GWR/LMS OO Gauge DCC RR&Co

Thanks Phil……….you are probably correct……..I will add some once they are set up on site

Best Wishes

John

I do apologise for the alternating typeface and font colour on this post. Like others I post on more than one forum, apart from a few minor alterations the content is identical. So I post the photos into the gallery then cut and paste from the original forum and substitute the photos. Normally I write my draft on YMR but on a couple of occasions recently I have started on RMWeb where the photo procedure is different using attached files. ……When I paste into YMR the attached JPEG files are in bold blue……..when I delete them and insert photos from the gallery, the copy below is often, but not always :roll: converted to bold blue…….no matter what I do I am unable to convert the copy back to Verdana Black 2………could Alan or a moderator advise me how to avoid this please?

I know one answer is to post on here first but its not always convenient because of the time difference and traffic levels.





The dairy is now completed. The buildings in position, the yard paved, grass laid and assorted detailing added.



By way of an introduction here is an overall view of the railway room





To the left are glimpses of the main station building and Newyd Engine shed. On the right are the storage sheds and the viaduct leading to Granby. On the lower level is the Cynwyd branch which serves the dairy……the chimney of which can just be seen beyond the viaduct. Here is the empty site in February




Aerial view of the canal and dairy buildings





 The yard is paved with Wills granite setts………they are more difficult to handle and lay but so much more realistic than printed setts. Some Montys models workers and a coal pile added alongside the boilerhouse. There is a concrete infill and drainage for the steamwash but it is barely visible. Here is a reminder of how narrow and awkward the site was




The buildings make it look even narrower!





Its probably a bit too crowded ……but it does fit into the cramped Victorian industrial look that I have created around the canal. The GWR have re asserted their ownership of the surrounding land with boundary fencing, siding gates and legal notices I have previously spent a lot of time discussing how the the processed milk got shipped to the bottling plant in Birkenhead……..two 3,000 gallon tankers daily. A not untypical output for a branch creamery like this…….an out put of 6000 gallons requires a matching input or actually something in excess of that because of wastage and the assorted by products……….I have guessed (and it is a sheer guess) at 10% more…..6,600 gallons…….thats a lot of 10 gallon churns each day! Some will arrive by rail


This  venerable Siphon C will trundle around the branch once a day collecting  churns from the local stations, halts and even lineside loading  platforms. The siphons were built with slatted sides to provide  rudimentary ventilation. This version was built in 1906 and continued to  operate for the next 45 years


I still havent worked out the capacity of the Siphon……I am guessing about 100 churns……1000 gallons


Churns also came in by road





Bedford drop side lorries were quite typical. There is a splendid photo of the dairy at Seaton showing row after row of these vehicles…….initially I couldnt understand why there were so many…..it was only after doing the input calculations that the penny dropped……a single lorries capacity would be about 30 churns…..300 gallons Unfortunately there are no suitable RTR models available. I hit on the happy compromise of using Oxford Models Royal Navy Bedford……..I deliberately painted out the RN rather crudely….what could be more realistic in 1947 than the dairy owner a canny Scot from Yorkshire buying some Admiralty surplus from Birkenhead? I couldnt come up with quite such a convincing legend for the Leeds Corporation Scammel you can see in this shot……so I stuck a mechanic in front of the logo! If you have been doing any mental arithmetic you will know I am a long way short of my daily input target! Problem solved……..


By  1947 more and more road tankers were being used to collect milk from  the farms and delivering the unprocessed milk to local creameries


Well thats it…….I hope you have enjoyed my ramblings about Milk Distribution immediately after WWII











Next time something completely different albeit with a faint milk connection!


Regards to all from Vancouver

John,

What a beautiful mish mash of just about everything, too much to take in and, I'm sure, as much as the pictures show they don't do the layout itself justice.

That Dairy looks like it belongs there and has done for many many years.

Excellent modelling;-)

Phil

John, I even tried to edit it - no luck. I even copied it to Word & that allowed me to remove the bold blue underline but then copying that back - still no luck.

[user=753]Phil.c[/user] wrote:

John,

What a beautiful mish mash of just about everything, too much to take in and, I'm sure, as much as the pictures show they don't do the layout itself justice.

