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 Posted: Tue Nov 6th, 2007 03:50 pm
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Looking good mike, i have got to have a go now.
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 Posted: Tue Nov 6th, 2007 09:38 pm
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Yes Bob , decorative stone corners would be a good option. I'll give it some thought. Thanks.

This was always destined to be a "how-not-to" :D Did I mention I discovered one glaring error? Make that two. When I cut the end walls from the Plastikard I mindlessly didn't allow for the pitch of the roof! What WAS I thinking? :x :x :oops: I could try to add the required triangular pieces, I guess, and disguise the join in the stone with some decorative stonework. I'm thinking it might be a bit flimsy, although I could reinforce with lots of 1mm styrene. Or I could make two more end walls, which is probably the smarter move. For anyone who's been following this, bearing in mind the haphazard way it's been going, which option do you think I might try? :lol: :lol: Ya gotta laugh


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 Posted: Tue Nov 6th, 2007 09:55 pm
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Mike

Not quite the end of the world as you could have sloping ends to the roof, making 4 faces - take a look at the Dapol booking hall thread as an example or, as with many island platform buildings, you could have a roof which incorporates the platform canopy.

Best of luck though.

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 Posted: Tue Nov 6th, 2007 09:56 pm
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One way of adding the triangular piece would be to use a plain piece of styrene cut to shape, cover it with embossed brick and then back it with another piece that overlaps on the inside of the side wall.
This would be an ideal solution if you made the triangular piece of a different material (wooden planking or rendering for example).
If you want stone all the way up to the eaves, I would take the option of forming a new side wall entirely.

"How not to" you may think, but on the positive side you have learned something that you will never forget again.
Perry's right, planning is 50% of the sucess.

On a positive note, I must compliment you on the neat job you made of cutting out the windows and doors, we'll make an "Ace scratchbuilder" of you yet :!: :!: :!:

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 Posted: Tue Nov 6th, 2007 10:11 pm
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Thanks for the great suggestions and encouragement!

I really would like stonework all the way up, because I've found some old photos of Hythe [Hants] Fawley and Marchwood which had fairly austere looking buildings, although they were covered with pebbledash. They had straight ends, and I really like that spartan look. I think it has great atmosphere.
I might try to insert a band of different stone, just to indicate the ceiling level. I'll see how it goes. Failing that, I guess I'll bite the bullet and make two more. I really don't fancy having to do that.

Thanks again for the ideas.

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 Posted: Wed Nov 7th, 2007 12:37 am
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"...you have learned something that you will never forget again. " Said Jeff. Don't bank on it :lol: :lol:

Stubbornly, I took the option of splicing in a band of decorative stone, cut from a slightly different plastikard pattern. Two courses of it = 3mm in height, and I felt a band higher than that would look odd. NOW he worries about his building looking odd, I hear you say :D :D So I scored away 1.5mm of the original stonework from the top of each end wall, leaving the 1mm thick backing-styrene intact, and glued in the 3mm decorative strip. 1.5 mm overhangs, and that's where the heavier styrene joins in again, cut in a triangular shape from 1.5mm upwards. All I need to do is cover it with the original stone pattern. [ I hope]
It's been a lot of fun doing all this. Frustrating at times, but enjoyable nonetheless. I don't expect excellent results, but already this thing is looking better than the balsa buildings I made years ago.
After all the adjustments I'll be stunned if the roof goes even close to fitting, and I still have a chimney and all those windows to make. I'll need to be in good painting form when the time comes :lol:
What a great forum this is. Activities of others on this forum push me all the time, and provide fresh ideas. As a 'hacker' of a scratchbuilder, I wouldn't feel comfortable posting this effort on any other forum. I do hope others are encouraged to give it a go. There's no doubt you could do better than me. And as Bob[K] pointed out, it's not the end of the world when things go wrong. I'm extremely grateful to all who have commented and made suggestions. I have a strange feeling I'm going to need you again yet.....


