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As we start a new year I thought I would start a new thread.
This thread will from now on contain all my 4mm scale workbench jobs.
and to start off the new year here's the first job!

This is (was?) a Coopercraft GWR cattle wagon kit designed to build up to GWR diagram W1.
However that diagram is out of era for me so, I have modified the kit to make up a diagram W12 from the 1950's.

The pictures show fairly clearly my mods.
basically all the grey bits are original, everything else is modified.







The buffers are white metal cast ones and the brass bits are from a Mainly Trains etch.
3 hole disc wheels are fitted as well as screw link couplings.

Off to the paint shop next!

Cheers for now

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Looks good Dave.

Are the brake lever and running boards brass ?  They look yellow on my screen ............

on edit - Sorry, I should read what is there, not what I think is there ................:oops::oops:

Ignore me, I'll go away..........:roll:

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Thats very interesting Frank I have whole rake of these Cooper kits that I have been threatening to finish for at least 10 years .......The change in brake gear is very obvious

When was the W1 phased out and when was the W12 introduced?  One assumes there intermediate versions W2 thru 11 or similar 

You are a bit later than I so maybe I can get away without change in 1947?

Edit PS.......I thought the strip between the W frames was a built up strenghener, not a running board......  Coopers, if I recall correctly is very flimsy

Regards

 

 

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John Dew wrote: ..............................................................................

Edit PS.......I thought the strip between the W frames was a built up strenghener, not a running board......

Regards

 

 


You may very well be right John !!! :oops::roll:

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John Dew wrote:
Thats very interesting Frank I have whole rake of these Cooper kits that I have been threatening to finish for at least 10 years .......The change in brake gear is very obvious

When was the W1 phased out and when was the W12 introduced?  One assumes there intermediate versions W2 thru 11 or similar 

You are a bit later than I so maybe I can get away without change in 1947?

Edit PS.......I thought the strip between the W frames was a built up strenghener, not a running board......  Coopers, if I recall correctly is very flimsy

Regards


Hi John,
Just had a look in my Great Western wagons book.
The W1 cattle wagon was built between 1888 and the early 1920's There was also a W5 version which was vacuum braked.
I have no reference to any other diagram numbers up to W12.
The W12 started production in the mid 1930's and changed very little. The W16 looks identical I can't see any difference TBH but I think the max load was increased from 8tons to 12 Tons.

This design continued into production well after nationalisation and became the BR standard cattle wagon.

Peter, just to clarify.
The "yellow" bits are indeed brass parts. The "running board" between the W irons is a Tie Bar, used to prevent flexing of the W irons under braking.
Non Vac braked versions did not always have these tie bars.


Edit to add....
I also noticed that the pictures in my GWR wagon book had spoked wheels where as in other books I have 3 hole disc wheels are fitted.
So if you want to be pedantic or accurate I suggest looking at Paul Bartlett@s excellent web site http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/ there are dozzens of pictures there.
hope the info helps chaps.
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The W1 cattle wagon was built between 1888 and the early 1920's There was also a W5 version which was vacuum braked.

But Coopers provide vacuum connectors with the kit of the W1 and I thought thin strengtheners........is this so you can model the W5 or did the hose pass thru the vans even though they were not vacuum braked?

Hmm wish I hadnt started this.......I think I was better in ignorance!:lol::roll: 

Edit to add....
I also noticed that the pictures in my GWR wagon book had spoked wheels where as in other books I have 3 hole disc wheels are fitted.


I noticed the 3 hole discs and worried because I have spokes 
So if you want to be pedantic or accurate I suggest looking at Paul Bartlett@s excellent web site http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/ there are dozzens of pictures there.

Pedantic.......moi?  Never.......I specialise in broad brush:lol:

I will check out the site though.......thank you

 

 

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OK John,
Yes the Coopercraft kit will make either the W1 unfitted OR the W5 Vacuum fitted version.

I think the 3 hole disc wheels were only fitted to wagons made in BR days. Certainly all those I've seen were fitted with 3 hole discs.

TBH I only made the kits up (I have 2 now) for something to do. Now that Bachman produce one RTR I won't build another. I'll just detail a Bachmann one if I want anymore.

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Where there are brake shoes either side of a each wheel, there is no need for an axle box tie bar. It was there, broadly,  to stop the wheels moving on their springs away from the brake shoe  during application on the move.

 Doug

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I can't believe it's been over six weeks since I first started this job!

I finally managed to finish the cattle wagon and here it is.
At last!


Painted, transfers and weathered.

On to the next job, at my rate of work it will be another two months!

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And very nice it is too Frank. Well worth waiting for.

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I couldn't agree with those sentiments more Frank. :thumbs

That is a really good looking wagon - could be the proper thing and very well worth the wait.:cheers

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Congratulations on a beautiful build Dave.:thumbs

May be a silly question, but what was the circular hole in the upper part of the door for?  

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Excellent job Frank  :thumbs:thumbs

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Frank, well done, but three questions:-

1, do you weight your stock, I find most UK wagons  too light for steady running.

