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 Posted: Fri Nov 19th, 2010 09:22 am
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After spending most of my time for the last 6 months faffing around with N gauge I thought it was time for a bit of a change.  I've acquired a couple of O gauge MK 1 coach kits of varying ilks and so I think it's time these were actually put together.

There's nothing like a bit of soldering for relaxation(!) so first up is a set of brass etches that were aquired from my primary supplier, Messrs E Bay.  I aquired a set of 3 etch packs that should(!) make up into a half decent coach.  There is a body kit, an underframe and an interior.  All looked pretty good while packaged up.

I proceeded to review the instructions before starting, not something I do often I'll admit.  A couple of sentences in I realised I was in for some fun.  They state,  "Thank you for buying this pre-production etch kit...   ...at some time in the future we will revise the instructions to relate to these new etches."  OK so we are flying blind then!

I think the etches date from about 1997 and are labelled "First Class Coaches".  They are attributed to Jim Harris and Gordon Eckersley.  I know nothing more about them.  Actually the thing is going together reasonably well though there are few bits that are supposed to slot together but don't so some bodging is required.

Here's where I've got to after a few hours.  It's a bit bigger than the N gauge stuff!




One of the nice things about O gauge is that you can use nuts and bolts and assemble the thing in sections.  This beastie is being built in four parts, underframe, body, interior and roof.  Not sure how the roof will be held on but all the other bits are bolted together.  This way I can split it apart for painting.




It's gonna be some chunk of metal when it's complete.  Hopefully I can pick up some wheels and bearings at Warley this weekend though the bogey kits look rather basic.  No compensation or the like.  More bodging will be required.

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Dave

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 Posted: Fri Nov 19th, 2010 10:21 am
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Nice, Dave.  It's good to get up into the bigger scales, isn't it?  Watching with interest.



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 Posted: Fri Nov 19th, 2010 07:02 pm
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That's going to be a nice job Dave.

How long have you been allowed to play in the kitchen?

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 Posted: Fri Nov 19th, 2010 08:50 pm
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Nice kits Dave

as you say they will be some weight when they are done

O gauge loco building next?

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 Posted: Fri Nov 19th, 2010 09:21 pm
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Ooooh! That's nice, Dave.



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It does look nice and with tidy workmanship shown as well.

One point as you mention "First Class Coaches" is that the kit appears (without the benefit of a ruler) to be of a BSK (Brake Second / Standard Corridor) and not an FK (First Corridor).

First class compartments offered slightly better legroom than their steerage equivalents and while an FK and BSK both had four compartments those in the FK were, I believe, slightly larger meaning the brake area was correspondingly smaller and the passenger vestibule and doors amidships were not quite at the half-way mark as on the BSK.

For a side corridor or open vehicle without the guard's brake an FK or FO would have seven bays / compartments and an SK / SO (or TSO as many were designated) eight.

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 Posted: Mon Nov 22nd, 2010 09:24 am
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Your eyes don't deceive you Rick, it is a BSK.  The brand name of the kit is "First Class Coaches" rather than the type.  Not sure they ever made it into full production.  I'll have to check it out through the O Gauge Guild website.

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Looks like you are having fun, Dave. Something we are going to be able to see with the naked eye and not just through a magnifying camera lens:lol:

You have let the cat out of the bag though concerning the new shed. We all thought that you were going to be working in it, but we now see that the missus liked it so much she's taken it over and you are left with the kitchen;-)

 

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Now that's something I could use both hands on !!!  Pity I can't afford that scale - I'd really love to try it out. :cry::cry::cry:



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Petermac wrote: Now that's something I could use both hands on !!!  Pity I can't afford that scale - I'd really love to try it out. :cry::cry::cry:

and screws!    :mutley

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Done 4mm, done 2mm, now 7mm

No wonder you needed a new shed :lol:



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When not faffing around sorting out electrical fittings in the shed I've been doing a bit more work on the BSK.  The interior etches were missing a few partitions so these have been cobbled up from plasticard and the seating strips have been added.  This has also had a blast of primer since this photo was taken.