That Dairy looks like it belongs there and has done for many many years.

Excellent modelling;-)

Phil

It is always pleasant to receive compliments from forum members but when the nice comments are from the guy who built Pen y Bryn  then its very very satisfying:Happy:Happy………thank you so much…….made my day!

[user=606]Sol[/user] wrote:

John, I even tried to edit it - no luck. I even copied it to Word & that allowed me to remove the bold blue underline but then copying that back - still no luck.

Thanks Ron……..I thought for a moment I had written in invisible ink:hmm


I appreciate you taking the trouble to reply. I guess I will just have to remember to post here first:roll:

Kind Regards

John

Hi John

All the blue text links back to RMWeb, very odd.

Doesn't appear to be an option to 'paste special' and select text only, so the link is getting copied as well.

Anyway dairy looks great and you've certainly have captured that "cramped Victorian Industrial look"  :thumbs



Ed

Hi Ed

When I do the initial copy and paste the JPEG files that I have attached to my RMWeb post come across in blue…….all the copy comes across ok…………on YMR I delete the files and insert the photos I have previously loaded into the gallery…..often I then make minor alterations to the copy…….everything is normal……no blue anywhere…… until I post the reply. Of course I go back in and try and edit but to no avail……its very frustrating :twisted:

I guess I will have to post here first.

Anyway I am glad you like the dairy…..I must confess, all modesty aside, it turned out rather better than I expected:lol: and all in all it was a very enjoyable project

Best wishes from Vancouver

Red, white or blue typeface simply can't distract from your truly splendid artwork installation John  .  .  .  .  oh, as well as a most convincing working dairy of course!

Onwards and upwards,

Bill :thumbs

Thanks Bill:thumbs

You like the Lowrys then? Sadly they are only prints though one is signed

:cheers

Absolutely John, industrial environments translate often into excellent artwork, which is where you and LS show talent in common, except he seemed to favour the LNER, but then no ones perfect!

http://www.thelowry.com/ls-lowry/microsite/art/industrial-scenes/level-crossing/

:cheers

Bill

[user=1814]Longchap[/user] wrote:

Absolutely John, industrial environments translate often into excellent artwork, which is where you and LS show talent in common, except he seemed to favour the LNER, but then no ones perfect!

http://www.thelowry.com/ls-lowry/microsite/art/industrial-scenes/level-crossing/

:cheers

Bill

Hi Bill

I think you are stretching thinks more than a bit comparing me with Lowry :roll:………but thank you all the same:lol:

As it happens I have that print of the LNER tank…..its hung over the engine sheds. I will try and include it next time I shoot


:cheers


John

[user=434]John Dew[/user] wrote:

I still havent worked out the capacity of the Siphon……I am guessing about 100 churns……1000 gallons


Churns also came in by road

Hi John,

A siphon C could hold 120 17 gallon churns (double layer of 60 churns per layer). Over 2000 gallons. Or 2 layers of 138 10 gallon churns (total of 276). Over 2700 gallons. Maximum load would be around 120 17 gallon churns (17 gallons  x 10 lbs x 120 churns = 20400 lbs, just over 9 tons, and 12.76 tons for 10 gallon churns, which would be over the 10 ton weight limit). All those churns weighed a lot empty (and that's from memory, probably around 50  lbs each). Siphon C's were withdrawn after WWII.

Nigel

Thanks Nigel

I think the 17 gallon churn were mostly withdrawn by my period……even so there is rather more capacity than I thought so Mr McPeter will not have to worry about input:lol:

Siphon Cs ran until 1952 according Wiki so I am safe there as well!

Cheers

John

Hi John,

As bloaters. So unless you have a wholesale fishmonger handy…

Nigel

[user=1632]BCDR[/user] wrote:

Hi John,

As bloaters. So unless you have a wholesale fishmonger handy…

Nigel

Fortunately Granby Operating Division were notorious for their slow response to directives from Swindon:roll:. So I am sure that, in 1948, Mr McPeter did receive some of his Milk supply by the Cynwyd Branch Siphon C :lol::lol:

:cheers       John

Hi John,

And here I was hoping to see a Macflounder fishmonger. Or at least a chippie.

