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 Posted: Sun Apr 3rd, 2011 03:47 pm
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I assume you now have multiple schedules - is there any trick to organising them ?  and is it possible to launch from buttons on the main switchboard or do you have to set up a timetable?


:oops:Updated - Ignore the second question John  I have found the answer on your  Switches Push Button ...... page


Glad it helped

Its a good question you will be amazed how many schedules you will build in a short time. The key is to label them in a clear consistent manner and enter lots of comments

I think there are two types of Schedule

[1] A stand alone schedule which merits a push button or timetable entry......it could be a single schedule, a single schedule with a number of embedded successors or a schedule sequence (a bunch of component schedules)  

I name these so that they will have some meaning either as a switch title or menu entry eg

Granby-Cynwyd Pick up goods

Cynwyd Shunt Yard 

Granby-Cynwyd B Set

[2] Component schedules..........these are like a library of short schedules that are bundled together for sequences like the loco run around or the goods shunt. I label them in the sequence order.....Cynwyd Run around (CRR)

CRR1  Station-East Home

CRR2 East Home-Loop-West Home 

CRR3 West Home-Station (couple)

CRR2 and 3 would be successors to CRR1..........and CRR1 would be set up as an operation at the end of the Granby-Cynwyd B set Schedule

By checking the "visible in Edit Mode only" box in the schedule properties component schedules dont appear in the schedule list when you are operating

 

 

 

 



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Thanks John

I spent today tidying up my Switchboard (discovered how to change the name and spent about an hour working out the impacts of altering VIEW/SWITCHBOARD/CUSTOMIZE) I also borrowed another idea and downloaded the Railscenes program for printing station signs - Western region of course - and added the logo so whilst my real layout does not have any signage my virtual one does. ( amazing how you sit down to complete a task and get distracted).

I hadn't mentioned before but I also have the RR&Co sound program -  I have set up speakers under the layout and it works well for ambient sound effects - loco sounds are not as good and take a lot of time to source and set up. I have a button on the switchboard that plays station announcements (from Plymouth North Road).  You may also note that I have setup a schedule test button which triggers a schedule.  Now I am busy writing schedules and trying to work out how to put them together in a logical format. (  times like this  I envy those with a smaller layout).

Anyway here is the updated switchboard in edit mode - I will setting the blocks to not show signals once I have completed my testing on the actual layout.






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Haven't forgotten about the 14xx  - just got a tad sidetracked by the excitement of finding forum members with RR&Co experience.
I will take some photos tomorrow ( already evening here in Sydney).



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When one sees the switchboard like that you really appreciate the operating potential of your layout. The sound project looks interesting......I had merely glanced at it on the RR&Co site............Max of this parish and your neighbour (well sort of) is the sound expert.

You can suppress the signals so they are only visible in edit mode

I notice some of the blocks (the one way blocks) have a little cross on a red circle that I havent seen before how did you do that?

Glad you are enjoying the forum....Kind Regards



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The  round circles are locks that prevent trains from entering a block. i.e  from the right if on the right side of the block which I have useful when using the "run with interlocking" mode. Not sure how helpful it will be in "Automatic" unless using Auto Train to determine a route, but as they appear in the Dispatcher window they will at least act as a reminder when building schedules.
 
Left click on a block and either use the menu bar or right click as you would to get PROPERTIES and scroll down to LOCK/RELEASE where a pop up menu will appear.



This is a snapshot from the latest manual - my software doesn't have the "prefer block" option



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Thanks Dave

I wondered about that........I havn't used them yet.......If I have a uni directional block I use the Usage/Directions option in block properties.......I am not sure what the difference is between them although I suspect your method has more flexibilty......I guess if you lock the exit a train can enter but not leave whereas uni direction means it can never enter?

I know there is an option where you can temporarily (ie during a schedule) lock an entry or exit and I believe this is a way of avoiding jams/conflicts

"Prefer Block" is a legacy item from V5   I dont think it is supported in V 7

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Additional pickups for the 14xx

The Dapol or Hornby 14xx is a great little loco but with traction tyres smooth running can be problematic.  This was my solution.

