a pannier ready for the wheel drop








Trevor Jenkins, Shop Foreman, isn't too impressed with Fitter Ivor Williams work rate at the top of the wheel drop




 





To finish another Black and White Shot



You may be wondering about the purpose of the large piece of metal near the two LMS tenders…….I certainly was……then the penny dropped……its a scrap metal weight holding a piece of concrete (cardboard) while the glue dries!

looking very good and as you say, a large amount of activity would have been taking place all the time in a shed this size.
Good to see staff hard at work.

Lovely work and great pictures John. The number of people and the level of activity add so much to the realism of a layout and you've certainly brought the loco shed area to life.

John, the engine shed area is brilliant, so much to take in, so much activity going on with cleaning etc. Well done indeed.

1st class John

So much detail and activity. The Gantry hoist is my favourite. The weathering is spot on.

If I can achieve half as good I'll be delighted. I take it the approach roads into the sheds are concrete. How did you build that ?

I look forward to seeing more.

Cheers

Toto

Great scene John.You know you've got it right when you have to do a double take to make sure it's not the real thing.