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My very good friend Doug has now delivered the promised baseboards - he has built in one week what it would have taken me months to do! What's more, as a professional in the building industry, he has produced something far more professional than I could do; the carpentry is superb.

I have started to play around with track to check that what I have drawn on my plans will actually work and, so far, the indications are that it will do so rather better than I had hoped.

I have to start with the London Underground tracks which will form a self-contained double track circuit on the lower level, with two crossovers and two loops to store extra trains. Trains will be of four, five or maybe six coach lengths. Where the three car CO/CP train is sitting is where the island platform will be. The outer loops are for storing one train each and will not have platform faces.

After that, the upper double track circuit will represent British Rail main lines with eight storage loops at the rear (hence the eight lengths of track in the pictures at the far end demonstrating that they will easily fit the space). Most of the loops will be able to hold an eight car EMU or a loco with seven coaches. The loops (which double as a fiddle yard) will be on open display so will be ballasted eventually. There will probably be no station on these lines, although I had also thought of modelling an abandoned/derelict station.

All this is in a sort of L-shaped dumbell, so no duck-unders required. To reach the farthest places, Doug has thoughtfully put everything on castors.

The first pics were taken after dark so have a little bit of a colour cast to them - I have only partially corrected this.
















Doug delivered it on Christmas Eve. What a great Christmas present. Now most of the rest is up to me, although here are a few corners to trim later - Doug deliberately left them so I could have room to move with the track laying and scenic ideas.

 

The heavier locomotives are holding the lengths of track in place (very roughly!) while the two class 166 driving coaches are the longest and widest vehicles I have so will be used for all gauging and clearance purposes.

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He's done a nice job of them, Jeff.  It looks like you've lashed out with new curtains and a paint job as well.  Having seen your old layout in the flesh, I'm sure this one's going to be great.  :thumbs

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Thanks Max. Doug has done a lovely job on the woodwork. If you remember my old layout, I was responsible for the crime of the carpentry.

The orange curtains are quite old and have been there since the year dot! Agnes put up the blue curtains only a few days ago so they are brand new. We had a painter in to redo the ceiling in our sitting room (which was the old train room where you saw the original layout) so Agnes had him repaint the end wall in the new train room at the same time.

I will scan a version of the track plan in soon, although I should point out that I haven't finalised how I'm going to do the loco shed and sidings yet so any drawings of that area are still works of fiction.

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I have now scanned in two variations of the trackplan. The final version has featues from both. The first one is more accurate regarding board sizes while the second better represents the track layout along the narrow stretch, with the Underground station. Both have ideas sketched in for scenic features and the loco shed and sidings - I may or may not use these ideas. The rear upper level loops are better represented in the first plan.

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Looks like you have fair old project on yer hands there Jeff, be interesting to see it progress

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I have been playing with track and formations and it all seems to work. I have now come up with a variation for the Underground, where it could return in the corner of the "L" forming a simpler oval. I used some Hornby set track 20" radius curves to check the clearance and it would work if I want to go that way. It would also give more room for sidings in the engine shed area.

Yet more ideas to ponder!

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Looks good Jeff, plenty of space to play with.  I like the Underground O/P stock train, may I ask what make it is?

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The curves are showing already, bon courage!

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Janner wrote:
Looks good Jeff, plenty of space to play with.  I like the Underground O/P stock train, may I ask what make it is?


Thanks.

The CO/CP stock is really Harrow Models Q38 stock but I have modified one DM with no end vent and numbered all accordingly. The Harrow Models kits were white metal and are still available from their designer, Phil Radley (Radley Models http://www.radleymodels.co.uk/). He has also modifed most of the kits to have one-piece resin bodies rather than the multi-piece white metal parts - each CO/CP/Q38 car has six pieces for each side; the F stock is worse!

That three-car set is unpowered and I am using it for gauging purposes, mainly to set train lengths for the storage loops and platforms for five or six cars. The remaining two-car unit is powered by two Black Beetle motors. DCC-ing it is going to be interesting!

Next I'll be setting up eight BR mark 1 coaches to represent two 4CEP units along the back so I can see how long I need to make those storage loops for the main lines - the drawings have really been pure guess work so far.

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Good progress Jeff and some interesting ideas on where the layout might go. One thing about running underground stock is that the short car lengths make possible some really quite tight curves (as indeed is found on the real thing albeit here it is the curves which dictate car length) so 20" Setrack would almost be generous!

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Looking good Jeff. As a matter of interest the real Class 166 are the widest stock to run on BR as well, having been built to take advantage of the generous loading gauge of the GWR (a legacy of that nice Brunel chap who had the foresight to recognise we would need large trains in the future!).

 

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Watching with interest jeff .  Keep the old curtains they may come in handy for hanging on the base boards to cover the storage area below.

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Here's the plan showing the alternate route for the Underground I mentioned earlier.




Also, a few photos showing the board framework and L-girder construction.












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... and now some further progress with the track laying. I have cut and fitted the track for the Underground station area on the far side of what will be the platform. Nothing is pinned down at this stage (hence all the heavy Heljan and Bachmann locomotives anchoring the track; fixing it will have to await delivery of the new points from Hattons, plus cutting out the holes for the point motors and painting the boards. As can be seen, I have clearance for up to six-car LT trains in the loops.

In the background you may notice an eight-coach pseudo- SR EMU. That was also for gauging purposes to see how long the storage loops have to be  as it turns out, my drawings and sketches have proved to be pretty close to the mark. The train itself consists of a half-built 4BEP, using Southern Pride pre-coloured sides and MJT driving ends on old Triang-Hornby mark 1 underframes, and four ordinary mark 1 coaches (three x Bachmann and 1 x modified and repainted Mainline).









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Looking very good there Jeff and with particular reference to the carpentry skills. That's a fair bit of work gone into the boards alone. Are those the ones you had custom-made?

Looking forward to seeing how the rest of this project develops.

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Thanks Rick. Doug built them to my size and shape specifications, with some corners still left on for trimming later. The method of construction was of his own choosing and is strong but heavy ... that suits me fine! There are still some bits of MDF to be delivered / collected to fill in the gaps and provide the high level support. I have enough to go on with while Doug and his family are on holiday on the Gold Coast. :)

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Our feline companion Toby decided to inspect the new works, especially as I have allowed him into the train room while he can't damage anything - normally the doors are hooked closed so he can't get in. He loves the trains running, even more so if they have sound (we nicknamed him TechnoCat since he also loves computers and the laser printers when they are turned on).

When I was running the old layout I had to unhook at least one of the doors. Toby just shoves the sliding door aside and walks in to watch and play.

For the time being I have temporarily hooked up a short test track of 4 yards of Peco flexible track with flying leads from one of my Power Cabs. Toby heard me running trains up and down this test track and this was the result:
















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EDIT: attempted to fix the aspect ratio on a couple of the pics.

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Not sure whether he is more interested in the green 4CAT units (SR code for Can Attack This:mutley) or the red CAT stock which resembles COP stock but is fitted with PAW control :thumbs:pathead

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Our Abysinian Pussles, pounces on the trains, so she is not allowed on the layout anymore since the Great Train Wreck of 2010.

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Yes, Toby liked to push the trains around so he was only allowed in if I hung onto him tightly while he watched the trains!

Rick, he was most interested in the blue class 33 CAT just behind the plank because it was making loud noises!

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:lol: good photos and progress, Jeff. It looks to be very well built.

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Nothing quite like a shiny new base board to be creative on, looking forward to seeing this develop Jeff.

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Very nice Jeff, Doug's done a nice job of your boards.  Will have to pop round and have a look once the dust settles on my place. 

 

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Thanks for the comments. Marty, you are both welcome to drop in at any time - that applies to anyone else who happens to visit Melbourne.

Neil, of course, that welcome extends to you too but I know it is much easier for you to get here!! How did the move go? I tried calling you on Friday but you must have already been in the process of moving out. I gather your layout has now gone, so I'd guess you'll be going through the same process around next Christmas time!

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I decided to start on the tracklaying at the right-hand end as this will be plain track. First I painted the boards with dark grey acrylic paint. This seals the MDF and also hides a multitude of sins!  ;-)


First pic shows an overall view from the doorway, with the newly laid track. Note that the crossover points are not pinned down yet so I cannot do the final adjustments to the alignment yet. With this in mind, the track pins are only pushed in far enough to allow rolling stock to pass. The back tracks are not yet pinned as I intend to put cork underlay along there too. For the Underground tracks where they are near tunnel mouths and in the open, I am laying the tracks straight onto the boards, as I really want the loud rumble of the trains at those places!




Sorry about all the tracklaying paraphernalia still on the boards! It is an ongoing job, so I did not want to clear everything off at this stage. :roll:



This shows the temporary track feed from my Power Cab, allowing me to test run a couple of trains. Clearances were set using the two non-powered driving coaches from a Bachmann class 166 unit, the longest and widest stock available.




Finally, the first LT Underground train to run, at the end of the line. I spent some hours soldering a TCS T1 decoder into the double-motored car (second from the front in the pic), making sure I got all the polarities correct for the two opposite facing Black Beetles. It works like a dream! :cool:





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:hiJeff, Great set of baseboards and your layout is going to be great, I see Toby likes electric mice :lol: My cat Meow calls into the railway room every day and leaves in disgust, nothing running yet!

Those last photo,s with work gear made me feel at home:thumbs

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Thanks for the comments, Derek.

Toby has taken to sleeping under the layout. He will be very put out when I start locking the doors to keep him out! At the moment, he wakes up if he hears something running and hops up via the window sill to see what's going on.  :mutley :mutley

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That is looking promising Jeff. A decent run for the underground stock will be a bonus - do you intend to model the full 4-rail details? The cable runs and trackwork for that could be quite demanding.

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Hi Rick. Yes, it will be nice to give the LT stock a decent run - up to now they have only had a short shuttle or the very rare run on the main lines of the old layout.

I have a couple of hundred white metal cable hangers to start with but will probably need to order more before I am done. I do intend to have third and fourth rail and, with a couple of friends in the P4 Society, I will be able to acquire some conductor rail ramps for use around the points. I have not decided whether to just lay the third and fourth rails directly onto the sleepers, using code 100 rail, or to go the extra and add chairs and use code 60 or 75 rail. Either way, I want to make sure the conductor rails are level with, or slightly below, the running rail surfaces for ease of cleaning and maintenance (past experience here!).

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I would think Code 60 suitably-coloured would be the go as it is designed for the purpose. It can even sit in purpose-designed "pots". I am aware that this is a rather different profile to the juice rails and pots used by LT but then so is Code 100 running rail ....... ;-)

I still harbour a fond hope that I can at some time power EMU stock from a third rail but with the new 2011 prices for such items there isn't going to be much added to the train cupboard in the near future and the SR-themed layout is probably at least a year away still.

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I have been doing a little more track laying. It still looks likethe photos in post #25 above but I have now put the cork underlay along the back straight and pinned the track down.

I have rearranged the boards in the corner and laid some 3rd radius Hornby set track temporarily so I can mark the boards for cutting the centre well (for access later when the tracks will be under cover).

At least the LT tracks are only in the open for a small portion of the whole run so I won't have a large amount of third and fourth rail to lay. I am inclined to agree with Rick's last post and go for the code 60 rail in Peco "pots". As he said, the rail section is not really correct for London Transport but I think I can live with that! :hmm

Once I work out how much code 60 I'm going to need I'll order it from Brunel Models here in Melbourne as postage can be a bit of a killer where lengths of rail are concerned! All of the code 100 plain track came from the same source - Mary de la Lande quoted a very good price on the four boxes I bought (that's 100 yards of track!).

Points, on the other hand, were ordered from a certain "box shifter" in northern England (Liverpool!!) as the cost over here is not at all competitive.

I'm not sure how many point motors I will have to order as I still have a substantial number intended for, but never used on, the previous layout.

I have added insulated joiners around the middle of the back straight so the LT circuits will be divided into three electrical sections each for the inner and outer tracks (is this part of the Circle Line??  ;-) ).

For test purposes I have rigged up a two wire feed to each track and some very temporary jumpers to bridge the insulated gaps. I have trundled a variety of trains up and down the tracks at low and high speeds. The ultimate test was to put on half a dozen of my most unreliable four-wheeled wagons and pull and propel them around the layout at increasing speeds with various locomotives. Even at full speed in reverse, there were no derailments, so I'm very happy with the track laying at the moment.  :Happy  There was one minor casualty though; one of my kit-built china clay wagons lost a coupling in the process, although it still didn't derail.

The only other casualty was the plank standing at the back for clearance testing: Toby decided to pop his head through the curtain and give the COP stock a little prod as it passed by and he accidentally pulled the plank off the layout with quite a thud - needless to say, he gave himself quite a scare!  :lol:

Once I have done some more work and it actually looks a bit different to those last photos, I'll take some more pics and post them here.

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Hi Jeff good to read about your track laying progress and testing, Even if Toby and his great paw from the sky is causing mayhem!
I am myself at a similar stage fixing track, wireing electro points and learning my way around Seeps.
Also waiting on track and point delivery.
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Thanks Derek. Good luck with your layout building as well.  :cool:

I think the hardest part is being patient and doing things in the right order. I can lay the plain track but need to cut the boards or track bases first then paint them. That means laying the track temporarily, then marking it out, lifting it again and doing the cutting and painting. Next, where there are points, one has to add cutting holes for point motors (or, if mounting them below the boards, cutting the slots for the actuators), then painting, then mounting the motors on the points with bits of card (also painted!) to hide the holes. I intend to solder the wires to the motors as well before fitting the points into their places, then use the "chocolate block" connectors to join the wires up to the main wiring runs.

Before all that with the point laying, I also want to make sure I prepare them for DCC!

Concurrently, I have to solder dropper wires to the plain track and connect those to the main wiring runs. Overall wiring will be radial rather than using buses. This also suits the simplified cab control for DC usage.

After that I want to paint the rails (something I regret not doing with the previous layout).

Third, and third and fourth rail laying could occur before or after painting the main running rails but, whichever way it goes, those will also need painting.

While doing all this on the lower level, I am also thinking ahead for the upper level track beds, boards and supports and also accessibility for the lower level after the upper level is in place. Thinking three-dimensionally can give one a headache at times!! :hmm

At the moment, with students and teachers having returned to school, and a technician who has decided to move us off Novell and on to Microsoft (with good reasons, I should add) means that time is a bit tight with longer hours required to get things running or converted, and sort out the bugs. Add to that we have to prepare 400-odd new netbooks for students, that means the longer hours apply to the next three weeks.  :brickwall

While that means layout building time is reduced, it  means that the hobby comes as a welcome relief to the stresses of work. 

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Just a small amount of extra progress to report. I have cut the board for the left hand end of the LT circuit. I also cut several short lengths of the support boards for the upper level. None of it is screwed down yet. The curved track you see is Hornby third radius set track I am using as a template for the minimum radius - it will be replaced by Peco flexible track when I lay it properly.

I have also started soldering some of the feed wires along the previous sections. There is lots more to do but it allows me to continue running test trains along those sections.

The track with locomotives on crossing at the bottom of the picture gives an idea of the alignment of the upper level tracks to come.

The supports at the left of the picture will be cut back a bit to match the way I have cut the board surface there.



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I have made further progress since the last posting. As I am now in the middle of a two-week holiday I have been able to do more painting and track-laying (last week) and wiring (today). The holiday was "interrupted" by three days travelling along the Great Ocean Road though. Sad, innit??

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I have laid track to half way along the station loops and wired the three points at the right-hand end on the inner circuit ... one of those is an extra one leading to a storage siding inside the curve. This will be outside of the tunnel so will have to have high retaining walls, at least on the tunnel side of the track. I still have two points on the outer circuit to wire at the right-hand end, and four at the left-hand end to lay and wire, together with the remaining track.

No pics yet but they will follow in the next couple of days.

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Here are the promised photos of the progress. The trains in the station loops were all driven there under their own power, notwithstanding the fact that some of the points were not fully wired and, therefore, had dead sections through the frogs. I deliberately tested those that had been through wired using my Hornby 09 shunter as its wheelbase was shorter than the dead sections. Locos with longer electrical pickup wheelbases were able to drive through the dead sections with no problems at all.

The extra curved siding can be seen in the foreground of some of the pics and is able to take a five-car Underground set - I can't quite get six cars in without tightening the radius to 18" or so (2nd radius for train set curves) but that is a compromise I'm not prepared to make.

The station buildings are perched precariously on bits of wood at approximately platform height to check clearances. The holes where the point motors and switches are mounted will be covered with stiff card.

As it is a work still in progress, I make no apologies for the tools and bits of wire lying all over the place!

Track laying continues, as does the work of wiring it to at least get things running for Saturday's AMRA visits.

 



 





 



 

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It looks like you're taking your time and doing it well, Jeff.  :thumbs

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:hiJeff Your railway is coming along a treat and has the look of work being done:thumbs

Have a good meeting .

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what they said, and I bet you are enjoying it all really.
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Coming on very well Jeff, this is going to be a cracking layout :doublethumb

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Thank you, everyone, for the encouragement and kind comments.

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This new layout will keep you from wandering the streets then Jeff!!

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The way the Melbourne weather is at the moment, I think I'm glad to be indoors and doing something useful! Today, I completed the wiring for the points at the right hand end of the layout and added a few more track feeds as well.

Four more points to go and a couple of feet of track and I'll be able to run trains continuously.

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Today I laid the last pieces of track then marked out the holes for the point motors. While I haven't connected the last few wires to the micro-switches yet, or added a couple more track feeds, I test ran  train on each circuit as I completed them and, to my surprise, they ran perfectly throughout, although I know the 09 shunter won't yet make it through because of its short wheelbase.

The following pics show the first, inner London Transport circuit connected up.





Then the second, outer LT circuit was connected up and Lion ran with a short parcels train.
















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The AMRA visits were quite successful yesterday, with no major disasters while the visitors were here - I did cause one accident before anyone arrived when I forgot to change a point, though!

I placed a few buildings alongside the tracks and a couple of tunnel mouths and a bridge to represent the extent of the visible area once the upper tracks go in. I did take a couple of photos so will post them soon.

So far, the only real problems I have encountered are with Hornby's classes 50 and 30/31, which tend to force lighter wagons or coaches off the track on some curves. This seems to be because of the coupling problem reported on several forums. I'll have to look into a short-term solution. Longer term, it shouldn't be such a problem as the main line curves will be a little gentler.

After the last car load had left, I ran a few trains purely for my own pleasure.

It is so nice to be able to run trains again!

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Here are some photos of the layout pretty much as the AMRA visitors saw it on Saturday 14th May (pics taken on 16th May). The tunnel mouths are close to where they should be in the greater plan, although they are definitely not the final appearance! Otherwise, most of the scenic items bear little resemblance to what will eventually be in their places. The road vehicles and nissen huts are where there will be viaducts and embankments carrying the main lines. There may also be a road with a level crossing over the main lines and bridge over the LT lines but the final position will vary from the bridge placed for effect here.















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just a teensy bit!  :mutley :mutley

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Jeff your layout seems to be progressing well, who makes the "Nissan" huts that are shon in your last set of shots ?

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The nissen huts are straight out of the box Hornby Skaledale units, Bozzy.

I note with interest that Bachmann are also going to release a slightly different design in their Scenecraft range.

Thanks for the comment, too.

 

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I've just caught up with this layout Jeff and I really have been impressed by what I've seen. :thumbs

There's obviously a lot of effort gone into it so far and it's going to be great when it's finished.

I love the tube stock - and the "Lion" and the "High Street" - oh and the nissen huts look good and .............I could go on but you get the general idea that I like it !!!

You do seem to have a fairly healthy loco stud ....:roll::roll:

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Thanks for the kind comments, Peter.

As with many modellers, I have way too many locomotives for the size of my layout! Most of those in the pic have sound fitted so were "on hand" for any requests from the visitors.

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Hi Jeff,

 

I followed your old layout on another forum before I joined this one ( I assume there is only one SR Man who lives in OZ).   This new one is coming on nicely.

I am one of the many who has far more locos than could possible run on the layout - I put it down to retail therapy ( added by certian train shops in the North of England;-)  )

I like the look of the terrace houses are they scratchbuilt?

 

 

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Hi Dave.

Your guess is correct: I appear on several forums (fora??) under the same name - it's a lot less confusing for me!! :mutley

The terraced buildings (houses and shops) are Scenix, by Pocketbond. They are not too bad but lack refinements like see-through windows, which you do find on Hornby's Skaledale and Bachmann's Scenecraft ranges.

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Next installment: Doug dropped over today with the hinged lift-up fiddle yard board for the upper level and helped install it ... more specifically, he installed it and I assisted! He even pre-painted it for me.

I will have to trim parts of the front edges to suit the track layout below but this is minor compared to all the hard work Doug has put into my layout.





There were two trains in motion when I took these shots, using my new DSLR camera (I still have my 'L' plates on for using that!). The trains are a pair of blue Bachmann 2EPB units (consisted) and a Bachmann green 4CEP unit.

The plate girder bridge over the far end of the LT station represents an approximate alignment for the overhead tracks of the main lines although the proper structure will be double-tracked.

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:thumbsNice one Jeff, Its good to have friends .

Your railway is really taking shape  and the overhead mainline will certainly add to operating and visual interest.

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Looking good Jeff......it seems to have come on really fast:thumbs

Like me I bet you will be glad to run proper trains:lol:

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Very interesting.
Good luck with the ballasting.

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I have been blessed to have Doug as a friend. His carpentry skills are everything mine are not!

The main lines will have a bit more operational potential than the Underground lines, although the track design allows me to reverse services from any of the through lines.

Ballasting it all is going to be such fun ... NOT! The fiddle yard is going to be open to view so all of that will have to be ballasted as well. Laying third rail through all of the main lines and fiddle yard is also going to be a challenge as is the task of laying third and foourth rail over the visible parts of the Underground. Peco will love me by the time I'm finished!

John, it has come on faster than I could have hoped, although much of that is due to Doug's generosity. While I can run trains now, the practical length is severely restricted by the loop and siding lengths. I'll certainly be happeir still when I can run full-length trains.

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Great layout and you have made considerable progress. I like the island platform building which reminds me of the station at Harrow-on-the-Hill. Is it scratch built?

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No, the station buildings are from Bachmann Scenecraft straight out of the box. I was going to scratchbuild them to that style, then Bachmann very conveniently announced they were going to make them!

I do intend weathering them eventually. The platforms will be built properly in due course - the plank off-cuts are merely place holders.

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Very nice Jeff, it's come along a bit since I last saw it.

Hopefully I'll see it at the next meeting.

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Hi Neil and welcome back to the rea world!! Hope you had  a good trip.

We'll look forward to seeing you in July, or pop around earlier if you feel like it, perhaps while checking progress on the new house. Surprised we didn't see you at Doug's BRMA meeting last weekend.

I hope to have a little more progress for my meeting but I can say with reasonable certainty that I will not have got the upper circuits completed by then!

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Hi Jeff,  I just got back on Sunday morning so just missed Doug's meeting.   Still very jet lagged and Sarah's working this weekend.  So I'll see what's happening the following week.  Certainly looks like loads of progress has been made on your layout.  Still thinking about mine.