The Loco

I used a 2 pin Micro plug so that the loco and the following carriage could be disconnected. The plug is small and IMHO is visually not materially different to a permanent connection ( although I still haven't got around to painting the grey wires black)




Wiring is relatively straight forward with the wires from the "female" Micro plug being joined to the red and black ones that go to the decoder or for DC  soldering them to where the existing red and black wires join the motor/capacitors.  ( I have a working front lamp on this loco hence the additional wiring/resistor) .

The Carriage
In this instance I used an older style Hornby carriage that has metal wheels separated by a plastic axle. This made the exercise simpler and meant that +ve and - ve pickups could be made on both axles. If the more modern wheels are used then the simplest method (although not the most reliable in terms of continuity) is to reverse one of the axles so that the + ve pickup comes from one set and the - ve from the other.




Electrical contact is made by creating loops of bare wire around the metal on each side of the axle, and  twisting the end around and soldering it such that the axle and wire are in contact but not such that it acts as a brake and restricts the wheels ability to turn freely.
Pass all four wires through to the upper side of the chassis and check that the polarity of the male plug matches that of the "female"  plug ( the plug has a marker on one side so that provided the marker matches on both plugs the polarity will be correct.  BUT you need to check that the polarities are correct before you solder the plug wires for the carriage.  This is best done by having the loco and carriage in position with the wire plugged together and then working out which side is which for connection to the carriage's axle wires.







All going well you will end up with two pieces of rolling stock that can be separated if required.

The I amp two wire micro plug was purchased from Express Models in the UK.


( there are numerous brass pickups on the market - Hollywood Foundry's "Pick Up Kit for plastic bogies" is  one I have found to be easy to use and very versatile.   DCC Concepts products are worth a look,  including Flickerfree , and for those using DCC there is a soon to be released "stay alive" product which is especially designed to maintain current to the motor for short periods to give smooth running.)


 


 



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A very neat solution.

Does the extra weight of all that gubbins impact on performance?
Probably stabilises the loco and gives better traction I suspect.



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ddolfelin wrote: A very neat solution.

Does the extra weight of all that gubbins impact on performance?
Probably stabilises the loco and gives better traction I suspect.

I suspect that there is a little more traction effort required but not due to the weight of the wires but due to the friction created by the pickups but it is not noticeable if done carefully and the end result is well worth it.



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Thanks Dave

What an elegant solution......simple (even for me) and effective............I will give it a try.........I may forgo the plug I dont mind a permanently coupled 14xx with an autocoach..........now I just have to check the axles

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   DCC Concepts products are worth a look,  including Flickerfree , and for those using DCC there is a soon to be released "stay alive" product which is especially designed to maintain current to the motor for short periods to give smooth running.)

Do you know what the status of these are? The official release date was late March but somehow they got out early and Bromsgrove Models were selling them and then suddenly stopped......DCC Concepts Loco DCC page remains blank other than the coming soon announcement

Thank you so much for posting

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John Dew wrote:
gdaysydney wrote:
   DCC Concepts products are worth a look,  including Flickerfree , and for those using DCC there is a soon to be released "stay alive" product which is especially designed to maintain current to the motor for short periods to give smooth running.)

Do you know what the status of these are? The official release date was late March but somehow they got out early and Bromsgrove Models were selling them and then suddenly stopped......DCC Concepts Loco DCC page remains blank other than the coming soon announcement

Thank you so much for posting

Kind Regards

Hi John, 

On the Model Rail Forum they have been talking about the decoders for some time and it sounds like Bromsgrove Models in the UK may have had a few on sale. I'm guessing from the comments  that there is a hiccup in the supply chain.



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Update on Not North Road.

Whilst RR&Co programming has taken up most of my time of late it has led to the need to make some alterations to the layout since, to program the system correctly, RR&Co requires three insulated sections in a row. i.e no points/turnouts.

As my layout didn't have this I am currently working on a long continuous section of track that will serve this purpose and also serve as a hidden siding.
The extra room has been made by bolting on a 9 foot piece of 2x2 down the longest side of the layout. The basic carpentry has now been completed and I am in the process of laying the track in place before starting on the wiring. As the new track adds only 2 inches to the width of the layout any locos on the track may be prone to being knocked on the floor if i have to reach over to use the  "hand form the sky"  so I am contemplating using a low guard along the side. Has anyone had this problem and what have you usedquest:  I don't want anything that's bulky but it has to be strong enough to withstand the pressure of someone (me) leaning on it.

