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 Posted: Sun Mar 7th, 2010 06:34 pm
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Having finished the installation of my wall hung baseboard framework, below, I decided on a sector plate to operate my fiddle yard in preference to the turntable I made in another thread.








It is made from reclaimed 1/2" plywood from the demolished village hall, as is the base board frame, hence the emulsion paint on one side.






The darker shade surface is French polished [only to seal the grain] before being sanded smooth, and a little talc applied to make a slidey surface. Each track is esigned to take 3 carriages or 9 wagons and the small sector plate has an 11" table.




Accurate repeatable indexing of the larger table is achieved by drilling and countersinking a piece of perspex at 2 3/16" centres and screwing it to the table edge.

The face of the perspex bears against a cabinet ball catch.




 Once the five positive stations have been achieved, the track is laid up, starting  by running a continuous down the centre track, cutting both ends with a thin disc cutter then spacing subsequent tracks at 2 1/8" separation using a parallel batten.  The curve ends are lead into the entry/exit points with a length of batten planed to fit accurately between the rails of the Code 75 track.  The track is secured using Peco track pins, nailed through the sleepers for about 3/8", nipped off with side cutters and then hammered the final fraction.

The exit extension is screwed and dowelled in position, but not glued, lest it should become necessary to re-adjust it, or to replace the ball catch. The cross member supporting the pivot point is fixed in the same fashion.

All work was done with a 'domestic/hobby' type jigsaw. I have avoided giving dimensions as each persons situation will be different, save to say that the overall size is 4ft x 2ft.




Operated by hand, the movement is smooth and light, no 'fiddling' is needed.




I hope this gives someone an idea for their own layout,

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Beautiful work as always, Doug. Ingenious design too :thumbs

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Now that is ...is.... I am lost for words. :thumbs

A fiddle yard & storage ( dead end &/or through running). Have a small one each end, a large saving in points & associated costs.
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Doug how is electrical contact made between the tracks on the big bit and the track on the little bit with the loco on it?

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MikeC wrote: Doug how is electrical contact made between the tracks on the big bit and the track on the little bit with the loco on it?

Mike

And me being a so-called "sparky",  forgot all about that - yes, come clean, Doofer - how is the magic done?

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Sorry, Sol!

Not even a whiff of smoke or a flash of mirrors, no magic, as you'll see below...........

I thought about sliding contacts, live pivots, jack plugs etc but as it's non scenic have gone for the 'KISS' method.

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Ahhh, I see, perfect for DCC then. Nuff said.

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 Thanks Doug.  I think I understand that - all five tracks are always 'live' and the single track has its own separate feed....?

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MikeC wrote:  Thanks Doug.  I think I understand that - all five tracks are always 'live' and the single track has its own separate feed....?

Mike


No, but, er yes, I think so, I'm almost definitely sure, maybe....As it will be my first try at DCC, I'm 'winging' this, but they will all be powered up from a common bus bar under the top.  I'm waiting on Ian's DCC book to be available again, so in the interim all 'sections' are to be wired to terminal blocks, etc. until I know what I'm doing, after all, DCC is only two wires.....

Also, I've just realised that I could have an additional short track spliced to the side of the big plate via a turnout just to keep a rail-car on......Hhhhmm.


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This sector plate is a work of art ! Recently someone on CRM has asked about sector plates, and this is the best I have seen for some time ! Would you have any objections If I shared one of your pictures on there, of course referenced and credited to you. I would just put a link to here from there but non YMR members wouldnt be able to see it.


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John - Would you have any objections If I shared one of your pictures on there....

Not at all, John, this is after all a 'hobby', it's a shared thing.

I did this to avoid having a traverser to put locos onto different tracks because believe me, they are a PITA, but probably easier now with DCC.

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Now thats a clever idea mate, always knew you was clever, unlike what the others said :mutley

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That's brilliant Doug :thumbs:thumbs  For me, it answers many, many problems as I try to build my layout in modules.  I can run - sorry, test trains as I go along - all I have to do is make sure I've got an "interface" between the main layout and the sector plate. :pathead

Can you elaborate on this "KISS" method :roll::roll: - I've never heard of it.