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I have just spent most of the evening, after work, rewiring and soldering two DPDT switches in to the track feeds, to allow me to connect a DC controller to each track. There are no isolating switches at this stage and the DPDT switches were what I had to hand and don't have a centre off position - ideally, when I set up the conrol panel, I'll add even more wiring to allow each section of track to be isolated as well as being able to switch each circuit to DC or DCC.

The DC controller will be an old but very reliable Hammant & Morgan Duette.

The reason for all this is that I am now hosting a BRMA meeting on Saturday 16th July. I volunteered at short notice because the original host, my very good friend Roger T (BRMA members will know who I mean) suffered a heart attack at the Brandon Park exhibition in June. While he is recovering well, we thought it was not wise to put on him the extra strain of holding the meeting so soon after the event. Incidentally, I bought the previously mentioned H & M Duette off of Roger a good many years ago.

While I am not entirely ready to host, I'll manage to fumble through. The main thing is that the trains are operable and if anyone brings a normal DC locomotive along, I can still run it, although it means clearing any other locomotives or motorised items off the selected track.No further photos at this stage - I don't really want to show off the tangle of wires!!  :hmm As I refine things, though, I intend to tidy the wiring properly. At least the colour-coding helped me to do the reconnections without too much difficulty.

If I get the chance, I hope to cut the next bit of the upper section before the meeting. I may even get some paint on it beforehand, if I'm lucky!

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Additional: I have now completed and tested the wiring for the DCC/DC changeover and all is now ready for tomorrow's meeting!

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Thanks Ron. We had nearly 20 people here today and the layout behaved perfectly, including the DC operation. I got to run Rick's (gwiwer) new weathered 2EPB for a while. It made an interesting contrast to my pristine green EPB which arrived two days ago but to which I only fitted a decoder last night. Mine was actually still doing a running-in turn as the first guests arrived.

This morning, before anyone arrived, I trimmed the upper board at the end to nearer the correct shape and part-painted it.



The bridge in the foregound and tracks curving round to the left are purely to give a rough idea of the alignment of the upper level tracks when I get to lay them properly. The bridge will, of course, be double tracked. The "proper" curves will be a little gentler than the third radius ones I have used for show.

Here's another shot but with the green 2EPB still running-in - it had been running continuously fo a couple of hours by this time but still exhibited a little tightness that was not apparent in any of my othe EPBs/CEPs.



Here are a couple of overall views showing how it now looks, as prepared for the BRMA meeting. Once again, the green EPB is travelling around.





And finally (for now), the temporary switch panel. It is a piece of 20 thou plasticard, hot glued to the boards, with the two DPDT switches screwed in. I printed up labels this morning to help avoid any confusion.








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My thanks to Jeff (and Agnes) for hosting today's gathering at short notice. My attendance was also only possible at very short notice but it's always good to meet fellow modellers and share tips, thoughts and friendship.

Seeing the layout in operation is also a bonus which we cannot replicate through the medium of an online board.

Highlights for me would have to be the CP stock (underground train) which is an extremely competent build and runs very smoothly, together with the variety of SR EMU types present.

There are some good looking kits under construction as well.

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It was a pleasure to see you again, Rick. As host, it is always difficult to catch up with everyone at these meetings.

Unfortunately, I have rather too many half-built projects, although several of them are actually runnable even though they are incomplete.

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:thumbsWell done Jeff, Your railway is coming along nicely and I am glad you had a good meeting with your railway group.

No sign of your furry friend Toby, Is he banned?

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Toby buried himself in the spare bedroom. :lol: He tends to be a bit shy around strangers, although he did surface briefly to have some food in the kitchen. He kept a wary eye on the visitors though, ready to scuttle off to his room again if anyone moved something as small as a finger.

He hasn't been banished yet as he has, so far, proved not to be destructive around the trains.

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I have now been running trains and leaving them to run for several hours a day over the last week. This has allowed me to sort out any troublesome locomotives or stock. Thankfully, I have only had to set aside a few items for fixing, anything from lubricating them to sticking coupling mechanisms to dirty or faulty pickups.

I can now confidently leave things running and walk away, coming back later to find all is still well. It has been fun running a variety of stock, old and modern, some of which hasn't had a proper run for quite some time.

Today, I cut a piece of MDF and some supports to fill the upper section between the end of the lifting section of the fiddle yard and the fixed corner board. It is not yet screwed down nor is it painted.

The train running past has a Bachmann BR Standard class 4 2-6-0 76069 hauling a short mixed goods train of the 1960s. Included at the end of this train is my kit-built SR "Pill Box" brake van, of the type that was recently announced by Bachmann for release this year or next year. Mine is a Cambrian kit.





Also, the same train, as seen from the other end of the layout.






At the time, I had a Hornby class 50, 50 035 "Ark Royal" running in the other direction with a blue/grey set of Bachmann BR mark 1 and 2 stock.




The overbridge is there purely to give an idea of the upper level track alignment.

Earlier on, I was running several Hornby/Lima hybrid class 73 Electro-Diesels. One of these, E6012, in the early BR blue with grey skirts is seen on an engineers train of ballast wagons, topped and tailed by "Shark" ballast plough brake vans. The heavily weathered one at the end of the train is also a Cambrian kit, and just ahead of it is a kit-built "Grampus" wagon with no markings on it (must get around to doing that!).










The same train at the other end of the layout.




And the one I thorughly enjoyed running as being a little different; the LSWR M7 0-4-4T, 252, with a three coach SR Maunsell set (Hornby) in fully lined out livery.



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It's coming along really well Jeff. Having the ability to leave things running and knowing that they will do that and not simply stall must be a big step forward in both the rolling stock and civil engineering departments.

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Work is still continuing but at a slightly more "relaxed" pace. This is partly due to my having a pinched nerve in my neck which has affected my right arm and index and second fingers. I am avoiding the heavier carpentry work but I have been busy painting the rails and adding card covers over all the baseboard holes under the points.

I have completed painting around 80% of what will be visible track on the Underground. I will be measuring up and ordering some code 60 rail shortly to do the third and fourth rails (more @#%$^@&$ rails to paint!!!). Doug, who did the major part of the board construction, is currently winging his way to Britain and Europe; included in that trip is a visit to the ScaleForum exhibition, so I have given him some money with instructions to purchase some of the ScaleFour third rail end ramps (he is a member of that society anyway).

The other minor improvement I have made, however temporary, is to prop some of my brick retaining wall mouldings up at one end of the station area, towards the tunnel mouth, plus pasting some old Superquick brick paper to the piece of wood acting as a bridge support. This gives me a better backdrop for photography and I have a few more pictures sitting in the camera awaiting upload (coming soon to a monitor near you!!   ;-) ).

As soon as I figure out how to extract them from the video camera, I also have a couple of videos taken on the layout. My desktop computer is currently blue-screening (yes, that's right, the dreaded BSODs ... Blue Screens Of Death!) due to a hardware fault that I haven't quite pinned down yet. I am working through a process of elimination and I strongly suspect it is the power supply unit at fault. The problem here is that most of the software I need for extracting the video and editing it is on that desktop computer. I am posting from the laptop. which is a competent computer but doesn't have all of my really powerful software (I deliberately keep it less cluttered and  encumbered as it is also used occasionally for my work in IT Support at a high school).

Even as I type this I can hear the trains running happily around the layout - I have turned the sounds on for both the BR Standard 5 and an Electro-Diesel currently hauling Pullman train and a slightly anachronistic tanker train, respectively.

A few days ago, I left the Hornby Arthur Sir Gawaine running with two utility vans and a Maunsell 3-set while I went off and did other things. I came back an hour later to find it still running perfectly well with the locomotive and utility vans pushing the 3-set of coaches around - the coupling between the last utility van and the coaches had obviously let go at some point and the engine had come around and buffered up (no coupling on the front) and just kept going. The sprung buffers on both locomotive and coaches must have absorbed the impact and there was no sign of buffers overriding each other or locking, which means my transition curves must be working properly (which is nice to know!).

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Here are a few of the photos referred to in my previous post.

Firstly a night shot with the Bachmann 2EPBs occupying the station. Also running were a Bachmann 4CEP and a train of Hornby Pullmans, all with lights on. The rear one is running solo but the front pair of units are running in multiple (consisted).



Next, a Lima Electro-Diesel but fitted with a Hornby mechanism and Howes' sound, hauling a train of tank wagons from a slightly earlier era. This shows the newly painted track and also the new cover plates of card over the holes where the point motors are fitted. I have also shifted the temporary programming track so it is less obtrusive.



And now, two shots of the Bachmann 2EPBs, also showing the painted rails, etc.






Painting the rails has alerted me to one advantage of wiring the points fully for DCC with the microswitches: I can paint the point blades and stock rails completely without having to worry about keeping any electrical contact between them.

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During the last week, I decided to try out some new ballasting materials on a small section at one end of the LT circuit. I'm not yet happy with the result, although this is only the first layer and is a bit uneven anyway. I think I need to darken the colours a bit as well as weathering the ballast.





Then, today, I decided to get stuck into trimming the upper level back to its final shape. It was out with the jigsaw, after first clearing all the stock and track off the upper boards. I had already marked it out with a pencil a few months ago and I also enlisted some help from my wife to hold the hinged section open while I trimmed off the vertical support board.

I also trimmed a bit off the overhang where the LT track loop runs through behind the island platform line. The next job will be to paint the hurricane grey over all the newly exposed timber.

The majority of the triangular end section became the lower level in-fill as shown in the next photo and the last few shots.



















There is my usual mixed-up period combination of trains and road vehicles.

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There is my usual mixed-up period combination of trains and road vehicles.

Jeff, that often happens when  the Tardis is used instead of the 1955 Morris Minor to travel around in.

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Ron, the Tardis is sitting right next to that Volvo Ailsa bus in the photos!  :cool wink

I have now painted the exposed woodwork and experimented with more buildings and their positioning. The village area will be on a rising gradient towards the rear but, even on the flat, I can get an idea of what I need to fit in.

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With a few days off over Christmas and New Year, I have started on the London Transport island platform. I have some light plastic board formed from two layers of thin plasticard with a series of lengthwise plastic cross braces and thought this would make a light but strong framework for the platform.

To face the side pieces, I am using some embossed card brickwork from Vollmer, the first few of which are shown in a couple of the pics. Although it was labelled for N scale, I think the brick card is much closer to OO/HO scale in appearance. I have set the sides 15mm high, and am cutting more of the card just two brick courses deep with the intention of adding them along the tops of the platform sides to form a projecting ledge for the card platform top surfaces to sit on. I have used some extra strips as cross supports but will also use some strips of the card intended for the top surfaces as well.

The brickwork is much too pristine at the moment but I will weather it down a bit later.

These photos show the intermediate stage to the point where I stopped work for the night. More to follow as I progress further. Modern heavy diesel models (plus a Wrenn/Hornby Dublo West Country steamer used earlier!) make very good weights to hold things in place while the glue sets!












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Well it's definitely strong enough Jeff, thank goodness because those three engineers sure don't know where they are going. :roll:

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Hi Wayne. I wanted it to be strong enough to take some weight if I lean on it occasionally. Superquick platforms may only be card but they are super-strong so I am taking a leaf from their book for my own construction techniques.

Here are more photos showing the progress since yesterday. The top surfaces still need a little trimming and cleaning up and also clearances for longer stock checked before gluing down so are still loose at this stage.


























I'll be pre-painting the platform surfaces on both sides with the dark grey colour before sticking them down. Later on I'll do the 'proper' textures and finishes for the upper surfaces.

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A nice length of platform there and goes to show how much room is needed if you want to run five, six, or more coach rakes.

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Yes. I always had six-coach LT sets in mind, although the (real) coaches are only around 51' long. The 4CEP unit in the photos is actually a fraction longer than the five-car CO/CP set. The platform width was dictated by the Bachmann station buildings.

I intend running longer trains on the upper level main lines so, if I have a station on those, the platforms will be even longer.

I have now, this morning, painted the platform surfaces and taken a couple of photos but haven't uploaded them yet. I'll post them a little later today.

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More photos of my progress on the LT platforms. The paint was still wet in the first two pics.







I then added some white paint into the remnants of my first tub of 'Hurricane' grey to produce this lighter grey.



The platform buildings are perched loosely  here. I subsequently added some more cross-bracing but the buildings won't sit entirely straight until I actually glue the top surfaces down. That's not going to happen until I can get hold of some more Vollmer embossed brick paper to complete the brickwork on the hidden side.




The next one was taken after adding some of the extra cross-bracing underneath (more to go, though). The buildings are sitting a little straighter now!




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Thanks Wayne.

I tested a TurboStar (long overhangs and wide footsteps) and a Networker Turbo unit (long overhangs and the widest stock I own!) and had to slightly trim only one short curved section of the platform at the right-hand end in the photos. I had to take only about 1mm off the edge for around 3 or 4cm length. Not bad considering I was guessing the clearances to start with!

Wishing everyone a Happy New Year. I'll be back with more soon.
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Hi Jeff, Your railway is getting a nice busy look to it.
I like your platform and latest building work.
Happy New Year to You and Toby.
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Thanks for the kind words, Derek.

I will finish the platform properly as soon as I get hold of more of the Vollmer brick cards.

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The Platforms are still on temporary hold, pending the arrival of more of the Vollmer brick sheets. However, I have now got hold of my code 60 rail for the third and fourth rails, courtesy of Brunel Models in Cheltenham (Melbourne).

For the platforms, I have now decided to go for the plasticard top surfaces for more rigidity, so I bought some Evergreen 40 thou plasticard for the purpose. The centre section of the platform will have paving slabs, under the buildings and canopies but the rest will have a different texture. While in Brunel Models, I saw some textures spray paints that would give an effective bituminous finish to the platforms (or roads), which i may experiment with in the near future.

I have laid a short test section of third and fourth rail using the Peco third rail chairs (pots). From this, I know I will have to countersink the bases of the pots slightly as the rails are slightly higher than the running rails. While this is correct for the prototype, I want to have them all level to ease track cleaning. For this section, I haven't glued anything down, nor have I created any end ramps. I have some ScaleFour castings for the end ramps and will be using those for the LT lines but I will only bend the ends of the third rail sections down slightly for the main lines to give a different appearance to the two sets of lines.

I made a template out of card to drill the holes in the centre of each of the relevant sleepers. This worked well but is not very durable so, having proved the concept, I'll make a better one out of some brass strip.






I already have a sore finger from sliding 44 of the pots on to the rails; I'm not sure how I'll cope with doing this for another 80ft  of track (the code 60 rail comes in 2ft lengths and I have only done two of them here!!).

Also in the pics, you can see my latest acquisition, the Bachmann Collectors' Club Network SouthEast liveried 2EPB unit.


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Further progress with the third and fourth rail laying tests: I laid a second stretch of third and fourth rail on the adjacent track but this time used a template for the positioning of the centre rail made from a piece of scrap brass. It sits between the running rails on plain track with the edge aligned with the edge of the selected sleeper. I then dril lthe hole through the hole in the brass. The 'bent up bit' is a crude handle. I should add that I cannot use this with the track power on!




The track on the right was laid using the template. That on the left has also had further work done to lower it slightly. This was achieved by simply drilling out the top part of the mounting hole to a size that matched the diameter of the third rail pot. The rails are still not quite level with each other but I am not far off achieving what I want, now. At this stage, everything is still just a firm push-fit. When I am satisfied I will glue it all down - after ballasting.






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And now, just for a little lighter relief, here are a couple of pics of my new Bachmann 2EPB units, firstly the NSE one on its own then both running in multiple (or consisted, if you prefer!). The Network SouthEast liveried unit came from the Bachmann Collectors Club while the standard issue blue and grey unit (also with NSE branding) is my combined Christmas and birthday present from my wife.







All five of my 2EPB units have Lenz Silver 21-pin decoders fitted.

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I have no further work on the platforms to report at this stage but, while awaiting the arrival of the Vollmer brick sheets, I have not been entirely idle.

I have decided to compromise a little further and reduce the radius of the siding curves to allow a little more length for train storage. The radius is still slightly over 2nd radius but less than 3rd - at its tightest it equals 2nd radius. While it looks a little tight for the 4CEP unit in the pics, it actually suits the shorter LT stock somewhat better. There is now room for a six car LT unit with room to spare.




The second photo shows the new position for the buffer stop.




I haven't fully tidied up yet - the track pins are not yet hammered fully down to allow me to adjust the alignment more easily if needed and there are still a few track pins floating loose beside the track. Buildings have been rearranged but this is still definitely not the final arrangement, even allowing for the fact that the whole lot will be on a rising slope towards the rear.

I have slightly modified and repainted my Hornby Dublo signal box, inspired by a picture on Radley Models' site (http://www.radleymodels.com/page/l_t_stations_depot_and_track_side_items). Mine still requires glazing and some sort of interior. The pics show both sides of it. I have added a little Slaters brick plasticard to blank off some of the windows on the back of the cabin, just as Phil Radley has done for his model.








I wasn't sure what colour to paint the doors; I chose a light blue for two of them and red for one that I thought might be entry to a restricted area.

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The third and fourth rails look good Jeff -   the layout is coming together nicely :thumbs

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Thanks Dave. It is getting there, slowly.

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The Vollmer brick sheets have now arrived and I have completed the brick facings for each side of the platform, allowing me to continue with the platform surfaces properly. I decided to change to 40 thou plasticard for extra rigidity and neater joints so cut the new surfaces using the old card ones as templates. There may still be a little filing and trimming to do but I haven't tested yet with the widest and longest stock.








I have also now reused the old surface card, cut into strips, as extra cross-bracing. It was all fairly crudely cut to interlock, then glued into place.









And finally, the plasticard surface roughly painted (first coat only), but not glued down pending further clearance tests.



Next stage: glue the surfaces down then add strips of the brick (two bricks high) as corbels under the edges of the platform overhangs. These will also hide any gaps, with luck!

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Jeff,
I like the way you have designed the platform. Simple yet functional. It should be real easy to trim a little more clearance where needed too.

I think you made the right decision on going to the 40 thousands thick styrene, but you should still be careful when leaning on it near the outside edges. Once that material is bent, while you can bend it back, the crease still shows up.

Ask me how I know this? :pedal

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Ha ha. Yes, the edges do look a little vulnerable. I am considering whether or not to add some 40 thou strips under the edges to thicken them a bit ... once I have finalised the edge shapes, of course.

I hope no one minds me doing a 'blow by blow' account but I thought it might benefit someone else who is also building a layout or new platforms. The principle is based on the old Superquick card platforms which are very strong when finished - I know because they formed the basis of my platforms on the old layout.

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SRman wrote: I hope no one minds me doing a 'blow by blow' account but I thought it might benefit someone else who is also building a layout or new platforms.
 

I won't complain Jeff - that is how we all learn from such postings , what to do or not do , as the case may be.

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I think you are doing great Jeff, keep up the good work!

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Thanks Ron and Wayne. :lol:

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Absolutely nothing wrong with a blow by blow account for me either Jeff. :thumbs

As Sol said, that's how we learn.  The more detail (and pics), the more we like it and, up to now, it's looking great. :cheers

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Thanks Peter. I was a little worried it might be too boring if I go into the nitty gritty too far.  :cheers

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Back to the old Hornby Dublo signal box I started playing with a week ago: I have now glazed it. I found some printed glazing from Downes Glaze (I think) which had some windows well suited to the apertures on the ground floor locking room. The upper floor windows are done with plain glazing, to which I will add some microstrip bars in the next installment for this item.

The first two pics show the railway side of the cabin while the other two are of the side that normally faces away from the trains.









There are still a few spots that need the paint retouched (particularly the staircases and landings, also the door architraves).

After the glazing has been properly completed, I will need to make up an interior which can be inserted from below, together with a track diagram to be pasted to the interior wall.

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Jeff,
I'm curious how your going to insert the interior in the second story from the bottom?

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It's open from the bottom right through to the roof. Conversely, that means that looking into the thing one can see all the way to the ground level!

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It looks very swish, Jeff.  Is it the right era?

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The Southern Railway and London Transport both went for rather modernistic styles from the 1930s onwards. The Hornby Dublo box really suits a Southern type but is not too outlandish to pass for an LT style.

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It seems to fit in OK, Jeff.  What did they keep in the bottom part?  I'm guessing staff amenities?

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Mostly the interlocking and operating gear - probably electro-mechanical in this case - plus the staff facilities / amenities, as you said !:lol:

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What's that bandstand, gazebo thingy in the middle of the green hedged area Jeff. Is it a kit or one of your own models?

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Robert, the gazebo thingy is a recent Hornby Skaledale model - straight out of the box as seen here!

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Thanks Jeff. I think it's the first time I have seen that model but I'm sure it won't be the last.

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Showing off the effect of the textured paint I purchased from Brunel Hobbies recently: this is the asphalt texture. It still needs a little more done to it to complete the platform surfaces but I quite like the effect. I intend to make a little skrawking tool to scrape some lines parallel to the platform edges, which will also facilitate painting the white edging (actually intended to be a light grey).

The retaining walls are from International Models and will be cut to fit the locations properly - they are only propped there for effect at the moment.





These shots also show off the latest arrival on my layout, a limited edition Dapol weathered class 22 from Kernow Models and my Silver Fox version on Bachmann class 20 chassis, which I have now started to weather to match the Kernow model.

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I like that weathering Jeff. :thumbs

On the building front - what make are the terraced houses ?  I was particularly taken by the drain pipes (so often missed) - if you made them, how did you do it ?

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Hi Peter. Those buildings are from the Pocketbond Scenix range. They came as full buildings in groups of three or as low-relief ones, fronts and backs.

They are relatively inexpensive but don't have glazed windows. I have repainted a few of the doors and drainpipes/gutters.

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I'll have to investigate - they look good.

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Things have been a little quiet of late, due to minor illness - I get home from work and don't want to do anything else because of a cold hanging on.

I have achieved a little more today though. I countersunk the fourth rail a little further on the first experimental bit I laid and it is now level with the tops of the running rails so is no longer causing any problems.

I have now cut down and glued the retaining walls behind the station. They still need some work to blend in the joints between sections and then a bit of weathering and some top wall capping to complete them.

I have also loose laid some more ballast. It is still a little light in colour but will look better once glued down and weathered a bit. It still looks a lot better than having no ballast at all!

In the first two pics you can see how the retaining walls are before and after my mods; that to the right is in original condition. The top parapets that I have created are attached to the lifting section on the upper level and are not glued to the lower sections.

Note also that I have now cleared some of the stock off the front temporary lines that still show the approximate alignment of the upper level tracks to come.














Below, the overbridge and its supports are temporary place-holders only so these parts are still to be done in their final forms.











As can be seen in the next photo, the shorter length of LT stock lends itself to models with sharper curves!




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The phoenix has well and truly risen, Jeff.  :thumbs  It looks a lot different from when I saw it, what was it 15 months ago?

I hope you're feeling better soon.  I trust the lovely Agnes is keeping well?

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Thanks Max. Progress is not as rapid as I really want but I am determined to "do it right"!  :cool:

Agnes is well and I am slowly mending - it's one of those cold/flu' things that keeps hitting back.

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Here I am again, reporting another small amount of progress on laying the third and fourth rail. I have now got to the stage where I am also gluing it down. I am using the Scale Four Society end ramps on the third rail only. There are several different treatments possible for the fourth rail depending on a whole heap of factors on the real thing, so I have chosen the simplest using photos as a guide. Even so, I need to file down a couple of bits of rail rather like a point blade, to merge with the centre rail to form a 'V' section in the middle of the points.

