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Thanks Ron

I had forgotten all about that..................I shall give it a try:thumbs



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John Dew wrote: Thanks Ron

I had forgotten all about that..................I shall give it a try:thumbs

Do you know how to sex frogs John - remember it needs to be a "bull frog" !!!:cheers:cheers



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Petermac wrote: John Dew wrote: Thanks Ron

I had forgotten all about that..................I shall give it a try:thumbs

Do you know how to sex frogs John - remember it needs to be a "bull frog" !!!:cheers:cheers


:mutley:mutleyNot sure if I could tackle that      :cheers:cheers

 

oops......you can have your thread back now Dave I am off sailing:pedal



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John Dew wrote:  oops......you can have your thread back now Dave I am off sailing:pedal


No worries John  -
Embarrassed my the general high quality of  layouts shown in this forum I have set myself  a goal that as well as doing stuff I enjoy, such as the electronics and generally trying new stuff every week I must also work on improving the look of my layout so that it is not just rolling stock and track

So I spent today ballasting :cry:   I've experimented over the years and found the best way is to put measured amounts of N scale ballast on to a section of track - for this I use a plastic teaspoon, then with an artist paint brush dry brush the ballast into the desired position.  Next using an old spray pack filled with water and a few drops of washing up liquid I lightly wet the ballast  then using plastic bottle with a screw lid  spout ( originally used for  mayonnaise)  filled with about 1/5 PVA and 4/5water-paint, I adjust the spout so that the mixture will flow in drops and deposit the mixture over the dampened ballast.  The trick is to use a spray pack that has the mesh spout so that water comes out in a fine spray.

I have also been experimenting with dulling down the sides of the rails - what do you think of this result ?


Using the same artist brush that I used dry for the ballasting I paint on the ballast and track a paint mixture made from diluted black and brown washable paint which is sold as children's paint -  No need for delicate painting I wash it over the main track bed and along the sides of the track and leave it to dry.  When dry I clean the track with a track rubber.






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Looks good enough for me Dave. :thumbs

Your method of ballasting is the same as mine although I use a stronger mix - around 50:50.  Maybe I should experiment with the mix as yours would flow easier than mine does.

I like the idea of using cheap paints for the track - that's a good move. :cheers  Watercolour or powder paint ?



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Petermac wrote: I like the idea of using cheap paints for the track - that's a good move. :cheers  Watercolour or powder paint ?

Its watercolour and comes in  one litre plastic  bottles  - its designed for use by young children so it comes with a flip lid and you just squeeze the required amount out  so no losing caps/lids, and no trying to unscrew the cap off  mini jars of paint.


I use a small coffee jar to mix up a "slurry"  adding paint  oh and a drop of PVA this stops the paint just wiping off ! ( I forgot that bit in the first post ) until I get the consistency required.  Not only does it dull down the rails but it also darkens the "gravel" to give it that "not just freshly laid" look. 





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My enthusiasm for ballasting didn't last long and I have distracted by the general "adhocness"of the station area as I have never been happy with it .
I have removed the "Superquick" station and one of the platforms.:twisted: The main building will be replaced with a Metcalfe version which I thing will blend in better.  The platform has been removed as  this is an awkward area of the layout to work on despite use of the wife's "step" that I have borrowed form the laundry
Give the difficulty in accessing this area I am determined to get it right and actually finish it off properly with lighting and pedestrians etc  -as you can see the street behind has been in a time- warp - the poor motorcyclist that collided with the bus has been waiting three years for an ambulance or at the least someone to give him assistance :sad:

And yes - there is more ballasting to do as well as inserting more super magnets :pedal

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Not too much progress to report.
I have laid the super magnets and ballast in the station area - although I have yet to "weather" the track and thinking about which approach to take. i have been looking at photos of real stations to see what is appropriate - especially for a terminal.



You can just make out the super magnets  which have yet to be painted in the photo above.


This is a close up.

I also decided to remodel the south west corner of the layout - out went the children's play ground, the fish and chip shop and the grocery shop and in went a hill which I intend to remodel so that the town gets a bit more character.  I will also remodel the existing hills to blend in.  As is usual for me I work from ideas and never really have a plan as such - dangerous I know - but one advantage using a fictitious location.
I have built a road bridge from cardboard and will attempt to use this as a template for a more substantial bridge made from DAS modelling clay - I have never worked with the stuff before so it will be another experiment.:roll:

This shows the "work in progress"






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Dave , I notice from the photo of the tanker & magnets , that the Kadee is not over to one side. It appears your magnets are equivalent to alternate sleeper spacing so do they work well?
Me, I would have replaced 3 adjacent Peco sleepers with magnets to make sure the magnetic field was constant.

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Looks all right, Dave.  :thumbs    How do you go uncoupling on a bend like that?  Mine refuse to let go and won't couple either; unless the track is dead straight.



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Hi Dave

Reverting to your terminus post in May, and my apologies for not having got back sooner,.........I do have a couple of suggestions.....we do seem to have reached the same stage in developing our layouts..............but before doing so and to avoid looking foolish some questions

How would you classify the terminus........end of a branch (obviously quite a big one with 4 platform faces) or end of a a major secondary line

How many coaches can you accommodate at the longest platform....

What is the purpose/history of the town that is served by the terminus

I am not being picky (honest) just trying to get an idea of how the station fits in to the locale

Kind Regards

PS the Metcalfe unit is a big improvement



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Sol wrote: Dave , I notice from the photo of the tanker & magnets , that the Kadee is not over to one side. It appears your magnets are equivalent to alternate sleeper spacing so do they work well?
Me, I would have replaced 3 adjacent Peco sleepers with magnets to make sure the magnetic field was constant.

