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 Posted: Sat Aug 11th, 2012 03:35 pm
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Sol wrote: Dave, it looks like 3 identical photos in the post above.
Not sure how that happened Sol - only meant to be one - thanks for fixing Bob:thumbs



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MaxSouthOz wrote: Good work, Dave.  :thumbs

Thanks for the encouragement Max -   I don't get much time to work on the layout and some days when I walk into the room I wonder why I ever started !:shock:

Today is not one of those days:lol:  so with a bit of luck and no interruptions from the rest of the family I may have RR&Co up and running by this afternoon -   if I can remember all the programming - its a while since I had to program an LS150 or come to that set it up to operate a Tortoise  ..... now where did I see those diodes???:???:



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Successfully connected the Digital Command centre to the new layout ( read fiddle yard for now).
It turned out to be more successful than I had hoped -  not only did I get a loco running  but I thought I would try again with my Team Digital equipment that I bought a year ago to run signals and block detectors via a Loconet. 

Then I was successful in getting the signalling working but try as I might I could not get RR&Co to recognise the block detectors even though they were detecting locos.

Well given that I am starting from scratch I decided to give it another go - and this time I got the the blocD8 set up to work and given the way they are set up it will be ideal for the fiddle yard - rather than using 8 NCE separate block detectors.

Only one hitch - I bought 3 and I still have worked out how to change the accessory address!:oops:  so I can't connect the others until I have worked it out.   These are the instructions -  http://www.teamdigital1.com/resources/documents/blocd8_doc.pdf

If anyone out there has done this please let me know as I have tried numerous times yesterday without success!

The picture below shows the SIC24AD  interface unit and signalling unit ( without any signalling attached) on the left and the block detector unit on the right with one detector wired for testing.  The SIC24AD connects to a Loconet USB which is plugged into the computer.





So I now feel like I am getting somewhere - and I can play trains again :Happy



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:mutley   Enjoy the high, Dave.  Can't help with your question, but I did notice that the NCE Procab is DCC compatible command control.

So that's D C C C C C.    Excellent!  :doublethumb



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As I am building from scratch I thought some club members who are into DCC  may find it useful if I showed some of the "below the layout" stuff.

This layout will have two power zones each with their own Circuit Breaker.  Is this necessary ?  But my experience with my previous layout taught me that it was cheaper to put in purpose built circuit breakers than have decoders and or motors burn out due to a slow response to a short circuit..

So I am recycling two PSX2 circuit breakers that I have found to be excellent.

The picture above shows my second protector in situ although it is not wired up as yet.  (For the eagle eyed the wires going left to right is the recycled bus wire hence the cuts in the shielding.)

I haven't bought a loco for a while but couldn't resist the opportunity to pick up a Bachmann Class 57 Diesel with a sound  from Hattons for just a few quid more than the cost of a sound decoder !  The mail delivery problems in the UK must have been resolved as it arrived at my doorstep within a week !!



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Excellent progress Dave:thumbs.......you must have a great sense of achievement with all this. Surface mounted point motors in the fiddle yard are a brilliant idea........I wish I had thought of it 4 years ago!

I do agree with you about circuit breakers........one of the best investments I made......solid protection and a good early warning system.

Let me know how you get on with the Computor/Monitor issue......I have similar problems

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John Dew wrote: Excellent progress Dave:thumbs.......you must have a great sense of achievement with all this.

 

Thank you for the kind comments John,  Some days I feel like I'm getting somewhere but then I look at what I still have to do and  then I sigh :???:

On a separate issue I have now learnt that in RR&Co you can set up signals with the conditions without using flagman (something I had done with NotNorth Road) so it should make programming the signalling a lot easier/ quicker



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I saw that as well Dave.......I dont have signals but am tempted to try a couple of Dapol Semaphores so I need to do a bit of research



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Spent most of this past weekend rebuilding the removal access module - basically it didn't work which in hindsight wasn't surprising as the design meant that the track joins were on curves and no matter how I finessed it it just didn't work. !

So back to the drawing board and plan B  -

Something much simpler but it does require the door to be open when the trains are running as it needs the additional space to manoeuver  - this may be a problem later if I'm too noisy :lol:  L shaped in design it fits into the corner and can be removed for easy access although there is also plenty  of room underneath for limbo dancers ...



To ensure consistent alignment I have used these simple male/female alignment dowels  that I purchased a few years ago from DCC Concepts but never used.       http://www.dccconcepts.com/index_files/Baseboard_alignment_dowels.htm



The whole thing fits snugly into place and trains will run with just the dowels but to give the unit that extra "snug fit" I have found that these mini claps that I picked up in a pack of 3 for $10 are just the thing. Simple to put in place and easy to remove.


This last photo shows one in situ - a few squeezes on the orange handle to pull the two frames snugly together and a push on the balck button to release - 5 seconds and a guaranteed track alignment with less than a 1mm gap every time.

Those with eagle eyes may have noticed white PVA glue on the track ends -  as I am using flexitrack for the straight lengths I have found that when dry (24 hours) the rail holds nice and firm and there is no travel as would normally be the case.

All in all a successful weekend - now I can literally get back on track (groan)  - next weekend I am away at a nephews wedding in the hinterland behind the Gold Coast so it is unlikely I'll get much time to work on the layout.


 




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Back from the Wedding and managed to get some time to myself to work on the layout.  Spent the afternoon working on the main upper level.
This section is hinged to allow easy access to the part of the fiddle yard that will be underneath.
 