One thing I wil say though: it is very tedious putting those chairs on to each rail individually!








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One thing I Will say though: it is very tedious putting those chairs on to each rail individually!




It keeps you from getting into mischief Jeff, stuck home threading chairs instead of prowling the pubs of Melbourne!:mutley

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Adding just a little more to the previous updae, I have now made the junction 'V' sections for the two outer points and added a short third rail section, this time eschewing the ScaleFour ramps because of the shortness of the section. I started painting the rails too but the rest will have to await gluing the ballast down - the loose ballast sticks to the paint brush, otherwise!






I am not entirely happy with that lower junction - I filed too much of a taper on the curved rail so I may have to redo it. We learn as we go ...  :roll:

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That's a labour of love Jeff but the end result is well worth it. :thumbs

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I have finally got around to gluing the ballast down. The glue (PVA plus water plus a drop of detergent) is drying as I type this so no running trains for a little while this weekend!! No pictures taken as it won't actually alter what you can see in the previous shots.

What it does mean is that I can continue painting the third and fourth rails without getting loose ballast particles stuck to the brush.

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Stepping back a little in time, back to February 2012, in fact, here is a video for your entertainment showing two Bachmann 2EPBs, 5765 leading 5770, running in multiple (a DCC consist) and my then new Dapol class 22 diesel-hydraulic, D6315, hauling a mixed parcels train - this loco is a limited edition weathered example from Kernow Models.

I have, of course, continued the ballasting and started the third and fourth rail laying since this vid was taken (see my pics in previous posts).

While there is still a lot of work to do, as you can see, I have managed to obtain good smooth running, notwithstanding the tight (for me!) curves.



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Very nice Jeff. :thumbs

I really like the "clickety-click" - is that just how it goes or have you notched the track ?

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Hi Peter. The clickety-clack is "natural" - accentuated by having the track mounted directly on the baseboards through the whole station area. I may file some extra notches in the future to match the Underground stock coach lengths.

The clarity of the clickety-clacks is also a tribute to the silence of the modern motors and gear trains too.

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Yesterday I had a day off work (officially a day in lieu for work I did earlier). While I didn't achieve a great deal, I did some more loose ballasting of the remaining tracks for the LT lines, although there is still a bit of the siding to complete yet. It does make the layout look more complete, even though there is still an awful lot to do.






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As I am hosting a BRMA meeting here in a couple of weeks time, I thought I had better get a move on this weekend to finish a few things like the ballasting and the platforms.

With that in mind, I created a skrawking tool (a sort of scraper and gouger in one!) out of a bit of scrap brass etch to mark out the platform edging with two grooves parallel to the platform edges. I then scraped off the textured bitumen paint along the marked lines and painted the edges a light grey. Little bits of left-over black show faintly through the grey paint to add a little texture to that as well. I did make the skrawker a little too short - I should have cut it with a little more of a handle but it worked quite well, albeit a little hard on my fingers! Another piece of the same brass strip formed the scraper to remove the paint.

Because of the sore fingers, I achieved only about two-thirds of the platform length tonight (double-sided though!) but I will persevere and get the rest done tomorrow. Then I can actually glue the platform surfaces down at long last.

I will take some pictures and post them in the next day or two.

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Are you aware of this Jeff?

http://www.olfa.co.jp/en/body/detail/156.html

I have one and find it extremely useful for scribing lines in plastic (most recently scribing the paving and edging into a station platform).

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They are great, John but we are having difficulty sourcing them here in Adelaide.

Have you seen them on any websites?

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What about this?

http://www.diplomatblades.com.au/products_category.asp?id=4&name=OLFA

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Thanks, John.  In Oz no less!  :thumbs  I've bookmarked it.

Wendy and I both use them.  They are great for styrene.

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Thanks for those links, guys. I am aware of the commercial tools and am able to borrow one from my good friend Doug, who did most of the carpentry on my layout. My own crude tool is designed to score two lines parallel to the platform edges, simultaneously. It works!

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1. The skrawking tool cut from a bit of scrap brass. The square edge runs against the platform edge and the two "saw teeth" each scratch a line along the platform parallel to the edge and each other.



2. A platform segment (40 thou plasticard) with one edge skrawked and partially scraped to remove the textured paint.




3. A pic showing the platform segments in both treated and untreated forms. The edges have been painted with Humbrol matt pale grey #64.



4. Two pics showing the segments now treated but not yet glued down.






5. Platform segments now glued down and aligned properly. there are a couple of joints to fill and level, plus the remaining paved section to complete, then I can level the buildings and canopies properly. Overall, I'm quite pleased with the way it has come out, though.








The last thing to do after all that will be to add the corbelling - two courses of brickwork just below the platform edges.

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Those BRMA mob can be a bit nit-pickee so you better make sure all is well exclam:

In my case, I have declared the D&S to be a privately owned & run Railway so what I say/do is the Rule.

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I dunno, Ron. I'm sure we can do a bit of nit-picking on the D&S if we try really hard!!!  :twisted:  :mutley

Speaking of nit-picking, I'll do a bit of my own here: I know there are a few anachronisms in that 'period' train behind the LSWR M7, not the least of which is the Firestone wagon - Firestone didn't open its Brentwood factory in England until 1928 so the M7 would probably not have been in LSWR livery by then! The SR-liveried brake van could overlap the early years (post-1923) during livery transitions, although it is really an LBSC one! I could go on ...

On the above subject, can anyone here tell me what period those Shell Mex tank wagons represent? I really have no idea with those except to say I strongly believe them to be pre-WW2.

On the subject of corbelling, I have now done the brick strips below the edges on the side nearest the edge of the layout. To be honest, at the moment, with clean brickwork, you can't really see it at all, so I'm wondering whether it was worth the effort! Maybe when I weather it a bit it will come out better. That leads to one more question: I had each strip with one row of standard bricks and one of half bricks; would the half-brick row have gone at the top or the bottom of the raised corbels? I guessed and put them at the bottom, so the platform surface is 'resting' on the full bricks.

It is amazing what questions a bit of modelling can raise, particularly with historical items where no colour pictures exist and even monochrome ones are rare (pre-grouping Private Owner wagons), or where people just would not think to take any photos at all (who wants to photograph the support walls of a station platform??).

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I'm not sure I'm with you on this one Jeff .................:oops::oops::???:

Why are there 2 lines scribed rather than just the one for the white edging stones and what do you use to guide the scrawker along the edge of the plasticard ?

Whatever the reasons, the edging looks great. :thumbs

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Hi Peter. There are two lines because most of the photos I have seen of LT's platforms tend to show multiple grooves in the concrete platform edging. I could only cope with two, so two it is! :lol:  Again. most of the photos show only narrow white edging and doing it this way I have the option of painting only the narrow strip white (off-white or dirty white!) later on but the pale grey suffices for the moment. The grooves act as a good painting guide, especially using thinned paint so it flows into those grooves.

The square edge of the skrawker sits against the edge of the platform and, if you look carefully at the photo, is set at a slightly deeper level than the points of the 'saw-tooth' parts (I did think carefull about the design before cutting it out). If I had some finer tinsnips I could have done more teeth closer together to achieve the multiple grooves. I should also have soldered a bit more brass to give more of a 'handle' to grip, but overall it did what it was intended to do.

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Thanks Jeff - I'm with you now. :thumbs

I hadn't noticed the extra depth on the square end and, for some reason, had thought the platforms were for overland (but also used by LT :oops:)


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Actually, it's the other way round. When the layout is more complete, the current tracks and platform will be for LT trains only, while all the main line stuff will be on the upper level. If I do run some proper tube trains later (EFE 1938 and 1959 stocks) then the platforms will be too high for them but even in real life LT has some compromise height platforms to cater for both sizes of stock - passengers step down from 'surface stock' and up from 'tube stock'!

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Hi Jeff,
talking of the upper level  what percentage incline are you planning?  I have an interest as "not Mutley" will have inclines going in opposite directions ( one out of view) and I've gone with 1% on curves and 2% on the straights

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Hi David. I'm sorry to say I'll be of no help on this as my two levels are entirely separate circuits on the level (ie at different heights but each is level).

My original, more ambitious plan called for some gradients and would have given a much longer run but I am really not confident of my ability to deal with gradients, so I simplified the plans with a view to trouble free running. If I had stuck with the original ideas, I would have had something close to 1 in 50 at one end and 1 in 60 at the other.

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gdaysydney wrote: Hi Jeff,
talking of the upper level  what percentage incline are you planning?  I have an interest as "not Mutley" will have inclines going in opposite directions ( one out of view) and I've gone with 1% on curves and 2% on the straights


Those grades sound fairly generours Dave. :roll:

My planned grade - on the straight - will be around 1 in 70 (I hope !!) but I think the recommended maximum is 1 in 45 - i.e. a whisker steeper than you plan.  I'm told grades on curves are very difficult if they're not flat ..........:lol::lol::lol:

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On Saturday 18th I hosted a BRMA meeting. We counted 26 people visiting but there may have been a couple more we missed. The layout performed faultlessly (thankfully) and only one wagon derailed (for no apparent reason) and one diesel derailed and fell over (mainly because I hadn't put it on the track properly to start with!!  :roll: ).

I managed to glue all of the ballast down last week, in readiness for the meeting. While working on a resin Merchant Navy body shell, drilling out the chimney, I slipped slightly and chipped an edge off the chimney rim. I had to patch it with a little Milliput, so I used the remaining Milliput to fill the gaps at the joints in the platform edging, then hastily touched in the paint, again in readiness for the meeting.

Overall, I would deem the day a success, and our old friend Murphy didn't seem to make any appearances.  :cool:

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That must be a relief Jeff and a good day it seems.  Is that about an average turnout for your BRMA visits ?

I think it was Rick (Gwiwer) who used to say that, with proper maintenance and a dust free atmosphere, your layout will perform perfectly ................until someone arrives to see it :lol::lol::lol:

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Rick was right, generally speaking - that is a part of Murphy's Law!!  :lol:

Incidentally, Rick was one of the members to visit - it was good to catch up with him (and all the others, of course). BRMA meeting attendance numbers vary a bit, anything from around a dozen people up to over 30.

It is very gratifying (and flattering) when one or two of the people who attended also emailed afterwards to say they enjoyed the meeting. It is quite exhausting though, so I was glad of a quiet day on Sunday.

Next week I will be assisting on a Victorian Railways O gauge layout at the AMRA Caulfield exhibition all day - any YMR members who happen to be there are welcome to stop by and have a bit of a natter.

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SRman wrote:...................................

Next week I will be assisting on a Victorian Railways O gauge layout at the AMRA Caulfield exhibition all day - any YMR members who happen to be there are welcome to stop by and have a bit of a natter.

I haven't got my map handy Jeff - is that far from Bergerac ? :hmm

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Any chance of some pictures of the 0 gauge layout Jeff?

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Peter: Only around 8000 miles or so ... give or take a few hundred!

:mutley. :mutley. :mutley

Bob: I'll try to remember to take the camera. I do sometimes forget what with all the other gear I have to take normally. This time I should have far less to remember.

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Ah, in that case, it may be nearer lunchtime before I get there .........................;-)

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We'll have some sandwiches awaiting your arrival, Peter, somewhere around lunchtime, 2013.
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Jeff,
       Just been playing catch-up on this thread and I really must say how impressed I am with how the layout is coming on.
While enjoying a video though,I noticed you have a lot of locos precariously close to the edge of your layout!
   For gawd's sake,please put a lip/wall along that edge before a loose sleeve or whatever snags a loco and sends it crashing to the floor...
......I speak from experience as a man who drove a Collett 0-6-0 off the end of my layout at the YMR show at Carn Brea!!:roll::lol:
Lovely work,mate!

Cheers,John.B.:thumbs

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Thanks for the compliments, John.  :cheers

In practice, the locos are sufficiently far from the edge to not be in too much danger - most of the time I tend to push them inwards if leaning across. Along the front I also have the temporary pockets holding the Power Cabs and Power Pro controllers, which also act as barricades. Once the embankments and viaducts are built along that stretch, they will, of course, have railings or walls, and that stretch will be a main line so nothing will actually be stored along there.

My friend Doug dropped in this evening with some more mdf sheet so I can complete the baseboard woodwork for the main lines - he has a towbar on his car and a trailer so he is able to handle the size of sheet I wanted. My previous car, a Holden Commodore, had a towbar and connections so I could borrow the trailer when I needed it but with my current car (a Mitsubishi Lancer) I decided it would never be a good towing vehicle so I eschewed the option of a towbar. Anyway, it looks like I'll be doing a bit of cutting of wood on Sunday (Saturday is out because of the exhibition), if for no other reason than I need to be able to stow the wood out of the way until I am ready to measure and cut it to suit my needs. The first task will be the track bed on the right of the layout, forming the rest of the Underground tunnel plus the trackbed around the curve where some of those locos are currently sitting - I want to be able to create this as one piece, if possible, to the point where it angles back in towards the station area.

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Over the last couple of days I have added a little more third and fourth rail on the outer LT circuit and now started the upper level woodwork for the curved trackbed at this end of the layout.

















With the woodwork, you can now get a better idea of how the lower level will interact with the upper level with retaining walls and then a tunnel mouth roughly where the end of the (temporary) brick wall I have placed for the photo. I may have to use a simple girder and brick 'cut and cover' style tunnel entrance here.











It doesn't look much but I am very happy with the result as it all comes together.


One thing that does strike me is how much the third and fourth rails contrive to disguise the 'narrow gauge' look of OO track.

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The LT lines look good Jeff. :thumbs

It seems a pity to hide the village/town in that "hole" but I do like your curved woodwork - how did you cut that - with a router and trammel bar ?

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Hi Peter. I made up a trammel to mark the curved edges using a pencil, then a jigsaw to cut to the lines.




The village will eventually be on a rising hillside  - there will not be a hole there in the longer term and it probably won't look anything like what's there right at the moment. That's still for the future but once the upper track bed is screwed into place, I can start building up the scenery formwork.

Note to all: I have added a couple of extra pics in my previous post to illustrate an intermediate stage of laying the extra rails with a third rail only in place.


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Try to keep the realistic traffic jam in the background streets, Jeff.

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:lol:

If you look at pictures of my old layout, you'll see that i was quite an expert at creating traffic jams! :cool wink

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I have been fiddling a little more over the last week, a little bit at a time. Further third and fourth rail has been laid, including most of that for the crossover.




I have Blu-Tacked some arches and retaining walls to give a rough impression of what I have in mind for the longer term. I really want a steeper slope on the retaining walls so I will have to do some cutting and joining of segments but some of this would have been necessary anyway to get the walls around the curve. The retaining walls came from International Models and the slope they provide would seem to be aimed more at a railway line gradient rather than a road or more naturally created slope.

Please bear in mind this is by no means final!













The curved track on the upper level is only pinned very lightly as I will most probably be able to space them a little closer and pare off a bit of the inner edge of the track bed. The radii are roughly equivalent to fourth and fifth radius (around 22" and 24", very roughly). The 6EPB gives an idea of how it will appear with six 64' coaches - still sharper than I would like but it's the maximum I can squeeze out of the design.


Ddolfelin, please note the traffic jam at the front is due only to the fact I needed somewhere to store the road vehicles while clearing and rearranging the village area! :cool wink

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I like those "under arch" businesses at the lower front level Jeff - the weathering looks great. :thumbs

Have you thought about using Scalescenes for your retaining walls carrying the road ?  You can make those however you want.

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Thanks, Peter. The arches on the right are Wills kits while the ones on the left are Faller, in that last pic. I did weather them myself and I am reasonably happy with the effect.

I have bought the Scalescenes viaduct and support piers and have already printed some out and glued them to some stout card ready for the next stage of cutting them out. Good as they are, they suffer from the same problem that all card kits suffer from, namely a lack of relief. However, of all the viaducts available, the Scalescenes one best fits what I have in my mind's eye.

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... And a little more fiddling this morning. I have commenced cutting polystyrene foam into an approximation of the contours for the village area. There is still much to do but this gives a better idea of how I see it in my mind's eye.






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Hi Jeff,
Coming along very nicely since the last time I saw it.
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Hi Jeff,

I have just completely read your thread. Very impressive ! Looking foward to seeing more of the ongoing construction. One question, how visible will the LT station be once the double main line goes in above on the front edge ?

Cheers, Gary.

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Hi guys, thanks for the kind comments.

Gary, the LT station will be visible through the viaduct arches as well as from above. That was something I wanted to be clear about myself, otherwise there would be little point in modelling the station. I intend to have a concrete drain in front, running under one of the viaduct arches, with a bit of waste ground, so there will be weeds and mud, perhaps a trickle of water in the drain, and some bits of dumped rubbish.

Ideally I would like some wider arches for that stretch of the viaduct but, for the time being, will settle on the Scalescenes one. I may well have to scratchbuild to get exactly what I want but I would rather get everything up and running before revising any details.

Also to go in will be the LT signal cabling; I have around 200 of the old Harrow Model Shop castings for the cable runs, and if that is not sufficient, I can order more off their successor, Phil Radley.

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Hi Jeff,

Speedy reply...! (great thing about being in the same time zone !)

Have you thought about using brick piers and steel girders construction for the main line across the front edge ? Similar to the girder you have in previous pics where the main line crosses the LT line, this would make a contrast to your arched retaining walls behind the station. Just a thought...

Cheers, Gary.

 

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Funnily enough, Gary, I was just replying to your post in the locomotive thread!

The plate girder idea is not a bad one at all. I was going to use these for the double track crossing over the LT lines but they would be easier to install and also give a clearer view of the LT station. Definitely going in to the pot for consideration! :cool:

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Hi Jeff,

That is exactly what I was thinking regarding viewing. I'm sure either way you go it will look good. Atleast with the pier and girder style, it'll be suited more to the modern running.

Cheers, Gary.

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It could end up looking like the viaduct at Oxted on the Southern Region: brick arches to a certain point then lattice girders and concrete (?) supports beyond that.

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Me again!

I have done a little more rearranging of temporary buildings in the village area and started sculpting and trimming the polystyrene formers. There is stil la lot to do but it is progress of a sort. The first four pics show the unsculpted levels.

























This is a more distant overview of that whole end of the layout ... in fact it has most of the existing operational part of the layout in view (with my finger blocking off the untouched bit on the left!!!).



 

I have trimmed a little off the inner edge of the trackbed at the front of the circuit. I have also commenced screwing the supports and track bed down, although I ran out of energy before I could finish. The track is only lightly pinned for test purposes but I will be able to lay it properly soon, using cork underlay first.




And now, a couple of pics i couldn't resist posing with the title "Underneath the Arches". These are Wills kits and will probably be used later but not at this particular location.







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I remember when that was a vacant room, Jeff.

Much progress.  :thumbs

It will soon be time to come over and visit you and Agnes again.  I reckon that this one will be better than the old one, the way it's going.

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Thanks, Max.

You are welcome to come and visit. Just say the word and we'll try to organise around it. :cheers

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It's looking great Jeff.

I may have asked before - sorry if I have - but what are the buildings ?

I particularly like the half timbered offering with the interesting roof lines ........

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Peter. The half-timbered building was scratch built by person or persons unknown, mostly out of card from cereal packets and glossy boxes. I bought it at swap meet last year.

The rest are mostly resin offerings from Hornby's Skaledale range and Pocketbond's Scenix range, although the pub is a rather ancient Airfix kit I originally built over 35 years ago. The Saxby & Farmer signal box and Victorian gents 'loo are Wills kits.

The Scenix terraced houses are rather nice in character but let down by having solid windows. They are quite inexpensive - I spotted them on sale at Hattons the other day for around 15 pounds.

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No wonder I couldn't place that half timbered building Jeff.

The others do look good as well.  Maybe I should have a look at these resin castings.  They're certainly quick to build .............:roll::roll::lol::lol::lol::lol:

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I used to use a few of the old Superquick range as well. Those and the resin RTR buildings can all benefit from some personalisation, even if it just to change the colours of the doors and gutters. One friend used to make up overlays for the Superquick buildings so that the surfaces became more three-dimensional - they looked superb and were only just recognisable as to their origins.

I currently have three of the Skaledale 'Town Houses' being delivered. These look fairly typical of the 1930s style but, with memories of the rows of houses (mostly semi-detached) between Bromley and Petts Wood in Kent, I will be repainting at least two of the three into alternative colours.

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I'll look forward to seeing those Jeff.

As you say, it always pays to "change" the generic form of buildings and use a variety of sources for kits otherwise, every layout would have identical towns/villages etc.

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Today I started adding the Church Hill (I have capitalised it because the name actually sounds quite plausible and may stay!). Once again this is only rough but gives a good idea of what will be.









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Church on the hill...? Hmmm, little closer to God..! Hopefully it won't require a grave yard.

Took a look at the bridge at Oxted on google maps and what a good looking bridge. Very interesting mix of masonry, steel and concrete (where repaired). I guess if you decided on that style of bridge at the front of the layout, it would certainly keep you busy building the steel trusses. It would be very impressive to say the least.

Cheers, Gary.

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Funnily enough, Gary, I do have some gravestones to put in the churchyard!  :mutley

I'm not sure of the history of that Oxted bridge but I have seen it on a few occasions from the road underneath and it always gives me the impression that it was started, then stopped for a while then resumed with a completely different (possibly cheaper to build) style.

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Hopefully the inturns won't be burried too deep, otherwise they may end up on the LT line...!

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Hi Jeff,

Looking good, like the Tudor style building.  Allan Downes would be proud of you.

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Thanks Mark but I can't take any credit for the building ... it is a work of art though. I do intend putting interior details in and changing the railings to something a little more British in style.

I do have some scratch building skills with buildings but I don't think I'm up to Allan Downes' incredibly high standards.

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I haven't done very much to the layout in the last two weeks but I do keep experimenting with the building positions and ideas for the locations of roads in the village. My new Hornby Town Houses arrived yesterday (so I haven't had time to modify or paint any of them yet!) so I have positioned them going up the slope for the moment.













For a little fun, I set up a running session with mainly Network SouthEast trains running today. The trains in view include a Hornby 4VEP at front, two Bachmann 2EPBs in multiple behind (one NSE liveried and one blue/grey liveried one), a class 455 on the other side of the platform (Bratchell kit) and a renumbered Heljan Railfreight class 58, 58 017, on a Speedlink service behind that.







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Looking good Jeff,
So this is what you get up to when not being able to visit up north with the BRMA.

Hope you are feeling better.

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Thanks Mark. Yes, I wasn't really up to any travel today, unfortunately. Still a little under the weather.

I hope your meeting today went well though. Brian F did offer to drive me but the new medication I'm on has made me a bit creaky. I hope to get up there in the not too distant future though.

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SRman wrote: ............................................the new medication I'm on has made me a bit creaky. ....................................

I manage it without medication Jeff ................:cheers

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I used to as well, Peter ... now I have help to feel worse!! :lol::thud

I feel a little guilty having dropped out but I really couldn't face over four hours in a car going to Bendigo and back, although Mark and his friends quite regularly mange it when they come to Melbourne.

