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 Posted: Sun Mar 25th, 2012 08:53 am
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Whilst enjoying a country ramble a few days ago, I came across a small Methodist church which was just crying out to be modelled.  This might well be the subject of another build on this  forum so I won't divulge too much as yet.  However, for a simple brick building the windows are rather ornate and it has set my mind to the problem of how I would make these.  I don't own any drawing programs.  My current thinking is that I could try to get a fine white paint pen and draw each window on acetate over a simple line drawing.  Or would it be viable to get some etchings or laser cut windows made? I would need to produce two of this:




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Waiting for the ideas to flood in.

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Loads of information and kit in both forum indexes, some of which may be what you are looking for.



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Thanks Bob.  I'll explore those.

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Wayne had done fancy windows starting at Post #147 under http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=7529&forum_id=14&page=8



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I hope this helps.......I'd cut out the window openings, treat with shellac, and file/sandpaper as smooth and regular as possible, then use the shapes as patterns to mark out the window frames on some self-adhesive label material stuck to glazing material.

 

Ensuring you can accurately reproduce vertical and horizontal axis, and working against a ruler stuck down with blobs of blue-tak, I'd just draw in the rest to suit your own standards of exactitude.

 




 

cut straight across all joins/intersections and you've got it.

The 'spindly' ones can simply be drawn with school compasses and cut out with a scalpel, you should manage to get them down to about 1/3mm, given the skill you have shown in your light-house modelling....

 

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"..Or would it be viable to get some etchings or laser cut windows made? ..."

AAAaaagh! Spending money, what a suggestion,  oh, I need a lie-down, and so soon after Sunday lunch, you so-and-so....


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Ron, thank you for the link.  Very interesting.

Doug, spot on!  Thanks very much for the drawings.  I think this method could be the way to go, especially as I have just bought twenty A4 sheets of self-adhesive labels.

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What I would do (not necessarily what anyone else should do!).

I would build the main frame to the correct depth with plasticard.
Using thin plasticard I would then draw the structure for the pane frames and cut out with a sharp scalpel.
Mount and paint.
Even easier if this is 4mm.



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Terry,
Just as an FYI....Open Office has a drawing function in it....and it is free.

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Khris wrote: Terry,
Just as an FYI....Open Office has a drawing function in it....and it is free.

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If you are interested in a useful free drawing program, 'Photoplus SE' has been trialled here on YMR and several people here have produced edited pictures, drawings and 'miniaturised' posters.

 

It has a useful paralax correcting function and is reasonably easy to use.

 

I produced a set of generic windows, doors, roller shutters etc which members used in projects to make baclscene elements, and did some 'how-tos' starting from a blank screen to a finished article. 

 

The best thing is that if you like it and can get on with it it costs only £10 to download the 'pro' version, but the initial download, together with it's excellent tutuorial pages is free, free I tell you Hhhhaaaaaa-haaaa, [insert skipping, happy, fat bearded old git emoticon...]

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HELP! Where did I put all this, remember the flat factory front, and the offcie block an, an, and the Doofertorials???



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HELP! Where did I put all this, remember the flat factory front, and the offcie block an, an, and the Doofertorials???


Doug, will these help ?

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=7370&forum_id=14&page=1

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=6851&forum_id=14

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=6013&forum_id=14   post #19

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=5859&forum_id=14

 



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Thanks for taking the time to find those, Sol.....

 

I'm thinking of the sheets I produced as attachments, with a selection of windows, lengths of wall, etc. Was it under 'Projects'? If so I haven't yet found it. The 'why' is because they also contained [or the threads contained] details of how to use the Serif Photoplus SE download to shrink posters etc to print out on glossy photopape to make enamel signs and so on..........I remember Phill 'Yee-hawing' all the way to the O.K. Corral 'cos he managed to do some....

 

Doug


 

[I just know Cap'n Bob will find it/them in the index somewhere and you know who will be getting 'whupped and sent to bed with no hot milk'.........Believe me, I have looked but can't remember what they were files under..............]

 

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Doug, how about this then

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=7801&forum_id=32



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I would draw them up on CAD and have them laser cut from paper, I did this with my model of Aylesbury engine shed.

David

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=7615&forum_id=72&highlight=aylesbury#p142425

 

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Sol wrote: Doug, how about this then

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=7801&forum_id=32



 

Thasser' wun! Cor, what a head-ache that one was. I've found the office block, too,

 

 http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=7470&forum_id=156

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Thank you gentlemen.  Food for thought.

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Here's another link that might help with the fancy windows if you follow Doug's articles, scroll down to get to the windows:
http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=5974&forum_id=14



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Thanks Bob.  Fantastic idea.  I've already downloaded the doors.

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Hi Terry
I know this is an old thread but I am slowly working my way through the "Scratchbuilding" forum and I came across this one.
You might want to try "Open sash windows" In that forum (This is topic ID = 12320).

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Thanks Jim.  The model still hasn't been built, as yet.  I will probably go for the self-adhesive label method if and when it does get built.


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Hi Terry
I suspect that you are quite skilled with a craft knife but please remember that the hard part of using self adhesive paper is getting it to come off of the backing paper. You will need inordinate patience just to get it off in one piece as your window bars will be something like 0.333 mm if you go for 1 inch in OO gauge. Next, unless you simply stick the cut out down on a blank sheet of transparent material and draw in your masons opening around it, you will have problems aligning the the cut out and getting it to lie flat without wrinkling or breaking.
Just to keep you happy the self adhesive paper backing is either waxed or varnished so that, in theory, you can peel it off of the sticky bit.
This means that it has different cutting qualities to the adhesive paper and can deform whilst you are cutting it. The adhesive side also shares the "Oh Bugger" factor of superglue in that it will grab ANYTHING it comes near and never release its hold.
If you really want to pursue this route print on the backing paper and cut from that side.
Unless you can get something which will not stain your paper you can not grease/oil the knife and anyway with such fine bars the lubricant will contaminate the bars and remove the sticky stuff like you want it to do on the blade.

I am not saying don't use this method. Just be aware of the possible snags. :shock: :shock: :shock:
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