The other use Siphons were put to was seasonal veggies/flowers from the West Country and fruit from the Vale of Evesham, as they needed to be kept cool on their way to market. Not sure if they ever got used for beer like some of the cattle wagons did.

If Granby Operating Division managed to keep their hands on a Siphon C can we expect to see some 4-wheeled passenger stock in Lake Red or WW1 brown trundling around? (and which prototypically lurked around in the wilder reaches of Wales until the late 1940's. Nationalization finally did them in).

A very credible creamery though. Plenty of these occupied small triangular sites next to or close to stations (through and termini) or engine sheds.

Nigel

[user=1632]BCDR[/user] wrote:

Hi John,

And here I was hoping to see a Macflounder fishmonger. Or at least a chippie.

Thanks for the kind comments Nigel……..Funnily enough I was thinking of playing with the Macfisheries theme. Scalescenes do quite a nice chippie so one may appear eventually

If Granby Operating Division managed to keep their hands on a Siphon C can we expect to see some 4-wheeled passenger stock in Lake Red or WW1 brown trundling around? (and which prototypically lurked around in the wilder reaches of Wales until the late 1940's. Nationalization finally did them in).  

I have got a rake of 4 Ratio 4 wheelers painted Brown:roll:…….just not quite finished and not quite good enough:sad:  Its one of those 15 year projects I should really address:oops:

Cheers

John

In my last update I promised something new but retaining some connection with Milk.

This is a shot of the daily Milk train running from Shrewsbury to Birkenhead…….approaching Granby where it will pick up two more tankers from the Cynwyd creamery. It was previously in Black and White but this version has been cropped a bit and represents my first attempt at Sepia tones




When I first posted the shot I muttered about the absence of suitable Ready to run GWR Brake Vans. In this train I was using a Ratio 4 Wheel Coach modified with Shirescene sides




But it just doesnt seem right all those 6 wheel tankers.

What I really needed was this:



This splendid coach (or van) was built by an internet friend on RMWeb using Comet parts. Rather than building the entire kit from scratch  (far beyond my skill level :roll:) he suggested I build a slightly different version which would enable me to apply Comet brass sides to a suitable (surplus) donor coach…..an ex airfix/dapol/hornby BSet being perfect…………great idea but on reflection still beyond my skill level. The problem I find is that the standard of RTR coaches is so good now that any of my home made affairs tend to look very amateurish in comparison. The four wheeler above being a case in point.:oops:

So I reconciled myself to having to make do with the four wheeler until Hornby released a Brake Van to go with their Collet Bow Ended range.

Then another internet friend flew to my rescue (joke ….his nom de plume is Mallard). If I supplied the parts and the donor coach he would do the heavy lifting …..all the plastic surgery and then grafting the brass sides on :lol:…..leaving me to do the fiddly bits and the painting:roll:.

Little details like he lives in Nottingham UK and I live in Vancouver where swiftly swept aside courtesy of Canada Post, the Royal Mail and Andrew at Wizard Models (now owners of Comet). The brass sides and assorted detail packs were mailed direct from Comet to Nottingham to await the arrival of the donor coach..


Last seen on Granby before acquiring an award for the most air miles ever achieved by an 00 coach

Hong Kong-North Wales (Dapol) North Wales-Liverpool (Hattons) Liverpool-Vancouver Vancouver-Nottingham……and return

I know there was probably an easier solution…..but it was surplus!
 


Safely arrived in Nottingham….the plastic surgery has started




Brass coach sides offered up and (I am told) were almost a perfect match…..very litte fettling




Bolecticons (Window frames) soldered in place




Hinges ……all 42 of them…..individually soldered in place




Abracadabra and here she is back home in sunny Vancouver




Phil (Mr Duck/Mallard) has done a brillant job……….the next few posts will track whether I am capable of turning his cygnet into a swan…..time will tell

Cheers from a very sunny Vancouver

Hi John,

What a great place railway for a can be, populated by some generous modellers . . . and what a lovely project, which will be a great addition to your coaching stock. Good luck with final fitting up, painting and detailing. Just take your time, then sit back and enjoy the milk run!

Bill


07/06/16 Edit: 'for a' above should read fora or even forums could do!!! Sorry for being a bit of a wasted space!