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 Posted: Thu Nov 25th, 2010 03:58 pm
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I am preparing four Peco Inspection Pit kits for installation on the layout. Working on the premise that it will be easier to paint and at least partially weather the pits before installing them towards the rear of a 3-foot wide baseboard, I set about painting them on the bench.

All four kits were assembled as per the instruction sheet.

All paints used were from the Vallejo Model Color range, unless otherwise stated.

The first thing I did was to give them all a coat of acrylic primer which was allowed to dry overnight. I brushed this on, rather than spraying it to keep it off the rails.

The 'floors' of the pits were given a very rough coat of 'Black Grey' acrylic, as were the moveable cover plates. Pieces of brick paper, left over from the Scalescenes engine shed project, were cut to shape using a card template and used to line the side walls. They were stuck in place with a stick adhesive.

The ground surfaces and steps were painted with 'Neutral Grey'.

The side of the rails and the chairs were painted using a 'Rusty Rails Painter' with 'Joe's Model Trains' 'Weathered Black' paint. This colour was extended using a brush to colour the exposed edges of the brick paper, and to add a little more variation to the steps.

Some 'Mahogany' was dry-brushed over the chairs and also dabbed around the drains. Some gloss varnish was dabbed into the bottom of the pits to simulate areas of dampness.

The areas outside the rails have been left neutral grey and will not be painted further until the pits are installed. This will enable me to integrate them into their surroundings more easily.

Here is the result so far:



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Looking good so far Perry.

are you going to fit these outside the shed roads to represent ash pits? or will they be "under the roof"?

I am thinking about this kit for the ash pit in front of the Cambrian engine shed I am building for Pen Y Bont.

any chance of some idea of the sizes of the pits? the length and depth if possible.

Thanks in advance for any info.

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These will go outside the shed on the 'apron'. I can't see any point in putting pits inside the shed as they would be virtually invisible from any 'normal' viewpoint on the layout.

The Peco pits are supplied in sections about 50mm long, so I used three sections to make a pit about 150mm long. One kit provides enough parts for two of these, or one 297mm long. Rails are provided. The overall width is about 28mm and the depth from the top of the rails to the lowest extremity is about 13mm. Peco advise cutting a slot in the baseboard 15mm wide to accomodate the pit. The depth of the slot needs to be at least 9mm.

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Dukedog wrote: Looking good so far Perry.

are you going to fit these outside the shed roads to represent ash pits? or will they be "under the roof"?

I am thinking about this kit for the ash pit in front of the Cambrian engine shed I am building for Pen Y Bont.

any chance of some idea of the sizes of the pits? the length and depth if possible.

Thanks in advance for any info.


Thats a great job you have done Perry........the varnish is excellent to reproduce oil......thanks for the tip and what a good idea to line with paper......much better than my pretend concrete.

I am not sure about Pen Y Bont....I guess that would be a sub shed.....but larger sheds like Perry's would have inspection pits both inside and on the apron and ash pits.....typically (GWR) before the coaling point........the Peco pits work well for both uses.



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What is thought of having one pit in the diesel shed and another on the other track outside?




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Not sure about Diesel practice Ron.

As I said in another thread they are likely to be obscured by locos anyway.

If you only have two pits (or only want to install two) then I would install both outside the shed and leave the onlooker to conclude there would be two within:lol:



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I do have 3 sets of the Peco pits so I cab make two pits 8" long and as entrance will be seen, I maybe able to have an 6" unit on the far track fully in the shed and a long 12" unit part inside & part outside on the closest track
http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=7614&forum_id=101&jump_to=212277#p212277



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Using the Scalescenes floor as an example - one pit completely inside & the other both in & outside



may not be prototypical but heck , the D&S is a private rail line anyway :mutley


The worst part of the job will be cutting the pit slot etc.



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Hi Perry,

I'm looking at inspection / ash pits on the Rosebuddy TMD at the moment. I like the idea of the brick paper work inside the pit just stopping short of the top to suggest a concrete capping.

I've two, three Lane steam sheds and ash pits to cater for as well as a three lane and a four lane Diesel shed. The varnish idea is a great ideas well.

Would these pits have been fitted with drains or sumps which would be emptied periodically due to the oil and fuel that would have went into them? Possibly some kind of sump or were we not too environmentally savvy back in these days.:mutley

Looking good anyway

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Toto, the Peco pits do have drains in the bottom. I will attempt to get a close up photo later.



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A photo of the bottom of the Peco unit




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This photo shows where they are planned to go - approx 3 ft / 950mm  from the edge of the layout


will have to use a  jigsaw to cut the slots & have to cut approx 50mm twice  by hand as there are beams under that part of the baseboard.

Having a lot of thinks about this and as they will not be that visible, the basic floor of the Scalescenes unit will suffice.




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Sol wrote: This photo shows where they are planned to go - approx 3 ft / 950mm  from the edge of the layout
Having a lot of thinks about this and as they will not be that visible, the basic floor of the Scalescenes unit will suffice.

Good call Ron..............when I was planning Granby MPD I shuddered at the thought of cutting 7 or 8 slots in the forecourt........I put a few locos out and realised that under normal operating conditions they would rarely be seen

I decided my pits would be inside the shed.......and I defy anyone to tell whether or not they are there:lol:



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Hi Sol,

Thanks for the pictures. I gathered there would have been a drain of some sort. I was more thinking about whether this would have " drained " into the public drainage system or into some kind of catchment sump where it would be emptied periodically. There would have been the potential for a lot of fuel / oil to be let out into these pits during maintenance. I wouldn't think they would be allowed to let this filter into the public drainage system. Maybe back in the fifties Etc, but not now.
I would think that any foul liquids would be collected from a sump with a suction tanker for disposal.

I know that the transformer bunds in substations, when washed out are disposed of in this way as the transformers contain and usually leak oil. Hence the bunds around them.
They would not be visible as they would be underground but perhaps modelling an access hatch may be an idea.

Maybe not

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Having read this inspired me to go out and purchase two Peco pits. I just hope that mine come up like your pits Perry !

Excellent job. :thumbs

Cheers, Gary.



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Hi Toto,
I think the old fuel/oil would be collected and probably stored in tanks or metal drums.
The steam chaps liked to use old rags dipped in waste oil to get the loco fires going. Old fashioned fire lighter,s.
The first recollection I have of enviroment issue,s making any news was in around the mid fifties when a 2 day London smog knocked off around 7000 Londoner,s, Mostly elderly people with chronic chest problems.
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shunter1 wrote: Hi Toto,
I think the old fuel/oil would be collected and probably stored in tanks or metal drums.
The steam chaps liked to use old rags dipped in waste oil to get the loco fires going. Old fashioned fire lighter,s.
The first recollection I have of enviroment issue,s making any news was in around the mid fifties when a 2 day London smog knocked off around 7000 Londoner,s, Mostly elderly people with chronic chest problems.
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Some depots (including Granby :lol:) had a dismounted oil tanker where the waste was stored.......and I assume eventually pumped out and transported elsewhere



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Hi John,

I know that nowadays it is collected by tanker. One of my friends is a tanker driver and they actually buy the old oil from garages, dock yards ( from the ships etc ) and anywhere where used oil is going. It's then recycled in biomass plants.
Again a different time frame all together but I think that even in the sixties there would have been crude ( excuse the pun ) regulations as to disposal.

It is something that with a little thought could be modelled and I bet it would be a first.

Cheers for now.

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