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 Posted: Mon Mar 18th, 2013 10:23 pm
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Tell me more about the "faulty output" on the LS 150 ........:roll:  I've just bought a couple ot install and, if mine don't work, I'm going back to clockwork ..........:???:


Hi Pete, 
Put the key away ( weren't they a nuisance - I was always putting mine down and forgetting where I had put it!:oops:)
I have 7 LS 150's controlling 42 points  - this is the first one I have had problems with in 6 years and  I am not sure why. 
I use my controller and RR&Co to operate my points and the problem first manifested itself with the point in question taking an unusually longer time than normal to respond - which was a problem as it was one of the two points on a double slip.  I increased the pulse time which appeared to resolve the issue when I tested it immediately after making the adjustment but then it won't work at all!!  All other points on the LS150 work as normal. 



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With 7 of them over 6 years, I feel a little more comfortable now Dave.

Strange that it's just 1 output and not the whole unit ...........could it be something to do with the motor positioning ?  I think you said you use SEEPs as well as Tortoise and I've read that they can be awkward if they're not perfectly aligned.

I bought one of those Tortoise remote couplers to see how easy it is to wire up a single motor to do a cross-over.  I'm still waiting for the rest of the necessary supplies to arrive from UK. so haven't started anything yet.



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Strange that it's just 1 output and not the whole unit ...........could it be something to do with the motor positioning ?  I think you said you use SEEPs as well as Tortoise and I've read that they can be awkward if they're not perfectly aligned.

I bought one of those Tortoise remote couplers to see how easy it is to wire up a single motor to do a cross-over.  I'm still waiting for the rest of the necessary supplies to arrive from UK. so haven't started anything yet.


Yes bit of a mystery - I double checked all the components and the common factor was the output on the LS150.  I swapped the diodes (The tortoise needs these to work on the LS150)  tested the Tortoise itself and eventually connect the two Tortoise motors to another LS150 where they both worked perfectly.    The faulty output also appeared to accept programming correctly.   SEEPS were not an issue as I don't have any.
I have not heard of a remote coupler that allows a single motor to  operate a crossover ( is this the same as a double slip?) - do you have a link to an appropriate web page ?
 



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The cross-over isn't a double slip Dave.  That has to operate as two separate turnouts.  It's two identical points "head to head", one on the up line facing another on the down line (to allow a train on the "up" line to cross over to the "down" line).  They must operate together otherwise there's nowhere for the switching train to go .................:shock::shock:

This is the gadget I bought:

 http://www.digitrains.co.uk/ecommerce/track/accessories/tortoise-cross-over-linkage.aspx

and here's what it claims to do:

http://www.7mm.co/shop/tortoise%20_accessories.pdf



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Thanks for the links Pete,  I now comprehend.  Merci 
I don't use remote tortoise mounts so for me it would out almost as expensive as buying two motors.   



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That's the problem Dave.  By the time you've bought both gadgets, you're only a few quid off the price of a motor and, from what the article said, the motor is easier to fit.

The reason I bought one is because I don't have a spare output on the LS150 so would have to either buy another for a single point or wire it all the way back to a panel of some kind.  It may not work of course ..................:roll::roll:



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I'll be interested to see how you go -  I assume you put the mounting somewhere near to the middle of the two points. 
You will need to adjust the pulse setting as the default pulse time of 0.1 second will not be enough for the Tortoise - I set mine to the maximum of 10 seconds.





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Peter, on a crossover, you can use two motors wired in parallel so both operate at the same time from the one output.



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Sol wrote: Peter, on a crossover, you can use two motors wired in parallel so both operate at the same time from the one output.

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Peter plans to use the Lenz LS150 which I understand doesn't have the current to handle two motors off the one output.



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Not 2 motors totalling 60mA?
bit poor I would say but looking at the manual http://www.lenzusa.com/1newsite1/Manuals/LS150.pdf with a pulse of 3-4 seconds required for a Tortoise, etc, the output is 1A so it should do two in parallel.



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I have sidetracked lately so actual progress on the layout has been very slow hence the lack of updates.

This was my latest distraction - automating a semaphore signal with a surplus Tortoise motor.   I built a proof of concept so that I won't need to be crawling around under the layout - especially if it didn't work. As you will see it works very well with minimum modification.

Very short video of the semaphore working

Using an old Hornby toy train signal, a surplus Tortoise and connecting to an existing LS150 decoder - total cost $nil. 



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very effective Dave.



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Having now installed the working semaphore signal on the layout  I needed to identify it visually on the RR&Co switchboard. This was my first attempt at editing icons using RR&Co -

Semaphore signal icons ....


I'm pleasantly pleased with the outcome - one of the few projects I've attempted that have cost be nothing and didn't take substantially longer than planned ( Did I mention the Krois automated uncouplers:oops:)



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Whilst working on schedules and Timetables in RR&Co  tonight I noticed for the first time the addition of "Save Train Positions" and Restore train positions" under the Railroad drop-down list.  This is a new feature in version 8.0









This will be very useful  as it will allow me to save the starting positions of locos for each of the eras I may choose to run - GWR, BR Steam, Green diesel, Blue diesels, modern, etc. and I won't have to assign locos to their starting blocks every time..





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I have redesigned the yet unnamed branchline area. This is a RR&Co schematic of the redesigned area;
 

It not only gives me an additional siding for those "preserved"or old rolling stock but also gives me room to develop the station area.  Previously the station platform was against the railway embankment with no logical access.... You can see the location of my newly automated semaphore signal just above block 60-12.

I haven't had time to replace the push button switches with routes which are a lot more effective - especially if operating manually.

I also dug out my old "train cam" wagon from Branor. Had a few issues to start with as the unit had not been used for over 12 months and the built in battery had lost its charge.  A few emails to Branor and problem fixed.  So for the first time I was able to see the layout from a train eye perspective.



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This is a short video showing what can be done with computer control.

A sound fitted Pannier tank engine  uncouples automatically whilst under computer control

http://youtu.be/Zp3WY-FNK0k



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To show you that I have been doing actual work on the layout and not just mucking about with computers here's a track level view taken with a Branor Cam truck.  This was the first time I have used it on Notmutley.

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God dammit man... I'm trying to resist going sound decoders (with the associated DCC two wire evil).... and you are not making it any easier. :mutley
Lovely sounds, great layout.
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This is looking great. Also the loco ran so smooth on the track z sign of a good baseboard no bumps.

What camera is on the back?

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Marty wrote: God dammit man... I'm trying to resist going sound decoders (with the associated DCC two wire evil).... and you are not making it any easier. :mutley
Lovely sounds, great layout.
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Thanks Marty the layout is still bare bones but somehow from track level it looks better - even with the "unusual" trackside items



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