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 Posted: Mon Oct 11th, 2010 01:08 pm
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Hello Merv,
Well, obviously, not the crane as they are "10-a-penny" LOL - however, dis-railed locomotives on turn-tables are a very rare sight. I'm originally from Darlington with its Bank-Top and North Road Stations and Green Street Engine sheds. Thanks Very Much for the nostalgia and memory re-call,
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 Posted: Mon Oct 11th, 2010 01:29 pm
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Glad you liked that Michael - as Craven Bros only made three of the 25 ton versions of this crane for the NER, it's more than unlikely any manufacturer would even contemplate it! However I have found an article with drawings of it in the June 1976 MRC mag.
There is also one still in existence at York though not on display - come on NRM what yer playing at!?
So I've either got to find something I can modify or scratch build - something I've never done before - a challenge indeed! :hmm

(photo 'breakdown train @ Brid' removed)

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 Posted: Sat Oct 16th, 2010 07:50 pm
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Some great pictures there Merv.  Are they yours?  They look as if they may have been scanned from a book which would breach copyright if this is the case.  Can you confirm that you took them or own the copyright please?

As others have said, the Prodigy Advance is a great system.  I actually have the original Prodigy and have never bothered to upgrade it.  Alan is not correct when he says that you can only program on the main, you can in fact program on the main and on the programming track.

Gaugemaster will upgrade it for you if you have an older version if you find that you need to upgrade it in due course.

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 Posted: Sun Oct 17th, 2010 09:08 am
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Hi Chris, thanks for the updated info re the Prodigy Advance.

There is a pic from a book (I have left the author's credit at the bottom RH corner) the others are either from Ken Hoole study centre (with permission to copy) or unknown sources. If you think there is a problem with any/or all of these are you suggesting I withdraw then from the site? If there are any other members with similar doubts please let me know and I won't post anymore.

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I think the problem lies with the "permission" Merv.

If you've got permission from the Ken Hoole Study Centre, then that's great although it might be polite to say something like "Photo courtesy of the Ken Hoole Study Site" then they have an acknowledgement.

Those scanned from books, even though they leave the author's credit on the photo, are a different matter.  I suspect the copyright may belong to the book publisher who will have got permission to reprint the photos from the photographer.

It's a simple matter if you've got the book, to drop them an e-mail and ask if you can use their photo here.  Most copyright holders wouldn't withold permission for a site like this which is non-commercial but it's always necessary to ask.

If you have a look at Doug's harbour office build thread, you'll see he got permission from the heirs of John Ahern to use the book illustrations.

It is a always a difficult one to call but a good rule to follow is, if you didn't actually take the original photo (or write the words), then you need to ask the person who did (or the publisher of the book).



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:thumbsLooking forward to this layout of yours Merv, You have done a really nice job on compressing the prototype plan.

Those pictures of steam in the 50,s bring back memories, sitting on the railway embankments enjoying the scenes,always got a friendly wave from the loco crews.

Thanks for sharing.

regards,Derek

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 Posted: Tue Oct 19th, 2010 11:53 am
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OK guys here below are a couple of 'my' photos showing progress to date.

Baseboards are an assortment of 'bargain' 18mm boards sold off at our local Ikea for a few quid supported mainly by Ikea 2" tubular steel legs £2 each inc. fittings. The whole lot cost less than £30 to which I added at one end some braced hardboard I had spare which acts a continuation backdrop. I've also curved the corners of the backdrop at each end and papered it so perhaps I'll have a go at a bit of hand painted scenery? The expensive bit is the 1/8" cork sheet as a topping over the lot!

I have gone for a solid top throughout because the area I am modelling is nearly all flat and there are no bevelled track bed edges.  The next stage will be to add a little extra depth at the southern (LH) end to enable me to create an illusion of depth for the Gypsey Race (small beck or brook) where I will also model a defunct water powered corn mill. I will also need to make the inclines for the two bridges + embankment @ Bessingby Road bridge.


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 Posted: Tue Oct 19th, 2010 03:02 pm
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Hello Merv,

                 The Lay-out is progressing nicely. Looking forward to more, mate,

                                                                 Kind Regards,

                                                            Michael Thornberry.

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 Posted: Tue Oct 19th, 2010 03:55 pm
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Thanks for looking Michael - I've just been viewing your posts re 'Kernow JR' - wow what a fabulous dedicated railway room!
It makes my little 12x5 look like a bit dropped off - still if you say yours will take 50 years to build I should have a chance in say 10?

I believe you said your origins are Darlington area so why did you choose the delightful south to model over a grimy, smoke-filled industrial northern scene?