For those that are into computer control I will be using a Team Digital BlocD8  High density DCC block detector connected to the Loconet, which to date, has only been used for signals - so there might be a few hours/days spent under the layout tinkering with and debugging the setup - watch this space. :hmm.



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gdaysydney wrote: Update on Not North Road.
For those that are into computer control I will be using a Team Digital BlocD8  High density DCC block detector connected to the Loconet, which to date, has only been used for signals - so there might be a few hours/days spent under the layout tinkering with and debugging the setup - watch this space. :hmm.


Well it turned out to be more than a few days  !!:pedal

I ended up reverting to the tried and true NCE DB20 as no matter what I did I could not get the BlocD8 to talk to RR&Co via the Loconet - in fact to date I have not been able to get it so send messages to the Loconet despite numerous email exchanges with Brian at Team Digital. The block detection is working but communication with the Loconet is not! - I've put that project on hold until I feel the urge to pioneer again.  (Numerous posts on various forums connected with Loconet, Team Digital and RR&Co have failed to find someone who is looking to do what I'm doing even though it is shown as an option on Team Digital's website.)

Meanwhile on the actual layout I have been ballasting and some general point maintainence ( including rewiring the feeds to make electric contact with locos more reliable).  I have also started experimenting with magnets so that I can have either Kadee or the "coupling with staplers" allowing me to have "hands free" shunting.



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Great layout Dave with lots of potential for operations. What make is the 'factory' building near the station throat, or is it scratch built? Also what did you use for canopies on your platforms?

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Hi Bob,

The "factory building"  is a Superquick model kit  B34 Depot building   sold as a bus depot when I bought it about five years ago. ( I don't have the skill or patience to attempt scratchbuilding I regret to say :oops:)

The canopies are Ratio s RA515  Island Platform Canopy kits  they have been on a number of my layouts and are a bit worse for wear at present ( some not even standing up straight). They are great little kits that come with poster boards and the old tannoy speakers that used to adorn platforms.  

As you can see from the photo I have a lot of work to do on the layout and the station area is one where I have great plans that include lighting but have not got around to doing.

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Hi Dave,

I'm catching up on layout threads, and very impressed with the extent of your track.  I too have a Hornby 14xx. My autocoach is very old, labelled Airfix models 1977, and has plastic wheels. If I can rewheel it with metal wheels I will adopt your solution to the pickup problem, probably with metal wipers epoxied to the bogies and running on the backs of the wheels.  Big question: Has it solved the problem? Is it smooth running and reliable as a train?.

Please keep the descriptions coming - I have just started profiling and putting together a few schedules so I'm very interested to see how you get on.

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Thanks for you comments Brian,

The additional pickups via the following coach works very well. Its not necessarily an elegant solution but it has been working now for about 2 years.  The 14xx is a beautiful loco but the pick up can be problematic especially with the rubber traction tyre !!  (Which seems to wear out or stretch very quickly )

I have three 14xx so I am going to experiment with the recently release DCC Concepts decoder with stay alive - you may have read my comments on the RR&Co forum - not entirely happy when it comes to speed profiling but the pannier tank, the loco installed with a DCC decoder, runs extremely well when manually controlled and the slow running is very good . ( The 14xx does not have as much room so the install of a decoder plus the stay alive could get interesting - I will post the outcome on the forum.)

Sounds like we are both new to automation in RR&Co  -  I have had the software for a number of years but have only started attempting to use the automation function since joining this forum where I have found the assistance with RR&Co to be awesome. I will keep posting my experiences and sharing them with you.




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The additional pickups via the following coach works very well. Its not necessarily an elegant solution but it has been working now for about 2 years.  The 14xx is a beautiful loco but the pick up can be problematic especially with the rubber traction tyre !!  (Which seems to wear out or stretch very quickly )




Hi Dave what happens when the traction tyres go......I have never been able to replace them and without the tyre they seem to adopt hopalong mode:cry:



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John Dew wrote: gdaysydney wrote:
The additional pickups via the following coach works very well. Its not necessarily an elegant solution but it has been working now for about 2 years.  The 14xx is a beautiful loco but the pick up can be problematic especially with the rubber traction tyre !!  (Which seems to wear out or stretch very quickly )




Hi Dave what happens when the traction tyres go......I have never been able to replace them and without the tyre they seem to adopt hopalong mode:cry:

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