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 Posted: Sun Feb 6th, 2011 08:04 am
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I took a long, hard look at the shed floor last evening and have decided it's destined for the rubbish bin. :???:

It not up to standard and I'm not happy with it.

There's nothing for it but to start again. The Mk.I floor was made from foamboard covered with printed paper. I undercut the edges of the foamboard to enable me to cover the edges of the sleepers but this proved too unstable. When the paper was glued on, it failed to stay stuck down in places (my fault entirely :oops: ) and where it did stick properly, it caused some of the thin edges to distort. :thud

The Mk.II version is currently in the planning stage, but I think it's going to be of a more substantial laminated card construction.

The wooden interior support beams can be re-used, so that will save some work. :thumbs

It's strange, but I have now attempted two projects using foamboard and failed at both. I have seen excellent examples of the use of this material on this forum, so I know it can be very useful,  but it seems it's just not for me.

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That's a great shame Perry but you're right - if it's not good enough at the start, it certainly won't get any better with age !!!

Hard but better to get it right now - I've got far too many models that "could have been better if I'd corrected the faults in the beginning " :oops::oops:

Looking forward to the Mk 2 version.

I used to prefer plastic but I'm fast coming round to making card my favourite medium for many things and I've got years to go before I dare put my efforts even in the same county as yours !!!!.



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I still much prefer plastikard. :???:

This shed was a bit of an experiment in using card for me, but I'm afraid it hasn't really converted me. It was possibly cheaper to build in card than it would have been in plastic, but I feel the result lacks a little 'finesse' to my eyes - more likely down to my lack of skill than the material. I like the 'feel' of the plastikard more too.

Each unto his own, I guess. I've seen fabulous examples of modelling in card and foamboard on this forum that have knocked my socks off! Card is just not my material of choice.

The shed floor is still going to be made from card, though! In fact, work is already underway. :brickwall

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Some days things just go right!

I have just cut 6 pieces of 2mm card to form the base layer of the shed floor. Three of these have to have many cut-outs in them to fit around the internal wall buttresses. They all fitted first time! :thumbs

Then I marked out the 1mm card that will form the top surface all in one piece with slots to accomodate the four roads.

Working from each side of the card inwards, I drew lines parallel to the edge at 30mm - 20mm - 51mm -20mm - ? - 20mm - 51mm - 20mm - 30mm. Where the '?' is in the previous list of measurements, I need it to come out to 51mm. It was EXACT! :doublethumb

Now to cut it out and see if it all fits. :shock:

Onwards and upwards!

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All the marking out and cutting of the slots for the track has been completed.

The six base layer sections of 2mm card have been fixed to the underside of the one-piece 1mm card top using strategically-placed pieces of double-sided adhesive tape. I chose tape instead of glue as it is quicker, cleaner and will not cause any distortion.

This is the view from what will be the open end of the shed:



The base layer can just be seen beneath the top. Ignore the immediate foreground; that's just a piece of card I laid it on to photograph it. The tops of the rails are marginally above floor surface height. Spot on!




This is the floor ready for the cut-outs that fit around the buttresses. I can do these quickly and easily by turning the assembly over. The slots are already cut in the 2mm base layer so I can use them as guides for cutting the top.

After that, I will cut strips of card to fit between the rails, not forgetting to leave clearance for the wheel flanges. These too will be held in place with double-sided tape.

I plan to remove the track and airbrush the floor to get a suitable finish. I have tested acrylic paint on a sample of this card and it takes it beautifully. Using an airbrush will not only be quicker, but will be much 'dryer'; the card will get very little dampness on it from the paint and therefore shouldn't warp.

I'm really happy with the Mk.II floor. It's many times better than my first effort. :thumbs

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The buttress slots have been cut and the shed fits over the floor very nicely. There is evidence that one of the main walls has warped a couple of millimetres out of true, but that can be rectified easily enough later. It's good that the floor shows exactly where the walls shoud fit.



I'm going to measure up and cut the between-the-rails pieces next, but probably not until tomorrow.

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It's looking extremely smart Perry . :thumbs

How's the cutting hand coping ?



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Perry they look really good,a beautiful fit, who`s a jammy dodger then ??

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Thanks, Petermac,

It won't look quite so smart when I've painted it - I hope!

The cutting hand has taken a bit of a beating today. That 2mm card is hard going even with a new blade in the knife. Still, I have finished all the cutting for now. I even got the between-the-rails pieces cut before I packed up for the day. :thumbs

SWMBO is out for a while tomorrow, so I'll be working the conservatory with my airbrush for an hour or two, all being well. The light in there is the best anywhere in the house for painting.