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Sol wrote: There is a few of us BRMA members in this forum. As well as Aussies.
Nearly too many .................:roll::roll::lol::lol::lol::lol::cheers.

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Low-res video of the same trains (from the photos earlier) running - low-res/low bandwidth:



 

Higher resolution version  of above - higher resolution but higher bandwidth:






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The latest developments: not much progress lately but as I'm on two weeks holiday I cleared the top storage/fiddle yard of all trains and tracks so I could lift the hinged board and extend the lower level siding with another yard of track. This was simply glued straight to the baseboard and the buffer stop was heavily glued to prevent any accidental overruns.

The photos show the effect of the cleared boards and also my current thinking with the village buildings and orientations (still not final, though). The glue was deliberately left on there for effect!










Next, I'll mark out and drill/open up the holes for the point motors at the right hand end of the board. I am going to experiment with a hole saw to see if I can do this in a less traumatic way than drilling out each corner then using a jigsaw to join the holes ... as soon as I can find where I have hidden my hole saw set!

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as soon as I can find where I have hidden my hole saw set!

And you will find it as soon as you purchase a replacement set !!!

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as soon as I can find where I have hidden my hole saw set!

And you will find it as soon as you purchase a replacement set !!!

Never a truer word said SOL......

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Just for a little fun, I took a few short videos after working on my friend Doug's number one son's Bachmann class 25 and my own Hornby 4 VEP.

The 25 had a problem with stuttering when the horns (F2 and F3) were sounded but only if the engine sounds (F1) were on at the same time. Cutting a long story short, I eventually had to reset the decoder then reprogram the loco number and alter the volumes (master volume on CV63 and the volume settings on F2 and F3). While I had the 25 body off, I enclosed the existing factory speaker with some Blu-Tack to form an enclosed sound chamber. It is seen in this vid in tandem with my modified Bachmann class 24 with Howes' sound and bass enhanced speaker.

Also circulating was my Hornby blue 4 VEP, in which I have now modified the seating unit for the first class in the trailing driving coach (as it relates to this video). The corridor side now has see through windows from the compartments!




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Hi Bob. I have just edited it to try a different way of linking. Let me know if that still doesn't work for you. :cool:

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A few more 'quickie' videos, taken on my phone. This time they show the Bachmann class 24 D5014 with Howes sound in tandem with a Heljan class 33 D6585 with Digitrains (Paul Chetter's) multi-drive sound, while the Hornby 4 VEP, now fitted with an ESU Lokilot decoder, circulates in the opposite direction. The two diesels were not consisted as I haven't speed matched them - the 24 was running on speed step 43 while the 33 was on speed step 70 and they were almost perfectly matched on those settings!







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Hi Jeff,

Have to agree with Dave, great vids..!

Cheers, Gary.

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Thanks Gary.

I decided to take a few more videos of various workbench projects actually running on the layout (for which I still don't have a firm name, yet!). These are a little shaky as they were only on my mobile phone and I have strung some of the clips together but couldn't use decent transitions on my Pinnacle software in Windows 8 - it kept repeating the last second or so of the previous clip. I will eventually set up the tripod with the proper video camera and take some better quality vids but, in the meantime these will have to do.

Bear in mind that most of these models are not yet completed, missing things like glazing or handrails or final paint touches before adding transfers.

The London Transport 'Q' stock, made from resin kits (mostly Radley Models but a couple of DC Kits too). There are 1923, 1927, 1931 and 1938 cars in this train, powered by two Black Beetle motor bogies with one T1 decoder in one of the 1923 cars. I want to add one more vehicle eventually, ideally a 1935 car but these are n longer readily available so I may have to wait a while.



The Ayjay Models 'Tin' 2 HAL unit, powered by a Black Beetle bogie with an NCE decoder on board. I still need to tune this decoder to better suit the running qualities of the Black Beetle.



The Golden Arrow Productions (GAP) G16 4-8-0T on Hornby Stanier 8F chassis (ex- 2-8-0 !). This still needs a little adjustment to the wheels' back-to-back settings as it occasionally stalls momentarily on certain curves and points.



And the GAP Maunsell 0-6-0 diesel-electric shunter using a Bachmann chassis and a TCS M1 decoder. This has a 'stay alive capacitor but has the old-style pickups on the wheel treads which means it still stalls if too much dirt builds up on the pickups. Note also that the body is not sitting fully down n the chassis at this point. Also, please ignore that second mineral wagon that kindly chose to derail while I was trying to video and drive at the same time!!  :lol:

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Nice vids Jeff. :thumbs:thumbs

I like the weathering on the mineral wagons very much also, I like the click-clack from the rails - particularly noticable in the first vid when the tube comes into the station.  A nice touch :pathead

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Hi Peter. Most of those mineral wagons were factory weathered but I can claim credit for a couple of them.

The prominent clickety-clack is partly an intended result of pinning the track directly to the boards with no underlay. I want the Underground trains to roar and rumble like the real things!
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A clever move. :thumbs

I could of course, send you a copy of the "Mind the doors" sound track complete with the roar of approaching trains so admirably mastered by Geoff R. :cheers

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If it also has the distinctive motor whines of the LT stock I would be particularly interested in those sounds, Peter.

I have many memories of the various sounds wafting up through the tunnels and subways of the Underground.

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I'm in UK at the moment Jeff - when I get home, I'll play it for you and see what you think. :cheers

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Not too much progress to report: I have been drilling and clearing out the holes for the point motors on the upper level and laying cork over the whole of the fiddle yard area - about two-thirds complete now.

I also have been rearranging the village slightly, changing angles and levels slightly. Still not happy with it yet but it is getting closer!

Latest stock acquisitions are a Kernow Models 2 H 'Thumper' 1115 with sound (a video will be made later) and Hornby's 2 BIL unit 2134.







I also decided to try and do the photos "properly" so set up the good camera (a Nikon D3100) on the tripod and changed the settings to aperture priority. These pics are the result of several seconds exposure at F22 so should have pretty good depth of field. Yet another area to continue to experiment in!!  :cool:

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Hi Jeff,

(2) Bil and Thumper look good.  Not my region or interest though. 

Could you tell me what the wheel base is on the 2-Bil motor bogie?  I have a scratch built LNER Sentinel Rail car with an old Triang motor which I want to replace.  The 2-bil is one option, the other is a Tenshodo spud or Black Beetle.  Black beetle is better and cost more too.  Since the kit is plastic and not like the Nu-cast model - heavy, I think I will go for the Spud.  I think I have just talked myself into the spud.

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Hi Mark.

The usual motor bogie wheelbases for the SR were either 8' 9" or 9' depending on the origins. I'll measure the wheelbase for you tonight after work.

I much prefer the Black Beetles over SPUDs any day but I have also bought one Bull Ant from Hollywood Foundry (ironically for my still unfinished DC Kits 3H unit!). The specifications of the Bull Ant are similar to the Black Beetle but the construction is a different and they take up more 'air space' than the BB or SPUD. I consider that to be a little bit of an advantage because it also means the traction weight is concentrated a little more on the driving wheels.

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Back again, Mark. The BIL motor bogie wheelbase is 35mm (ie 8' 9"). That tallies with most of the Black Beetles I have ordered to suit SR electrics - the majority had 35mm wheelbases.

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Those Bull Ant motors have a good reputation Jeff, but they don't come cheap ................:roll:

I did think about using one for my trams but decided on Halling of Austria instead.

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Hi Jeff,

Thanks for the info.  There is one 2Bil motor bogie left on ebay UK and thought it might be an alternative to the black Beetle/Spud. 

I am having a cuppa while I type this and have a Kit built (by me) Gresley Restaurant coach in front of me to reattach the corridor connectors and a couple of buffers on one end.  I also need to add some more people in the seating area.  I have the waiter with the silver service and one lady.  This coach was built to match the old Hornby coaches, so has had a little update to the teak effect. I also need to replace the old hornby bogies, but they will do till I sort through the stock pile.

I am planning on coming down for the April meeting, but will have to see closer to time as there maybe a family do on.

Have a good Easter

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Hi Peter. The Bull Ants and Black Beetles are both fairly expensive, to my mind (and wallet).

Mark: The Hornby bogie runs very smoothly in my 2 BIL and is probably cheaper than any of the other options. Like the Bull Ant it will take up a little interior space though.

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More great little videos Jeff. I didn't see the 'hand of god' re-rail the 2nd mineral wagon in the last video (Maunsel 0-6-0 D/E shunter)... :lol::lol::lol:...!

Cheers, Gary.

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:lol:

Thanks, Gary. The hand of God did come into it - it just *somehow* got accidentally edited out ... I can't think how that occurred!

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I should add that not all the video attempts go smoothly. The swearing also seems to get edited out!  :mutley :mutley :mutley

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And now a short vid of the 'Thumper' trundling around. It is sharing the stage with a pair of Bachmann 2EPBs in multiple (consisted).

Sorry about the slightly shaky camera work - I was operating the camera with one hand and the trains with the other!



You'll also hear a few of the other functions being operated - the guard's bell and driver's buzzer at the beginning were actually unintended as I hit F5 by accident!

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Thanks, Gary. The hand of God did come into it - it just *somehow* got accidentally edited out ... I can't think how that occurred!

:cool wink

I should add that not all the video attempts go smoothly. The swearing also seems to get edited out!  :mutley :mutley :mutley

Yes, I know what you mean about swearing/cursing whilst trying to film a loco/train when it doesn't go right... I sometimes have to remind myself that my boys are in the house and it's very true young boys know how to pick up 'certain' words...! :shock::oops:;-)

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Hi Jeff, I was just scouring another forum where I came upon this which may interest you as a collectors item, maybe ??

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EVER-READY-LONDON-UNDERGROUND-ELECTRIC-TRAIN-SET-BOXED-/171007079058?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item27d0d0f292

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Hey Gary. I have seen a couple of those Eveready sets in the metal as a collector friend here in Melbourne has shown them to me.

They are very crude but brimming with character.

I can't say I really want one myself but if I ever want to see or feel one, I have only to ask the friend to bring one over again.

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As mentioned earlier, I have been laying the cork underlay on the upper level fiddle yard. Having glued the last bit on the lifting flap yesterday, I started laying some track today. I have been cutting out small areas around the point operating mechanisms to clear the point motors - these flaps will eventually actually be attached to the points themselves.

Of course, there are still many steps to go before all is operational, including wiring the point frogs and motors and the more general wire feeds for the running lines, so don't hold your collective breath yet; it will be a while before trains are actually running!

The photos show the first four tracks down and give an idea of how the fan of loops is going to look. There will be another four lines to the left, with a crossover between the two innermost tracks to allow reversal of trains if desired.




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Are your point motors mounted directly to the points Jeff or under the board ?  Just wondering what you mean by the "flaps covering the motors" ..........:hmm

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The point motors are being mounted directly to the points this time. My previous layout had the long extension bars going through much smaller holes in the baseboards but they had to be aligned very carefully to work properly, whereas having the motors directly attached to the points is messier as far as the holes in the boards are concerned but far more operationally reliable in the long term.

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Great Video Jeff and the layout is progressing well . Thanks for the regular updates.:thumbs

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A quick clip of another new arrival: the Heljan Gloucester RCW class 128 Diesel Parcels Unit has been trundling around on a running in turn. It is in an early version of BR blue.

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Some further progress with track laying in the upper fiddle yard. The track spacing may look a little odd but I have deliberately left extra space towards the back (the right of the photos) since if something needs to be reached my arms will be at a more awkward and acute angle in relation to the tracks (trying to think ahead, here!).

I am also proud of the fact that I had trains running on the Underground tracks and I didn't disrupt any services while I was doing the work above!!!
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The Gloucester DPU with a couple of parcels vans was running below, as was the 2 BIL (not picture).


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A busy looking scene Jeff and I really like the ballast in that last shot. :thumbs

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Thanks for the compliments, Peter.

I decided to do just a small bit of grass and weeds, pending much more extensive scenic work later on. This area will have a little bit of a grassy embankment eventually rather than just being flat as it is now. However, for photographic purposes, I think it looks better for posing trains for the time being.

This is a two unit 2 EPB set running past.





I must do something about that temporary brick paper walling - it is starting to wrinkle a bit and it shows in the photos.

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I like the layout of the ladder into the fiddleyard Jeff. 

The whole effect feels right.

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Great work, Jeff.

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Thanks for those compliments.

I have tried to create a 'flow' into the fiddle yard although I couldn't avoid one reverse curve between the first two points on the right of the photos - I usually try to have a straight spacer where such formations occur but in this case it was unavoidable.

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Yet another new arrival: my second 'Thumper' from Kernow Models arrived today. This one is in Connex livery (not my favourite livery by any means but the model is superb!). I tested briefly on DC before fitting a TCS EU621 decoder then set it off for an hour or so of continuous running. It is still barely run-in and needs a bit more to free it up further.







Toby apparently approves of this purchase. The moment I had the driving trailer out of its box and put it down beside me he reached up and gave it a gentle prod with his paw!

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My word you have made a lot of progress Jeff,
The railway is really coming together.
I am glad Toby is still keeping manners on the trains for you!

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A quick video (taken on my phone) of the Hornby 2 BIL unit in action. I have added yellow first class section stripes and yellow warning panels on the ends but there is a little bit of touching up and tidying still to do. The black inverted triangle that should be on the driving van end (on the DMBS vehicle) is yet to be added.

The roofs and underframes could really do with some weathering too but that is still on the agenda for later.

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I decided to replace the temporary 'place holder' bridge for the upper level over the underground lines. I found a piece of MDF that was exactly the right width for what I wanted and cut it to fit the location. I also cut a new support to run parallel to the underground tracks.

The next stage will be to cut the plate girders to suit the new configuration and mount some 'H' girders underneath those. There will also need to be a middle support and all supports will need to be covered in embossed brick sheets (Vollmer card or Slaters plastic - either will do but all support piers will need the same textures).

Here are some initial views of the work in progress. The side girders are only propped there to gain a rough representation of the final appearance.






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I'm still waiting to see your 'replica' of the Oxted bridge... :lol:.  Looking good Jeff.

Cheers, Gary.

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Thanks Gary.

The Oxted bridge does actually appeal to me but I can't find any kits that would resemble the British ironwork - the excellent German made kits have a fair variety of styles but none comes close.

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So does that mean you are not going to get busy with several packets of Evergreen Styrene angle and strip ?? :lol::lol::lol:

Cheers, Gary.

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Maybe not tonight!
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As a civil (sometimes) engineer, I have to say that the plate girder is insufficeint to carry the load. 

 

Sorry, too much Pinot ! :lol:

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That's why there will also be a couple of large H girders running longitudinally, some smaller H or I girders laterally and a central brick pillar support as well.

This is only the beginning ...
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I like the bridge Jeff but, rather than a supporting wall in the middle, why not have a couple of round columns with a heavy "H" girder on them.  It would allow a better view of the rear tube line and let more light in.  A supporting wall might make the rear tube line look like a tunnel entrance. :roll:  Yes - I know tubes run in tunnels but not here ............:lol::lol::lol:

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Hi Peter. That's not a bad idea. None of mine are set in concrete so I am open to these suggestions.  :cool:

A slight variation on that would be to do like I did with my old layout's over-line building at High Cross. I used a series of 'H' or 'I' section girders to act as supports along the length (or was that width?) of the raft supporting the building and road.

You can see some of the supports in this photo.



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That's almost exactly what I mean Jeff - as per the supporting columns on the left hand end of this scene  although, rather than having a row of them, make them slightly bigger and just have 2 or 3 at most.  2 should do it because it's only carrying a single carriageway road.  The bridge span will be no more than a double track so any "standard" overbridge would do the job - except of course, a masonry structure which would need an arch........................:roll::roll:.



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Yet another video of one of my sound-fitted locos. This time it is of my Bachmann Freightliner class 70, fitted with Howes' sounds on an ESU LokSound v3.5 decoder (reblown from a Bachmann class 47).

The train has container wagons from Dapol (FEA-B, Megafret and KQA 'pocket' wagon), Realtrack Models (FLA) and Hornby (KFA), while the containers come from the same sources plus C=Rail.

Once again I apologise for shaky camera work as I was working the controller and the camera at the same time - that zoom right near the start was accidental! At least this time I used the 'proper' video camera and a tripod. :cool:

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My second Bachmann green 4 CEP unit arrived from Hattons today - one of their bargains I couldn't resist at £69. This one is numbered 7128 while the previous one was unit 7126.

I also purchased a Lenz Silver 21-pin decoder to go in the new unit so, after a quick test on DC, I fitted the decoder and set 7128 off in multiple (consist) with 7126, with the green Motor Luggage Van (MLV), 68006 bringing up the rear.






 Of course, this train is really too long for the Underground tracks but will look more at home when the main lines on the upper level are complete. This isn't the first time I have done this though: here is an earlier shot of a similar train made up with blue and grey stock, this time with MLV 68009 leading units 7113 and 7114.



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At the same time as the new CEP unit arrived, I had also ordered three of the Bachmann 1930s semi-detached houses, to complement the Hornby Skaledale detached houses already in the village.
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Things are starting to gel for the village layout. The contours are still to be refined and adjusted but the basic plan is almost there now. There will be a level crossing in the foreground of the first pic.
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Note that everything is still just planted and posed - the tracks in the foreground are pinned in only a few places to show the approximate alignment.






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Further fiddling with the bridge and its near environs: I am reusing second-hand components at the moment but will buy new stuff once I work out what I need. The plate girders are, I think, the Peco Wills vari-girder kit(s). I have broken the existing ones down a bit and reassembled the bits into something nearer what I need, and for the moment simply Blu-Tacked the bits into place.

The lower girders will probably have to be a bit deeper than the depth of the MDF forming the bridge base.

I have also added a little of the Vollmer embossed brick sheet to lead into what will be brick arched viaduct. As I envisage it, there will be a small rise in the ground to the foreground and up the base of the brick wall, making the area of brick shallower than in the photos. 

For the last one I removed the ProCab to improve the view. The controllers will eventually be moved to a lower and different location when I get the control panels in place.







This is intended to give some impression of what I have in mind.

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It's looking good Jeff - I'm glad the bridge sides are only blu-tacked in place ...................:shock::shock::shock::shock:

The foreground will look much better when you get some contour into it as you've suggested and the bridge will improve no end once you've got some kind of pillars around the half-way point.  I'll be inerested in seeing what you have planned for the control panels.  I'm still pondering mine ..................:cry:

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For the control panels, I intend printing the track diagrams on my colour laser printer and mounting them behind some perspex/clear acrylic sheet. Any switches, contacts, LEDs and so on will be mounted in drilled holes at the appropriate locations.

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For the viaduct section I have bought some Scalescenes print-it-yourself viaduct files but I am never entirely happy with the lack of relief in paper/card kits, at least for the longer term (I happily use such things for place holders).

Recently I spotted a Vollmer HO kit for a brick arched viaduct, single tracked with three arches in the kit. What's more I found some in Miniatur Wunderland's online shop for half price so ordered two (after ascertaining that postage was reasonably priced too). I then ordered a couple of the extension arches from another German dealer, with a view to hacking these into a four arched double tracked viaduct.

The extensions arrived first, today, so I set about experimenting to make a singe double tracked arch, just to see if it could be done. This has only the basics in place and none of the extra walls or the supporting piers yet - the piers will need their height cut down a little to suit my location. I would deem the experiment successful!

The German kit comes with parapet railings but I will make some brick walls up to replace those, in due course.

The arches are a little narrower across than I really wanted but the brick texture is so much better than printed paper can provide. I may well order another couple of the three-arched version to extend this one. As I haven't done the supporting iers yet, a couple of recently constructed containers are providing support, coincidentally, at just the right height!!







Because of the way I have used the side walls/arches, I will end up with one spare from each arch (I'm using three walls per double track set). The spares may well provide arches further down the track.

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Is there any way of not using the inner wall/arch section shown in the middle of the bridge in the 2nd pic ? It would be a good way of extending without the added cost...

Cheers, Gary.

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Gary, it would be possible if I made a support to the same overall shape out of card or plasticard. I'm not sure I can be fussed when the thing went together with no modifications to that part. 

The only mods made were to shorten the two base plates (which will also be necessary when I build the support pillars) and to cut one edge off each of the top track beds.

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I didn't know Minatur Wunderland had an online shop Jeff ................must have a look at it .....;-)

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The link if you want it: https://shop.miniatur-wunderland.de//

When I emailed them to check postage before ordering, I got a very nice reply in English (I apologised for my lack of German). I have now ordered a second pair of the full viaducts so I'll end up with seven double tracked arches for the main one and possibly three more (from the spares) for around the bend, where I'll need to do some extra work anyway.

Essentially there are four parts per arch that I need to cut to make the double-track version and these are all nice straight cuts where I can use the score-and-snap method.

Of course, there are more cuts to be made on the supports, again nice, easy straight ones, to shorten them a little. I haven't yet tried this to work out how much I need to trim but it is not going to be difficult; it will be between eight and twelve cuts per arch (one for each side of the supporting pillars for each single track arch).

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The cutting and hacking continues! I found I had rather more pieces than I originally expected to cut down on the piers because of the brick overlay panels on the sides. I worked out that I needed to remove eight courses of bricks from each panel and side to get the correct height. However, I did stuff up one of the inner sides by miscounting and removing nine courses! Still, it doesn't seem to have weakened the structure at all and I can easily fill the gap and weather it as it will be mostly hidden anyway - it can be seen on the far side of the pier in the first photo.


Of course, I will have six more arches to do this way when the main viaduct kits arrive - I ordered another two from the Miniatur Wunderland shop to follow the first two, making a seven arched viaduct in all, when I'm done!






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It will be an impressive viaduct when it is finished then Jeff.

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That does look very good. How many more arches are to go in ?

Cheers, Gary.

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There are six more double-track arches to do, although I don't necessarily have to use them all.

Following on from my previous post, I cut one row of bricks to successfully fill that gap I mentioned. I was expecting the single row to curl up as I cut it but that didn't happen, thankfully, making the job much easier.

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What are your thoughts on what will go under the arches? 
just wondering as the underground railway stops an exit from the arches, making a through street scene unpractical, and it would be a shame to fill the arches with shops as it wouldn't allow the through arch view of the underground layout.

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Hi Aaron. I was thinking of mainly wasteland with a concrete drainage ditch and a trickle of water, as well as the usual LT paraphernalia like cables and cabinets. A wasteland can take just as much modelling as anything else to do properly, I think.

I don't want to block off the view through the arches so it all has to remain fairly low. Mud and brambles, a rusty hulk of a car, perhaps, a few kids playing (or maybe smoking!!). I may do some filled arches with a different style for the curved part at the other end of that stretch (meaning I won't have to deal with the actual arches themselves on a curve!!), then some more open ones to allow for photography through the arches, looking along the LT alignment.

Nothing is finalised, it is all just ideas at the moment, so any suggestions will be welcomed and taken on board if they are do-able for my set of skills.

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Jeff, I have the same concern about underneath arches with my viaduct http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=8469&forum_id=101&page=2#p159060

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Hi Ron. Yours has reminded me that I haven't even thought of refuges. I must include a couple of those too. Very nice, by the way.

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For my urban environment open fields would look out of place and a river has nowhere to go to or come from but a drainage channel can be fed from a pipe discharging from under the LT tracks, so that's where my thinking processes are coming from.