So far they seem to work OK - I am experimenting with 5 and six rows of magnets replacing alternate sleepers to give me sufficient length with RR&Co.   The Kadee does wobble a little but on the straight lengths it has worked OK - so far -



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MaxSouthOz wrote: Looks all right, Dave.  :thumbs    How do you go uncoupling on a bend like that?  Mine refuse to let go and won't couple either; unless the track is dead straight.
Well spotted Max -  I tried to get the uncoupling spot as close to the points as possible as it is a short siding. The uncoupling is a bit hit or miss depending on which loco and wagon I'm using.  Once I have the layout tidied up I will revisit.



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John Dew wrote: Hi Dave

Reverting to your terminus post in May, and my apologies for not having got back sooner,.........I do have a couple of suggestions.....we do seem to have reached the same stage in developing our layouts..............but before doing so and to avoid looking foolish some questions

How would you classify the terminus........end of a branch (obviously quite a big one with 4 platform faces) or end of a a major secondary line

How many coaches can you accommodate at the longest platform....

What is the purpose/history of the town that is served by the terminus

I am not being picky (honest) just trying to get an idea of how the station fits in to the locale

Kind Regards

PS the Metcalfe unit is a big improvement

Thanks John,  no need for the apology.

You asked some thought provoking questions so I'll answer the easiest one first.   The longest platform can accommodate four modern coaches. 

As the layout is not based on any location I did not have any particular purpose in mind - just something different from the run through platforms that I had on my previous layout.   My sister lives in South Wales  and the terminus at Swansea has a number of platforms  so maybe that was at the back of my mind and had some sub-conscience  influence. 

My schedules in RR&CO  have mainline trains by passing the terminus all together with small locals using the terminus- some entering off the mainline and others off the Y ( especially steam locos as this turns them around)

The problem I faced with the design was the longest platform is nearest the mainline so instead of two platforms I made it four - and then stuck in some sidings for good measure!!

As I am in reconstruction mode I am more than happy to receive suggestions





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Hi Dave

It sounds as though you have a choice......it can be either (a) a sleepy market town branch terminus or (b) a compact but busy suburban  terminus  relatively near a major city...........lots of commutor train movement courtesy RR&Co:lol:

If (a) the Metcalfe terrace on the right hand side is ok although it might merit a more substantial wall........if (b) I would be inclined to replace the terrace with one of the Metcalfe station buildings that match the terminus building.......it could be a parcels office, that would have some operational potential and add more mass to the station itself making it more important.

The terrace itself is a lovely model and I am sure you can find another site for it

The type of roofing you have over the platforms will also indicate the importance or otherwise of the terminus......I am thinking of attempting the Scalescenes overall roof for Granby......but there are other options.

Again at Granby, I am going to use Peco station buffers in the bays rather than the standard siding buffers.......you may lose too much track for this but something other than a siding buffer would be good

Incidentally if you can get hold of Iain Rice's book "Designs for Urban Layouts" he has a design based on Swansea Victoria which I think you will find interesting......here is a quote:

" A terminus in a city of some importance....reasonably imposing station building, an overall roof,a concourse,spacious platforms but only two main platform faces neither of which was all that long

 Hope this helps



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yes I see what you mean - at the moment my terminus area is neither one thing or the other and i like your suggestion in relocating the terraces - as it turns out I am currently constructing the Metcalfe parcels and waiting room kits.

I have a logistical  problem in that this area of the layout is just out of reach when all the scenery etc is in place so I need to keep access as easy as possible - so large roof such as the one you are thinking about would be out of the question for me as "Murphy's law" would ensure that a derailment would occur in the station area as soon as the roof was put in place:lol::lol:

As you may have noticed the station kit has not been completed ( ditto for the parcels and waiting area) which is fortunate as it will give me more flexibility in redesigning this area.

I made a "Das" wall face for one side of the road bridge last night - so far so good - SWMBO allowed me to use the kitchen and even her rolling pin to rollout the clay and then joined in to help with cutting out the brickwork and took photos! ( see below)   I now have to wait for it to dry



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Two photos ( take by SWMBO - my wife Jeanne) of my first attempt at using Das clay.



Me in the kitchen -using  a photo of the the real thing as a guide - cardboard template from the layout in the background beside the mug of tea :lol:


one side finished -  note its sitting on baking paper to aid in moving it to a safe drying location. I've no idea how long it will take to dry and whether or not it will break into pieces ........



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That looks like it will be alright, Dave.  :thumbs   Still got plenty of Panadol left?   :mutley



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Hi Dave

Glad you like the idea......I have been going through the same thought processes for Granby

gdaysydney wrote:

I have a logistical  problem in that this area of the layout is just out of reach when all the scenery etc is in place so I need to keep access as easy as possible - so large roof such as the one you are thinking about would be out of the question for me as "Murphy's law" would ensure that a derailment would occur in the station area as soon as the roof was put in place:lol::lol:



You flatter me!!! My tracklaying aint that good......one of the attractions to me of an overall roof wil be, I hope, the ease with which I can remove the entire edifice to correct the inevitable:roll: I have unhappy memories of Granby II knocking over those finicky Wills and Ratio Canopies

The DAS clay project is looking good.........you must be much tidier than I. I would never be allowed to model in the kitchen let alone with clay.....I get enough aggro when I am cooking!

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John Dew wrote:  I have unhappy memories of Granby II knocking over those finicky Wills and Ratio Canopies
Me too - I have two "attached" to the platforms - despite all efforts they seem to jump up and attach themselves to shirt sleeves whenever I have to lean across them. One of them is currently attached with blue tac as I get fed up gluing back in place.:sad:



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