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 Posted: Sat Jan 1st, 2011 09:31 pm
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As we start a new year I thought I would start a new thread.
This thread will from now on contain all my 4mm scale workbench jobs.
and to start off the new year here's the first job!

This is (was?) a Coopercraft GWR cattle wagon kit designed to build up to GWR diagram W1.
However that diagram is out of era for me so, I have modified the kit to make up a diagram W12 from the 1950's.

The pictures show fairly clearly my mods.
basically all the grey bits are original, everything else is modified.







The buffers are white metal cast ones and the brass bits are from a Mainly Trains etch.
3 hole disc wheels are fitted as well as screw link couplings.

Off to the paint shop next!

Cheers for now

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 Posted: Tue Jan 4th, 2011 11:35 am
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Looks good Dave.

Are the brake lever and running boards brass ?  They look yellow on my screen ............

on edit - Sorry, I should read what is there, not what I think is there ................:oops::oops:

Ignore me, I'll go away..........:roll:



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Thats very interesting Frank I have whole rake of these Cooper kits that I have been threatening to finish for at least 10 years .......The change in brake gear is very obvious

When was the W1 phased out and when was the W12 introduced?  One assumes there intermediate versions W2 thru 11 or similar 

You are a bit later than I so maybe I can get away without change in 1947?

Edit PS.......I thought the strip between the W frames was a built up strenghener, not a running board......  Coopers, if I recall correctly is very flimsy

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John Dew wrote: ..............................................................................

Edit PS.......I thought the strip between the W frames was a built up strenghener, not a running board......

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You may very well be right John !!! :oops::roll:



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John Dew wrote:
Thats very interesting Frank I have whole rake of these Cooper kits that I have been threatening to finish for at least 10 years .......The change in brake gear is very obvious

When was the W1 phased out and when was the W12 introduced?  One assumes there intermediate versions W2 thru 11 or similar 

You are a bit later than I so maybe I can get away without change in 1947?

Edit PS.......I thought the strip between the W frames was a built up strenghener, not a running board......  Coopers, if I recall correctly is very flimsy

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Hi John,
Just had a look in my Great Western wagons book.
The W1 cattle wagon was built between 1888 and the early 1920's There was also a W5 version which was vacuum braked.
I have no reference to any other diagram numbers up to W12.
The W12 started production in the mid 1930's and changed very little. The W16 looks identical I can't see any difference TBH but I think the max load was increased from 8tons to 12 Tons.

This design continued into production well after nationalisation and became the BR standard cattle wagon.

Peter, just to clarify.
The "yellow" bits are indeed brass parts. The "running board" between the W irons is a Tie Bar, used to prevent flexing of the W irons under braking.
Non Vac braked versions did not always have these tie bars.


Edit to add....
I also noticed that the pictures in my GWR wagon book had spoked wheels where as in other books I have 3 hole disc wheels are fitted.
So if you want to be pedantic or accurate I suggest looking at Paul Bartlett@s excellent web site http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/ there are dozzens of pictures there.
hope the info helps chaps.
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The W1 cattle wagon was built between 1888 and the early 1920's There was also a W5 version which was vacuum braked.

But Coopers provide vacuum connectors with the kit of the W1 and I thought thin strengtheners........is this so you can model the W5 or did the hose pass thru the vans even though they were not vacuum braked?

Hmm wish I hadnt started this.......I think I was better in ignorance!:lol::roll: 

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I also noticed that the pictures in my GWR wagon book had spoked wheels where as in other books I have 3 hole disc wheels are fitted.


I noticed the 3 hole discs and worried because I have spokes 
So if you want to be pedantic or accurate I suggest looking at Paul Bartlett@s excellent web site http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/ there are dozzens of pictures there.

Pedantic.......moi?  Never.......I specialise in broad brush:lol:

I will check out the site though.......thank you

 

 



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OK John,
Yes the Coopercraft kit will make either the W1 unfitted OR the W5 Vacuum fitted version.

I think the 3 hole disc wheels were only fitted to wagons made in BR days. Certainly all those I've seen were fitted with 3 hole discs.

TBH I only made the kits up (I have 2 now) for something to do. Now that Bachman produce one RTR I won't build another. I'll just detail a Bachmann one if I want anymore.

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Where there are brake shoes either side of a each wheel, there is no need for an axle box tie bar. It was there, broadly,  to stop the wheels moving on their springs away from the brake shoe  during application on the move.

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I can't believe it's been over six weeks since I first started this job!

I finally managed to finish the cattle wagon and here it is.
At last!


Painted, transfers and weathered.

On to the next job, at my rate of work it will be another two months!

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And very nice it is too Frank. Well worth waiting for.



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I couldn't agree with those sentiments more Frank. :thumbs

That is a really good looking wagon - could be the proper thing and very well worth the wait.:cheers



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Congratulations on a beautiful build Dave.:thumbs

May be a silly question, but what was the circular hole in the upper part of the door for?  



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Excellent job Frank  :thumbs:thumbs

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Frank, well done, but three questions:-

1, do you weight your stock, I find most UK wagons  too light for steady running.

2, for 3 link couplings what device do you use for coupling/uncoupling

3, and how convenient is it on your layout.

I have used them in the past and prefer their realistic appearance but would  not now for several reasons, (principally because I'm older now than I was then) and I'm happy with Kadees.



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Hi All and thanks for your comments.
I'm sorry that I haven't replied to some of your comments earlier but I am rather busy with other things at the moment.

I'll try and answer the queries on my next set of 4 days off when hopefully I can take some pictures to illustrate my replies.
Thanks for your patience.

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"what was the circular hole in the upper part of the door for"

So that the cows can see where they are going.



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"what was the circular hole in the upper part of the door for"

So that the cows can see where they are going.


Do the wagons move sideways then :roll:



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 Only after a major accident :mutley  Very nice work Frank :doublethumb



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John Flann wrote:
Frank, well done, but three questions:-

1, do you weight your stock, I find most UK wagons  too light for steady running.

2, for 3 link couplings what device do you use for coupling/uncoupling

3, and how convenient is it on your layout.

I have used them in the past and prefer their realistic appearance but would  not now for several reasons, (principally because I'm older now than I was then) and I'm happy with Kadees.


Hi John,
sorry for the long wait to answer the questions.

1 Yes I have added weight to the wagon. I have glued some brass strips to the floor of the cattle wagon. (I used brass because I just had some kicking about in the odds & ends box)

2 For coupling and uncoupling 3 link and other scale couplings I use these home made "shunter's poles"



A couple of penlight torches with added brass tube and wire to make a coupling/uncoupling device.

3 It can be awkward sometimes, just takes practice to do that's all.
the most difficult times are always at expo's when you have a crowd of punters watching!

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The next project on the work bench.

work continues off the layout, doing jobs for the new extension to Pen Y bont.

Following on from the engine shed the next logical item for the extension is the coaling stage.

The original staging at Aberaeron (the inspiration for Pen Y Bont) was a concrete block structure.
Now this I though was a little too boring, so, to make it a bit more interesting I've used the same design but made from local stone.

The model is made from 60 thou Pasticard (60 thou 'cos I had some scrap bits in the drawer) laminated with Slater's dressed stone effect.

Here's the model before painting.



and after a bit of fettling, painting, weathering and real coal added.





And there it is just waiting for some final bits like shovels and pick axes to be added to complete

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