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 Posted: Sat Feb 18th, 2012 07:05 pm
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What is the best way of waterproofing John's fantastic models?  The recommended artists' fixative spray is quite expensive and I'm not too convinced about its effectiveness in this area.  I tested some Humbrol acrylic matt varnish but this left a white residue over the surface of the model.  Any ideas?

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I use a Picture Varnish in Matt of 400 gms/ 14 ozs that costs me A$11/ £7 & that lasts me many sprays - I do both sides of the printed sheets from an Inkjet printer before I start cutting then again once the model has been built ( taking care not to spray any windows).

I can only assume that such sprays are very dear in the UK.



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I've used Windsor & Newtons Acrylic spray varnish in Matt on various card buildings covered with such building papers. I think the trick is to use several light coats making sure each coat is fully dry before re coating.Make sure that you shake the tin for about two minutes to make sure all the contents are fully mixed before spraying.When you are finished spraying invert (Turn upside down) the tin and spray a quick burst to clear the nozzle.



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Waterproofing spray from Lidl, and brush-on interior matt varnish from Wilko.

(I'm cheap, me.)

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I too use the Lidl waterproofing spray (W 70 or something - their "own brand") - if I spray at all !!

Sometimes it can be difficult to find as their stock control isn't all it ought to be !!!  I searched 2 local stores for nearly 2 months here before they re-stocked.

With aerosols, it pays to sit them in a pan of hot (but not boiling) water for a few minutes before using them.  This helps to increase the pressure and atomise the contents far more effectively.  "Clearing" the nozzle after use, as described by amdaley, is essential.



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Thank you for your replies, some food for thought here.  The reason I posted the original question was that at a recent model railway exhibition I was domonstrating building John's superb Scalescenes models.  I had a number of models on display and I noticed over the weekend that some of the models were developing small circular stains on the printed surfaces. I put this down to spittle being sprayed over the models by enthusiastic visitors. (I must remember to wear a hat and goggles for protection next year!)  The models had been sprayed with Artists' Fixative spray, although admittedly only one coat.  Several coats appears to be the solution but with this type of spray costing well over £5 sterling for a small can, I am keen to find a cheaper alternative.  Hair-spray has been suggested to me but I don't know whether it dries matt or whether it has any water-repellent qualities.  May I ask, do the Lidl waterproof sprays dry dead matt on the paper surfaces we are using?

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I have used Windsor and Newton Acrylic Matt Varnish successfully, it was about £3 for a 150ml bottle. I mixed it with Tamiya acrylic thinner and applied via my airbrush. It goes very far and is therefore very economical and it darkened the print slightly which advantageous.

Avoid Humbrol Matt Varnish Aerosol it lightens the print and leaves a white dusty residue.



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I too use Lidl waterproofing spray at about £2.50 a big tin. I have painted in watercolours in the past and I avoid 'Art' shops like the plague as I am sure they are extracting the urine with their prices.

I spray very lightly anything I am going to handle a lot, and give finished models a couple of sprays. As I weather with watercolours it can prevent the paint 'takin' to the paper if used too liberally at the outset, but if you are new to card weathering and intend to use acrylics it is jolly good because you can almost wipe off your mistakes before they dry!

I also spray it into the lid to paint the lower edges of items likely to come into contact with water during ballasting.

 

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Edited to say yes, it dries as matt as the paper/printwork underneath. It is a penetrating rather than a covering medium.

Caveat - You have seen it on everything you can buy nowadays - "Test a small area first....." having used it successfully over Epson genuine printer ink, I was dismayed to find a 'cheapy' ink brand [Pelikan] turned  a horrid green tinge when I sprayed grey roof slates with the W5 spray.

 

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As a rider to Doug's post above (8th) I sometimes get colour leaching, in my case it's pink with HP genuine inks.
Lightly spraying prior to printing seems to alleviate it a little.
Generic inks are definitely a no-no (except black).

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Thank you all for your advice.  As it happens there is a new Lidl store about to open in my locality so I'll visit it in the near future.

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Further to previous discussion, a tutor at my wife's cardmaking class says that she uses something called 'Decorators' Varnish' from B&Q.  Apparently it comes in matt or satin and costs a couple of pounds for a big bottle.  I shall check this out tomorrow.

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My last posting came to nothing.  Nobody's ever heard of this varnish!  However, I am currently investigating another varnish which might be ideal for the job.  When I have tested it I'll report my findings here.

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I had the same result - blank stares from the B & Q people!

(But then that's not an uncommon happening in that establishment...)

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I typed
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into the B&Q website & found 3 spray varnishes - one is satin. There are 33 pages of varnish varieties.

And here is a matt varnish from the UK
http://store.warlordgames.com/anti-shine-matt-varnish-spray-37-p.asp
found by Googling " matt varnish spray"



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I always thought that if I ever "made it" in the music industry, my stage name would be Matt Varnish.  :oops:

Fortunately for all concerned my path wandered in another direction. 



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I came across something called Ghiant Inkjet Fixative Spray and thought this would be up to the job of waterproofing a finished model, especially as the vendor has a video on his website made by the Belgian manufacturer extolling the virtues of this product.  Here's the result after one spraying, allowing it to dry for two days and then dropping water on with a pipette:


This model had previously had a coating of Artist's Fixative spray.  Disappointing result to say the least.  Has anyone else actually conducted any tests with the varnishes that you are using?

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Not to that extent but I have not noticed any problems when I use water spray & PVA for scenery at the bottom of my buildings. But then I had sprayed the paper as soon as it was dry from the printer both sides generously then again after model built & so I had at least 4-5 coats.



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That's not good news Terry ................:cry::cry:

I admit, I've never tested my waterproofing spray from Lidl ........:hmm



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It does beg the questions: why bother buying expensive 'fixative' sprays or varnish, or why bother treating the models at all if none of them appear to work?  Or should we continue to give our models numerous sprays of this stuff in the vague belief that they will be protected against any passing flood?  I have a vivid picture in my mind of the weather spitting with rain as I carry my new model railway from the car to the exhibition hall.  (O.K. make sure it's covered on its short journey).  But what about spit of the human kind landing on the models once inside the exhibition hall? (See my posting of Feb. 19th for an explanation).  Or your helpful mate and co-operator managing to splash a drop of his tea onto your favourite building.  Or am I being extremely paranoid?

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Well I know that spraying a MDF control panel with a varnish, matt or gloss, prevents any water that may get spilt, from ruining any pencil or colour pens markings.
And I have no problems with my Scalescenes gear & watery PVA.



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