draft for development

Hi chaps,


I am reasonably happy that the shed woes are over. I will be taking more in depth surveys of the shed as I strip out the baseboards. I will take the opportunity to rip up the carpet ……. and leave it up for future monitoring. I may install loose carpet tiles at a later date.


Derek. I think I can forget about particular incline woes, to be replaced by a fiddle yard or cassette storage. there is a radically new track plan which will be posted on my return home tonight. ……… and I mean radical.


I'll catch up later and all shall be revealed ……… very exciting indeed …….. I'll see if the consensus agree's later.
cheers


Toto

I look forward to watching this progress, plenty of photos along the way, I like the idea of a simpler track plan.

latest update on the track plan, still a bit to go yet but this gives the overall feel for what will make up the basis of the new layout. Full credit to Gary for his help with the scheme. more to come later.



As usual, any comments, questions, whatever post away,


cheers


toto

At the bottom centre Toto is that a double slip? If you fit one there you can shove a short freight out of the way whilst a passenger overtakes. It's a thought.

If it's a main line, you probably wouldn't have a double slip.  A single slip is OK as long as the switched route trails.  Of course I'm probably taking this too seriously.  Another thing to bear in mind is that Peco slips have 24" rad. which is kind of tight.

John

Hi Derek, John,

It is a double slip. The reason that I put it in there with what looks like a run around was to facilitate trains coming out of the fiddle yard and entering either the up or down line. Does that make sense ?

I am working on building in some inglenook type sidings to support some industries. However these can and will probably change as the layout and industry types are developed. All idea's welcome. I am reserving one for my scrapyard ……… I can't let that go I'm afraid.

A tar, oil, bitumen products was suggested. That's possible. What makes things a bit difficult is the main lines follow the perimeter of the baseboards so it would have to be low relief to an extent. There is not much room in the middle for large structures.

A further update with some track amendments will be posted later.

Cheers for now.

Toto

The latest update on the track plan. These sidings were inserted for no other reason but to populate the layout with potential industry sidings to try to get some idea's going as to where and what I could maybe do. They could be left, moved or deleted all together. I have had to insert cross overs between the up line and down line to enable stock to be fed into the middle of the layout from both up and down lines. Again, these can be moved to suit as the plan develops.







Again, any further idea's, comments or issues, please feel free to post and discuss. whether track related, potential industries or whatever.
cheers for now,


toto

Now this is a dumb question……..but why cant you start with a double oval around the perimeter of the shed and then work inwards from there with a branch or sidings……..those curves look awful tight…………my initial post on this thread suggested KISS should be a guiding principle……I am still of that view;-)

Cheers

 G`day Toto,
  From your plan it looks like you are wanting to leave access to the room open. In other words no track across the doorway????
  Will some of the curves be covered by scenery, because they look like they are around 2 foot radius and possibly a little tight. No problem if they are covered, but a larger radius looks better if they are not to be covered.
  :cheers  Gormo

 Back again,

 Toto…I have just had a quick look on the net and found these two schemes that would approx. fit your shed. They are American and single track with an industrial feel that could be adapted to British I reckon.

 Both have quite good operating potential and the second one ,cleverly, has a removable cassette in the doorway…..check `em out !!!

  http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/10795

  http://home.online.no/~steinjr/trains/modelling/forum/warehouse40.jpg

:cheers again

  Gormo

Just to answer some of the questions regarding radii of the curves and the design… Toto gave me a wish list of what he would like to see in a layout. This included :

1. Continuous running - for DMUs', occasional passenger train (loco hauled coaches), frieght trains.

2. Shunting areas - for the scrap yard, and other industries.

3. Not overly cramped, hence the flowing curves etc

4. No elevated or under board fiddle yard/cassette - may get the way of the Cobalts.

This is the image I sent Toto after he feed me this info (above) and the shed dimensions/door placement.



As can been seen, I have utilised the space to the dimension of the room and doorway/entrance. I used the largest radii of track (set track radius 4) at 572mm and where the track turns back on itself, 505mm radii was used (set track radius 3). The track outline shown is the outside running line of the main lines and I left the rest (blue areas) to be decided on by Toto. The omission of the lift up/drop down panel in the doorway saves a lot of work as well.

Cheers, Gary.

:)Good morning Toto,

You cannot beat the old dogbone style for extra run lengths.

Okay I like your basic plan. Those curves are sharp,However study of the floor area allows for 30 inch radius curves on the loops and main corners and still leaves room to walk in and allows easy access.

I am assuming those plan squares are 1 foot.

I shall study your floor plan a little more but its promising :).

Derek.
PSorry Gary our posts crossed, your floor plan is clearer where it comes to that doorway. 

I think I'll need to take five to consider these responses. A lot of good but differing views and I'm lost.

I'll be back

Toto

[user=434]John Dew[/user] wrote:

Now this is a dumb question……..but why cant you start with a double oval around the perimeter of the shed and then work inwards from there with a branch or sidings……..those curves look awful tight…………my initial post on this thread suggested KISS should be a guiding principle……I am still of that view;-)

Cheers

For what it's worth, I agree with John.

Ed

 Sorry Toto,
 I guess these comments and options must place doubts in your mind. I`m sure you`ll see a clear course of action soon. After all ,the concept that Gary has developed for you is fine. We have to use the space we have to it`s best advantage, and this may mean compromise in some form or another.
 The dog bone gives you a good long run and access to the room is good as well. So two major plus  points covered there.
 Anyway I`ll buzz off now and let you clear the clutter we have created for you and I look forward to further updates.
:cheers Gormo

Hi Gormo,


no problem. That was the point of getting the post out there, …… to get idea's opinions and the like. Mission accomplished. They are just so different ( ha ha ).
it may take a couple of attempts to get to the right place. I'm sure that it will be batted back and forth a bit more yet. All good stuff.


cheers for now.


toto

Hi,






I've been spending a bit more time on potential track plans.






I've not finished the fiddle yard ( to the left hand side as you look at it ) as yet. The fiddle yard is at the door hatch side but going on onsite measurements I can ensure that the baseboard cuts for the hatch are not obscured by turn outs. The fiddle yard would obviously be non scenic.

The turntable for the turning of steam loco's, can be accessed from both the up and down lines and completely bypassed by both lines for accessing the fiddle yard for freight wagons etc.

The top of the plan as you look at it has still to be developed albeit I have allowed a passing loop on the up line. I think I would take sidings off the lower down line to some kind of industry. the area to the top of the up line would be either buildings or scenic.

Again, I am just playing around with it at the moment so any further comments are welcome.








Cheers for now

Toto

Hi again,
I have updated a bit further with some bits and bobs.







Feel free to comment


cheers
Toto

Hi Toto,

First up, a couple of changes to the scrap yard entrance.

 A change to the arrangement of the points. If you remove the points high lighted red, and replace with where I have drawn the green points, it will make operation to/from the scrap yard much easier to accomplish.

By following the coloured lines from the UP and Down lines, you can access the scrapyard sidings with ease. I have also incorporated a head shunt to the lower left of the main lines.

Cheers Gary.

Hi Gary,

I can see where you are coming from. I'll incorporate that into the plan later today. It gives good access from all directions.

Cheers

Toto