Also, I presume the ball catches are only just in contact otherwise the jolt as they lock in might derail some of the stock. :hmm

It's a masterpiece and I can see many DSP's (Dooferdog Sector Plates) appearing all over the world.

Did the village hall make it to the dechetterie or did you beat them to it ? :cheers:cheers



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KISS "Keep It Simple Stupid !"

Thanks doug I have shared a couple of your pictures..

http://crmforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=help&thread=2312&page=1

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Petermac wrote: A - Also, I presume the ball catches are only just in contact otherwise the jolt as they lock in might derail some of the stock.

B - Did the village hall make it to the dechetterie or did you beat them to it ?


Hi, Peter,

A - The ball catch is in quite firm contact with the countersunk holes on the perspex strip, the inertia of the large piece of ply stops any jerky movement. Being a cone shaped indent rather than a square sided hole sort of 'eases' it in and out.

B - I beat them to it! [The workmen were using the Bar Marche and two pressions secured the deal......livraison inclus!]

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Lucky you !!!

Thanks for the info regarding trhe ball catches.  I'll certainly be filing that one under "important". :cheers:cheers



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... and BINGO!

I suspect I can use the same ball catch method to "latch" in my cassettes on Newcastle Emlyn. It's just what I've been looking for.

With the ball on the layout frame and the perspex (or brass for connectivity.. hmmm) on the cassettes they will be nice and tidy and easier to store.

Thanks Doof, your woodworking skills and ingenuity never cease to amaze me.



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What a brillaint idea for a fiddle yard, most ingenious. It's filed away for possible future use ;-)

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Petermac wrote: It's a masterpiece and I can see many DSP's (Dooferdog Sector Plates) appearing all over the world.


Peter - You may see one at Carn Brea in September because this looks like the answer to my problem. Sadly I dont have Doug's woodworking skills but I've printed it out now so that I can sit and study it whilst SWMBO watches the soaps.

Very many thanks to Doug.

Now where is the nearest village hall.:hmm

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Thank you for your appreciation, Les, did I mention that the smaller loco sector plate length is designed to take the combination of the longest locomotive PLUS a break van so that you can put it at the right end of each train....?

You simply tug in the train, uncouple the van and leave it off the sector plate and pull the rest of the train onto the big plate. Then uncouple the locomotive, nip back to the other end of the big plate, couple the van then back to the small sector plate and push it onto the end of the next goods train, uncouple, run round to the front and pull out the train.

I haven't got the answer to a GWR van travelling veranda first though, I wonder if they ever did that, does anyone know?

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Les, I thought you were going to say "You can sit and study it while SWMBO does the carpentry" !!!:roll:



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    I have at least one prototype picture somewhere of a GWR toad travelling verandah-first,so.....yes you CAN do it,even though usually the verandah is to the rear of the train.
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dooferdog wrote: ....

I haven't got the answer to a GWR van travelling veranda first though, I wonder if they ever did that, does anyone know?

Doug

I have a photo of onbe departing Ashburton 1949 with the verandah at the end so it has to come into the station with the verandah facing the train & there was no turntable.

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John and Sol,

Thank you both for that, now I won't have to shut my eyes for 50% of the operation..:thumbs

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Hi Doug.    Excellent idea.  but you got me scratching my head, and asking myself “ How can I make a semi permanent connection “ to add your idea to extend my “ Mobie Shunting Puzzle. plank “ I have fitted the “ female halves of the pattern makers dowels “ , in readiness to add a temporary Sector Plate when I am not Shunting ?Come to think of it I could have one at each end? Best wishes. Kevin :hmm



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Really neat Doug - good storage is the key to all good layouts I believe.  I once made a double traverser (as you mention) and it really was a PITA to line up.  It worked but I could have finished Pendon in the time it took to make it work well!!!

