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 Posted: Sat Oct 9th, 2010 01:57 pm
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This is the start of what will probably be a very long term project. As you can see from the subject title I will be attempting to portray a summers day scene at Bridlington with an approximate period of 1956 to 1960 (ish!). Below you will see the area I plan to model based on an Ordance Survey map of this BR period.



With an available space of aproximately 12 x 5 feet, there will have to be great deal of selective compression. The station and goods areas will be be about a half whilst the southern end including the MPD (i.e. between the two bridges) will be about two thirds.

Below is my first sketch of  the proposed layout. (N.B. not to scale)

Since I did this sketch and in line with the degree of compression I mentioned earlier, I have decided to elongate the area between the bridges i.e. station road bridge will be further to the right. The approach tracks under Bessingby road bridge will also be as close the left hand side as possible. This will have the effect of increasing the track radii entering the station and will also ensure I can achieve a 24" radius minimum within the MPD area.

This of course is the theory - it remains to be seen whether I can actually achieve this when laying the track!

Which brings me to my first call for help. My previous experience many decades ago was with OO gauge set-track running DC, with a controller connected direct to the track and all current flow relying on fishplate connectors and a lot of cleaning!.

For this project I plan to use Peco OO gauge code 75 with electrofrog points (not motorised) running DCC. I understand what 'bus wires' are for, the need for insulated connectors at frogs and the concept of DCC so my question : is it essential to have additional droppers from the flexi-track as well as from the points & crossovers and if so where?

In the mean time I've got a lot of work to do on the base boards and backdrops - I'll post pics when I've got that far.
Thanks in advance for any help you can give guys (or gals!).

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 Posted: Sat Oct 9th, 2010 02:15 pm
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You will find opinions vary on how many droppers myself and many others have a dropper for every section of track that way you are not relying on rail joiners in any way yes its more work but you are building in insurance.

Some use a 3ft rule a dropper every 3ft some dont us them at all,

I think a lot depends on where your layout is and where geographically you are, In my layout location and where i am it would be a disaster without them.

With your plan i would suggest downploding some of the peco templates and printing them off that way you can see if your plan will actually work in your space points and crossovers often take up more space than you actually think. i think all of us have been caught out by that one we sketch something then when we actually put the things in place we find the geometry dont work.
I use flexitrack for everything and code 75 is better to use if its a new layout with new rolling stock i know its a bit more hustle wiring the points as they are all electrofrog but if i were starting from scratch i would do 75 as you are.

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Great Project Merv :thumbs

Are you building this is a room fixed or on boards that you can take to a show ?

As for droppers, we have gone down the route of a pair for each section of track, with metal fish-plates on the points leading in and plastic on both the lines leading out, hence then a set of droppers on those lines etc, yes it is a lot of work but well worth it, as it's easy to find the problem if you have one later.

Will you be scratch-building most of the buildings ?

And also which DCC power unit will you be using ?

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I like the plan Merv.

Brings back happy memories of catching the train to Hull for tech 2 nights a week.



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Thanks guys for your comments re the droppers.

Brian - the Peco track templates are a great idea for anybody still at the planning stage. However, impatience got the better of me and I decided to buy a few combinations of points and test them in a 'dry-run' in the critical area i.e. approach to the MPD. Knowing that I will need quite a few for the layout, those that I don't need for this area will get used up somewhere else.

Alan - my layout will be in a fixed location, no exhibitions for me as I'm unlikely to make anything of a high enough standard, besides I'm too old to be carting all that about! A summer's day seaside version of Tetley Mills would be great but for now I'll keep dreaming!

All building structures are likely to be scratch built - that's the penalty for modelling a prototype location.
I've yet to come across a kit for a N.E. three road engine shed or station buildings of a GT Andrew design or indeed any North Eastern brick built designs. Manufacturers tend to go for stone built - because they look prettier!? Lots of card & plastic to get then?

As for a DCC controller - you got to be kidding - I've only just learnt what DCC means!
I understand the concept and I realise I will be having to fit chips to a lot of the 2nd hand eBay stock I've already acquired.
Do you have one in mind you would recommend bearing in mind I'm a solo operator so a lot of slow running i.e. locos moving light and shunting carriage stock/goods.

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Hi Merv

Have a look at the Gaugemaster ( link below ) it will offer everything that you need as a start, but also will enable to do everything as you learn more about DCC, changing CV'S etc, it's very easy to learn and feels good in your hand, you also have a programme track which is separate, and makes life easier.