Regards, Merv

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Hello Merv,
Simples really, mate:-
Memories of fresh-air, better food like Cornish Butter and Ice-cream, Fresh Fish from Newlyn, the Beaches(North and South Coast), the Holiday Carriage at Marazion, the fishing-boat, all-day trips, the Cream-Teas if we managed to evade capture at the Devon Border LOL, the Scillonia Boat Trips to the Scilly Isles, Oh and Pasties, and the sheer coincidence that my Family "made me" go there, on Holiday, every year, from 1946, for 14 years. Oh the pain, the pain, couldn't wait to get-back every year LOL They also ran the Greatest Way Round, the Best(est) of the Big Four IMHO. I hope I left very little out,
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Michael Thornberry.

PS:- The only problem was the language which was certainly NOT English :lol::roll: but I became very good at Sign-Language;-):lol:

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 Posted: Tue Oct 19th, 2010 05:21 pm
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Wot's up bonny lad didn't they feed ya up't north & they dunna speak proppa like we dooz either! - and whats wrong wi Redcar or Saltburn?:mutley

Ah well each to their own - after all we're only reminiscing about our youth, and we all tend remember the best bits!

OK you're maybe the exception as you seem to be living out you're memories - me envious? - you bet!

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Just returning to the question of droppers to the bus. During the building of Devon Junction I didn't manage to put droppers in for every section of flexi-track. Three years later I have had problems with two sections of track which for no reason whatsoever suddenly seem to have lost power. Guess which sections of track they are - dead right, theyre the ones I didn't get round to doing. Having said that it is fairly easy to add them but it may be something you would consider doing at this stage. When I built Kernow Junction, as it was for an exhibition, I actually doubled up and put more than one every metre. I couldn't take the risk of failure in front of critical eyes.

Lovely plan Merv and should be an interesting projevt. Also as one of the old timers around here the photos brings back fond memories, even if it is Yorkshire.:thumbs

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It,s not your fault you were born the wrong side of the Pennines Les.:mutley:mutley:mutley:mutley



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Now then guys - don't let's start the 'War of the Roses' all over again! :mutley

I think you're right Les - better to be safe than sorry - I will plan for droppers on every section & point.

As for the photos - a few of you seem to like them, brings back some memories eh!
Unfortunately as I can't quote the source/original owner of most of my collection. I will have to withdraw them from the site - some may say for political correctness but I respect Bob's position and would not wish to give him/his site a potential legal problem.

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OK guys it's been a while (busy schedule with other hobbies + a bit of snow clearing duties!) so I thought I'd better post an update photo. This shows a start on the scenery, which I thought I'd better do first 'cos you know what can happen - put the track down, play with trains & everything else gets left - us boys eh!!

Bessingby road & bridge just about finished except for adding under-bridge smoke deflectors, road signs & guttering + more weathering. Gypsey Race ('The Beck' i.e. stream) will have another coat or two (varnish) and a much reduced version of the old water mill needs adding - on the flat grey bit near the bottom of the incline to the right. There will of course be a load of tall grass/vegetation, bushes & trees to be added but I'll leave that until the track is down for the south approach + MPD. Once I've aligned the tracks to the southern approach of the station I'll also make Station Road bridge which runs approximately at right angles to Bessingby Road. P.S. if anybody's wondering how I modelled the stream of natural sunlight hitting the water, I just opened the curtains - dead cunning us Yorkshiremen!

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It's many years since I was in Brid but I had no idea there was a water mill on Bessingby Road. :cheers

It looks good so far - hope the tracks all fit.............:hmm



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That's coming on nicely. You have created a lovely scene of tranquility. Look forward to sharing your progress.

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That's lovely work, Merv.  :thumbs



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Peter - if you look at the original plan that I'm basing the layout on (1st pic that I posted) the mill is labeled as a 'works'. It was in fact a flour/corn mill (water powered from the Gypsy Race) but ceased working many years before my 'time period'. It ended up looking like a disused warehouse and I'm having great difficulty finding anything else about it's history. All I could find (at Brid library) was an old 1800's map showing it long before North Eastern days and it's eventual expansion with both bridges. (see map below)

I did a dry run with track/point alignment before starting with this section of scenery. My main concern will be when I get to the station where I may either have to have narrow platforms or possibly eliminate one of the 'bays' or both - but that'll be a long time off yet!
You've probably realised by now that I have given priority to MPD area - just a loco spotter at heart!


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Hate to disappoint you Geoff but that current 'scene of tranquility' won't be so tranquil when there's a grubby old mill in the middle, stacks of trees (though they are quite peaceful until a gale blows!), loads of busy steam locos trundling back & forth, vehicle traffic on the road & not forgetting the young trainspotters hoping for a 'cop'!! Though it might not be too bad I suppose during the week before the weekend rush of day-trippers eh?

Thanks for looking guys - I still haven't found out how they coaled up locos at Brid as there is no evidence of coaling facilities anywhere - perhaps they did it the hard way shoveling from a 'loco coal' wagon? I'll have to have one positioned on a spur maybe.

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