Thanks for sharing this.  I can see this fiddle yard becoming part of our folklore like the efforts of Maurice Deane and Peter Denny.

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Hi Doug,
Just came across this, I shall use the principles for a small (and I do mean small) Inglenook plank with fiddle yard. Neat idea.

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This clever sector plate still resides in south west France - at my house to be precise.

It will be used to great advantage in a plank I'm planning - to keep my spirits up until I can locate a permanent home for Maxmill 2.



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Cor!!!

Eight years form post to post on a thread! Must be a record.............

Progress slow/non-existant at this end, but re-vamped bathroom done, three laurel bushes with 6" trunks dug out and a 30 ft sycamore cut down, chopped up and all taken to the tip.

S.D.R. training going ahead, beer-ex on the 26th [not drinking] but 22 movements throughthe crossing gates forecast...aaagh!

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Petermac wrote: This clever sector plate still resides in south west France - at my house to be precise.
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It will be used to great advantage in a plank I'm planning - to keep my spirits up until I can locate a permanent home for Maxmill 2.


:off topic......my apologies.......but that is excellent news Peter......I do hope you will shortly start a thread about Maxplank

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Thanks John.

More of a "puzzle" than a proper plank.

New thread will start very soon.

Sorry Doug - back to you ............... :cheers :cheers



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Hi Doug.   As much as I like your Sector Plate, alas it will be too wide for my four foot by fourteen inch Shunting Puzzle . I have been trying to “pare it down” to fit, the only solution I can see is to either only have two roads, or have a regular fiddle yard, and bite the bullet, even with points. Best wishes. Kevin



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Kevin, have just three tracks. A central entry/escape track and one each side of it. Allow 2 1/2" inches between each to allow for the inevitable 'fingers from the sky', curve the outer two inwards at the throat and at the 'loco' end and long enough to do 'x' number of wagons, the little plate at the end long enough for the loco alone. Still not working?

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Hi Doug Thank you for your reply. I will give it a go, and report back.  Best wishes. Kevin



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Hi Doug. The Southern couldn’t work out that one either, so they built the Queen Mary Brakevan , an each way bet.I don’t know what went  wrong with the “Road Van “ though.  Best wishes. Kevin



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Hi Doug.  I am back again? And I don’t want to sound repetitive , really , I have been studying your “ self explanatory “ photos, and I think that the penny has dropped ? Following your advice to a “potential exhibitor “. I am not a carpenter and I don’t have a jig saw. This revelation , you cut out the triangular ish shape, but does it then swing from “Number one road fight through to Number five road” ? Using the same Pivot as the smaller single road?
It looks like you have cut it out, and then reduce the width to allow for movement ?   Best wishes Kevin 



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Yup, Kev,
That's it, one pivot point for both the big swinging table and the little table. You don't need a jigsaw, careful work with
any saw and a file/surform will give you the curved end that changes the track you go in/out on.

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Hi Doug , and all interested parties. Not knowing where there is a “Village Hall “ being knocked down in Peckham, and even if I did ? I haven’t got any transport , I set about building my “ version “ of Doug ‘s idea, off to the local Timber Merchant , and a right merchant he was I asked for 6m ply, nothing like the 1/2 inch ply admittedly, okay said he and off he went and cut it , I paid for it and went home ( but for three bits of ply I thought £6.70 was a bit steep) and the Ply? looks like an Ice Cream Wafer with a soft bit in the middle. It will need more than bracing?
Nothing like ply used to be.   Best wishes. Kevin



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Hi Kevin,

That sounds like surface finish ply, not construction ply. It should have 5-7 layers if it's Baltic.

You can get small sheets of Baltic birch ply (various thicknesses) from many suppliers in the UK for about what you paid, getting it cut to size would probably be up to you.


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Hi Nigel.  Thank you.  I have been using that company on and off for about 50 years. And I have never asked for plywood other than by the dimension.  Maybe it is time for a change , or  I should use another supplier ?  Or be more specific on my requirements.   And ask for   “ Baltic ofBirch Ply “? Best wishes. Kevin



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