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Hi Jeff,

One option is to place a 6' chain wire fence between the arches and fill with typical railway refuse/junk, even something like a fettlers/gangers shed for the LT line...

Cheers, Gary.

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well here are a few ideas then,
  • overgrown, with mostly ivy and wall creepers to the walls of the viaduct, and long grass, bushes and small shrubs on the ground
  • I do like the drainage ditch idea, maybe a over flow/ flood plain mash, with a few reeds and litter in the water
  • Flytipping is also a good one, like you said a rusted out car/ maybe burnt out, and a pile of old washing machines and bricks
  • garages/sheds/businesses that only occupies the lower half of the viaduct, as your viaduct is quite tall, these could be used by LT or public

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Gary and Aaron, you are both thinking my way here. :)

I ordered some mesh fencing a few days ago and already have some ivy from International Models (Mini-Natur, I think), as well as the Woodland Scenics fibre matting which makes good brambles (photos from my old layout to show the idea).




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Now that I have a bit of an idea of what I'm doing with the viaduct double-track conversion, I have commenced work on the second arch. It is posed here resting on those containers (again!) because I haven't done the next supporting pier yet. The photos cruelly show the rough spots, particularly the inner arch lining on one half having slipped - I'll have to trim it and reseat it.







You may also see that I have been levelling out the station canopy. I finally got some Slaters paving to finish off the platform surfaces - not yet painted but it does mean I have been able to pack and level the individual buildings to get the canopies aligned.

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I have been on school holidays for the last two weeks and have made a small amount of progress with the layout building, although not as much as I had hoped/planned for!

I have done some further levelling and grading of the polystyrene landscaping at the village end. I am generally happier with it now. No photos of that to show at this point but I will take some soon.

I have been fiddling with the track diagram for the LT lines and have now printed it and laminated it, ready to mount behind some clear acrylic (also shown in the photo). I will then drill holes where he switches will go. Normally the track section switches will be left on for DCC but sections will be able to be isolated for DC analogue running. Apologies for the reflections.



Gary: I have been giving further thought to the Oxted line bridge. I have not found any suitable bridge kits from the kit manufacturers (Faller, Vollmer, Kibri, Walthers, Atlas, etc.) but I hit upon another idea; the Ratio Pratt truss signal gantry! I am ordering four such kits to play around with. Each gantry on its own would not be sufficient to support the bridge span (in real engineering terms) but two or three side by side should look the part, in conjunction with some plate girders ... I hope.

Google Earth street views are quite helpful in visualising this, if anyone wants to look.

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Great news Jeff, I knew you wouldn't give up on Oxted Bridge ! ;-);-) 

Model railways are funny things really. If we have our hearts set on something in particular, it's hard to shake it off ! Looking foward to the build of the bridge as it sounds like you have the materials sorted.

Cheers, Gary.

 

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I have been laid low with the bad back but am starting to improve now. My first modelling task since then has been to experimentally swap the station buildings from the Hornby Skaledale Italianate style to the Bachmann art deco style. I didn't really intend to use this building here but I think it looks rather good. It will be linked to the platforms by a footbridge (Ratio modular covered footbridge on the way from Hattons right now for experiments to commence!).

The lighting was not the best and the white of the all that polystyrene swamped the camera a little, although I have tweaked the photos a bit to compensate.










Another thought occurred to me while I was laid up: I have a large Kibri modern tower building that has close to the same footprint as the large Tudor hotel in the existing photos. If I am careful with the scenic surrounds I may be able to swap them from time to time to suit a more modern image period. I had a similar idea way back at the planning stages for the main line station: have two interchangeable modules, one with platforms in use (1960s or earlier), the other with derelict, weed-grown platforms to fit more modern settings.]

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Hi Jeff,
Very SR suburban art deco feel now to the layout.
Sounds like you are on the improve.
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After some discussion and quite a few suggestions in my almost identical thread on RMweb, I have now come up with some signs for the station name.

The name has not been finalised yet but suggestions included variations on the words falcon (or faulcon), based on the 1973 Ford Falcon I have in my garage, and Newton, based on the name of my friend Doug who did the baseboard carpentry (most of the hard work!) to start with.

Doug suggested, tongue in cheek, Newton Broadway after someone else had added 'Broadway' to the list of possible place name qualifiers, like 'Green', 'Road', 'Lane', 'Park', 'Wood', and 'Bridge'. I made up some LT 'bullseyes' to a size that matched the EFE LT station seat and name board, using Microsoft Word and the built in shapes of circles and rectangles. The basic shape is made up of two filled circles, one red on the bottom layer and one smaller white one added concentrically on the next layer up. A dark blue rectangle is then placed over the top of those circles. All shapes were grouped before being copied multiple times.

Text was added with a text box set to have no fill and with the text set to white. I tried two different fonts, Arial bold and Gill Sans MT bold, centred, and duplicated eight of each name in each font. Font size was set at 5 points, except for the 'Newton Broadway' Gill Sans which had to be reduced slightly to 4.5 points to fit. The text box is 



This was printed onto ordinary paper but the final print will be on glossy photo paper to simulate the enamel signage of the real thing. The dark blue bar needs to be lightened slightly before I will be happy with it.

For anyone who hasn't tried this sort of thing in Word before, the document can be 'zoomed' into to allow you to see what you are doing. To set these smaller font sizes, select your block of text, go to the font size and actually type in the font size (Word doesn't offer anything less than 8 points in its drop-down list), followed by hitting the [Enter] key.

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A couple of shots of the new Heljan class 16 in service. This one is D8404 with Stratford style yellow panels. The model runs almost silently and very smoothly with 20 wagons in tow.





The headcodes I chose for each end are similar to the ones I put on the class 15 and represent transfer freight runs on to the Southern Region, with this one representing Norwood Junction as a destination and the code at the other end (not visible) being for Hither Green.

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Nice looking model of a North British type 1, made me smile as I can remember seeing them at Stratford sheds in the early 1960's, where there was always about 3 of them with the side panels off being worked on, such was their unreliability. They were mostly used on local work, Temple Mills to either Goodmayes, Ripple Lane, or the docks, to go any further would cause consternation, as what happened one day when one turned up at Bishops Stortford yard. 

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bike2steam wrote: ...there was always about 3 of them with the side panels off being worked on, such was their unreliability... 
I just hope your model is a little more reliable than the real thing ! Nice little loco. :thumbs

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So far it has been reliable, although there have been reports of a couple of the Heljan models expiring in realistic fashion! I think mine has passed the point where it would be likely to give up the ghost, having run for around ten hours over the last couple of weeks.

It does look nice and once it has gone out of its warranty period I'll weather it a bit. I had to remove most of the pipe work from the buffer beams to allow the tension lock couplings to be fitted but I may yet add shortened versions of the pipes.

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You may have noticed in those previous pictures of the NBL class 16 that some of the third and fourth rail installations were not painted. Well, I have now fixed that,, so all current (oohh! A pun!!) third and fourth rails are now painted, although a bit over half of the viewable area still has no extra rails yet. It's a job I keep trying to ignore!

In painting the rails I disturbed a bit of the loose (or not properly stuck down!) ballast, so I sent the Dapol track cleaner round in front of firstly the Bachmann C class then the Heljan 16, in vacuum cleaner mode. The first video shows just the class 16 with  cross-London transfer freight then the second one shows it propelling the Dapol track cleaner, followed by the LT CO/CP stock (which had to be moved to allow painting of the rails then the cleaner to run through where it had been standing).



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Having (mostly!) decided on the station name, here are the two running-in name boards for the LT station.





There is still so much work to do on this layout but I am proceeding slowly. The viaduct is gradually being added to as well - more pics of that will follow when I have made some more significant progress.

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Hi Jeff,great photos of the tube trains.What era are they,50s/60s?.

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Thanks Alan. The flare sided stock is CO/CP stock, decorated for the 1950s and '60s. They originally dated from 1938 as O and P stock with Metro-Vick Metadyne equipment but were gradually converted (hence the 'C' in CO and CP) to the LT standard PCM electrical equipment in the 1950s (possibly starting even slightly earlier).

They are white metal kits from defunct The Model Shop, Harrow (latterly available from Radley Models), with two Black Beetle motor bogies fitted into one of the DM cars.


I always remember riding in them during my childhood, and still love the sight in my mind's eye of those flared skirts sweeping into the stations.

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That's why i thought 50s/60s.I remember riding on them too.

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Latest arrival at Newton Broadway: a Kernow Models weathered Dapol Western diesel-hydraulic D1037 Western Musketeer, straight out of its box. Well, almost, anyway. I test ran it on DC analogue power then fitted a TCS EU621 decoder, followed by a running-in session. It is still a little growly at the moment but it is improving with running. The running qualities are good, though and it creeps very slowly on speed step 1.

I found that running in one direction only, it was derailing at a particular place on the outer radius inside the tunnels but a slight tweak to the track fixed that - it merely needed the inside rail lifted very slightly.

I have not fitted headcodes or any other detail bits myself, yet. One advantage of the Kernow specials is that they pre-fit those fiddly little lifting eyes on the roof, as well as the name and number plates. I'll fit the headcodes from inside the apertures when I'm ready, like I did with their class  22.



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For comparison, here is my Heljan Western, D1007 Western Talisman side by side with the newer Dapol version. I modified the Heljan cab roof profile a few years ago with nothing more than a file and it is pleasing to see that the end result came out looking very close to the correct profile as modelled by Dapol.




The Heljan one has lost a windscreen wiper for which I haven't found a replacement yet. I also added the etched plates to it as an improvement over the original printed versions. I must add a little more weathering, particularly along the skirts.

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Great stuff Jeff,
Its good to see your progress on the railway.
Must be fun to operate!

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Thanks Derek.

My progress has been somewhat slower than I would really like but I am getting bits done here and there. I keep thinking that I need to finish wiring up the point motors which are in place already.

I also have the control panel diagram so must make up the box so I can add the studs or switches and really finish off the Underground section. There is more third and fourth rail to lay, which is not a difficult task, just tedious.

There is not a huge amount of operation possible on this lower section (by design) as it was intended to allow four trains to be operated easily, two at a time, with a fifth one shuttling in and out of the station or swapping with one of the others.. At a later stage I will add block section controls to allow four trains to run at once (two in each direction) semi-automatically without running into each other.
While not contributing to the layout development itself, I added some of the detail bits to the Dapol/Kernow Western last night. I haven't added every available part but the brake rigging, cab steps and speedometer drives were done (although I managed to break one of those in the process!).



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A while back I ordered a few of the budget Train Tech colour light signals to try out. They look to be quite decent kits and the prices are right. I got around to constructing one of the 2-aspect versions today, to replace one of the 'place-holder' Australian signals currently on the layout.

Construction was pretty straightforward, although I found the ladder and safety fences rather delicate when cutting them of the sprue. The circuit board that forms the backbone of the signal seems robust and very simple to wire. I haven't. as yet. wired up any of the signals on the layout, although I have tested them briefly to make sure each o them works.

Here are a couple of photos to show the new addition in place. I will certainly be adding more of these signals from Train Tech in the future, replacing  hotch-potch of signals from different sources.






One of the Australian signals is visible in the background in that first shot.

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I tried one of those brands of signal Jeff & found that the red LED bleeds too much into the green shroud so I will have to paint all around both LEDs with matt black.

The circuit board with the LEDS already mounted is a good idea & I will agree, the railings, etc are very prone to breaking.

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I have now wired up three signals (actually, four as one of them is a twin-headed junction signal). These are on simple Single Pole Double Throw (SPDT) on-on switches for the time being, until I decide how to automate the aspects in synchronisation with point settings and whether there is another train ahead.


There were a few trials and tribulations on what should have been a simple wiring job. I wired them according to the diagram, using the supplied resistors on the negative common return legs. Each resistor was then joined to a common return negative wire to a 12 volt DC transformer.


The wires to each positive terminal (one red, one green, for each signal) were run to two SPDT on-on switches, with the red wire going to one terminal and the green to the other on each switch, then the centre terminals on the switches were run to the positive output on the transformer.


All well and good so far. This should have given me independent control of each signal aspect, with each individual signal only being able to show red or green, not both.


What actually happened was this:


Selecting green on both switches illuminated both green lights. So far, so good! Selecting red on both switches illuminated both red lights. Again, good! With both signals at green, selecting red on the near signal knocked out the far one altogether. Not so good! With both on red, selecting green on the near signal knocked out the near signal and switched the far one to green.


The problem, in the end was due to my working under the layout with a blue-white light source, which meant I couldn't tell red and orange wires apart!! Once I fixed that up, the result is that both signals are working as they should.




Being a glutton for punishment, I started on the twin-headed junction signal today.  This time I was very careful to keep track of the wire colours and where they went. This signal uses a common negative return for all four lights so required four resistors in the four positive lines (one each), where the other two single signals could use one resistor in the negative common.


Anyway, I wired it all up and tested ... the left-hand red refused to illuminate. I checked and double-checked the wiring and could find nothing wrong. 


After much head scratching, I shorted a screw driver across the relevant terminals on the SPDT switch and lo and behold, the red lit up! So, it was a faulty switch this time. I swapped it for a good one and all is now well with that signal.




Overall, I think the Train Tech signals work well and are easy to put together, with the proviso that one has to be extremely careful cutting the very delicate safety railings and hoops from the sprues. While they aren't entirely accurate representations of LT signals, they look good anyway and I will be purchasing a few more, releasing the hotch-potch of signals already on the layout as place-holders to be used on the main lines, where there tended to be much more of a mixture of types and styles.

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:)Excellent result Jeff.

Working under baseboards is no joke.

I like those photo,s, Plenty of atmosphere.

Wishing you and your family plus Toby if he is still around.

A very happy Christmas and New Year.

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Derek.

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Many thanks for the compliments and the wishes, Derek.

I'd like to wish everyone a very happy Christmas and New Year season.

p.s. Toby is fine and has adopted a position under our Christmas tree as his own!


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After initial experiments with a printed track diagram. laminated and mounted behind clear acrylic sheet, I have worked out the signalling requirements and switches, which meant redesigning the diagram with a little more space between tracks. I have used 8BA bolts to hold the laminated sheet to the back of the acrylic.The result:



I have mounted some switches which will be wired up for the two aspect colour light signals. I have already wired up four signal heads, hence the holes where those switches will go; they cannot be mounted until I screw the panel into its final position. It will be hinged to allow easy access to the back.

Point control will be stud and probe, although I am considering changing that to sprung toggle switches (sprung on - off - sprung on). The signals will be manually operated for now but I will add some automation and interlocking for the future.

Also in the diagram are two ground signals. I have a couple of brass kits on order but I am not sure if I will be able to make these operate. 

I may also add a few dwarf colour lights in the parts of the tunnels that are visible, in which case I'll have to add some more switches to the panel. The beauty of using the printed track diagrams is that I can easily modify and reprint them - the are simply done using Microsoft Word and its shapes.

The switches are on-on SPDT types but the two switches above the line of all the others will operate the 'feathers' that indicate a branch route, and will be on-off only, to be operated only on the green aspect of the switch below.

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The LT control panel installed using hinges to allow it to swing up for easier wiring.







Only four of the signals have been wired up so far.

The panel sits at an angle resting on two right-angle brackets, with some heat-shrink tubing dded to cushion them. I will be adding number labels to each switch.

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I must confess to great admiration for those with all these electrical skills, Counting you among them Jeff.
That panel looks the business.
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Thanks Derek. My electrical skills are basic but sufficient to work out most of my needs.

My wiring needs a bit of tidying up but I have designed it from the start with some modularity so that it is easily extended or shortened without having to rewire the whole lot.

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Having worked on two Hornby 2 BILs and my Ayjay Models 'Tin' 2 HAL with the yellow paint and transfers, I decided to pose them on the layout, just for a bit of fun.

The first two photos show just the 2 BILs, including the third, as yet untouched, NRM version of unit 2090, unit 2147 with full yellow ends, and unit 2134 with small yellow panels. The third photo shows the 6BIL formation with the 'Tin" HAL added. this will receive unit number 2694.







Once Hornby produce their 2 HAL units from the 2014 announcements, the possible formations will be even more interesting.

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I have been working on the Bratchell class 319/1 a little more and it has actually run in service. I added the third rail shoe beams (or, more correctly, height limiting bars) to both this and the earlier Bratchell class 455/8 I was building. While I had the 455 out, I also finished off the front handrails and jumper cables/receptacles.

With all that going on, I decided to have a Network SouthEast (NSE) running session.

In the two photos below, the trains at Newton Broadway are, from left to right, the Hornby class 92, 92 022, on a Speedlink freight (the rear of the train), the Bratchell class 455/8, 455 835, the Bratchell class 319/1, 319 174, and a Bachmann class 416/2, 6225.





From the other end of the station, looking under the rail overbridge, from left to right are 319 174, 455 835, and 92 022.




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One thing about my platform construction and finish didn't look quite right to me and that was the light grey edging extending down the ramps at each end. A thin white line will be added to the edges of the level surfaces later but there always seemed to be a discontinuity at the ends of the real thing. I have corrected a couple of spots along the edges of the platform where particular items of stock rubbed or caught, most notably the Dapol Western at the curved edge on the right of the platform. I also levelled a couple of bits, before painting the ramp edges coal black (Humbrol #85) and touching up the light grey elsewhere.

However, while doing this I  noticed there was some distortion at two of the section joints, one at each end of the platform. This seems to be a result of the plasticard base expanding in the heat (we are now on our fourth day of 40+ degree Celsius heat, with evening and night temperatures in the high 20s and low 30s). I am hoping I won't have to cut and trim anything after it all cools off again over the weekend (cooler change on the way).










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Another job I have been putting off for some time is fitting some sort of interior detail to the Hornby Dublo signal box that masquerades as an LT box.

It should probably really have the Westinghouse electro-pneumatic style of miniature levers but after much thought, I realised that no one would be able to see such a system inside the box anyway, so opted to use the old style levers. With this in mind, I ordered the Smiths/W & T etched brass levers. These were duly assembled over a couple of evenings, with many pauses to cool off again from the heat. I can't say I did a brilliant job with these, but once they are painted they will look OK. The frame was stuck to a small rectangle of 40 thou plasticard acting as a sort of plinth. This was trimmed down a bit once I had the final size of the frame.

I cut a false floor out of 40 thou plasticard, designed to fit the shaped end of the signal box and overlap the recess in the floor/roof at the other end. Onto that I stuck a floor cut to exact shape from Wills' wooden planking.

The wooden floor was stuck to the false floor with solvent, while the lever frame/plinth was then glued towards the front windows of the box, roughly centrally along the floor planking. A small rectangle of black plastic was glued to the shaped end of the box to allow the floor to rest against it and prevent me from pushing it too far upwards.

I will draw up and print a track diagram to mount on the back wall of the box, and add some more furniture for the signalmen to use (desks, chairs, etc.).

Anyway, here are some photos to show what I am talking about.











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I worked on a miniature track diagram for the signal box last night, partly of the layout around Newton Broadway and partly fictional tracks, signals and stations on either side of the "known" bits.

I created the diagram in Microsoft Word, using the line and shape tools. I then took a screen snapshot using the snipping tool built into Windows and loaded the resulting image into Paint Shop Pro (Photoshop would be just as good!) for a little 'fettling' and adding the green background.

I then loaded the image back into word and resized it to suit the 40 mm width available on the back wall of the signal box, printed it on the colour laser printer, then cut it out. I cut a 40 thou plasticard panel, slightly over-depth, and glued the printed panel onto the plasticard, then glue the whole panel into the signal box. The result is rather pleasing, I think



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Continuing with the LT signal box, I have painted the interior floor and put the first coat of paint on the levers - these are mostly either black for points or red for home signals (which are all 2-aspect here). I made a high bench from scrap bits of plastic. I'll add some printed matter to it as I proceed with the project.







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And here are a couple more shots of progress. I have added a figure I think looks like a signalman and probably need to find another as well. I made up a train register book for the bench. All of this is based on what little I know of signalling rules and practices and rather a lot of assumptions, including one that LT used much the same as BR and its predecessors. I think it looks reasonable and feasible, anyway, although I have no doubt there are a few experts out there who can  correct me if I am wrong (please do!).




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Well you certainly have improved the old Hornby/Dublo signal box !  The box has come up great with the interior, levers, glazing and signal man. Fantastic job. :thumbs Now for some warm white LEDs...

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It's funny you should mention the LEDs, Gary!

A while ago I bought some LED lighting strips from a dealer on eBay (also available from the likes of Jaycar). I bought 5 metre reels of warm white strip and cool white strip for around $AUS15 each. The strips come with resistors already built in and work off 12V DC, and are marked with cutting points and solder pads every three LEDs. I had carriage lighting in mind (Hornby 2 BILs in particular) but they are also ideal for lighting buildings.




I cut one strip of three Surface Mount LEDs and soldered some wires to it, then mounted it in the ceiling of the signal box - the strips are self-adhesive but they don't stick well to the matte paint I used on the inside of the cabin so I used some black-tack to secure the strip and the wires. I had to file a small semi-circular notch in the floor assembly to let the wires pass through to baseboard level.

I hooked the wires up to my test analogue controller, which has a controlled output but also has 12V DC uncontrolled and 16V AC uncontrolled outputs, noting which was the positive wire as I did so. The result was just a teensy bit bright!!





I could add a higher resistance into the circuit but I thought a diffuser would serve to distribute the light as well as toning it down a bit. Some 10 thou plasticard was cut to fit the ceiling area and Blu-Tacked into place. This was somewhat better.



I still have to add some more fittings and furniture into the box, including something like an armchair, a clock, a couple of phones and possibly a stove. There's also a white metal cat awaiting painting!

You can see the wires running down next to the door. They will be painted to look like pipes.

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Lights do look good ! A good way of hiding the wiring is to use individual thin brass wire lengths. These can be soldered up to the LED, bent into shape to fit the walls and roof and then painted to match the interior. If you run then down the wall, they will look like electrical conduits, rather than down pipes ! Come to think of it, the signal box on Jacks Corner utilises the down pipe at the rear of the building as one of the power feeds...



Cheers, Gary.

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Normally I'd say the brass wire was a good idea but the old Dublo box is all metal, except for my additions. I even had to put small bits of paper under the ends of the lighting strip to make sure the solder pads didn't touch the metal ceiling.


:mutley

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True, but I did say paint the wire. This could be done with enamels which would stop any electrical contact. The other option is to make the metal box a power source of its own and only run one wire... ;-);-) 

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Yes, that would work, using the whole box as a common return! Could be interesting if it comes into contact with something else live!!

:shock:  :shock:  :shock:

I did a little wiring this morning, so here it is in situ on the layout.





The lights are still a bit too bright but the overall effect is good.

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With the arrival of an ESU LokProgrammer, I decided that I needed to do something about switching the programming track, because the LokProgrammer is really only intended for ESU products.

I found some spare 6 way 2 pole rotary switches left over from the cab control of my old layout's Middlehurst branch, which would allow me to switch three (or more) controls to the programming track with some 'off' positions to isolate it as well.

So, I have wired the LokProgrammer/computer to one position, the original programming output from my NCE Power Pro system to another position, and a Power Cab to a third one - the Power Pro 'talks' properly to the computer allowing full read back and programming from Decoder Pro on the computer, whereas the Power Cab has some limitations on this through its USB interface but, on the other hand, the Power Cab has a little more 'oomph' for programming sound decoders.