Once the loco shed floor is painted I can stick the centre strips in place over the sleepers, re-fit the supporting columns, which I will need to 'tweak' now that the floor has been changed, and the shed should be ready to go on the layout.

It's just a pity I'm nowhere near the tracklaying stage yet. :???:

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Way to go Perry, Lovely job!
Goodluck with the airbrush!
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owen69 wrote: Perry they look really good,a beautiful fit, who`s a jammy dodger then ??

:mutley:lol::cool:

I was amazed how well it came out, Owen.

I worked to 0.5 millimetre accuracy when I was measuring up. I first roughed the shapes out with a pencil and ruler, then did most of the critical marking out with the point of a knife. I couldn't believe it that when I needed that 51mm gap left in the middle, it would turn out to be exactly that, 51mm!

The reason I worked to 0.5mm accuracy wasn't to be flash or clever. :oops: It was forced upon me by the internal dimensions of the shed and the dimensions of the Peco track. I tried to simplify it as far as possible, but still came up with the three 51mm width pieces between the roads. I marked them out by taking a centre line, then measuring 25.5mm either side of it to give me the 51mm I needed. All the other lateral dimensions were 20mm or 30mm, so they weren't a problem.

The fit should be even better when it's all properly secured to the baseboard surface. It's 'waving about in the breeze' at the moment and the slight warp on one of the side walls needs to be addressed.

To be honest, I quite enjoy getting the calculator out and working out stuff like this. Masochistic? Perhaps - just a little! :lol:

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The floor got three shades of grey applied with the airbrush this morning; two overall coats of pale grey, followed by an intentionally uneven coat of neutral grey and rounded off with some black grey to emphasise the edges and between the rails.



Obviously I didn't paint the floor with the track in situ! :oops: The actual effect has more contrast than shows up in the photos taken with flash due to poor light. This has rather burned the images out. :sad:



It looks a bit out of alignment in places in this photo because I have just laid it in place for a few pictures. It's not fixed in place yet. The shed locates over the cut-outs shown in the previous photo.



Just for good measure, I've posed Britannia in the shed along with the water cranes and the Shed Supervisor's desk.



Everything will be straight and level when it's finally fixed - I promise! :thumbs

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Hello Perry,
 :hmmWhat a difference "a bit of paint makes".  :roll::lol: It really sets-off the shed and high-lights the water-cranes and desk. Really excellent modelling, mate, :doublethumb
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:hiPerry, That shed is really coming together. The roof support pillars look just right combined with the new floor and adding in water cranes with the shed foremans desk.

I like it all.

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Thanks for the kind comments. :thumbs

It's a shame that the painting on the new floor hasn't shown up better in the photo. The colouration is actually much stronger than it looks in the picture. Perhaps I'll try another one on a brighter day - without flash. It'll also give me a chance to align the floor properly too! :oops:

Where the tracks protrude beyond the apron, there will eventually be four inspection pits. They are already built and painted but I won't cut the holes in the baseboard for them until I'm ready to lay the track.

I need to make a clock to go on the wall above the Shed Supervisor's desk. I've got some suitable clock faces somewhere. I just wish I could find them. :???: No doubt they'll turn up  when I'm looking for something else. :roll:

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Can't you give the camera a longer exposure Perry, using a tripod instead of flash?



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Robert wrote: Can't you give the camera a longer exposure Perry, using a tripod instead of flash?
Now don't go getting all technical on me, Bob! :mutley:mutley:mutley

I know I've taken a few wildlife photos of questionable quality in my time, but the model railway ones are just banged off in a hurry with an old digital camera, not the Digital SLR.

In truth, it didn't really cross my mind, as once I'd taken them I moved the models out of the conservatory back into the 'railway room'. ;-) I was too lazy to set it all up again after I saw the results on the computer. That's why the flooring is out of alignment too - I didn't check before I moved everything. :oops:

I'll try to do better next time, Bob. I promise! :doublethumb

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:Red Card:Red Card No Koala stamp and certainly not an elephant stamp this time then exclam: :roll::roll::roll: :lol::roll::roll:

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No, I think I'm in the 'Naughty Corner' with a 'Must Try Harder' stamp. :oops::mutley

Come to think of it, I used to get a lot of them at School.........so nothing's really changed. :roll:


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I presume your school was "approved" Perry ................:mutley:mutley



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An amazing build Perry, very effective! Always a great thrill for me to see one of my kits built on this grand scale.



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