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 Posted: Tue Jan 10th, 2012 09:22 pm
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Those sides of lamb are clever, Peter.  Are they 3D?



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dooferdog wrote:
This looks like very involved model, not sure I'd be too confident about bringing it off first time.

Bon courage, mon ami!

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d'accord!...................I unloaded one of these kits and came to the same conclusion as Doug........it remains untouched in my "maybe one day"  file.

Your model looks very good Peter.......I wouldnt worry about the close ups......you will never see them lthat close on your layout. I think the terrace has a very nice solid feel to it......very Victorian.....just like the shops in Waterloo (suburb of Liverpool) that I used to walk past on my way to and from school.

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the window is stuck with PVA Doug - the "crazing" effect is my fingers and dust.  The top right hand bedroom window does indeed have a great blob of PVA on it .......:oops:  I use one of those "Fine Tip" applicators for the glue - a superb gadget.  I also use UHU for some things - the horrible stringy type (mine has Russian writing on the tube but it only cost £1 for a huge tube)

As I haven't fitted the floor, I can access the shop windows to clean them but not the upper ones because, as you so rightly say, the floor prohibits it.

The carcases hanging in the shop are themselves 2D Max - two flat "mirror" images of a carcase cut out and folded over to give 2 flat sides.  They are then glued to a hanging bar just forward to the shop rear wall to give that 3D effect.  Such a simple idea but really effective. 

I never cease to be amazed at the thought and effort John has put into the design of his kits.  As I've said many times before, they really do take time to build but are incredibly strong - I suspect I could probably stand on this one.  Certainly I couldn't crush it with one hand - maybe not even two.




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Sorry John - our posts crossed .........

I too think the terrace has a great "town" feel about it.  Every northern industrial town seemed to have literally hundreds of them.  Dark "flat" bricks, slate rooves and a corner shop at each end frequented by "the missus", still in her curlers and bedroom slippers with a Woodbine stuck in the corner of her mouth.........:roll:

Oh, I nearly forgot Max - typical b....y Aussie boasting again - those "lambs" hanging in the shop are not lambs - one is a pig and the other a side of beef ......:shock::lol:



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I forgot to ask Peter.........what period are you modelling?

The butchers shop window certainly puts you out of my time period........I guess it has to be 50s-60s...............or pre 1939? 



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My period is around the transition from steam to diesel John - late 1950's to early 70's ..................ish :roll::roll::roll:;-)

Some parts will be earlier (like the trams) and some maybe a little later - it all depends on whether or not I like the model :hmm

You'll have guessed from my threads,  I'm not a purist ...............to my knowledge for example, the Pennine foothills (on "our" side) never had a tube system but somehow, I'll have to incorporate Chocolate Pudding Lane ...........:cheers



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The continuing saga of my row of shops/houses...........................

All 4 shop fronts are now in place:



As I mentioned in john's "Overall roof" thread, I have found problems with the panels bending along the papered face - no doubt due to the stresses of the glue line.  John said "maybe that's why John (Wiffen) adds interiors".  I suspect he may be right so from now on, I'm papering both sides wherever possible just to equalise the stresses.  On the "blind" side, I'm using plain paper.

You can clearly see the annoying "bend" on the window cills in this shot:




Here I'm adding a sub-structure to each roof in an attempt to create the valley so well shown in Doug's thread on "Card Modelling from scratch".  The corner shop and first unit were done before I read his tip.  We'll see how the rest turn out with the valley although that is of course, at the rear where there are gables.:



I added a strengthening "beam" to the 3rd roof in an endeavour to stop the panel bending - before I decided to paper both sides !!  Also, the cat decided to sit on the sub-panel for the gable - hence the muddy paw print - bless it !!




Progressing along the row.  The valleys will be where the gable roof joins the main roof (but not on unit 2 :cry:):






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It's all looking good, Peter - I've been up and down the photos and I can't see any annoying bends in the sills, so they can't be all that bad.  :thumbs



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Nor me!  I did wonder if you could glue stiffeners here and there on the inside where they cant be seen?

Whatever.....they look very good to me Peter

I bought the three storey kit.... both the terraced houses and the cornershop.......but never built them......I think they may be too tall.

In the cornershop kit the shop fronts can be inserted as an alternative front to the terraced house bay window. Is that the same set up with your kit?

I am thinking of replacing the high street I have at Cynwyd (the branch) with a two storey set up.....hence the question....if I am lucky all I have to do is buy the two storey terrace and use the shop fronts from my existing Kit.

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Thanks Max and John for the encouragement but I fear you both need spectacles !!  The "bend" is perhaps most noticable in the 4th photo of the newsagent. 

Believe me, there is a bend and, when I go to either Doug's or John's threads for comparison, I wish I hadn't posted some of these shots at all !!! (But then maybe they don't know too much about explosives so perhaps there is somethnig I'm moderate at....................)