I could also add a 12V DC output to one of the spare pairs of terminals on the switch too, which would allow me to use the rolling road and run DC locomotives in before chipping them.

The switch was mounted on a piece of stout plasticard and a label printed up on the computer, with a little trial and error to get things to line up satisfactorily. It's not perfect but it works well and doesn't look too bad.

I must label that Power Cab Panel to ensure that no one tries to use it to drive the layout - it is programming track only





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Going well Jeff.
Its amazing how many gadgets have got into model railway builds with the event of the two wire system.
I have yet to try fitting a decoder, I just look at my DCC control packages challanging me to open them.
Those wires look very tempting as playthings for Toby!
Keep up the good work,
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Here is my straight out of the box latest arrival, Heljan's new tooling class 33/0 D6570, side by side with old tooling D6585 with modified cab roof profiles.










The main (large) side grilles on the new version are a little too prominent but overall it does look better than the original. I particularly like the new bogie side frames, although the brake blocks are still not in line with the wheel treads. It is nice to have the original roof layout modelled properly too.


I did a little extra wiring to the programming/test track to include a controlled 12V DC supply, using one of the erstwhile neutral positions on the switch I showed in my post of Monday 27th January (post #316 http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=7883&forum_id=21&page=16#p212486). This allowed me to set up the rolling road and run the locomotive in a bit on DC before fitting a decoder.


D6570 is currently fitted with a TCS M1P decoder, after burning out a cheap Hattons one! I will try to get something a little beefier to replace the TCS one but I have run out of good quality 8-pin decoders (I usually like ESU ones for Heljan locos but Lenz are also ideally suited). I do have plenty of good quality 21-pin decoders in stock but they are of no use here!!

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Another new addition to the locomotive stud: a Bachmann clss 47, 47 715 Haymarket, in Network SouthEast livery. Thi is straight out of the box apart from adding the coupling on one end and adding a Lenz Silver+ 21 pin decoder after some initial running-in on the rolling road on DC.

It is seen here on 'menial' engineers' duties!

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Today I had a visit from Neil Wood. We chatted and ran trains for a while and I showed him what I had been up to since his last visit. He must have inspired me because I started tweaking the building positions and levels a little more. The results, so far, are shown below in pictures.

There is still much to be done but each time I do these little tweaks and adjustments and rearrangements, it gets a little better and just a little closer to being finished. Ignore the glue bottle - it is fulfilling a useful function there by holding a section of roadway down while the glue sets!












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One more, after adding a few more of the card bases to even up the increments of the slope of the terraced houses.

I had a little help from Toby, who just had to stick his nose in to see what I was doing. He insisted on holding the otehr end of the card as I was cutting, with his teeth and paws!!  

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Latest arrivals on Newton Broadway are the three Motor Luggage Vans from Bachmann. They are in London & South East 'jaffa cake' livery, Post Office red livery and Network South East livery. The PO and NSE ones are actually the same van (68004) at slightly different times in its life, so the NSE one will be renumbered soon. At this point all are running on DC but I will be fitting decoders soon - I find the Lenz ones work particularly well with the Bachmann EMUs but if I don't have any of those, TCS EU621 decoders also work well.



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With a view to the fact that I am hosting a BRMA meeting in August, I decided it was time to do a few improvements to the bridges and viaducts, as well as continuing work on the village roads and levels.

The viaducts at the end of the layout are only currently set up as 'dummies' to make them moderately presentable. They do not represent the final arrangement or appearance, either before or after this work as it stands. The whole lot is only lightly Blu-tacked into place and the lattice girders have no visible means of support (yet!).








The railway bridge at the other end of the station has also only had temporary girders and fittings previously and looked like it needed a central support structure as well. I have Blu-tacked some supporting girders into place to judge the effect and whether I think the girders look substantial enough. I do have some new Peco girder kits to use to replace the recycled ones that were previously there.






The village roads are being laid in card, with various infill pieces of expanded polystyrene being added or bits cut away so that things 'flow' more. It is tedious and time consuming, particularly waiting for glues to set before doing the next bit. At the time of the photos, I had one section still weighed down with locomotives and buses.







I will have to look at the car parking in the village: that AEC Merlin is going to have a tight squeeze getting past the parked mini and Austin Atlantic!

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Just a few more pics continuing on from the previous post (and minus the locomotives in the road!)











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This is much nearer what I had in mind for this bridge. There is still much to do but it's a start. The idea is to open up an area to be able to see the trains, while the arched viaduct section allows only glimpses as the trains pass. The inspiration comes from a rail over road bridge at Oxted, which combines a lattice section and brick arches, although its construction appears  little more complex than I am attempting - mine is intended to give the 'flavour' without taking me years to build!





The main deck is balsa wood, with Plastruct 'H' section girders, in turn supported by lattice girders made up from four of the Ratio Pratt Truss kits, intended for signal gantries.

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Here are the results of my latest extravagance! New, simplified SECR livery 271 is towards the rear, while the previous issue with full lining 592 is on the nearer track. I really shouldn't have bought the second SECR one but I couldn't resist!








271 doesn't have all its fittings added yet, although I added a crew (probably slightly too modern). After running in on the rolling road on DC, it became smoother and the initial slight waddle from the front end reduced as it ran, so I fitted a Bachmann 36-557 decoder, which works OK but is a little 'chattery' - I didn't have any other 21-pin decoders in stock. I will change the decoder to something better later (I ordered some Lenz ones from Hattons).

I'm a little annoyed with myself, though, because I managed to knock the brake standard on the tender while I was fitting the decoder.

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Some more work done this evening on the bridge supports and retaining walls. The brickwork is Vollmer embossed card which is actually intended for N scale, but I think looks right for OO.

There is much still to do, including some reinforcing around the bases of the walls and also at the joints between cards, probably using balsa wood. I can still lift the whole structure off the layout to get at the interior of the thing.

The Blu-Tack is holding things together while the PVA glue sets - wonderful stuff, Blu-Tack!! Once it is all dry and reasonably solid, I will repair and dress the corner joints and colour the card edges, before weathering it all down a bit.







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And a couple more photos of the same thing, without the distrcting Blu-Tack blobs!



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Here's another extravagance on my part, another for the showcase rather than the layout, although it runs as well as these Triang-Hornby types ever did. It is yet another Brush type 2 but this time in the electric blue livery white roof and lining. I always particularly liked this livery, fanciful as it was, and wish the real one had been so treated. As it was, D5578 was painted blue but with a blue roof and no lining ... and unlike the earlier Triang model in blue, it also didn't sport the eggshell blue cab window surrounds either.





I actually paid a reasonable price from eBay, from a British trader. It was unboxed and I didn't really care whether it ran or not, plus the description made it sound in slightly worse condition than it is (which is good!), so it was a pleasant surprise to find it looked so good and ran perfectly (well, as perfectly as these motors ever did!).

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Does anyone remember the 1970s when the "in" colour to slap onto everything that didn't move was Mission Brown (at least, here in Australia)? Well, I have just had flashbacks while slapping some Mission Brown paint onto Church Hill to tone down the stark whiteness in preparation for the BRMA meeting in less than two weeks from now. This is a stop-gap measure as the hill still needs some extra layers and shaping. The paint is an acrylic 'low sheen' finish but in the photos it is still quite wet.





As with the rest of the layout, there is still much to do before this area is really what I could call complete.

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Like the shot through the bridge Jeff.

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sparky wrote: Like the shot through the bridge Jeff.
so do I,you seem to making good progress Jeff,
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Many thanks, guys.

The shot through the bridge does seem quite effective but is not normally viewable for humans, only cameras (or phone cameras) held at an awkward angle!!!

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Some new additions to the rolling stock arrived a couple of days ago. I received the Hornby 1960s Brighton Belle centre coaches from Hattons and the motor coaches plus a BR blue 2 BIL unit from Rails.

The blue BIL has now entered service on my layout, with a Hattons decoder as per all my other BILs, and has been running as part of a six car formation (as a DCC advanced consist). Unit 2134 in green with the small yellow panels and first class yellow stripes added leads, with 2086 next (straight out of the box Hornby), with unit 2147 bringing up the rear. 2147 is the unit I renumbered from a second 2134, with full yellow ends and first class stripes added.






The new Belle, 3052, on my layout. I have yet to add headcodes and the roof boards. This one has been fitted with a Lenz Standard decoder. I'll have to do the same for my blue and grey 5 BEL unit, which currently has the factory-fitted Hornby decoder.




Also visible in the photos are 4 CEP unit 7126, class 25/3 D7368 on a transfer freight, and further back on the branch line, 2H unit 1115.

Ignore the wagons and LT panniers in the foreground on temporary tracks.

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The new 5 BEL reminded me that I never got around to photographing the original blue and grey version I got last year.

Here it is, also posed for good measure with the new one in the second photo. I believe they did run with mixed liveries for a very short time, although the umber/cream units would all have had small yellow panels on their fronts by that time (1969). Since you can't see this in my photo, it looks perfectly reasonable as a formation of that time. Of course, what you cannot see in the photo is the fact that neither unit actually has any end couplings!!



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Hi Jeff

For some reason (don't ask me why) the blue and grey livery just looks nicer

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I always preferred the umber and cream for the Pullmans, myself.

The worst scheme of all was that applied to just a few Pullman coaches in the Golden Arrow; that was the reversed grey and blue scheme, which looked fine (to me) on more modern stock but was absolutely hideous and totally lacked sympathy for the old-style Pullman coaches. After that, at least BR applied some white lining and other sympathetic touches to the Belle and 'Arrer coaches.

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Hi Jeff,
The layouts looking good.  Good progress there.
I think you should call in the Ghostbusters.  That Blu-tac is just the thing.  Very usefull stuff.
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I set to work during school holidays to improve the roads in the village area. While there are a few lumps and bumps, edges to reinforce, and a rather sharp dip to sort out, plus improving a couple of the corners, I am rather pleased with the effect so far. So bear in mind there is still a bit more work to do (how many times have I used that line in this thread, now??) but it is still measurable progress too.














 The rough alignment for the level crossing is apparent in that second last photo.

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A new arrival: I just couldn't resist and I knew I had to jump in quickly or potentially miss out altogether, so here is the freshly DCC'd Hornby NRM LSWR M7 0-4-4T. I did manage to knock one of the tank balance pipes off - these are just so delicate. I'll find a way to fix it later.

The other hassle was in fitting a suitable decoder. All of my other M7s have TCS DP2X-UK decoders but newer versions ae slightly larger and don't fit. I purchased a DCC Concepts Zen direct plug-in decoder but that was also too wide, so I had to wade through my spreadsheet list of all the decoders fitted to my stock to find another DP2X-UK decoder in a setting that could, perhaps, be changed to something else. I located one in my Hornby Schools, 924 St Lawrence. In dismantling that, further disasters manifested themselves in the handling: even though the decoder goes in the tender and that was easy to dismantle, I dislodged one of the cab rear handrails while separating the loco wires and plug from the tender. Then, after fitting a Lenz Standard+ decoder, reassembling the tender and gluing the handrail, the front bogie dropped off - the little plastic sleeve had detached itself from the spigot. That meant removing the chassis from the locomotive itself.

Anyway, eventually, both locomotives were able to be reprogrammed and tested. It is amazing how complicated it can become just trying to fit a suitable decoder in one locomotive!!






And an 'artistic' version of that second photo, where I have tried to age the photo a bit.

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Lovely those old Victorian style loco,s Jeff.
Your railway is coming along a treat with loads of different scenes and of course you have Toby,s valuable assistance.
As its that time of the year,
Have a Merry Christmas.
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Thanks Derek.
Merry Christmas to you too and your family, and to everyone else in YMR and their familes too. 
:cheers

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Lovely looking loco Jeff, the colour and lining is very impressive. :thumbs 

I see that Hornby has announced the S15 Class and a LSWR liveried version of the LSWR class 415 Adams Radial Tank, a replica of the Bluebell Railway’s 488.

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Yes. I'm definitely in the market for an S15 or two (or three or four). Not so sure about the Adams Radial, although I have ridden behind the Bluebell one.

Thankfully, there is time to save up!

The lining on the M7 is quite impressive and, while not quite as elaborate as the Bachmann SECR C, it's the equal in quality and finish.

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And now for something completely different ...

I now own a Gresley P2 in LNER livery! This one is Hornby but not the TTS one and not the RailRoad one. I bought it off a friend who ended up with two of them. As it had a missing front buffer (easily repaired), I got it for a very reasonable price. It is now fitted with a Lenz Standard+ decoder and runs fairly sweetly with a hint of gear whine that is gradually reducing with use.

I am treating it as a "might have been" preserved example, so it is posed here with a 'raspberry ripple' set of BR mark 1 coaches (Bachmann) and with some Hornby Pullmans.







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Oh how I wish I had room for a bigger layout :cry:

Nice pictures Jeff.


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Thanks, Ed. I think that no matter how much room we have, we always want a little more! :lol:

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I do so like these green locos! I just don't know where to go with New End [a 1940s terminus set around an Inglenook puzzle], I've got a SR Early crest well tank, a GWR cream and choccy diesel railcar and a green GWR pannier, now SWMBO wants a Terrier after seeing this months RM with the new 'O' gauge version.....Agghh!

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Doug, there is always the GWR green liveried Terrier, 'Portishead'... ;-);-)    Now, back to Jeff's thread.., Great looking loco Jeff. Preservation is a wonderful thing and a great excuse for having such locos on the layout. ;-)

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Yes, good idea, Gary, the scenarios would take a bit of concocting though!

Jeff, the P2 has just been reviewed in Hornby magazine (I have an on-line subscription) and I am very tempted, to 'display' next to my Flying Scotsman. A lucky buy indeed.

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The P2 is just one of those rare, iconic locomotives that are a 'must have'!

Doug, Gary is right regarding the GW liveried terrier. Seeing as how you have a mix of early BR(S) and GW stuff, you could invent a fictional line joining the SR 'withered arm' and the GW around the time of nationalisation. 

Alternatively, places like Yeovil were served by both railways/regions for a time. It would not take too much imagination to mix the GW and SR stuff there. The Beattie well tanks were usually limited to the Wadebridge - Wenfordbridge branch but did escape occasionally, particularly when on the way to Eastleigh works.

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Thanks for that, Jeff! The idea appeals and anything to keep the Management on-side re railway modelling has to be a good move.

(Iconic was the wordI was thinking of but it's early Sunday morning here..)

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Nothing to actually show for this, but I have spent half the day wiring in the first of the point motors. I have used the old stud and probe method of activation, hooked up to a 16V AC output on my old H & M Duette controller (which also controls trains when switched to DC analogue operation).

It isn't actually difficult wiring these up, just tedious and fiddly.

Anyway, the first one is a success. Only eight more to follow on the Underground circuits. I'm not sure how many will be required on the upper level main lines yet but there are already eight in place for the upper fiddle yard with six or eight more required for the other end of the loops and several more for the loco shed and sidings, for which my plans haven't yet been finalised.

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A lighter moment at Newton Broadway: for a bit of fun, I posed a preservation running day. Here we have the Hornby rebuilt Merchant Navy 35005, Canadian Pacific, in BR blue (a livery that suits it well even though it only ever wore it in preservation, at least in its rebuilt form) passing Hornby P2 2001, Cock o' the North in LNER green. 

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I just spent most of the afternoon doing a little track laying, made easier because I have been able to clear most of the stock off the upper level since buying the extra Ikea Alex unit. There is now a continuous flow from the fiddle yard right around the curve at the right-hand end of the layout.


The class 166 driving coaches are my spacing gauges - they are the widest and longest items of stock I possess, so are the ones I use to test clearances.


I also cut away a little of the church hill to allow for the future level crossing.

The curves look tight but are actually not too bad, being roughly equivalent to the set track 3rd and 4th radii or slightly larger.








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Looking good Jeff. :thumbs 

Would I be correct saying the curves on the lower deck would be the same radii ?

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Hi Gary.
The lower level curves are slightly sharper, so the inner radius is around 3rd radius. The upper level is closer to 4th and 5th radius (in spite of what I said earlier) but tightens slightly in the middle. As it is all done with flexible track by eye, without templates, there is a little bit of variation.

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Lovely transition curves there Jeff.

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Nice neat track laying Jeff.
I too use eyeball mark 1 when laying curves. Plus given the period I intend to cover the coaches were a lot shorter.
The trick with radius is to get in some transition and ease into the sharper bits.
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Thanks Marty and Derek.

I do try to use transitions. Normally I pin near the joint with the straight track, then pin the middle of the track on the alignment I want while holding the other end loosely on the continued alignment. I then let the track find its own transition from the mid-point to the straight, before pinning that somewhere in the middle of that section.

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Illustrating what I said before about the radii, I have posed a piece of set track 3rd radius track (Hornby R309) beside my freshly laid curves and you can see that mine are not quite to commercial radii but are somewhere between 3rd and 4th radius (inner) and 4th and 5th radius (outer), being a little closer to the second figure for each.

I also allow a little extra room for clearances between the tracks but close the spacing up a little along the straight or very gently curved stretches.

That Hornby track matches very closely the radius of the inner curve on the lower level (in fact, I used it as the template for that).




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While I was waiting for some downloads and updates to complete on the train room computer (it's an old Pentium D one cobbled together from left-over bits after upgrading the good desktops), I cut some thin card to form a template for the level crossing. This will be refined a bit before finalising it.

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I was planning to use the old fashioned style of gates, at least initially, with the possibility of leaving them as plug-in units so I could swap later to more modern image barriers, depending on what era I choose to run.

I do have some Peco gates, and the old Airfix level crossing kit had some half decent gates as well (now in the Dapol range).

In the meantime, I have been active again this afternoon, laying a little more third and fourth rail, with the usual swearing as chairs pinged off repeatedly into the distance! This is filling in a gap that I had previously left out, between the tunnel mouth and the crossover on the inner track. I am trialling some code 55 rail with this lot.

I still have to add a ramp on the third rail ending just before the point at the crossover.



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I get that feeling that you would have preferred to put then 'third rail' in prior to the top decking going down...! ;-)

I will say, what a great job you're making of the third rail, excellent. :thumbs

Cheers, Gary.

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Thanks Gary.

You are correct in a sense; I have been deliberately leaving most of the bridges, viaducts and tunnels loose for the time being, to allow me easier access to the low level tracks while I fit the third and fourth rail.

For the same reason, tempting as it is to race ahead, I have not fitted any backscenes yet, which would get in the way of laying the third rail on the upper level, even though those would improve the appearance and the photographic opportunities immensely. It really is a case of keeping an eye on the order that things must be done.

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And today, while getting frustrated with the computer, I finished off the third and fourth rail laying on the branch line. I have to add the flattened ramps at the ends of the outside (third) rails ... when I find where I have put them!





This now completes the third and fourth rail this end of the layout - roughly one-third of the visible track. I have to keep going through the station loops, then the crossover and plain track at the other end where I tend to take most of my photographs (it has the only greenery at the moment!).

It is interesting to contrast the difference between London Transport's bus red and train red.

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I have been breaking my back lately, not just with the third and fourth rail laying, but also wiring up the points. I deliberately left the tags only slightly bent over on the Peco point motors, so I could remove them to solder the wires on without too much difficulty. That was the easy bit, as reinserting them into the slots from underneath while trying not to dislodge the Peco micro-switches proved a little awkward with a couple of the points which were positioned behind some of the framework under the boards.

Peco studs and probe are used for control, and power comes from the 16V AC output of my ancient H & M Duette. On test, even the crossover can be thrown with no hesitation whatsoever from both solenoids throwing at the same time (from the same contact). I have been using twisted pairs of wire to double-up the feeds to allow full current to be carried. Even so, I ran out of coloured-pairs for colour coding the wires, so there are a couple of mismatched feeds I'll just have to live with. While there is not much to show, the studs in the control panel give the game away, and also show that I still have one crossover left to wire up. I ran out of wire, although I know I have another reel of it somewhere l I tidied it up and can't find it!




Behind the panel, I have sealed each of the contacts with hot glue to ensure no possible contact between adjacent studs.

On a different tack, I got fed up with forgetting which side of the Power Cab Panel (PCP) I had to plug the NCE Power Cab into for the programming track, so found a white paint pen and put some marks in that I can't ignore!

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I bought some more wire today to finish off the last of the point motors. I couldn't get the multi-coloured ribbon wires I like so settled for some fairly substantial automotive wire instead. It has totally destroyed any semblance of colour coding I had for the rest! It all works now, though, although one of the polarity feed wires dropped off the micro-switch while I was reseating the switch, but all fixed now.

This is very similar to the previous shot but shows the last empty holes now filled with the Peco stud contacts.




And this is what it looks like from behind. Note many of the signal switches are still unwired. That's for another day.

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I wired one more signal in today, a small two-aspect signal in the tunnel mouth.






After that, I had a short running session. A Western interloper was seen passing Newton Broadway on the loop line. The green cab interior is actually just the green signal shining in and reflecting off the light cab interior walls!




All of the signals and the signal box interior lights are being run off a dedicated 12V DC supply. They are all a bit on the bright side, even with the correct resistors in line, so I will experiment later with an extra resistance at the source to step the voltage down just a little.

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Jeff really enjoying  seeing the build, it all looks great, just one question are you using hornby track and points ?
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Hi and thanks for the compliment.

I use Peco code 100 flexible track and streamline electrofrog points. Generally I try to stick to medium and large radius points but may resort to smaller radius points when I get to the engine shed and goods sidings.

I found long ago that the Peco track is far more robust than any of the others I tried. Buying cheap track was a false economy, although I have no experience with more recent track from Hornby, except for using one of their R609 third radius curves as a guide for laying my own curves, which are actually slightly larger radius than that.

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Great Progress Jeff,
I do like your walled Railway Cuttings very true to life.
Best of luck with all that wireing as well.
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Thanks Derek.

Some parts of the cuttings are using temporary textures and walls, mainly for photographic purposes until I can get the 'real' scenery in place. Some will be different later, other bits will remain the same but will be glued in place! The walling around he station area is the final product but needs a bit of weathering and some wall capping to complete.

All in time!

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Here's one that might interest DougN: we had a friend drop over for a visit the other day. She has a G gauge garden railway but decided she rather liked the Model Rail 4mm LNER D11, so bought one and as a result, Newton Broadway had an unusual visitor. This was the first time it had been out of the box, but it ran beautifully when placed on the tracks (on DC analogue power).

The Pullman coaches were the nearest I could find to be even remotely suitable in appearance for the D11 to haul.









I have to admit that apart from cropping the photos, I have "photoshopped" the third one to eliminate the baseboard edges.

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Great looking loco Jeff, and the right shade of green  :thumbs


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Nice one Jeff,Very elegant looking loco,Your friend has good taste.A big change of scale for her from G gauge.
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great looking loco Jeff,but then I am an L N E R man layout looking good too,
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Not entirely convinced that the Vollmer viaducts are doing what I want, I have been experimenting with the Wills viaduct. The Vollmer ones have the brick finish I really want but the arches are a little narrow and don't quite give the view through to the trains that I would like. The Wills one has wider arches but is only available in a stone finish.