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 Posted: Wed Nov 7th, 2007 08:26 am
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mikec, you have expressed my sentiments exactly,
this forum does that to you thats why i like it so much.
and i think im right when i say mr Heath had all this in
mind when he set the wheels in motion. :wink: :D :D :D :D 8)

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The end walls wound up looking like this.


I spent a long time making door- and window frames. I started them off by glueing styrene pieces to the inside walls around the openings. Fine window dividers were made from Evergreen styrene strip - 0.56mm square. Wall vents were made with 1.09mm strip.

The building has been painted with acrylics and rubbed with pastels.

This is the front view:


Panelled doors were constructed from two pieces of styrene sandwiched together after the cutouts were made.


A view of the rear wall:


I've added interior walls, benches, a ticket window and various additions have been painted in.

Next step, after some tidying up will be the ceiling and roof.

Mike

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Mike, I don't think you need to be unduly concerned about the standard of your scratchbuilding, because I think you have achieved a very acceptable result. If this really is your first serious attempt, it's a lot better than my first was :!:

Now to one queery / concern. You have a 4-window opening on the Right of your last picture posted and a simular one on the picture before. These didn't seem quite right to me and for a while I couldn't put my finger on it.
Then I realised that it was the middle dividing line of bricks that jarred. In reality I'm wondering if they would ever exist, or would they be replaced by a lintel :?: Can't see how they would hold up without a window frame holding them, something that would never happen in real life.

Sorry if you think I'm being picky, but I'm trying to be helpful and it's easy to fix if you agree with me.

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 Posted: Fri Nov 9th, 2007 12:22 pm
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Thanks Jeff, no I don't think you're being picky. After all, the pics are here for comment. It's a good point you make, and I must admit it does look flimsy. There is a thin frame in there, but as you suggest a lintel would be much better, and that's what I'll do! Thanks to you for pointing it out. :D

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There you go Mike, an excellent result. The next one will be really straight forward :) I like the colour of your stone work, which looks just like the grimey stone found on railways. Will you be giving more details as to how you achieved this effect, I for one would be interested?

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 Posted: Fri Nov 9th, 2007 12:51 pm
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You're not the only one Bob. If a how-to is forthcoming I'd like to see a piece of the chosen material in it's 'as bought state' so that we get a better idea of just how great the transformation is.



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like Bob i too would like that, i think you have done a
really good one mikec, that finish is excellent. :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: 8)

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I third that and you have done a tremendous job.
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Well done, Mike.

If that's a first attempt then I must say I am very impressed. It is surely up there with the good stuff. :D

The finish on the stonework and the slatted window openings look really good. I would be very grateful if you could tell us how you did it. As you know there are many different ways of getting the results one wants and it is impossible to learn too many techniques.

Let's hope this is the first of many projects from you. :wink:

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Thanks for responding positively to my comments Mike. Sometimes I worry if things will be taken in the right spirit when I'm making comments :!:

The point that all the others have made about the finish and the slatted windows is well made though and there really must be a step-by-step "how to" following (at your convienience).

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at your convienience, so thats where he makes them? mmm
not sure i want to know how he got the colour now.
:oops: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)

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Very good for a first attempt like the colours on the brickwork .



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Thankyou all for the kind comments.

I'll be glad to put together a little group of photos concerning the colouring of the stone. Not sure when I'll be able to do so, but hopefully it won't be too long in coming. I just have to recall what I did :)

The slattted wall vents are just thin styrene strips glued across the opening. The inner layer of styrene was not cut out so they rest against it. Once the glue had set I poured black paint onto them, and wiped it here and there.

Various items have been added to the interior, including a fireplace, as well as a card ceiling and grain of wheat light bulb, whose wires run up through the floor of the restrooms and can't be seen. The chimney through the roof is causing problems :D The roof is being made from stiffish card and will have slates made from paper. I'm not relishing that job.

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It's the apparent bits of morter of different depths and in some cases it seems to be missing altogether. Does the sheet of brickwork come like this or is it something you have done. This picture shows what I mean.




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