Regarding the shop fronts John, you're right - the corner shop is "as it comes" but the terraced shops are in fact, the terraced houses with the front wall replaced by a shop front supplied with the "corner shop" kit.  The corner shop is identified in the kit as "Shop 1" and the terraced shops identified as "Shop 2".

It's a clever design in that, other than the front panel, the kit is the "Small Terraced House" kit.  The next (and final) add-on block of 4 units I'll make as houses and finish the row with another corner shop - this time "left handed".  I will however, try to take my time and inwardly digest both your own and Doug's "Scalescenes" threads.  You both put me to shame ...............:oops::oops::oops:  And to think my old school motto was "Petamus Virtutem" :roll::roll::roll:



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You're a hard man to please, Peter.  Even now you've told me, I can hardly see it.

One thing I have noticed about scenery is that once you have done another dozen or so further on, you can't remember where the "faults" are - let alone see them.    ;-)



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Personally being useless with Scalescenes, I can honestly say Peter this is one of the best Scalescenes builds I have seen. They are looking so good in close up as well.

I know the effort and cutting that goes into them which is tough an epic along with JD's roof.

Re the Spar Peter, we moved to a new "Council town" from Manchester in 1960 and of the two grocers shops built one was a Spar franchise so you are cock on with it.



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wogga wrote: ...................................................... I can honestly say Peter this is one of the best Scalescenes builds I have seen. ..................................................

Re the Spar Peter, we moved to a new "Council town" from Manchester in 1960 and of the two grocers shops built one was a Spar franchise so you are cock on with it.

Thanks Pete, Max and John - you're very kind !!

Pete - I suggest you read Doug and John's Scalescenes threads then come back and edit the first paragraph above (but I'm still very flattered ;-)). 

Thanks also for rthe info regarding "Spar".  I had no idea when they came into being but it now seems I can use it for my era afterall. :thumbs



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And to think my old school motto was "Petamus Virtutem" :roll::roll::roll:
If my schoolboy latin ( O level...F)) is correct then that is a perfect motto for a modeller!...................I find the old Kings Regt "Nec Aspera Terrent"......loosely translated as "Difficulties be damned"  comes into play a lot on Granby!

I can see the bow now you point it out but in all honesty Peter I think you are being too hard on yourself. Once the roof and glazing are complete and the model is in situ with some street detail it will be berely noticeable.......if it really bugs you could you pretend a new tenant was moving in and build a hoarding in front with a skip (if right for your period) and a few workmen/



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John Dew wrote:  ...if it really bugs you could you pretend a new tenant was moving in and build a hoarding in front with a skip (if right for your period) and a few workmen/


Oh, John, you really are getting the hang of this card modelling now, next it wiil be startegically placed lumps of greenery on walls etc where the superglue you left on your finger pulled the texture paper off.....Oh damn! Another secret gorn down the pan  :) :)

 

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Hi All

I'm new and this is my first post - please be gentle.

Nice one so far, inspired me to have a go

I have started to build this kit, and didnt like the fire break between each house, so I modified the centre walls as shown below, and glue the front walls side by side, the join will be hidden by copper wire for down pipes. To maintain the size only 1 x  2mm thick piece of card is used for each dividing wall so all other walls are used as per instructions.



I will have to straighten the eves but hey when the roofs on you will never see it.



Walls not lined up - just held in place for the photo - pub will go on the corner.





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Opps - didnt realise I couldnt paste on to the page - looked ok on preview.

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Heres the mods I did to the walls, the same would need to be done to the brick ends, but I intend to have a shop at each end of the row.

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Hi Paul.  Welcome to the mad-house !!! :cheers

You've probably already worked it out but, having removed those "fire breaks", you'll have to modify the roof panels.

The panels are designed to fit inside the fire breaks (and printed as such).  If you go for a "continuous" roof, you'll need longer panels.  Also, depending on how long your row is, you may have problems with the length of the printed slates suppl;ied in the kit. (Don't ask how I know .....................:roll::roll::roll:)

You could of course, use something other than the Scalescenes slates .............:roll:

The prototype for these houses was a very common design for "industrial" terraces being cheap to build. 

The only load bearing wall was the centre "party" wall - including the "fire break" and everything else simply hung on to that.  If you think about it, it's a clever design because that single "structural" wall acts as a carrier for the fireplaces and flues and at the same time, offers "sound insulation" between each house in the terrace plus stability.  The only potential problem area was the flashing betwen the roof and wall although in those days, lead was cheap, lasted many years and plumbers were plentiful to fit or repair it.

Just like in the kit, you simply added "units" until you reached the required length of row.  Almost "assembly line" housing but done "on site" rather than prefabricated.



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Cheers Peter

I intend to do the long one piece roof, and any sagging will only add to the "realism" - i'm good at sagging, and not getting straight lines - just ask the boss about my DIY.
And just to complicate the build, the row of terraces may end up being on a curve :shock: - think I should rethink this or maybe even re-shape the baseboard.

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