Anyway, I bought a three-arch kit to start with and have been cutting down the piers to suit my needs. The leftover pier components have provided material for a nice buttress to support the girder bridge section. 

I have another arch and pier kit on the way. Once that arrives, I can paint it all properly, but in the meantime I have done a wash of Humbrol #29, with a thin wash of their dark grey weathering wash to fill the mortar joints. I will be picking out stones in more colours but I want to do the whole lot in one go to keep it uniform. Then the full weathering will follow.

The clearances are very tight, so I may have to remove a little from the bottom sections of the piers at the baseboard edges, or I may add a thin strip of wood to the edges (25mm x 25mm square section, perhaps?).










I am re-using the Vollmer viaduct section further along the line, so it won't be wasted at all.

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A couple of pics of my new Bachmann E4 0-6-2T, 32500, in BR late crest livery.


After initially running it in on the rolling road rollers, on DC analogue power, I found that I had to tweak the wheel-back pickups slightly as a few of them weren't quite stretching the whole distance when the axles were pushed to their sideways extremes. Otherwise, it is a superb runner.


I fitted a CT Elektronik DCX75 6-pin decoder to mine. Initially it was a bit slow and pulled weakly on DCC (but was fine on DC, before fitting the chip). I have had no previous experience with CT Elektronik, so had to do a bit of digging on the Internet to see what needed to change. Anyway, after playing with a few of the BEMF and PWM settings using JMRI Decoder Pro, I now have a powerful little locomotive with a reasonable top speed that will move fractions of a millimetre in one second on speed step 1, albeit a little "chattery" when doing this ... a few more refinements to the tweaking should fix that. 


Once I have some 'definitive' settings that I am happy with, I'll post the settings here, if anyone else is interested. I need to keep track of them for myself as I have the LBSC version of the E4 still to come, and another CT Elektronik decoder awaiting the E4's arrival.









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very nice loco Jeff,
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After taking many of my photos of trains at the 'west' end of the layout, I decided that the unpainted plastic tunnel mouth deserved a bit of treatment. The result (so far) is this:




A little more work is needed before I find it totally convincing, but it is getting there.

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Latest arrival via eBay is this detailed and weathered Heljan Hymek. I always liked the early blue with small yellow panels and white window surrounds, so when this one came up at a reasonable price, I bid for it and won.

It has had a brass fan and grille added, all of the end pipes and screw coupings put on, and separate etched numerals attached.

It ran absolutely perfectly when tested on DC power, then again after fitting a Lenz Standard+ decoder (which had a side benefit of fitting neatly under the fan housing added by the original modeller).

It was sold as being without couplings, but I knew I could do something about this to make it fully operational for my own use. It has also had the headcode light bulbs removed. 

As a temporary measure, I have attached  couple of the Parkside NEM coupling adapters, packed up with a couple of squares of 60 thou plasicard to get the right height. This necessitated bending some of the buffer beam pipes aside slightly, or in one instance at each end, actually trimming the pipes.




Longer term, I have ordered the necessary parts from Howes in Kidlington to restore the lights, replace the early brass wheelsets with later Heljan plated examples, and the sprues with the coupling components to restore the ones attached to the bogies, which will mean removing the Parkside adapters again.

My research indicates that the number D7007 chosen by the original owner is inaccurate for this livery with the white window surrounds (it had blue ones, which looked absolutely dire, in my opinion). The research also indicates that I will only have to change one numeral under each cab side window to make an accurate choice for this livery. D7027 or D7047 are suitable candidates, although other numbers may also be easily changed (I have the necessary etched stainless steel numerals, bought some time ago to detail my green Hymek ... one of those 'round tuit' jobs!

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New models are suddenly coming into the shops thick and fast! While I haven't ordered all of them, I do have a few pre-orders which are turning up, or about to turn up. The latest is the Realtrack First Great Western class 143. It does have a tenuous connection with the Southern theme in that its destinations are Paignton and Exmouth, the latter of which used to be Southern Railway/Southern Region territory.

143 618 is seen here posed with 150 219, after having been fitted with a Lenz Standard+ decoder (that was a little tricky, especially as I fitted the plug the wrong way round on the first attempt!). It runs very nicely on plain track but has a little difficulty on my third and fourth rail ... mainly the fourth rail as the clearances under the central box arrangements containing the axles are very tight.








I expect to receive the Bachmann LBSCR E4 tank locomotive in the next week or so, and the Hornby 0700 in BR livery within a month, so more pics will follow soon.​

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Further to the previous post on the new Realtrack class 143 not liking the sections of track with third and fourth rail fitted, I suspected that it was the very low slung 'boxes' containing the axles and gear train, between the wheels dragging slightly on the fourth rail, especially as the whole arrangement is also sprung and can float just a little. The plastic 'caps' for these boxes just clip on and off, so I removed each of them in turn and filed a groove along the centre-line using a round file.

A quick track test proved I was right. The unit can now complete a circuit without assistance from the giant hand from the sky. There is still a small amount of drag at certain points (yup, you guessed it, the points!) but the unit was still able to negotiate these without any assistance. If I widen the groove slightly to allow for the diverging bits of fourth rail within the points the problem will be all but solved. Of course, this also means I won't have any such running problems when I add third rail to the upper level tracks. Even more incentive for me to get a move on and get the upper level running!

Edit: A quick photo showing the modification to the 'boxes' under the class 143.


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I have spent a good part of this weekend fiddling with new stock and the layout itself. I have received several new models, in addition to the class 143 mentioned in a recent post. The most challenging one was the new Bachmann First Great Western class 150/1, with the new style chassis and interior lights. This was run-in on DC using the rolling road and worked perfectly, as far as I could tell. The problems began when I went to fit a decoder. 

On placing the motor coach on the rollers and switching to the Power Cab programming track, the interior lights and red tail lights came on instantly and stayed on. That was suspicious for a start. The decoder, a Bachmann 36-557 (Soundtraxx) one, programmed fine for the address but when I switched the track to normal DCC mode, the lights remained as before, refusing to respond to the F0 key.

I removed the decoder and placed the coach back on the rollers with no blanking plug and the interior lights and tail lights again came on. I switched to DC power and the red tail lights only came on with one direction's polarity. Very odd!

I dismantled the unit completely and looked at the PCB carefully but could see no obvious problems. I put electrical insulation tape between it and the metal chassis, and ran the same tests with no blanking plug or decoder fitted, with still the same results. At this point I got fed up and emailed Bachmann support to ask for advice, and the original supplier (Amanda Jane Models) to advise that I may have to make a warranty claim. Both replied very promptly (with due regard to the 9 hour time difference between me and the UK): Bachmann support suggesting that I should check pins 21 and 22 or pins 7 and 8 for possible shorts, and Amanda offering to pay the return post and packing for the model if it did need to be returned, so I would like to compliment the excellent follow up and service from both parties here. I should make clear here that the fault would not have been obvious if either Bachmann or Amanda had tested the unit on DC.

I examined the PCB and the 21-pin carrier board for the cause of the problem with a strong light and my optivisor magnifier. The soldered tracks at the bottom of the carrier board had a small sliver of solder bridging the tracks from pins 21 and 22. Scraping that away with a sharp, fine screwdriver fixed the problem and I was finally able to feel safe in fitting a decoder.As this unit is intended to run in multiple with my FGW class 150/2 (described in my blog with the Electra vinyl overlays), I thought it would be a bit strange with one unit lit and the other (with old style solid chassis block in the motor vehicle) unlit. My plan had been to see if I could swap with the Collectors Club Silverlink unit, also with older style chassis but fitted with sound. I can report that this is perfectly feasible, with the proviso that the cab interiors have also to be swapped to remain with their originally fitted chassis. 

The two FGW units are now running around on matching old style chassis, while the Silverlink one now has interior lights as well as sound.

Going back one step, while awaiting a response from Bachmann's support, I fitted the new LBSC E4 0-6-2T with its CT Elektronik decoder, which worked perfectly well straight out, but with the high pitched whine I reported from the BR version as originally fitted. I connected the programming track to the computer and JMRI Decoder Pro, put in the settings from 32500's set up and presto, no 579 now behaves more quietly as well.

I have set up three pre-grouping trains to run and took a few photos, although I forgot to hide the Silverlink 150, so that is lurking in the background in a couple of the shots - I cropped one to eliminate all the anachronisms I could.








While fiddling with the layout itself, I have started cutting some Wills planking to form part of the level crossing. I haven't done the bits between the rails yet but I think I'll use more planking but formed into sort of chevron with curved edges to follow the rails - that is, I'll form each bit from two halves cut at an angle to each other, as I think this would look more realistic than having the planks completely straight with their edges following the inner and outer rails. I'll post pictures of this when it is done.

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Just a teensy bit more progress with the level crossing. It is not based on any real level crossing but is a bit of a hash up of several bits and pieces I have seen in photos.

The major parts are Wills wood planking, with a little bit of Wills cobbles leading up to the planking. The one 'tween rails bit I have done has a layer of card under the planking to set it at the right height above the sleepers. I need to put a little packing under the outer bits as well.

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Ever since I put in the brickwork for the overbridge at the end of the station loops, I have been aware that if this was real, an engine driver would not be able to see the signal for the through loop. I recently ordered a Berko 2-aspect signal with a right-hand cranked head, and this arrived two days ago. A quick bit of soldering to extend the wires, and a quick swap of wires in the 'chocolate block' terminals connecting the wires to the switch on the control panel has resulted in a signal that can now be seen by my 4mm scale train drivers.




It's the red one on the left under the bridge!

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On the weekend just gone, I decided to do something about the too steep drop on the hill in the village. A couple of layers of card tapered to a single layer where it joins the old road surface and the appearance is much better, as well as now allowing the 4mm bus drivers to get down the hill and around the bend without scraping the ends of their buses!

I still need to paint and texture the road surfaces properly and to blend the slight level changes where the different bits of card meet, but it is taking shape and I am much happier with the result now.



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I'm still running pre-grouping trains at the moment and have been working on some Smallbrook Studio LSWR 'road van' kits (see my workbench topic for the details). Here I have posed the 18T D.1542 van with a Hornby LSWR M7. The van is all but complete now, after receiving another coat of matt varnish this morning. I have accidentally omitted one door handle on each side, so those remain to be done before I can say it is properly finished.

I also tweaked one of the photos to give it an older feel.





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Hi Jeff,

Just catching up with your posts. You have been busy!

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Hi Dave. Yes, lots of little tasks here and there, but they do add up to actually getting something done over time. :)

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Two things to show off here ... or really three things in two photos!

One is my new maroon CCT from Invicta Models. I have already painted the ends black to back-date it slightly. I also toned down the wheel faces a little with paint (although you can't see it in this photo!). It is a very nice model but I had a little difficulty ascertaining which of the add-on detail pipes and fittings went where. I eventually found a photo that showed my guesses were correct.




I have also now eliminated the gap under the bridge support girders, using layers of plasticard with recesses built-in to accept and locate the girder ends. The girders are vertical and parallel, in spite of what it looks like in the photo: a combination of the back walls being angled, and the lens distortion towards the edges of the photo make them look quite out of plumb! A quick coat of buff and black paints makes the job look more complete.

I was also going to start on the plate girders above the track level, replacing the temporary, recycled ones I have had Blu-tacked in place so far. However, I haven't found where I put the new girder kits! They aren't in the box I thought they were in, so I'll have to keep looking.

Also showing in the pic are my Bachmann LT pannier tank, which is still crying out for a little weathering, plus two ex-BR brake vans which came from the Bachmann train sets. Both were numbered the same, so I used some Modelmaster transfers to renumber one, before weathering it to provide a contrast to the original.




I really need to renumber two of the three identical low-sided wagons I have  as well. The Modelmaster sheet has quite a few suitable alternatives. Maybe later. :)

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A progress report on building up the plate girder bridge sides, using the Wills vari-girder kits. I bought quite a few of these kits with a view to replacing those temporary, recycled sides which were acting as place-holders. I have used up two complete kits so far, plus a few sprues from the third kit. 

The nearest sides are virtually complete, but the other, longer side is single-sided so far. I have to duplicate the panels to provide the double thickness, then add the top plates.

I am using some 40 thou plasticard to form a lip at the bottom, to allow a little overhang at the sides of the bridge. At this stage, I am thinking that I will probably use some half-height panels for the lower overlays, to be attached directly to the wooden sides of the bridge deck.





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Continuing the work on the plate girder bridge sides, the next photos show how I have added the plasticard base and the Wills top plates. I'm no civil engineer, but I thought the very long span on the far side should have extra support or bracing to be realistic, so added an extra layer of the top plates. The first  photo shows the side without the top plates fitted, and the plasticard base only partly fitted.




The next two show the sides tack glued in place with Blu-tack to hold them while the glue sets.






The next two show the upper sides in what I hope to be the final configuration, but as yet unpainted.

I also cut one Wills panel in half to see what that would look like as another layer along the sides of the wooden deck. It is only Blu-tacked in place here. An alternative idea is to do a 'U' or 'L'-girder with the flanges facing outwards horizontally. The jury is still out on this! Either solution will require a little rebate cut into the brickwork to represent a support buttress.






Edit: Another thought occurred to me: I could use some of the Wills panels sideways, so they would be shallower but longer between ridges. That would be easier as cutting all those panels accurately in half is a little daunting!

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Illustrating that last idea:

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Taking a break from the bridgeworks, I decided to improve the realistic photographic opportunities by improving the tunnel and blocking off much of the background visible through it. There is still much baseboard work to do so this is by no means the final solution, but it does what I want for the moment.

The tunnel mouth needs to be opened out very slightly to clear modern 23m stock, particularly the class 166 I use as gauging vehicles. I have used a crude internal wrapper of card with Superquick engineers' blue brick paper glued inside. I also painted the wooden support behind that and positioned it as best I could to block off the view of the white wall behind it.

The first photo shows the 'behind the scenes' clutter and bodgy bits ( ;) ) while the other two show the scenic side, with the BR E4 0-6-2T hauling parcels stock in the last one.





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Freshly arrived this morning is a Hornby 700 class 0-6-0, 30315 in late BR livery.

I ran it for an hour in each direction on DC power on my rolling road, then fitted a TCS DP2X-UK direct plug-in decoder. 

It ran very sweetly indeed with the TCS decoder, with only the inertia/momentum settings tweaked, as is my norm. I used CV3 = 25 and CV4 = 17.

It ran in service for the first time hauling a parcels rake of mixed four-wheel and bogie vehicles. There were no clearance problems with my third and fourth rail installations.






All in all a very pleasing purchase. :)

Edit: I just spotted the crooked tool box in the tender. I had to reglue it because I knocked it off while adjusting the tender drawbar to the closer setting. I have now straightened it up again. Sometimes these photos can be useful for showing such things where they would not otherwise have been noticed for goodness knows how long!

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A little more refinement to the plate girder bridge: an initial coat of paint has been applied to hide the white plasticard, and the brick support pier has been trimmed to better suit the bridge layout. The Vollmer embossed brick card has been trimmed and folded to suit, and a temporary infill piece of brickwork added to cover the gap left between the pier and the stone retaining wall.








I have also done a little more with the level crossing but no pics taken yet.

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Looking good Jeff :thumbs

Did you decide about the other layer of plates along the wooden deck?


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Thanks Ed. No, the deck sides are still "under consideration". I will be trying out a couple more ideas in the near future.

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I do like the look of the half height plates as opposed to the full plates. :thumbs

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Another new addition to the parcels stock is this Hornby Magazine (Dapol) six-wheel Stove R van in BR crimson. I am aware of the well documented faults with this model but it still makes an unusual addition to the variety of stock I have available to run. On receipt, I immediately immobilised the rotating end wheelsets with a couple of lumps of Blu-tack, oiled all of the axles, then placed it in service and it runs with no problems at all. It fits into the 1950s to early 1960s era in this colour scheme.






Later on, I will weather it and the CCT from Invicta Models. I may consider modifying the wheels to 14mm and doing a few other jobs at some time in the future. Such modifications are fairly well documented in the modelling press and online.

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Next Saturday, the 15th August, I am hosting a British Railway Modellers of Australia (BRMA) meeting, so besides frantically cleaning up all the clutter around the house (or at least, that which will be in the "public" areas!), I am also trying to clear up the layout clutter and 'foolproof' the electrics.

To fix the latter, I am replacing the old double switches that allowed either inner or outer circuit to be switched between DC and DCC. this had a small risk attached in that if someone not in the know switched one circuit and used one of the crossovers, there was the potential for the two systems to meet, with possibly disastrous consequences for the DCC command station.

I needed a four pole switch, so shopped around on eBay and ended up with an eight position four pole rotary switch (actually, two of them, to allow for the upper circuits to be done the same way). Now, eight positions is way overkill, three or four positions would have been better, but these were the most suitable ones I could find, and they were very reasonably priced. I only want two 'live' positions and one isolated one.

After figuring out the wiring to allow the two track circuits to be powered separately by two DC controllers (actually an H & M Duette), but the whole layout to be powered at once by the NCE DCC system, I made a start this morning. It has involved a bit of rewiring but it is progressing. I have completed the DC wiring up, and am taking a short break, but when I go back to it, I will complete the DCC wiring to the switch.

While rewiring, I have also moved the two circuit breakers from their temporary positions to the main control panel.

This was the old temporary switch panel.




And this is the new arrangement, as yet unlabelled. I have put a mark where the DC live position is.




Doing it this way means that no one, not even I, can short it out or cause other problems. The whole LT part of the layout can only be DCC or DC at any one time.

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A wise move Jeff, especially seeing how expensive the DCC gear can get. Nice looking little panel, it clearly shows what's going on. Good luck with the wiring, I'm sure the BMRA meet will be a great success.

How many folks are you talking about?

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Thanks Marty.

When I hosted a BRMA meeting last year, we had around 34 people turn up (according to my rough count).

Generally, anywhere between a dozen and 30 people go to most meetings. It also depends upon where the meetings are held; the more far-flung locations often get fewer visitors.

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A quick update to say the DCC side is now working successfully and reliably.

I decided to hook up a second DC controller temporarily to the DCC connections so I could be sure I had the polarities correct for the two track feeds - the locomotives on the tracks each went in the same direction when the controller was connected, firstly to one track at a time, then to both tracks.

Once I was sure all was as it should be, I connected up the command station and turned on the power (with a just little trepidation, still!). I have just hada half hour running session with several DCC locomotives running on both tracks, so I am now happy, and especially, feeling secure that no one can accidentally switch anything across from DC to DCC on adjacent tracks.

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I have now labelled the rotary switch on the LT control panel, so any visiting operator can see ata glance what it is doing.




Underneath, the wiring is still messy. I need to tidy it up but it works for the moment. The black wire cutting across from the 8-way 4-pole switch to the left of centre in the photo is actually cut too short and limiting the amount I can hinge the panel upwards, so that is another job for me to do ... later.




I have also added labels for the terminal block with the track feeds out, 12V DC feeds in and DCC feeds in, making it a little easier to fault-find ... hopefully, that won't be necessary, though! Again, much tidying up is needed. The track wires leading downwards at the left-hand end of the block are inadequate for DCC. At least using screw terminals makes it a relatively easy job to fix this.

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Before the BRMA meeting on Saturday 15th August, I wanted to 'pretty' up the Church Hill. However, circumstances worked against me in the form of a gout attack in my left foot, so I had to minimise standing up for a while. As a quick fix, I used some of the Scalescenes road and pavement textures just as plain printed paper laid over some of the expanded foam.

Today, I re-did some of it, using the same printed bits attached to some card, then glued to the scenery properly. I ran a small amount of extra glue along the edge and put some grass material there.

This is by no means finished but it still improves the look considerably.

The lower road section is the access way to the cemetery. There will be more land sculpting and filling, plus stairs and pathways in the future.






Now: where did I put that Oxford Diecast hearse?

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Sorry to hear you've got the gout mate, that's nasty stuff and I wish you the best and fastest recovery possible.

The church is looking good and once you get the rest of the scenery done will fit in nicely in that corner.

How did the layout perform in front of an audience?

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Thanks Marty.

The layout performed well, with only a broken wire to the programming track (due to my careless tidying up of the wiring!), and the Heljan class 16 playing up briefly when the first person arrived. The 16 performed faultlessly all morning, and on previous days, and soon recovered its reputation (as a model ... the real ones had a poor reputation anyway!!).

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Hi Jeff how many turned up to the meet?.Piran

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I counted 21 not including my wife, who is very supportive and serves up tea and refreshments and chats to people.

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My Heljan LT (ex-Metropolitan) Bo-Bo Electric no.8 Sherlock Holmes arrived today. After a quick check on DC on the rolling road, I fitted a decoder. I started with a Lenz Silver+ 21 but, like others have reported on RMweb, it surged and stopped repeatedly in one direction, and the lights didn't respond at all either.

I then tried a TCS EU621, a six function decoder which works faultlessly with the drive in both directions. However, there is an oddity with the lights: the lower two white lights come on with the direction of travel on function 0, as do the cab lights at the relevant end. Function 1 turns on the upper white light at the leading end and function 2 turns on the upper light at the other end. Now I feel sure that the cab lights should be the switchable ones on functions 1 and 2, so next time I take the 'lid' off, I'll have a look at swapping the connections - Heljan usually use identical two pin plugs for these so it should be straightforward ... [gulp] I hope!

I'm not sure why the Lenz decoders have such a problem with this mechanism, but I think it is probably something to do with the BEMF settings. The TCS one I used boasts that it is self-adjusting for BEMF, and it seems to work, thus justifying that claim.



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I have now solved the lighting glitch. It was as simple as flipping over the small lighting boards over the cabs. The cab lights now come on individually with functions 1 and 2, while all three white end lights turn on (and off) with function 0.

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Odd looking beast IMO... Ah, (quick bit of research) underground electric... explains it.
Looks like they've done a good job on it. Glad you got the lighting sorted.

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Well! I'm back from 10 days in New Zealand (had a lovely time for Agnes' and my 30th anniversary), so only a couple of days left of the school holidays before reality sets in and I have to go back to work.

I have promised to widen the layout slightly to provide more clearance for the front viaducts, so went to Masters Hardware today and bought some 12mm square and 12mm x 30mm wood. This allowed me to add a strip 12mm wide at the front edge of the layout. To compensate for the projecting lip, though, I also had to add some timber behind the pockets for the controllers, using this as a good excuse to also lower them slightly so they don't project upwards over the layout top surface quite as far.

Of course, it also meant unscrewing the hinges for the control panel and resiting that onto one of the 12mm x 30mm bits of wood.







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Continuing on from the previous post, a quick lick of "Hurricane Grey" paint completes this stage of the project. The first pic shows an overall view, while in the second, I have moved the viaduct into what will be its final position (or very close to it).



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It's getting a little closer: an approximation of the track alignment on the upper level viaducts.

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My 6-car set arrived today in a nice big parcel from the LT Museum.

After unpacking the individual vehicles, I worked out the correct order for the particular ones I have. I ran the two motor cars in simultaneously on the rolling road on DC, then after an hour or so of perfect running in both directions, decided to fit two identical decoders. I had two TCS EU621 decoders in the box and one Lenz Silver 21+ (the preferred choice), so it was the TCS ones that got installed ... except that on interrogating them on the programming track, one of them was a Lenz decoder! So my preference was realised with two Lenz decoders fitted.