 

http://www.gaugemaster.com/gmdigital.html

Also look here as they often have s/hand ones, top of the page might be interesting

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m570.l1311&_nkw=gaugemaster+dcc&_sacat=See-All-Categories


Re the layout, looking forward to watching it start and grow :thumbs

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Merv, you could try the NCE Powercab
http://www.bromsgrovemodels.co.uk/pd-670066615.htm?categoryId=100

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Hi Merv

I  use a Gaugemaster Prodogy Advanced² for my layout of 39 locos including a 6 road MPD with a great deal of shunting to coal stage, ash plant and turntable etc.

The Prodigy is a brilliant system!

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Is the station still there Merv ?  You'll need to survey the buildings if you're going to scratch build them.  It's several years now since I was in that part of Brid. and wonder what's still left from the steam days.........:roll:

This is another case of building a prototype setting where the "engineers" have already done all the planning for you - no reams of scrap paper for you.   :thumbs



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Thanks for the info on the DCC controllers guys - anybody have an idea what is a reasonable price to pay for a Gaugemaster prodigy advance version 1 (DCC01) and what if any is the downside to this particular version?

Peter - Brid station is still there albeit less platforms 1 & 2 + bay platform 3, goods yard/coal depot and all the MPD area.

I have a few photos of all these areas + drawing of the loco shed. I also think there are drawings for most of the station buildings at Darlington - no such luck at NRM York or Brid library.

You're right there may not be the volumes of scrap paper with a prototype plan but there are an awful lot of compromises!

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Got mine for a good price from 'Old Blue Eyes' himself (aka Chris Trerise)

Haven't come across any problems whatsoever and Gaugemaster have a superb aftersales service and lifetime guarantee.

Derek

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Thanks for that Derek - it's good to know - I'm following one on eBay perhaps I'll be lucky & get it for a 'steal' quest:

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mervholden wrote: Thanks for the info on the DCC controllers guys - anybody have an idea what is a reasonable price to pay for a Gaugemaster prodigy advance version 1 (DCC01) and what if any is the downside to this particular version?



Merv

The Gaugemaster prodigy advance version 1 (DCC01) is different than the Prodigy,a couple of major difference's, lower Amp's = less power to the track= less locos running at the same time and all programing is done on the main track, you don't have the option of a separate programing track, we have both the Prodigy on Walnut End, and the Advance on New Bourneville.

For the size of your proposed layout I would look at the Prodigy, and not the Advance.

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:hiAlan & Pete - re the Prodigy controller, thanks for your comments though after some inital confusion on my part, I realise I was referring to a comparison of the DCC01 with the DCC02 (Advance squared).

Is the Prodigy the predecssor to the Prodigy Advance 'cos I can't find any mention of it on the net? Having been on the Gaugemaster site, I  see that the only difference seems to be 28 function control on the DCC02 compared to 20 function on the DCC01.

I can't afford the new one so I'll keep an eye on the S/H ebay DCC01 :thumbs

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Look at this link, it is all about the MRC Prodigy ( which we have) after you have read all about it ( the gaugemaster is made by MRC ) look around the web for prices in the states, we saved well over 30% compared to UK prices even with the posting.

http://www.modelrec.com/train-controls/dcc-prodigy.asp

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Thanks for the link guys - now I've seen the MRC site it explains everything

Great stuff, now then how do I get into the wife's account :mutley



(photo 'steamy summer @ Brid' removed)

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That's a great shot Merv and it just shows how busy little Bridlington was in summer - particularly when you remember it's only accessible from 3 sides !!!

Are those B1's at the back ?

I also notice "Elf and Softy" hadn't yet got it's teeth into little boys trainspotting..............Those were the days !!!



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H & S Pete? - Nah just an occasional ticking off from the shed foreman - great days indeed!

If you like that shot you might also like these two  - I've got loads more to justify having quite a varied loco stud and even documented evidence of the very rare appearance of a pacific - now what diverted special can I dream up for that A4?

The Newcastle - Scarborough ran during the summer via Brid/Market Weighton & York - and then of course there is the Scarborough Flyer from King's X which may have been diverted?


(x2 photos of steam @ Brid removed)

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Oh what lovely pics of days gone by, love them. You can almost smell the Loco's.

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great shots Merv, thanks, bring back lots of good memories,

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