2, for 3 link couplings what device do you use for coupling/uncoupling

3, and how convenient is it on your layout.

I have used them in the past and prefer their realistic appearance but would  not now for several reasons, (principally because I'm older now than I was then) and I'm happy with Kadees.

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Hi All and thanks for your comments.
I'm sorry that I haven't replied to some of your comments earlier but I am rather busy with other things at the moment.

I'll try and answer the queries on my next set of 4 days off when hopefully I can take some pictures to illustrate my replies.
Thanks for your patience.

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"what was the circular hole in the upper part of the door for"

So that the cows can see where they are going.

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"what was the circular hole in the upper part of the door for"

So that the cows can see where they are going.


Do the wagons move sideways then :roll:

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 Only after a major accident :mutley  Very nice work Frank :doublethumb

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John Flann wrote:
Frank, well done, but three questions:-

1, do you weight your stock, I find most UK wagons  too light for steady running.

2, for 3 link couplings what device do you use for coupling/uncoupling

3, and how convenient is it on your layout.

I have used them in the past and prefer their realistic appearance but would  not now for several reasons, (principally because I'm older now than I was then) and I'm happy with Kadees.


Hi John,
sorry for the long wait to answer the questions.

1 Yes I have added weight to the wagon. I have glued some brass strips to the floor of the cattle wagon. (I used brass because I just had some kicking about in the odds & ends box)

2 For coupling and uncoupling 3 link and other scale couplings I use these home made "shunter's poles"



A couple of penlight torches with added brass tube and wire to make a coupling/uncoupling device.

3 It can be awkward sometimes, just takes practice to do that's all.
the most difficult times are always at expo's when you have a crowd of punters watching!

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The next project on the work bench.

work continues off the layout, doing jobs for the new extension to Pen Y bont.

Following on from the engine shed the next logical item for the extension is the coaling stage.

The original staging at Aberaeron (the inspiration for Pen Y Bont) was a concrete block structure.
Now this I though was a little too boring, so, to make it a bit more interesting I've used the same design but made from local stone.

The model is made from 60 thou Pasticard (60 thou 'cos I had some scrap bits in the drawer) laminated with Slater's dressed stone effect.

Here's the model before painting.



and after a bit of fettling, painting, weathering and real coal added.





And there it is just waiting for some final bits like shovels and pick axes to be added to complete

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That's very nice Frank, lovely job :thumbs

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Yes - nice one Frank - looks the bees knees painted :thumbs


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you don`t mess about then ? :mutleythat is the biz, will look great with a loco taking on coal,
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That looks great Frank! The blacker you make it the better. I'll bet that after 20 or 30 years you wouldn't even be able to see the color of the stone. Maybe on the top edges from the rain washing off the coal dust.

Is that true? Does coal dust wash off that easily, or does it stain the surface? I'm guess I'm too young to know the answer to that! :roll:

Wayne

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Frank,
       Can I refer you back to Ianbo's original question in post 12....What WAS that circular hole in the door for???(I'm dying to know...I've noticed them on the N gauge ones too,and always wondered what they were for.)

John.B.:thumbs

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Wayne Williams wrote: That looks great Frank! The blacker you make it the better. I'll bet that after 20 or 30 years you wouldn't even be able to see the color of the stone. Maybe on the top edges from the rain washing off the coal dust.

Is that true? Does coal dust wash off that easily, or does it stain the surface? I'm guess I'm too young to know the answer to that! :roll:

Wayne


This might help, Swanage fuelling point [scroll down, on left].....


http://www.railwaypictures.co.uk/cat4.htm?page=4


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georgejacksongenius wrote:
Frank,
       Can I refer you back to Ianbo's original question in post 12....What WAS that circular hole in the door for???(I'm dying to know...I've noticed them on the N gauge ones too,and always wondered what they were for.)

John.B.:thumbs


Forgot about this one, sorry folks.
I think it is to provide access to the door latch. They are twin doors on the top and latch together in the middle. I don't reckon the cows are intelligent enough to suss it though :mutley

Doug,
thanks for that link in your post above.
All very interesting. I think I can safely tone mine down a bit more then without over doing it.
The pictures I presented earlier are a little over exposed really. In reality the stone work is a lot darker than it looks.
I've got a bit of time to spare today so SWMBO permitting I'll do a bit more work to it and post an updated picture.

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Nice Model Frank:thumbs 

 Did you research the design at all.............I ask because I am just about to start a coal stage for the TT area I am developing at Granby

I am inclined to agree it could be a bit grimier

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Frank, thanks for that earlier reply, yes, I used a coupling pole but with finer wire on a length of rail, I agree it does require a certain dexterity and the ability to get at the coupling. Couplings of that nature are undoubtedly more realistic even if hard on the back and eyesight.

I add 1/4oz weights to my wagons, they come in strips and look rather like those that can be used to balance a cars wheels. I'm not sure who makes them, but they can be readily got here in the US. I buy them from Jim's Junction, Billings, Montana, http://www.jimsjunction.com and John Olson offers a world wide service.


                 

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