The bag of bits that came purporting to be a complete kit also included some bogey castings.  They are all whitemetal, which as we know is the spawn of the devil at the best of times, but these were truly awful.  There's some nice detail but it was really a case of lumps of flash with parts attached.  Just to add to the amusement there is not one single line of instructions that refer to the bogey, how to build it and how to fit it. Not even a diagram.  To make matters worse when you have finally finished cleaning up the castings you find that they don't actually fit together!

Referencing some prototype pictures and drawings I've managed to cobble them together using some creative soldering and a few additional bits of brass wire.  They don't look too bad in the photo but one of them has ended up out of square so I may well end up binning them and sourcing replacements.  I'll have to see how they look under the coach and whether they actually stay on the track.

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They look OK in the photo, Dave.



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The MK 1 project is still progressing.  The BSK is now largely complete.  There is a bunch of detailing to do (of course the bits aren't in the kit) and it needs some decent buffers.  The underframe has been bodged together from the supplied bits but doesn't really look much like the real thing.  Why would anyone build a bit where even the basic dimensions are wrong?

Here is it balanced on it's bogeys with the roof plonked on.  Still needs glazing but that will be done after the exterior has been painted.  The paint is on its way via the postie.





As per normal although this project is far from complete I've started another one.  This is another one that will need a sense of humour.  At some point in the past I acquired (from ebay of course) a MK 1 SO kit.  This one is a truly ancient thing made by Eames and is just the body, no bogeys or underframe.  It's a real change of technology as the parts are all wood or card!

Good for a laugh though I think.  Here it is with the sides, ends and floor glued up and all the interior detail bits glueing.




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Dave

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More progress on the cardboard box SO.  The interior bits and pieces have been installed, the roof trimmed to size and things have been given a couple of blasts of Halfords grey primer.  With a bit of rubbing down between primer coats things have smoothed out quite well and I think the body sides may well come up quite nicely.

The roof arrived pre-curved and made up of 3 or 4 layers of card bonded together.  It was a bit tatty in places but has scrubbed up quite well.  The roof vents are not the ones that would have been used when the coach was first built but are of a pattern commonly used when they were refurbed.  They are though a bit over size and rather too prominent so may need changing.

The prototype MK 1 coach roof is finished with welded zinc-coated steel panels so there are a series of ridges along the length. The kit had nothing so I have tried to represent these weld seams using cotton glued on.  They are a bit too prominent and rather like Mr Bachmann's OO gauge efforts.  I'll have to whack on a thickish coat of paint or a smear of PVA and see if they become less obvious.




I'll have to get on and order some bogeys and dig out some bits of brass to build up an underframe next.

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Dave


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Not looking too shabby at all Dave.

And if BR can manage to run a plastic-bodied coach in service I see no reason why you can't run a cardboard one!

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"I think the body sides may well come up quite nicely"

They already have, Dave.



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The shoe box has had some more attention to the paintwork.  The roof welds were first sanded down a bit then the whole roof was given a further generous blast of Halfords primer.  As postie delivered the necessary yesterday I also broke out the airbrush and gave the sides a couple of wafts.  It's now green...






The paint is Phoenix precision BR(S) coaching stock green which has a rather dull finish.  Since this photo it has had a spray of gloss varnish to protect it and make it ready for the application of transfers.  It will have a further spraying of satin or gloss varnish to finish off.

Next up I have to paint the interior so that I can then fit the glazing on to which the ventilator glazing bars will be added.  Lots to do.  The bogeys have been ordered from Easy-Build so all systems are (mostly) go.

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The bogeys for the shoebox SO have arrived.  Very efficient company I must say.  Order sorted over the phone in about 5 minutes flat and arrived in 2 days.  The beasties live up to their name too, they really are Easy Build.  This is technology I can cope with as a member of the Airfix kit generation.  No problems sticking a few bits of plastic together.  Not the most detailed of models but I think they'll do the job nicely.





I've also added the glazing today since this photo was taken so that means I have the tedious job of making the ventilator framing for each window next.  I've never been good with window bars so this could end in tears.


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All that great work and you go and spoil it by painting it green. 

 

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