Peco Electrofrog L/ H point
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Kevin, exactly where does it stop? As I asked in Post 31 & 33 !And going out of one of the sidings is a diversion, not converging.
and there are plenty of posts about adapting turnouts both in this forum & on the Net - just have to spend time searching…
Ron
NCE DCC ; 00 scale UK outline.
NCE DCC ; 00 scale UK outline.
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Matt
Wasnie me, a big boy did it and ran away
"Why did you volunteer ? I didn't Sir, the other three stepped backwards"
"Why did you volunteer ? I didn't Sir, the other three stepped backwards"
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Staying on the thread Kevin.
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I still think you may have a faulty slide switch. Most are rated at 300mA or less.
I was struck by your comment about wiring the bus through the switch. Or more correctly the other way round? Convention is to wire the two rails and the frog to a 3 pin switch (2 in, 1 out). That way you do not have to mess around with the bus when working on the turnouts. Sounds like a YouTube do it my way. In which case even if the switch is working you have no idea whether power is getting through. I know you are using WIT and the switch lever as the mechanism, separating the frog circuit from the turnout rails could be asking for trouble.
If you don't want to mess around trouble shooting (and you really do need a multimeter), get a new turnout, and follow the scheme outlined in a previous post - test as is, test modified for DCC, test installed.
Good luck with the tests. I can sympathise - just been through a week of in hospital testing, blood every 2 hours (out not in), every scan known to man. No food. Lost some weight through.
Nigel
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Staying on the thread Kevin.
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Hi Kevin,
I still think you may have a faulty slide switch. Most are rated at 300mA or less.
I was struck by your comment about wiring the bus through the switch. Or more correctly the other way round? Convention is to wire the two rails and the frog to a 3 pin switch (2 in, 1 out). That way you do not have to mess around with the bus when working on the turnouts. Sounds like a YouTube do it my way. In which case even if the switch is working you have no idea whether power is getting through. I know you are using WIT and the switch lever as the mechanism, separating the frog circuit from the turnout rails could be asking for trouble.
Nigel
I've done it the same way as Kevin, Nigel.
You have to remember with WIT the switch can be some considerable distance from the point, so it's often the case that the bus is nearer the switch and requires shorter lengths of wire.
Ed
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Staying on the thread Kevin.
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Staying on the thread Kevin.
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The power is coming from the frog and appropriate stock rail
If it's not the switch (quite agree, unlikely to be two duff switches) then it;s got to be the stock rail.
Put something (coin, screwdriver, bit of rail) across the rails. Does the Powercab indicate a short?
It should do if there is power to that bit of the point.
Ed
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Your Comment "the method that I am using was a tip from a deceased member, with a slight modification. The actual method was to “ solder two wires on both sides, at the point , and run one of each to the switch and the other one to the bus."
So you solder two wires but run 3 ?
Don't you mean two wires from the stock rails to switch & the middle switch tag is wired to FROG ?
Ron
NCE DCC ; 00 scale UK outline.
NCE DCC ; 00 scale UK outline.
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Staying on the thread Kevin.
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So it stops on the frog, not 'the point' :thudThe Loco stops on the frog ðŸ¸.So it obviously is the frog or the frog 🸠wiring, and that again would be down to me.
Only taken 51 posts :shock:
Ed
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It's a turnout or switch, not a point.
The points are rails.
Max
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Port Elderley
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Wasnie me, a big boy did it and ran away
"Why did you volunteer ? I didn't Sir, the other three stepped backwards"
"Why did you volunteer ? I didn't Sir, the other three stepped backwards"
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Not if you live in UK Max ………………………we like to be different !!!Vindication for the pedants!
It's a turnout or switch, not a point.
The points are rails.
Turnout ? - possibly, sometimes - switch ? - no, those turn electric lights on and off (except in France where an "interupter" does that), or, in some cases, it means to "swap" or "exchange".
Point ? - either to indicate something with your "pointing" finger, the sharp end of something or a railway switch or turnout ………………………………….. :doublethumb
'Petermac
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Look, we invented the railways, they're points, okay :tongue :tongue :tongueVindication for the pedants!
It's a turnout or switch, not a point.
The points are rails.
Ed
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If you look on the Peco box, it says "Turnout."
In the US, they will accept "switch."
In the vernacular, drivers have referred to it as, " going through the points" - that is to say traversing the point rails.
Over time, many have colloquially adopted this misnomer and it sadly has become part of the zeitgeist.
Hence the exemplar as described by Sol, above.
A similar phenomenon has taken place concerning the word "sleepers." Originally, sleepers were rails laid below the ties (which keep the rails in gauge), but as iron rails came into common use, the need for sleeper rails disappeared and the ties were dubbed with the misnomer, "sleepers."
Interestingly in the US (where often criticisms of spelling and nomenclature abound), the word "ties" has survived against all odds.
Now, where's me tin 'at and flak jacket?
Cheers
Max
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Peco, supplying their "points" throughout the world, have had to accept that those same "foreigners" are not as well educated as we Brits so don't know the correct terminology ……………………
I'm not one to want to confuse "foreigners" so I'll refer to them as turnouts or switches (whichever you prefer) when speaking to said "foreigners but, in Yorkshire jargon, they'll remain points ………………… :cheers :cheers :cheers
Now - what di you say about tin hats ? ………………. :pedal
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:thumbs :thumbs :thumbsAs Ed says Max, we invented the darned things - we've just allowed "foreigners" to borrow them so they can get about.
Peco, supplying their "points" throughout the world, have had to accept that those same "foreigners" are not as well educated as we Brits so don't know the correct terminology ……………………
I'm not one to want to confuse "foreigners" so I'll refer to them as turnouts or switches (whichever you prefer) when speaking to said "foreigners but, in Yorkshire jargon, they'll remain points ………………… :cheers :cheers :cheers
Now - what di you say about tin hats ? ………………. :pedal
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Wasnie me, a big boy did it and ran away
"Why did you volunteer ? I didn't Sir, the other three stepped backwards"
"Why did you volunteer ? I didn't Sir, the other three stepped backwards"
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