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 Posted: Wed Mar 30th, 2011 09:15 am
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The first is the prototype of a cottage that got slammed as it was all wrong in the eye's of some:hmm



After I worked on it:







These are the next step in the cottages (Terraces) and the only difference is one wall has been left out of the first cottage so you can join as many as you like also the Chimney has been made fatter.
The terraces are straight out of the laser cutter and will be updated in the next week with Gardens, Walls gutters and what ever else I can think of.

They are just plonked on the station so I can photo them, they will be going in the middle of the layout when finished.




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 Posted: Wed Mar 30th, 2011 09:21 am
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The four of them together look the part.

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I'm not sure 'slammed' is the right word.

Folk generally try to help improve things.
If you were satisfied as it was, that's a matter for you.

As it is, you now have five chimneys on four cottages but it's not a criticism.
I've done that myself for the sake of symmetry.



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'I'm not sure 'slammed' is the right word.'

Well I thought it was and,  one other site I was told the Ivy was wrong.. only grows on one side of the building.. something to do with the light...who cares.

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DD's right - "slammed" is the wrong word.  Constructive critisism is what we call it and isn't that what we're all posting on here for ?  You post something so we can all have alook and offer advice on how it might be improved - although sometimes, things are so good, most of us wouldn't offer anything other than "that looks great - how did you do it ?".

As Sol said, they do look better as a terrace - "spare" chimney excepted but another point of "constructive critisism" I'd like to make is that they might look better if the gables were cut straight rather than stepped.  For small workers cottages that stepping in the stonework seems rather grand to my eye - more in keeping with a castle. Also, in building practice terms, it would be a nightmare trying to keep the damp out.

That's just my opinion but I'm assuming this is intended to be a commercial development so the last thing you'd want is for your potential clients to "slam" the prototype !!! :shock::shock::shock:




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Constructive critisism... depends on how is spelt out.

Some people will say
"I like that looks good, you thought about the Chimneys? they maybe one to many and the gables! I would guess that they might not be in keeping with workers cottages"

Well that's how I would let someone down..... we can't all be perfect in the Modeling world.

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You would have chimney stacks at both ends of each house, in a terrace they would just have more pots in the middle stacks.



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Stubby47 wrote: You would have chimney stacks at both ends of each house, in a terrace they would just have more pots in the middle stacks.
:hmm:hmm:hmm:hmm:hmm

Not too sure about that Stu.

In a cottage, all the fires would be on one wall because the entrance hall, back hall and staircase would be behind the door and they don't have fireplaces. In fact, the fireplaces were often built "back to back" to economise on the number of stacks required - each cottage would be a "mirror image" of it's neighbour. 

Chimney stacks are expensive things to build - as are fireplaces so, unless you had a fireplace, there wouldn't be a stack.

Had these been "chldren's drawing" type houses with a door in the middle and windows on each side, then you would probably be right but, in this instance, we'll just have to accept that Cornish cottages are more advanced than those in the north. :cheers



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3801 wrote: Constructive critisism... depends on how is spelt out.

Some people will say
"I like that looks good, you thought about the Chimneys? they maybe one to many and the gables! I would guess that they might not be in keeping with workers cottages"

Well that's how I would let someone down..... we can't all be perfect in the Modeling world.

Isn't that what I said ? :???::???::???::???:



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Aaaah, but, in the photo of the single house, there are stacks at each end. The one on the right, over the door end, I'm assuming are for the room at the back of the house and one of the two rooms above (as there are only two pots, as you say one 'room' would be stairs and one presumably a bathroom). The other stack again only has two pots for the 4 rooms (2-up, 2 down.)

Extending this style of house into a terrace, both houses either side of a dividing wall would therefore have need for separate flues, but which would be built into the same stack, hence the higher number of pots.

Now, all of this surmation is pure guess work (ok, with a bit of possible logic), as I'm about as far from a builder as is possible. So I could be completely wrong.

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I haven't been here as long as Peter, but one of the things that immediately struck me about YMR is that the standard of modelling varies tremendously from the absolute beginner to those that are blessed with skills that may as well be from another planet to those starting on the modelling ladder.  This is not unusual in itself, but I have seen signs of elitism on other websites  where beginners attempts can be criticised to such a degree that the newcomer to modelling will no longer publish pics of their work, for fear of being ridiculed or 'slammed'.

