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 Posted: Tue Jun 12th, 2012 06:38 am
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MaxSouthOz wrote: They're glued on with PVA, Dave.  The four holes in the board help to pre-locate them on top.  Drill 4 x 1/16" holes through the base board with the motor sitting on top with the wire through the throw bar in the turnout.

Then you can line the board up underneath quite easily.  If you need to remove them, just take the four screws out, and it will drop out.

I hope that makes sense.  :roll:

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Some progress in the past week.

To allow easy access - the frame is 16 inches wide along the far end  and around the dormer and 24 inches wide at the two sides.  The legs are recycled balustrades ( for those with keen eyesight and where wondering why the legs where shaped the way they are.)

I had placed some boards on the frame on the left hand side to work out how the lower level fiddle yard would fit - but that is now back to the drawing boards following Johns suggestions.

My other problem is how to complete the track and still have easy access from the door -  if I stick with the original idea of having two levels then a hinged solution is going to be problematic - I'm currently working on plans for a removalable section :???:










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Very impressive Dave nice bit of carpentry. It really is a great room you have there and them walls are gagging for some railway art to hang on them.

I may be a bit previous but if you are having a back scene how do you propose to mount it?



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wogga wrote: I may be a bit previous but if you are having a back scene how do you propose to mount it?

Hi Pete,

As I want the layout to be "freestanding" I am planning to use 4mm MDF cut to a suitable height and  attached with PVA glue  with the pine blocks at the joins for additional support.  I used this method in Not North Road ( although that had limited backscenes - see top of first picture) and it worked well - its stable yet not too secure so if you need to remove it for any reason it can be pulled out with the help of a screw driver



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gdaysydney wrote: John - first draft of Station layout based on your comments



I am so glad you were not irritated Dave......I spent forever drafting it.......I abhor pontificatation but felt obliged to alert you to the pitfalls of a low level storage yard

It might be helpful if you listed the key objectives of your new layout.......what sort of trains do you want to run and how do you want to operate them?

I am guessing you want roundy roundy passenger and goods trains to pass through the station.....no doubt stopping under RR&Co control......with the departure triggering another schedule from the storage yard.

The layout is perfect for this with no apparent bottlenecks.

 But I am also guessing, knowing your stock, that the through station will be a terminus for branch line traffic,,,,,,,autotrain shuttle or B Set which will involve a loco exchange......the line below the bay with spurs at either end is perfect for this.

I am assumng the upper mainline runs clockwise and the lower anti clockwise? If the bay is for an autotrain how will it depart......you may need another double slip to exit to the down(?) line....................on the other hand the bay may be planned for something entirely different................hence the suggestion that you set out the type of operations you want to run.

I do this all the time now.......its kind of late because the main track is already laid but the goods yard I am currently setting up is being laid out with specific RR&Co operations in mind
 
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Its been a few weeks since my last post. I've been busy contemplating John's recommendations and working through numerous permutations  to come up with a compromise ( funny how no matter what area you have for your layout there is not enough room for the one you've had in your mind).  In my case the problem is that to cater for an accessible fiddle yard on the lower level my inclines would need to in excess of 3% which wasn't going to work.

Thank goodness I purchased the AnyRail software before I commenced this project.  It has allowed me to test a number of solutions without all the frustration of actually building something and then finding it doesn't work.  It has enabled me to come up with a layout change that whilst a compromise should work.

The inclines on all curves will be 1% and on the straights or flexitrack they will be 2% ( and 2.5on one long length which will be hidden). This will give me 126mm clearance over the fiddle yard. 
The compromise as 126mm is not enough clearance to access the rolling stock is to  increase the lower level from 600mm in width to 800mm and run the up traffic in front of the upper level.   The clearance will be just enough to give me access to the down line fiddle yard and the added bonus is that this will give me 400mm of free space so accommodating point motors won't be such a problem - well thats the theory :roll:

One question with those more familiar with the AnyRail Software - is there a way you can calculate the height of the track other than at the end of  track components where it appears automatically?  I am using  Microsoft Excel to calculate the height of supports needed for the lengths of flexitrack as I have not yet found another way of doing it.:oops:





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Hi Dave

I just opened mine to take a look and copped an update.  :mutley

Anyway, now that's over, I couldn't find any way of measuring the vertical interval.