I programmed the two decoders simultaneously to address 87 and set the inertia/momentum CVs to CV3 = 25 and CV4 = 20, which give nice balanced acceleration and deceleration rates. I left the top and middle speeds (CVs 5 and 6) at the Lenz defaults for now but may adjust them later.

There was no need to reverse one decoder using CV29 as the motor coach pairs seem to be wired accordingly.

Once the set was assembled on the track, it behaved impeccably and didn't highlight any clearance problems through the platforms either, at least in the direction I am running it at the moment.






As can be seen, the 6-car set just fits the platform and loop lengths perfectly.

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After a conversation with a friend, recently, I decided to experiment with a bridging section for the curved bit along the viaduct. I had originally envisioned it as being a solid embankment or wall section, but we talked about another lattice or girder bridge to leave the view more open.

With that in mind, I have used mostly recycled bits and pieces to create a deck with plate girder supports. I have used six plastic tube sections as supporting posts here but if I did build it properly, these would not be required, or possibly just the two centre ones if I want something different. The ends would be on buttress supports from the arches on either side. The deck would be wider on the "production" version too.

As a way to visualise the effect, it works quite well. I like it, but would welcome any comments too.







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Certainly the ends of the truss bridge can be supported by brick/stone supports but the middle posts should be thicker.
It does open the viewing up nicely.

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Thanks Ron. I do have some round wooden dowel that would be a better diameter for the supports. I do like the overall effect here but it does need refinement to make it look more convincing.

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Hi Jeff

Knew I'd seen something similar many years ago with a bridge supported by large steel cylindrical pillars.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4626065,-0.1130291,3a,75y,307.38h,91.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smrV4M6yHcm0Kwxoe2rhM4w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

They weren't blue then just dirty grey and the walkway above the shops didn't exist I (if memory serves correctly), so the pillars were roughly in the middle of the span.


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Thanks for that link, Ed. That does give an inspiration and shows that my thinking is not too far off being prototypical.

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Great idea !  Not sure the pillars are needed though ? We used to live very near a bridge like that over as river, It was supported at each end on stone supports but being over a river, nothing supporting the middle and it was a fair length bank to bank


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No, I'm not too sure the pillars would be essential, but I like the idea of something breaking up the opening a little. The end pillars are purely for support of the temporary structure and almost certainly I wouldn't incorporate them into the final structure.

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I had a running session on Saturday with just London Underground trains of various eras. The main aim was to show off the new S Stock train but also included the (also new) Heljan ex-Metropolitan Railway Bo-Bo electric locomotive No 8 Sherlock Holmes, hauling a couple of ancient Graham Farish coaches painted LT brown, and an earlier Bachmann model of an ex-GWR pannier tank, No L89 on a short engineers' train.

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Some new arrivals on Newton Broadway: I have received two parcels this week just gone, one from Hattons and one from Rails.

One included two of Bachmann's new SR-style PMV vans, while the other contained a new Hornby BR (ex-SR) S15 4-6-0 locomotive.

The S15 has been run in on the rolling road on DC, then fitted with a Lenz Standard decoder. I have fitted the brake rodding, and fitted then removed the cylinder draincock pipes pending modifications to allow the bogie to swing further. The front steps will follow suit, with modifications if necessary.

It has only run a few circuits in 'revenue-earning' service, so far! Running with the BR blue vans is just possible as most of the S15s were withdrawn by 1966 while the BR blue was introduced just before that ... whether any of the parcels vans had been painted blue before the S15s had gone is a little questionable, but it doesn't look wrong to me.






Also, I have been working on getting my London Transport 1920 F Stock train up and running (see my workbench thread for more details of the build to date). While the two trailer coaches have not yet been fully finished, requiring further painting and cleaning up of rough spots, and have no glazing in their windows, the four-car set has been able to run around the layout, and is seen here in Newton Broadway station.







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The through the bridge shot of the four car unit is excellent ! Almost couldn't pick it out as a model shot , It looks like a warm sunny day on the station

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Thanks Matt. I was quite pleased with that photo myself, although it will look so much more convincing once I can get some backscenes up (the curtains are a bit of a give away at the moment!). Unfortunately, that will have to wait until I have finished tracklaying and wiring along that back wall, for reasons of accessibility.

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Encouraged by the success of that under-bridge photo of the F stock (but with anachronisms!), I have attempted to redo the shots with contemporary stock in each photo. 

First off is the F Stock again, with CO/CP Stock in the platform behind.






Now, the S Stock with a few non-Underground types in the background, including SouthWest Trains class 450 units, a First Great Western class 143, and an EWS class 66.



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Here's a pair that could never have been seen together in this form in real life!

Both are models I have been working on recently (see more in my workbench thread), with a little more work still being required on both. The Maunsell diesel-electric shunter, 15203, still needs the four lifting loops on the top engine cover, plus a little more work on the rear cab stripes and a few more spots to fill and file. I did sit the body down on the chassis more, but it shifted slightly before the photos. Once the work is finished on it, I will do something about fixing the body and chassis more securely.

The 08, D3272, was a complete repaint and had sound fitted, plus some replacement bits and now merely requires a handrail to be fixed up and a couple of very minor paint retouches, before some weathering can be applied. I know I didn't quite get the numbers straight on one side of this locomotive, and while this did happen in real life, it doesn't look quite right on my model. I was more careful with the Maunsell numbering and used some masking tape to set a level under the transfers.

The two types did work together during the 1950s and early 1960s, but as the three Maunsell shunters were all withdrawn from service in 1964, they would not have been seen with BR blue class 08s - the blue came in at the earliest in 1966.



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My Kernow Mdoel Railways O2 0-4-4T, 30182, has arrived and been run in on the rolling road on DC power, and ran perfectly on that. I fitted TCS EUN651 6-pin decoder with no problems - pin 1 is clearly marked on the socket, and the TCS diagram leaves no doubt as to which way the decoder is oriented.

Address 182 was allocated and CV3 set to 25 and CV4 to 20, which gives nice inertia and momentum effects.

I tested the loco around the layout light engine, through the crossovers and around the inner circuit in both forwards and reverse directions. No obvious binding was evident and it had no difficulties with my third and fourth rail. All good so far, apart from one minor glitch down to my own carelessness/stupidity (delete whichever is least appropriate!) - I fitted the front tension lock coupling upside down! Note to self: put reading glasses on when fitting small parts to locomotives.

Having fixed the coupling correctly, I then placed 30182 on the short parcels train the S15 had been hauling - 5 four-wheel vans and a BR mark 1 BG. It was a little hesitant setting off with smokebox leading and eventually came to a halt in the tunnel on a curve. In reverse it had no problems at all bringing the same train out of the tunnel. I tried it bunker first and it romped away with the train. I had something of the same problem with one of my Bachmann E4 0-6-2 tanks not being able to pull the proverbial skin off a rice pudding on the default settings of its CT Elektronik decoder. It looks like I'll have to do a few tweaks to CVs, particularly with reference to BEMF settings (the coreless motor may even benefit from these being turned off completely) and also the pulse width. Methinks a session on Decoder Pro may assist with this,as I'll be able to save settings that work and recall them if necessary.




More on this later, after I have had time to tinker.

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I have just tinkered a little more with my O2, concentrating on weight distribution. Incidentally, what I thought were springs on the rear bogie were, in fact, the electrical pickups.

I decided to add spacer for the bogie pivot, using a section of brass handrail wire. This gives a small amount of springiness, and if wound tightly around the chassis pivot, won't be in danger of shorting out the pickups on both sides. I experimented with a double wound spacer but that lifted too much weight off the rear driver, so a single circlet of brass is proving sufficient.

At the other end, I added a small rectangular section of lead, wrapped in insulation tape and glued lightly to the bottom of the smokebox interior.

Finally, I cleaned the wheels to ensure that any dirt built up from the imbalance was eliminated.

I reduced the test parcels train by one van (a Parkside kit) and sent it around. There was a small amount of wheel slip in both forwards and reverse orientations, so I seem to have cured the problem at the expense of slightly reduced hauling power in reverse, but stronger performance facing forwards. The parcels train is not exactly lightweight and has two Bachmann PMVs, a Hornby Van C (certainly not a free roller), a Bachmann/Invicta BR CCT, and a Bachmann Mark 1 BG.

It will certainly now cope with two or three free-rolling coaches.

Here's the O2, 30182, on a suitable Maunsell Pull-Push train Hornby coaches) with PMV (Bachmann) inserted in the set. The O2 had no problems with this light load and romped around the layout. The pics are chosen to illustrate various parts of the journey under its own power.






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And one more of the O2, this time with the front coupler and pocket removed, and all the brake pipes and dummy screw coupling fitted. There was some digging through online photos to find out what pipes to fit and where they went, and a considerable amount of swearing, retrieving dropped pipes, pulling them off the forceps when they glued to those instead of the buffer beam, etc., etc.!
I intend this locomotive to be mainly for Pull-Push working, so thought it worthwhile to detail up the front as much as possible, something I also did to a Hornby BR M7 0-4-4T 30108 a while back, for the same reasons.

It is not practical to add all the buffer beam pipework to the rear of the loco as they would interfere with the bogie swing.




Next up will be to weather the pipework on the whole locomotive, and later on, weather more of the loco itself. Beautiful as those brass/copper pipes are, they are too clean and obvious for what I want on what is to represent a hard-worked example of the class.

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I thought I had posted a few photos of the O2 tank locomotive with more weathering, but apparently not here. I haven't finished the job yet but it looks quite presentable and well-used so far.




And a sepia toned version that gives a more 'period' look to the photo:




The S15 has also progressed, and I put some finishing touches to it and the Sturgeon A Engineers' Department wagon, so both are in serviceable conditions fit for photographic purposes on the layout. I made a rail load for the Sturgeon A as well. 








Details and blow by blow accounts of all of these projects as they progressed are in my workbench thread.

Look what has also appeared at Newton Broadway: the new Rail Exclusive/Suttons Locomotive Works Derby type 2 (later class 24), D5000, with sound was delivered yesterday. I ordered jointly with through a friend, and both turned up on his doorstep just before Christmas. He delivered it to me personally as he also wanted to pick my brains regarding converting part of his layout initially to DCC, while keeping it safe from his split potential analogue system on his main lines.



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Back to the bridge: I have now added an I-beam from Plastruct to one side, under the plate girder. In fact, I filed off the back of the I-beam, making it more of a shallow U-beam, or even a low-relief I-beam ! I like the effect overall, but I will have to do something about the exposed end of the beam nearest the camera.




An unaltered I-beam sits in the foreground.




As I said, I like the effect, perhaps with some vertical ribs added  out of plasticard strip. What do others think?

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SRman wrote: .....As I said, I like the effect, perhaps with some vertical ribs added  out of plasticard strip. What do others think?

Looks good, I always find that theses plate girders need something more.
Defiantly some stiffeners/ribs would look right, especially at the ends and at the 'bend' points, they could also be added along the beams where secondary beams going across the under side of the bridge would meet this beam.

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I was just about to post 'not really sure' Jeff, and the Aaron posted the above which seems to make perfect sense :thumbs


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Hi Jeff,

The new beam looks good under the iron bridge, but that end nearest the camera needs to bear on a structural support. Perhaps extend it so it rests on a pad stone built into the brick abutment? You can add stiffeners and cleats along the length with plasti-card as required and a coat of weathered grey will finish it off a treat.

Good stuff,

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Thanks for the feedback, Aaron and Ed. Your ideas are very much in line with what I was thinking too. I may have to add a support girder across this end against the brick buttress. I can't add a brick extension there as it would then cause signal sighting problems! Doing that would also provide support on the other side of the bridge, which is cut away a little to allow clearance for the trains, so currently has no visible means of support.

Another idea is to add a little extra layer (or two) of brickwork at that level - a sort of thickening/widening of the wall at the track bed level. I'm not sure of the architectural terms of that.

 
Edit: Sorry Bill. I must have posted this just after you posted - I hadn't read yours when I composed it.

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SRman wrote:
Another idea is to add a little extra layer (or two) of brickwork at that level - a sort of thickening/widening of the wall at the track bed level. I'm not sure of the architectural terms of that.


Corbelling, although probably not sufficient to transfer the heavy loads of the bridge, but hey, rule 1 can apply.

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Thanks Bill.

In actual fact, none of my home-made bridge structures would stand up to a sound engineering study - I try to make them look reasonable representations based on observations of real bridges, although probably none of the real ones are spanning the same gaps and clearances as mine. There have to be a few compromises to suit the tight limits on my space and also my modelling abilities.

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There's nothing lacking in your modelling abilities Jeff, which are well up to any and all challenges and your structures do you credit, so well done and don't stop!

All the best,

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Perhaps this is better, with the beam resting "within" the brickwork. I need to blend it better but I think this is an improvement.




I can add a brick support column under the I-beam end and going up to the end of the plate girder too. That would relieve the plainness of the wall as an added bonus.

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This looks ok Jeff.

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Perfect Jeff and completely prototypical.

Cheating again Phil, but I like it.

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Cheating again Bill but PS is a great tool for seeing what works and what doesn't.....before you build it ;-)

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I assume a retaining column on the end as above, apologies for the terrible '3d' paint drawing

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I assume a retaining column on the end as above, apologies for the terrible '3d' paint drawing
that is what Ihad in mind,
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That's exactly what I was thinking too. Can you print that out in 3D for me please?  :twisted:  :twisted:

The other side was easier as I didn't have to reduce the I-section to a U-section.






Once again I have 'fudged' it a little with that silly little bit of girder projecting under the end at left. I thought it had to have some sort of support showing.

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And here it is again from both sides, after a quick, and very rough, coat of grey paint to tone the work down until I am ready for the next stage of detailing. The whole bridge structure lifts off the layout for ease of access when doing such work.



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Looking at your last picture and the bridge in Atlantic Road in the link in post #424, there isn't much difference :thumbs


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A quick link to post #424 http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=7883&forum_id=21&page=22#p250232

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Yep, I just had them up side by side and they're mirror images. Top modelling, great research, effective teamwork :thumbs  

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OK, progress is being made: I have added the support pillar, although it's not quite as square as I would like. I'll leave it in place and see what I think after a while. If I decide I don't like it, I'll work on the mark 2 version. At least this one will be useful as a template.

If I do keep it, I'll add a little corbelling and fill the gaps where it joins the main structure. Don't worry about the white glue - it was still drying wen I took the photos.



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makes all the difference, neat
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Moving along the line a little (literally), I have done a little reseating and filling on the Wills stone viaduct section. The last arch in particular wasn't sitting properly, but is now much better. The filler is still in its raw, unfinished state - it has to harden properly before I attempt to sculpt it to match the stone courses.

After this, I'll be able to paint it properly (the existing paint was really just a rough wash to reduce the visual impact of the light grey plastic. I can't glue it into place yet as I still need easy access to the tracks behind to lay the third and fourth rails.



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The arched bridge looks very good, but will only look better when finished ! :thumbs

With the steel girder bridge in post 453, you could possibly add extra cantiilever supports that dissapear into the brick retaining wall, like this...



Cheers, Gary.

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I don't think a girder spanning two tracks with no end support would work.

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Gary wrote: The arched bridge looks very good, but will only look better when finished ! :thumbs

With the steel girder bridge in post 453, you could possibly add extra cantiilever supports that dissapear into the brick retaining wall, like this...



Cheers, Gary.

Hi Gary. Once again, I'm thinking along the same lines, although I also have an alternative in mind. That would be to add the extra girders as you have indicated, but extended over to the platform with vertical supports going down to the platform (or realistically, extending up from the platform!). That might also involve the first girder. There are plenty of examples of that sort of structure in the real world of railways and would get over the feeling that the girders are just suspended in mid-air.

p.s. Nice art work on my photo! :)

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If anyone is interested, I have been experimenting with a video camera mounted on a wagon to produce a few "cab rides" on my layout. They are posted on YouTube and Facebook (for friends only in the latter). If interested, the links are as follows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfbZmNL0UPk&ab_channel=JeffreyLynn with a Heljan class 33 and legomanbiffo sound;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkyQVXfwFe8&ab_channel=JeffreyLynn with a Bachmann class 37 and Howes sound;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoBWJiy4XKc&ab_channel=JeffreyLynn with a Heljan class 52 and Howes sound.




I am learning as I go and trying to put more features to make them more watchable and interesting, as well as using different locos to give a variety of sounds. I hope to improve as I try a few more of these videos.

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sat here with a cuppa and thoroughly enjoyed those clips,thanks for showing them
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One more "cab ride" video, this time at a slower pace than the previous one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7-dNnBmsL4&ab_channel=JeffreyLynn

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Latest arrivals at Newton Broadway (curse those bargain sales!):

A Motor Luggage Van (MLV) of class 419 in plain BR blue with full yellow ends (fye) from Invicta Models (by Bachmann). 68004 is seen here leading 68006 in green, with  green 4 CEP (class 411) unit 7126 just off-stage. This has been fitted with a Lenz decoder to match all my other 4 CEP, 2 EPB and MLV units. Standardising on these makes for easier matching up of settings for multiple operation (consists in DCC parlance). Kadee #19 couplings were fitted to each end.




Not a good photo, but this is a three car BR Mark 1 "suburban" non-gangwayed set from Replica Railways parts. The body shells come pre-painted but without numbering. This set is still awaiting numbering, window 'stickers', set numbers and underframe detail components to be fitted. I ordered one more complete kit so I could adapt the body to fit a spare Bachmann 4 CEP TS underframe to convert a Kernow green 2H DEMU to a 3H unit. This conversion is still in progress and also requires the green to be darkened a little and the roof ridges to be removed. The 4 CEP chassis allows for the interior lighting and head and tail light connections to be continued through the unit. In the meantime, I have other plans for the remainder of the 4 CEP (3 CEP now!) and the remaining Replica chassis. I'll try to post some detail shots of these in my workbench thread later.




I have ordered two of the bargain Hornby 2 HAL (class 402) units from Hattons. One, 2603 in green with fye has already arrived and been fitted with a Lenz decoder and Kadee #19 end couplings to match with all my other 2 HAL and 2 BIL units. A blue unit also with fye is still to arrive.




I also succumbed to temptation and bought a Network South East 2H (class 205) unit from Rails of Sheffield. These were commissioned from Bachmann by Kernow Model Rail Centre. Unit 205 001 is seen on its own and running in multiple (consist) with a previous purchase from Kernow, unit 205 012 in Connex livery. Again, Lenz decoders and Kadee #19 couplings are fitted, although I may have to go to the longer #20 couplings for tighter curves (only tested on the outer run for now).








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I have been contemplating fitting lights into my London Underground S Stock train, and possible some of the BIL and HAL units as well, later. I've just fitted lights into the first two of the S Stock cars.

I'm using the strips of surface-mount LEDs that can be purchased quite cheaply from eBay sellers, which are arranged in sets of three LEDs with a resistor included in each set to allow for direct wiring up to 12 Volts DC. I tested one group of three sets of three on DCC wired straight to the track and that worked fine, so proceeded to wire up the first two cars of my six-car S Stock. The Driving Motor cars are easier as they already have a PCB feeding from the bogie pickups, but Bachmann have been very kind to us in fitting pickups to all of the trailer coach bogies as well - wiring the lights involves more wire and soldering than the DM but is still relatively easy.
The lights are very bright, so I may look at ways to dim them a little (especially if I want to light the BILs and HALs!), but I'd say the experiment has been a success, so I have four more cars to wire up in the near future. I have posed an unlit car beside the two with lights for comparison.






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Blue Hornby 2 HAL unit 2677 arrived on Tuesday and has been run-in, fitted with a Lenz decoder and Kadee #19 couplings fitted at each end. Because Hornby made a mistake with the length of the coupling pocket mounting at the driving trailer cab end, these units really need Kadee #20 couplings, but I don't have any of those left so the #19s will have to do until I can order some. The unit is seen here running in multiple (DCC consist) with the green HAL 2603.

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A small but significant step was taken yesterday: I finally got around to fixing the gap in the woodwork on the upper level at the current (temporary) end of the fiddle yard loops. I have been toying with the idea of using the existing board as a template to cut an entirely new one, but after assessing the degree of support under it, I decided to just cut the small, oddly shaped bit of MDF from an off-cut, trimming it with the jigsaw in small increments for the final fit.




This now allows me to screw down the adjacent board, which is already cut to the correct shape and fit, which, in turn, allows me to start more track laying.

As a preliminary to the laying of further track, I have placed a few lengths of rail and posed a 9-car unit as being the maximum allowed length: 2 x 4 CEP units and an MLV were loose coupled to gauge where the end of the loop is needed (with a little leeway built in) and where the next lot of points will go.

There is, as always, still much to do (that's almost become my mantra!), but it feels like a new start on progress after a period of stagnation.

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I have been laid up a bit over the last few days with sciatica on the left-hand side. The doctor gave me two days off work and said "Rest, but don't spend too long lying down or sitting in one position". I decided to do a little track positioning (not laying, as such!) which I could do standing up without much bending involved (even so, I fear I have overdone it a little). Using my new Xuron track cutters made this a relatively quick and easy job, too.

What I have done is cut and fit the track along the front of the layout, on the bridges and viaducts. It is not fully laid as it is not fixed down in any way, yet, a job that has to await my finishing the bridges and viaducts and also completing the third and fourth rail laying on the lower level (the viaducts get in the way of this).

Anyway, here are a couple of photos to show how the alignment will look when finished. The curve under the 2 HAP unit (the unpainted resin kit at top left) is a set track 3rd radius item. If I can ease this out a little I will do so.




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One more from me, with a nine-car set of units (MLV + 4 CEP + 4 CEP) posed on the viaducts to show how the longest proposed trains will look snaking along the top.


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Jeff,
Sorry to hear about the Siatica, hope it clears up quickly. Laying the track on the viaduct really shows where you are going with this layout and I'm particularly taken by the view along the lower level in between the high level showing the cross overs and the third rail work that you have done there. Your steady progress is paying off.

Keep it up.

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Thanks Marty.

I subscribe to what I teach about project management: break the big job down into smaller, "digestible" chunks. In the case of our hobby, doing a little at a time still eventually gets the job done, and one can pick and choose which bits one feels like doing at any given time, unlike commercial jobs where it absolutely must be done to a timetable.

I can't pin or glue the track down n the viaducts yet, because I need access to the bridges and viaducts themselves to finish off some of the detailing and painting, and also to the LT tracks behind to finish off the third and fourth rail laying.

I am also giving thought to the wiring of the tracks on the viaducts: I may leave the main bridge across the LT tracks plus the lattice bridge as a separate piece of lift-off scenery, which means wiring down through the hollow bridge abutment and having the ability to unplug or unscrew the wiring connections (possibly using a 4-pin plug and socket. The rest of the viaducts can eventually be glued down, so wiring the tracks on those will only mean threading the wires down a few piers.

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SWMBO decided that we needed to pull curtains down for washing in various rooms of our house. This also involved swapping to different curtains in our bedroom. That meant that the dark blue crushed velvet curtains from there were now spare.The orange curtains in the train room, while very heavy duty, didn't really make a good backdrop for my models, so I suggested that the blue ones would be rather better (ideally I wanted some sky blue ones but none were available in the local Spotlight store when we looked). The result is this:



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Maybe a weak bleach solution would lighten them, although SWMBO might not be amused!

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