 





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Thats a great idea Dave......very ingenious......you know my views on fiddle yards and that is a super way og getting access to the far tracks.:thumbs

Do you think that monitor will be big enough ? :pedal



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Now that's a very clever idea Dave :pathead

I'd guess you can keep the electrics all joined up on a long cable when it's raised but what about track alignment ?  I'm guessing the tracks will continue around the room on this upper level too ..............:roll::roll:



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. . . and beautiful carpentry.  It's very satisfying, isn't it?   :thumbs



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John, Peter, Thanks for your comments.

I'll confirm ( or otherwise ) how great it is when I get around to laying track and scenery.  Whatever goes along the back will need to be removable to allow for the upper level to be fully elevated although once complete I am thinking that it might not be necessary to open it that far.  It will however be very useful during track construction though.

Peter, track wiring on the upper level and point motors will be an issue in that they will have to be placed with the lower track in mind.  Wiring should not be a major concern as I will run all wiring along the timber supports to the back and then down to the main BUS or accessory panels ( block controllers, signal controllers etc) which run along the back of the lower cross supports.   The BUS is divided into two sections that effectively go twice around the room to feed the "upper" and "lower" levels - the "upper" level track will drop so that trains will go via the fiddle yard before climbing again via the "lower" level to enter the upper platform.
The alignment at both ends will be problematic, as well as the upper level on the movable section (see post dated Sept 3), only time will tell how problematic :roll:

I have laid the track out very roughly on the other side of the room and there will also be sufficient room on the adjacent side for a small terminal  ( Preserved Railway ? as a license to run old and newer rolling stock. :lol:) This will run from the fiddle yard.

John - re the computer screen - too big to fit under the layout - too small to mount on the wall :cry:
 
No doubt I will come across more construction issues as the layout proceeds - watch this space...



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Its been two weeks since my last update  - most of the framework is now complete and I  have now commenced more track laying and wiring. 
For those of you that have heard that DCC eliminates the need for complex wiring - that is true ... until you venture down the path of computer control.  On my previous layout and on this one all the points will be controlled via a computer so all the point motors need to connected to stationary decoders. I am using a mix of NCE and Lenz decoders for this purpose.

This is one of six Lenz LS150 that I will end up using . This one is controlling 6 Tortoise point motors and as such  the inputs have to be modified by adding diodes.


For computer control I also need block detectors so that the computer software can detect anything that draws current. You may have read my earlier posts on the Team Digital block detectors - in this photo you can see my production line for the NCE equivalent of the SIC24ad- each board controls 14 inputs.



This is the near end of the train room  - the photo taken whilst I was wiring the lower level including the terminus on the left.  A range of tools plus a mug of tea !



Finally a photo of some track work as I lay  one end of the terminus. It will serve a single platform and have a run around and a spare line for rolling stock.  I'm thinking this will be my preserved railway station that will be my excuse to run anything I like but most likely a pannier and autocoach plus other steam locos that can later perform John Dew's kadee shuffle under computer control.
( the wires projecting from the Peco points are from the Tortoise point motors - these will be trimmed )



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Hi Dave

Thats looking good.........your wiring is a lot neater than mine.......I particularly like the way you have set up the diodes for the tortoises......I leave mine exposed and I must confess it looks very un professional.

I do hope with all your panniers you are going to do a loco xchange as well as a run around :mutley:mutley

Are the tortoises on the insulfrog double slip for consistency or do you need the switch (tortoise) for other purposes? On the first double slips I installed I wired tortoises including switches to change polarity:shock::shock::shock: and then took forever to work out why I had shorts:oops::oops::oops:................having said that Tortoises are so much more reliable and the action more pleasing that I rather wish I had put them in my other slips even though, for me, the switches are redundant.

Incidentally, and I am sure I dont have to tell you this, I found that the transistion between the double slip and the next connection had to be absolutely dead straight for at least 2". Dont ask why I know this!:oops::oops: 

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John Dew wrote: Hi Dave
I do hope with all your panniers you are going to do a loco xchange as well as a run around :mutley:mutley



I tried  a loco exchange on Not North Road with some success so there is no reason for me  not to give it a go when the new layout is up and running......  especially if I am suffering withdrawal symptoms from  RR&Co  induced frustration.  At present I have not even started programming the basics :cry:  So if I agree to stop suggesting you get sound for your Pannier will you promise not to tempt me with a loco exchange - for the next 4-5 months ;-)


Are the tortoises on the insulfrog double slip for consistency or do you need the switch (tortoise) for other purposes? On the first double slips I installed I wired tortoises including switches to change polarity:shock::shock::shock: and then took forever to work out why I had shorts:oops::oops::oops:................having said that Tortoises are so much more reliable and the action more pleasing that I rather wish I had put them in my other slips even though, for me, the switches are redundant.

  

I had two double slips side by side in the old layout and the worked without any problems.  I used Tortoise motors for reliability and because of the complexity of the double slips I opted to use them as they operate more gently  than the Peco motors.  I confess to not having ever used the switch functionality on the Tortoise as I have never found a need for it ( plus I have never worked  out how to do it ):oops: 


Incidentally, and I am sure I don't have to tell you this, I found that the transition between the double slip and the next connection had to be absolutely dead straight for at least 2". Don't ask why I know this!:oops::oops: 

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John  - that's interesting -  up until this layout I have never put a curve ( other than those on a point ) ,after a slip but in the terminus I will need to - I'll let you know if it creates the same problem for me.






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