It has an option for setting the gradient, but I couldn't progress that any further.


I can sympathise with you.  I have no idea what to do with my bigger shelf boards.

I want a main line along the outer edge, but that's it.

I guess I'll go and stare at it a bit more.  :shock:


Good luck with it.  :thumbs



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Re Max's post - I ended up using Microsoft Excel to calculate the heights at various distances on the inclines so that problem is solved.

Since my last post I have been :

Demolishing and cannabalising points, electronics and even timber from Not North Road



Building Max's Tortoise point motors template ( thanks Max - this will save hours of heart ach when I get to attaching the motors to the points )


and building the framework for the extended fiddle yard - a compromise following John's comments.


One drawback of the extension is that my computer table no longer fits at  the far window end - hence it is currently in "no man's   land"

Since this photo was taken I have completed the framework and am about to start on the wiring and tracklaying.  You may notice the carriage at the far end which I have been using to test for clearance on the corners - a lesson learnt form Not North Road wher I had to demolish hours of work as I had not tested for clearance for my longest rolling stock. In this case I can't demolish the side of the house so getting it right is important.



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That first shot could be my layout room Dave :roll:  I'm so pleased there are other modellers who keep their "sapce" as clean and tidy as I do. :cheers

Regarding the coach for clearances - I agree - it's a "must".  I too didn't initially use one in my previous incarnation - to my cost !!!



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Petermac wrote: That first shot could be my layout room Dave :roll:  I'm so pleased there are other modellers who keep their "sapce" as clean and tidy as I do. :cheers



SWMBO (wife Jeanne) has given me a 3 month deadline to get the old train room tidied up and free of train stuff !   Pressures definitely on :eek:



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This is looking great I will be watching with great interest keep the Posts comming

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Hi Jim,
Many thanks for your post -  progress  has slowed dramatically due to family pressures.
My commitment to have the old layout dismantled in 3 months is looking like a real challenge now.:pedal



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Good luck with the sorting. I'm am currently trying to prepare my loft so that I can start building again but my two year old likes to take a lot of my time.

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Thanks Jim,

Yesterday I put in a good 4 hours removing the electronics and wiring from the remaining second section of the layout. ( two down one to go)  SWMBO is happy so a few brownie points there.



I have made some progress on the new layout with the ramp from the far left end of the lower level to the near end of the upper level almost complete. The photo shows the view from the doorway with my own design "removable section"
 



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Turned legs?  That's a bit OTT, Dave.  :shock:



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MaxSouthOz wrote: Turned legs?  That's a bit OTT, Dave.  :shock:

:mutley:mutley:mutley

It's probably to keep SWMBO happy Max - "easier on the eye". ;-)

I'm delighted to see that all the "clutter" is tidily filed away in the same type of drawers I use Dave............:thumbs



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MaxSouthOz wrote: Turned legs?  That's a bit OTT, Dave.  :shock:

recycled balustrades Max  :mrgreen:



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Petermac wrote: MaxSouthOz wrote: Turned legs?  That's a bit OTT, Dave.  :shock:

:mutley:mutley:mutley

It's probably to keep SWMBO happy Max - "easier on the eye". ;-)

I'm delighted to see that all the "clutter" is tidily filed away in the same type of drawers I use Dave............:thumbs

Regrettably most of the "drawers" contained stuff belonging to the rest of the family that they had "hidden" under the layout.

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Finally feels like I am making some progress - this is the lower level fiddle yard - I've used a mixture of surface mounted Peco motors and the quieter Tortoise motors which are mounted under the track.  This is the first time I have used Peco motors surface mounted - I usually mount them under the track but have used them here as they are very easy to instal and means I can position the points wherever I like and not have to worry about the timber frame.!
I used piano wire rather than the wire supplied with the Tortoise motors as I am looking for durability since thee fiddle yard will not be that easy to access once the upper level is in place.
The points (insulfrog) have all been wired so that the moving rails  are not dependent on contact ( I'm sure there is a correct name for them but it alludes me at present).
The layout will be DCC but as you may see in the picture I test everything with DC current first - a lesson I have learnt from the past where I have constructed everything before testing only to find that I have had to rip up track etc to repair a faulty connection:roll:

Next task is to salvage the "bus" cable from the old layout and recycle it.



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Dave, it looks like 3 identical photos in the post above.



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