I pleased to say I have seen nothing that even approaches such a reaction on YMR, so can only assume you have misread a situation.  There are many top modellers on here who are only too pleased to offer words of help and encouragement, but of course it is probable that we all have skills in different aspects of modelling, so not everyone can help on every subject.  I can't help in buildings and weathering as that's not one of my strengths, but I'm sure others are happy to help.

Stick around and feel free to publish pics of your work.  They will be welcome and constructive criticism will be offered.  We certainly won't 'slam' anyone's work.  That's not a word I have even seen on YMR before... 

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The thing that struck me when I saw the first picture was that I had seen it, or similar, on many continental layouts. It must be the gable ends that gave me that impression.



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Ok, it was me that mentioned the chimney looking top heavy, but I can assure you that "slamming" was far, far from my thoughts.
I thought the original looked pretty good for a first prototype and with the exception of my "chimney comment" was excellent.

Maybe I was wrong to try and offer some advice on how another modeller viewed it quest:quest: I'm not sure any more if that's what was being asked for, but if I was wrong, please accept my apologies.  

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In the context of a railway scene - I bet they look fab. I find that an individual study of any scratchbuilt building can draw constructive criticism. But where you put the chimneys is your perogative, and if you're happy with them thats the main thing.

My Cornish cottages complement my harbour scene, and if anyone wants to take pot-shots at them - carry on, it wont a blind bit of difference though!



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I'm sure there's nobody on here who is in the business of taking pot shots at anyone. It's just that sometimes comments could possibly have been worded a little differently, I say possibly, as it's all down to the reader.



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My view regarding the chimneys, coming from a background of building surveying is that if the door was towards the end / party wall then it is unlikely that there would be a chimney on that wall and if it was a terrace the properties would be 'handed' i.e. adjacent properties would have the doors together.

however this is not the case and the doors are more central. It could be assumed that the door would open straight into a living area which would have a fireplace and therefore a chimney. It could be also assumed that the rooms on the other end of each cottage would also have a fireplace / chimney. This would also include the bedrooms and therefore each stack at each end would have 2 flues each.

Of course this would mean that the stacks between two adjacent properties would have 4 flues (2 for each cottage) but the gable ends of the terrace would only have 2 flues

Bored?? I'll stop talking about chimneys.

Don't worry about the ivy, it may be a tad overdone but If you like it, it's fine. My view is where the cottage is standing as a detached building it is an improvement, although on a terrace of cottages I don't think it would look right if all were done this way.

Personally I think it is a design of great character, well done. :thumbs



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Hi,
It looks like my little cottages caused a stir.
The chimneys were too tall and skinny. I have widened them and shortened them.
I think they look better now.
I didn't put quoines on the ends as Warren said he had problems with them and they are probably a little too upper class for workers cottages.
The design was from some photos I had in a magazine( hence the stepped gables). They were real houses and being down under I can't easily verify the propensity of such houses so mine might be non typical.
The Brits (Poms here ) who live next door to the owner f the laser cutter said they looked good so I just took their word for it.
I did put them together in less than an hour as I was in a hurry to get them photographed.
Glue takes forever to dry when you are in a hurry.
The chimneys, I think, are as stubby47 said for balance. You can put different numbers of pots on each (1 or 2 ) to account for the fires in each cottage.
All suggestions have been considered and taken on board.
Hopefully the cottages will continue to improve with every iteration
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Thanks for that, SD.
A very enlightening explanation of the story so far.
Good luck with progress - as I've already said, a useful tool in the modelling armoury.



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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder so they say and I really like these as a terrace and frankly they will look good on anyones town scene



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Thanks Richard.
I designed them for Warren (3801) as he has an English layout and he needed houses for his layout.
I only really had one set of photos of terrace houses.
I would like to get more photos of "typical" old English train scene type houses. If you get my meaning. That way I can come up with a variety that are authentic.
We have nothing like those stone cottages over here.
Any photos etc would always be appreciated.
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